(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/23/2004 1:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"JJ" wrote

| In the past I certainly ran lots of phone patches for U.S Naval
personel
| aboard U.S Naval ships to family here in the states. Still even have
the
| logs I kept of each patch.

Sorry JJ,

MARS is not amateur radio.

Even if it were, phone patches home to Mom are great morale boosters,
but they not "emergency planning".


Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio".

Sorry Steve, but MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

I don't believe that Ray Collins is an amateur.

Prerequisite #1 for ALL branches is licensure in the Amatuer Radio
Service.

There's never been an exception?

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Correct. And you have your FACTS wrong.

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide Coordinator for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

Looks like the military wasted a lot of training on you if you cannot
get even the most basic FACT right.

Now just accept it so that Carl doesn't have to come on here spank you
again.

William wrote:

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/


Mars certainly consists of Radio amateurs, and according to

http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/join.htm

you need to be an amateur.

And since you can ba an amateur without being in MARS, yet cannot be in
MARS without being an Amateur..........

Her is something from from

http://www.ieway.com/~billw/wamars.htm

which seems to contradict that the MARS people aren't involved in
emergency work.

Quote start:


In times of emergencies, whether local, regional, or national, you will
find MARS radio operators handling logistics and emergency
communications. A part of our membership is equipped to "go portable"
with radio and computer equipment to help with health and welfare radio
traffic handling. During the recent flooding, members assisted local
authorities relaying messages from families to their relatives and
friends in regards to their situations. After the earthquakes in
California, members also handled messages from the earthquake victims to
others outside the area. All phone systems were disabled or overloaded
and the only efficient means of communication was by radio. Members of
the MARS program were there to lend a hand.

NNN0ZSJ / NNN0GCC Five

Quote end.


So what is it guys. Is this person "innacurate?


While MARS "isn't involved in emergency work", we might read

http://www.marsgateway.net/docs/AR25-6.pdf

and sneak a peek at Chapter 1 paragraph 6, sentence a.

Let me know what it says. ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
William wrote:

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."


http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/


Mars certainly consists of Radio amateurs, and according to

http://www.asc.army.mil/mars/join.htm

you need to be an amateur.

And since you can ba an amateur without being in MARS, yet cannot be in
MARS without being an Amateur..........

Her is something from from

http://www.ieway.com/~billw/wamars.htm

which seems to contradict that the MARS people aren't involved in
emergency work.

Quote start:


In times of emergencies, whether local, regional, or national, you will
find MARS radio operators handling logistics and emergency
communications. A part of our membership is equipped to "go portable"
with radio and computer equipment to help with health and welfare radio
traffic handling. During the recent flooding, members assisted local
authorities relaying messages from families to their relatives and
friends in regards to their situations. After the earthquakes in
California, members also handled messages from the earthquake victims to
others outside the area. All phone systems were disabled or overloaded
and the only efficient means of communication was by radio. Members of
the MARS program were there to lend a hand.

NNN0ZSJ / NNN0GCC Five

Quote end.


So what is it guys. Is this person "innacurate?


While MARS "isn't involved in emergency work", we might read

http://www.marsgateway.net/docs/AR25-6.pdf

and sneak a peek at Chapter 1 paragraph 6, sentence a.

Let me know what it says. ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -


There you go again Mike, upsetting the apple cart with facts. It seems
that some just can't except the fact that amateur radio and the military
have a close relationship and the military does accept amateur radio as
a valuable service when needed, but not cell phones.

JJ wrote in message ...

There you go again Mike, upsetting the apple cart with facts. It seems
that some just can't except the fact that amateur radio and the military
have a close relationship and the military does accept amateur radio as
a valuable service when needed, but not cell phones.

What Mike posted is generally correct.

And nearly anyone who'se anybody in the service has a cell phone on
their hip paid for by you and me. I'd say that the military does
accept cellular telephones as a valuable service daily.

Meanwhile you can call me by name and Mike by name, but we don't know
what to call you.

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/24/2004 11:25 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/23/2004 1:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio".

Sorry Steve, but MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to
oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

I don't believe that Ray Collins is an amateur.

Who cares?

Prerequisite #1 for ALL branches is licensure in the Amatuer Radio
Service.

There's never been an exception?

Enough to completely ignore the fact that 99% of all MARS personnel are
licensed Amateurs? I hardly thionk so.

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Correct. And you have your FACTS wrong.

Which ones, Brian?

YOUR experience in AMRS, please?

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide Coordinator
for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

Looks like the military wasted a lot of training on you if you cannot
get even the most basic FACT right.

Now just accept it so that Carl doesn't have to come on here spank you
again.

Hardly, Brian.

So...You going to Dayton?

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 4/24/2004 5:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

YOUR experience in AMRS, please?

My bust.

MARS. But I could ALSO ask what experience you have IN AMRS since it was
an Air Force program related to Amateur Radio.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/24/2004 11:25 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/23/2004 1:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio".

Sorry Steve, but MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to
oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

I don't believe that Ray Collins is an amateur.

Who cares?

You do. You just said that, "With the exception of a very few Active
Duty personnel assigned to oversee the program, every single person in
all three branches of MARS are licensed Amateur Radio Operators."

Ray is neither Active Duty nor an Amateur Radio Operator. He is
merely the Chief of Air Force MARS.

Prerequisite #1 for ALL branches is licensure in the Amatuer Radio
Service.

There's never been an exception?

Enough to completely ignore the fact that 99% of all MARS personnel are
licensed Amateurs? I hardly thionk so.

Now you're saying that 1% of all MARS personnel are not amateurs?

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Correct. And you have your FACTS wrong.

Which ones, Brian?

For starters, this one: "Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio"."

YOUR experience in AMRS, please?

I've never been in AMRS, or even in AMWAY.

I have been in AF MARS at two assignements; base support team at
Andersen AB in 1990-91, and Scott AFB 1993 - 1999. I did sign up for
Army Mars when I arrived in Korea in 1988, but didn't become active
with it.

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide Coordinator
for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

Looks like the military wasted a lot of training on you if you cannot
get even the most basic FACT right.

Now just accept it so that Carl doesn't have to come on here spank you
again.

Hardly, Brian.

So...You going to Dayton?

I have a scouting campout the weekend of the Hamvention.

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/24/2004 10:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to
oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are
licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

I don't believe that Ray Collins is an amateur.

Who cares?

You do. You just said that, "With the exception of a very few Active
Duty personnel assigned to oversee the program, every single person in
all three branches of MARS are licensed Amateur Radio Operators."

Ray is neither Active Duty nor an Amateur Radio Operator. He is
merely the Chief of Air Force MARS.

Then you're one up, after...what...three years of getting your tail caught
under the rockers?

Enough to completely ignore the fact that 99% of all MARS personnel
are
licensed Amateurs? I hardly think so.

Now you're saying that 1% of all MARS personnel are not amateurs?

Do you NEED a specific number, Brian? I am sure we can come up with one,
and I am sure that no matter what, it will STILL be under 10% regardless...

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Correct. And you have your FACTS wrong.

Which ones, Brian?

For starters, this one: "Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio"."

And without Amateur Radio MARS is...what...?!?!

YOUR experience in AMRS, please?

I've never been in AMRS, or even in AMWAY.

Too bad. It was a lot of fun.

I have been in AF MARS at two assignements; base support team at
Andersen AB in 1990-91, and Scott AFB 1993 - 1999. I did sign up for
Army Mars when I arrived in Korea in 1988, but didn't become active
with it.

OK...that takes you up to five years ago. Thanks.

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide
Coordinator
for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

Looks like the military wasted a lot of training on you if you cannot
get even the most basic FACT right.

Now just accept it so that Carl doesn't have to come on here spank you
again.

Hardly, Brian.

So...You going to Dayton?

I have a scouting campout the weekend of the Hamvention.

I am sure you do.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/24/2004 10:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

With the exception of a very few Active Duty personnel assigned to
oversee
the program, every single person in all three branches of MARS are
licensed
Amateur Radio Operators.

I don't believe that Ray Collins is an amateur.

Who cares?

You do. You just said that, "With the exception of a very few Active
Duty personnel assigned to oversee the program, every single person in
all three branches of MARS are licensed Amateur Radio Operators."

Ray is neither Active Duty nor an Amateur Radio Operator. He is
merely the Chief of Air Force MARS.

Then you're one up, after...what...three years of getting your tail caught
under the rockers?

There you go viewing my posts with a jaundiced eye. You've been wrong
more than you've been right. But in either case, you're almost always
extreme.

Enough to completely ignore the fact that 99% of all MARS personnel
are
licensed Amateurs? I hardly think so.

Now you're saying that 1% of all MARS personnel are not amateurs?

Do you NEED a specific number, Brian? I am sure we can come up with one,
and I am sure that no matter what, it will STILL be under 10% regardless...

Great!

First you've gone from none to 1%. Now you're saying that between 1%
and 10% of all MARS personnel are not amateurs?

Do I hear between 10% and 25%?

Going once, going twice...

Can you say, "moving target?"

ex NNN0GCM (Area Coordinator, Navy/Marine Corps MARS, Guam/Mariana
Islands)

Congratulations. None of it changes the facts about MARS, however.

Correct. And you have your FACTS wrong.

Which ones, Brian?

For starters, this one: "Sorry Hans, MARS IS "Amateur Radio"."

And without Amateur Radio MARS is...what...?!?!

Aha! Another slippery fella who needs to have "IS" defined.

YOUR experience in AMRS, please?

I've never been in AMRS, or even in AMWAY.

Too bad. It was a lot of fun.

I have been in AF MARS at two assignements; base support team at
Andersen AB in 1990-91, and Scott AFB 1993 - 1999. I did sign up for
Army Mars when I arrived in Korea in 1988, but didn't become active
with it.

OK...that takes you up to five years ago. Thanks.

MARS is NOT "Amateur Radio."

Formerly NNN0VVU (CHOP, NNN0MOC/MOF, Assistant Islandwide
Coordinator
for
Okinawa, 1981), AFA1OQ, AAT4SA.

So there....Nyah.....

Steve, K4YZ

Looks like the military wasted a lot of training on you if you cannot
get even the most basic FACT right.

Now just accept it so that Carl doesn't have to come on here spank you
again.

Hardly, Brian.

So...You going to Dayton?

I have a scouting campout the weekend of the Hamvention.

I am sure you do.

Just stay away from me wherever I happen to be.

Subject: Cell phone woes
From: (William)
Date: 4/26/2004 5:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Then you're one up, after...what...three years of getting your tail
caught
under the rockers?

There you go viewing my posts with a jaundiced eye. You've been wrong
more than you've been right. But in either case, you're almost always
extreme.

It doesn't take a jaundiced eye to see that you have a poor grasp on a
great many things, Brian.

Do you NEED a specific number, Brian? I am sure we can come up with
one,
and I am sure that no matter what, it will STILL be under 10% regardless...

Great!

First you've gone from none to 1%. Now you're saying that between 1%
and 10% of all MARS personnel are not amateurs?

Do I hear between 10% and 25%?

Going once, going twice...

Can you say, "moving target?"

I can say that even if it WAS 25%, it would still mean that AMATEUR RADIO
was responsible for the other 75%, and that if they decided to stop being in
MARS all at once, there'd be no MARS.

Besides, Brian, you forget where I received my Marksmanship Training. A
"moving target" is a no brainer. Sorry that you are having such difficulty.

And without Amateur Radio MARS is...what...?!?!

Aha! Another slippery fella who needs to have "IS" defined.

That "slippery fella" would be you, Brian. It seems you have very little
real awareness of what the program is about.

I have a scouting campout the weekend of the Hamvention.

I am sure you do.

Just stay away from me wherever I happen to be.

No problem, Brian.

You have said that people should do one thing well.

It appears yours is shrinking from the truth and hiding behind middle
school boys.

Steve, K4YZ