In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

We don't know that the logbook exists.

I think it does.

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning
government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say
on 2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us
to
use the radio sets.

This ain't Don Miller time,

Maybe it is. Ol' Don *was* on the air using various exotic callsigns.

Sometimes he actually was where he said he was, too.

the topic is the imaginary T5/N0mind.
There are no "suppositions" about his case.

Sure there are.

There *was* a radio
licensing authority in Somalia throughout that operation and there
*was* a long-standing clearly prescribed procedure other members of
the U.S. military followed in order to obtain perission to operate a
ham station in Somalia when he was there. The procedure is a matter of
long-standing gummint policy which existed long before Brainiac landed
in Somalia and all the legit YIs who are popping up today are
following the same policy requirements.

I'm not saying the above supposes would result in a legitimate operation. I'm
just saying that it could be done, and if the operation were confined to a
couple of local VHF/UHF QSOs the people involved might not get in any trouble.

Quite some time ago I posted a copy here of a detailed e-mail written
by another member of the U.S. military who was also in Somalia during
that military expedition, followed the procedure and got official
hard-copy permission to go on the air. He went on to work scads of
stations, kept his logs and passed out piles of ARRL-acceptable cards
for a new one.

IOW, the person you quoted did a legit operation.

Brainiac did none of the preceding = **bogus**.

Brainiac's excuse at the time was something like "well, he was later
than I was".

Yeah, right . .

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

I'm simply saying what *could* be done. I'm not saying it would be legit, or
that anyone other than those directly involved would know anyhting about it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

I'm simply saying what *could* be done. I'm not saying it would be legit,
or
that anyone other than those directly involved would know anyhting about
it.

It's not a "could be", it's already out there all over the world all
over the RF spectrum. We call it "freebanding". Which, is exactly what
Burke was doing if he actually did get on the air from T5 without the
paperwork.

Of course.

The last thing I'd do is keep logs and send cards if I went
freebanding.

That's you. Others might not be so concerned. And if the "logbook" consists of
a few local QSOs and the cards delivered in person, all of the above would
still be true, wouldn't they?

Heck, I could jam the door interlock on a microwave oven, bring it out in the
back yard and point it at the sky, power it up and proceed to call CQ by
opening and closing the door. Then I could claim I was "operating high power
UHF" and it would be true, wouldn't it?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/6/2004 11:58 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

That's one reason. Lacking any proof to the contrary, I'm not going to call
someone a liar.

Then you're a bit more liberal than I am, I guess! =)

I figure after two years of being asked yet proactively dodging the ante
earns Brain the title.

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

Well, there you have it. It could have happened, and all of the above-named
conditions would have been met.

And I have yet to meet anyone who WAS "there" that didn't have SOME
memento of the occassion. I know three guys who were /KC4 who at least had
pics taken at the McMurdo and Little America signs outside the outpost's
complex.

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant
what authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

Of course. I didn't say such operation would be 100% in agreement with
international requirements, just that it could happen.

Sure it could...and J.Lo might leave her NEW husband and show up on my
doorstep begging for me to pleasure her...

I ain't holding my breath. However if she DOES show up, you can be darned
sure I will have SOME sort of proof before making outlandish claims!

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices,
and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he
CLAIMED to do.

Maybe. But that has no bearing on whether the alleged /T5 operation took
place,
whether logbooks existed, and whether QSLs were exchanged.

It has all the bearing in the world, Jim.

How can you say that a lack of proper authorization to operate DOESN'T
ahve bearing on the operation...?!?! There's not a single Amateur Radio award
by any organization that I am aware of that is not predicated on the legitimacy
of the operating credentials of the claimant.

He can "operate" all he wants to and exchange a ton of QSL cards, but no
license (or authorization or permit or certificate...what ever you want to call
it...) and all that operation is worthless.

Remember that all it would take to meet all of these conditions would be one
QSO in a ham band using stateside calls and portable designation.

As long as the legal criteria was met.

In Brain's case, it appears as though it wasn't. He was not in
Antarctica...he was allegedly in Somalia.

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

Of course not. Same goes for bands/modes/antennas/rigs used. But the lack of
detail doesn't mean the alleged operation didn't happen.

Please tell me you're just playing "Devil's Advocate", Jim...!

The lack of detail is a different issue completely.

You've GOT to be kidding me.

I can tell you in INTIMATE detail the sation I had set up in my barracks
on Oki in 81...Equipment, antennas, I even still have the log. Although I
don't have my copy of the AMRS authorization, I can give specifics about
who/what/where, callsign, and even have a couple of QSL cards from folks I
worked...

He can't even TELL us ONE callsign of anyone he worked...?!?!

No proof = Didn't happen.

Not at all.

No proof = Reasonable doubt.

No proof on short notice = reasonable doubt.

No proof after two years = didn't happen.

Nothing more or less.

His "nothing more" can't be much less than what it's been, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Brian Kelly)
Date: 6/6/2004 8:42 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

I'm simply saying what *could* be done. I'm not saying it would be legit,
or
that anyone other than those directly involved would know anyhting about
it.

It's not a "could be", it's already out there all over the world all
over the RF spectrum. We call it "freebanding". Which, is exactly what
Burke was doing if he actually did get on the air from T5 without the
paperwork.

The last thing I'd do is keep logs and send cards if I went
freebanding.

Exactly.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/6/2004 1:01 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location, yet you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

Where are nursie's logs from Okinawa?

No proof = Nothing happened.

Unlike Brain, I can refer you to 15th Air Force Auxiliary Military Radio
Service station callsign KA6CM, issued from Yakota, Japan, in August of 1981.

Where are nursie's other claims?

No proof = Nothing happened.

You were provided adequate information to inquire directly of the
Veteran's Administration, Lennie.

Since you didn't do it, your assertions of "no proof" are your own
undoing, Putzster.

If the archives of the federal government aren't good enough for you,
Scumboy, I don't know what else I can do.

Steve, K4YZ

"N2EY" wrote in message
...

No proof = Reasonable doubt.

Nothing more or less.

You just don't get it, do you Jim. On rrap you must either agree with
K4CAP/K4YZ and accede to every whimsical demand of his, or you are a
low-life lying scum sucking weasel. Reasonable doubt is not an option.

K4CAP/K4YZ ** IS ** amateur radio.

73,

Avery