Call Area Etiquette
 

I used to be active on the air about 12 years ago. I will be moving out of
my assigned call area. I'd like to get back on the air when I move.

What is the accepted practice relative to identifying the call area when
one has moved permanently, given that the FCC does not assign a new call
when one moves out of their area?

For example, if I was visiting W4 area from W3, I would identify as W3---
"portable W4" or W3---/W4. Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

Thanks.

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Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: TeleTech
Date: 6/3/2004 10:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I used to be active on the air about 12 years ago. I will be moving out of
my assigned call area. I'd like to get back on the air when I move.

What is the accepted practice relative to identifying the call area when
one has moved permanently, given that the FCC does not assign a new call
when one moves out of their area?

For example, if I was visiting W4 area from W3, I would identify as W3---
"portable W4" or W3---/W4. Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

Thanks.

Greetings, and welcome back.

Unfortunately too few folks still observe the call districts in thier
callsigns. Thier "point" is that ""...I don't HAVE to do it, so I won't...".
The requirement to identify which area you ae operating from was dropped quite
a long time ago.

I am a "4" living in 4-land, but when I still had my 8 call, I always
signed "/4" on CW or stated "mobile" or "portable" on phone. I don't like it
when I am looking for a specific area only to find out that the "W1" I just
called is actually in in San Francisco.

Some contests (and of course, Field Day) require it, but that's just for
the contest rules, not "regulations".

Hope to catch you on the air some day.

73

Steve, K4YZ

TeleTech wrote in message ...
I used to be active on the air about 12 years ago. I will be moving out of
my assigned call area. I'd like to get back on the air when I move.

That's great!

What is the accepted practice relative to identifying the call area when
one has moved permanently, given that the FCC does not assign a new call
when one moves out of their area?

For example, if I was visiting W4 area from W3, I would identify as W3---
"portable W4" or W3---/W4.

When away from the permanent station location, a lot of us do the
"mobile 3" thing. I do it so that people know I'm mobile or portable,
and will understand if I don't respond to a call or my signal drops
out.

But at the permanent station location, most hams just use their
callsign even if their call doesn't match the callsign district.

With the current regulations, you can choose your callsign by means of
the vanity call program. So if you want a call that matches your
location, you can have one (for a fee).


Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.

It's not a new thing, either. Here's my story:

I was licensed in 1967 and got a six-character 3 land callsign, which
I kept until I moved to New York State in 1977. This was a permanent
move, and under the rules back then I could request a 1x2, 2x1, 1x3,
2x2 or 2x3 callsign - sequentially issued, no fee and no choice other
than the format. So I asked for a 1x2 and got N2EY.

Then in 1979 I moved back to 3-land. But in the 2 years that had
elapsed, the FCC had changed the rules. I could have gotten a 3-land
call, in any of the above formats, but if I gave up N2EY the FCC would
not reissue it to anybody. So I kept it, rather than deny another ham
a 1x2 or 2x1 call.

Eventually the rules changed and they began reissuing old 1x2 calls.
But by then I was so used to N2EY that I just kept it. Never been a
problem on the air.

73 de Jim, N2EY

I am a "4" living in 4-land, but when I still had my 8 call, I always
signed "/4" on CW or stated "mobile" or "portable" on phone.


Was living in Texas and got on 6 meters. Forgot to add /5 and someone
at a college ham club
thought that I was comming in during a band opening. No so once I
mentioned that I was
located on the other end of town....

No need to do either. Just use your FCC assigned call. Course it helps to
let folks know the general area your in, so they can point the antenna at
you.

Dan/W4NTI

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I used to be active on the air about 12 years ago. I will be moving out
of
my assigned call area. I'd like to get back on the air when I move.

What is the accepted practice relative to identifying the call area when
one has moved permanently, given that the FCC does not assign a new call
when one moves out of their area?

For example, if I was visiting W4 area from W3, I would identify as W3---
"portable W4" or W3---/W4. Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

Thanks.

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My 2 cents -- When DXing give your present district as a cw slash or on
phone -- slant district. Folks calling you want to know where you are at.

In a DX pileup calling by district -- same as above and call when the DX
station calls for the district you are in. Some DX stations get very upset
when they call for sixes and a Ham in NY calls who has a 6 call

When operating a repeater that is in your home area -- no need for the
/district -- folks will know you are local.

When travelling or a visit away from your home state -- give a /district so
folks know you are a visitor and might invite you to some Ham activities or
assist with directions etc.

When on 6M and no skip --- just your call

For 6M skip give the /district you are in. I've called several W1 and W2's
only to find they were in a western state. Not good for WAS hunting and band
openings can be very short

For QSL cards a /district would be in order so the incoming ARRL burro cards
will go to your present district. Some QSL cards may not include the
/district and the card will go to the old district -- best have envelopes in
both districts I would suppose.

Keyboard In The Noise

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"right on"


"TeleTech" wrote in message
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I used to be active on the air about 12 years ago. I will be moving out
of
my assigned call area. I'd like to get back on the air when I move.

What is the accepted practice relative to identifying the call area when
one has moved permanently, given that the FCC does not assign a new call
when one moves out of their area?

For example, if I was visiting W4 area from W3, I would identify as
W3---
"portable W4" or W3---/W4. Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards,
etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

Thanks.

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William wrote:

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
TeleTech wrote in message ...


Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

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TeleTech wrote in message ...


Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

Dave K8MN

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact there.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
TeleTech wrote in message ...


Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

We don't know that the logbook exists. We don't know that T5/N0IMD
existed. No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact there.

I didn't ask for the first one. You requested one of mine through my
QSL manager.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

We don't know that the logbook exists.

I think it does.

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on 2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?



73 de Jim, N2EY

TeleTech wrote

What is the accepted practice relative to identifying the call area when
one has moved permanently, given that the FCC does not assign a new call
when one moves out of their area?

Whatever works for you. The FCC has implicitly acknowledged that we
are a mobile society and that we become 'attached' to our callsigns
sort of as a second name, so changing calls just because we've moved
makes no more sense than changing our name just because we've moved.
Just sign your call as issued without 'attachments'.

73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID

Hans K0HB wrote:




Whatever works for you. The FCC has implicitly acknowledged that we
are a mobile society and that we become 'attached' to our callsigns
sort of as a second name, so changing calls just because we've moved
makes no more sense than changing our name just because we've moved.


Never quite understood it, but it used to be that a callsign belonged to
the "station" and
not the operator, or something like that. Once it happened many years
ago that two
brothers got licenses but the FCC gave out only one callsign, as they
used the same
"station". The FCC recently decided to change that theory to one that
more closely
matches the way hams think of their callsigns. That a ham "owns" a
callsign and uses
it on whatever ham equipment he happens to be using at the moment. If I
borrow your
ham shack, I would still use my callsign. Once I'm satisfied that your
equipment works
correctly. "Looks like a kenwood TS440SAT, receives like one, and seems
to transmit
like it should."

Thanks for all of the, um, "feedback", folks!

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Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on
2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant what
authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices, and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he CLAIMED
to do.

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

No proof = Didn't happen.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location, yet you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

How inept.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 06 Jun 2004 13:21:45 GMT

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

That's one reason. Lacking any proof to the contrary, I'm not going to call
someone a liar.

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say
on 2 meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us
to use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

Well, there you have it. It could have happened, and all of the above-named
conditions would have been met.

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant
what authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

Of course. I didn't say such operation would be 100% in agreement with
international requirements, just that it could happen.

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices,
and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he
CLAIMED to do.

Maybe. But that has no bearing on whether the alleged /T5 operation took place,
whether logbooks existed, and whether QSLs were exchanged.

Remember that all it would take to meet all of these conditions would be one
QSO in a ham band using stateside calls and portable designation.

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

Of course not. Same goes for bands/modes/antennas/rigs used. But the lack of
detail doesn't mean the alleged operation didn't happen.

The lack of detail is a different issue completely.

No proof = Didn't happen.

Not at all.

No proof = Reasonable doubt.

Nothing more or less.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location, yet you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

Where are nursie's logs from Okinawa?

No proof = Nothing happened.

Where are nursie's other claims?

No proof = Nothing happened.

[are you calling continued "meaningful discussions' in here as one of
those "hostile actions?" :-) ]

How inept.

As Yoda would say, "How meaningful your discussions are not..."

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on
2 meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

When are you leaving for this DX hot-spot? :-)

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant
what
authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

The ITU doesn't list nursie as one of those "authorities." :-)

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices, and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he
CLAIMED to do.

Nursie has claimed a LOT of things in here and NEVER offered any
"proof."

[190 proof doesn't count...]

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

No proof = Didn't happen.

No proof of "hostile actions" = Didn't happen.

No proof of all those ham claims = Didn't happen.

Your "proofing filter" is mistuned...

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

We don't know that the logbook exists.

I think it does.

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning
government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say
on 2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us
to
use the radio sets.

This ain't Don Miller time,

Maybe it is. Ol' Don *was* on the air using various exotic callsigns.

Sometimes he actually was where he said he was, too.

the topic is the imaginary T5/N0mind.
There are no "suppositions" about his case.

Sure there are.

There *was* a radio
licensing authority in Somalia throughout that operation and there
*was* a long-standing clearly prescribed procedure other members of
the U.S. military followed in order to obtain perission to operate a
ham station in Somalia when he was there. The procedure is a matter of
long-standing gummint policy which existed long before Brainiac landed
in Somalia and all the legit YIs who are popping up today are
following the same policy requirements.

I'm not saying the above supposes would result in a legitimate operation. I'm
just saying that it could be done, and if the operation were confined to a
couple of local VHF/UHF QSOs the people involved might not get in any trouble.

Quite some time ago I posted a copy here of a detailed e-mail written
by another member of the U.S. military who was also in Somalia during
that military expedition, followed the procedure and got official
hard-copy permission to go on the air. He went on to work scads of
stations, kept his logs and passed out piles of ARRL-acceptable cards
for a new one.

IOW, the person you quoted did a legit operation.

Brainiac did none of the preceding = **bogus**.

Brainiac's excuse at the time was something like "well, he was later
than I was".

Yeah, right . .

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

I'm simply saying what *could* be done. I'm not saying it would be legit, or
that anyone other than those directly involved would know anyhting about it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

I'm simply saying what *could* be done. I'm not saying it would be legit,
or
that anyone other than those directly involved would know anyhting about
it.

It's not a "could be", it's already out there all over the world all
over the RF spectrum. We call it "freebanding". Which, is exactly what
Burke was doing if he actually did get on the air from T5 without the
paperwork.

Of course.

The last thing I'd do is keep logs and send cards if I went
freebanding.

That's you. Others might not be so concerned. And if the "logbook" consists of
a few local QSOs and the cards delivered in person, all of the above would
still be true, wouldn't they?

Heck, I could jam the door interlock on a microwave oven, bring it out in the
back yard and point it at the sky, power it up and proceed to call CQ by
opening and closing the door. Then I could claim I was "operating high power
UHF" and it would be true, wouldn't it?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/6/2004 11:58 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

That's one reason. Lacking any proof to the contrary, I'm not going to call
someone a liar.

Then you're a bit more liberal than I am, I guess! =)

I figure after two years of being asked yet proactively dodging the ante
earns Brain the title.

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

Well, there you have it. It could have happened, and all of the above-named
conditions would have been met.

And I have yet to meet anyone who WAS "there" that didn't have SOME
memento of the occassion. I know three guys who were /KC4 who at least had
pics taken at the McMurdo and Little America signs outside the outpost's
complex.

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant
what authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

Of course. I didn't say such operation would be 100% in agreement with
international requirements, just that it could happen.

Sure it could...and J.Lo might leave her NEW husband and show up on my
doorstep begging for me to pleasure her...

I ain't holding my breath. However if she DOES show up, you can be darned
sure I will have SOME sort of proof before making outlandish claims!

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices,
and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he
CLAIMED to do.

Maybe. But that has no bearing on whether the alleged /T5 operation took
place,
whether logbooks existed, and whether QSLs were exchanged.

It has all the bearing in the world, Jim.

How can you say that a lack of proper authorization to operate DOESN'T
ahve bearing on the operation...?!?! There's not a single Amateur Radio award
by any organization that I am aware of that is not predicated on the legitimacy
of the operating credentials of the claimant.

He can "operate" all he wants to and exchange a ton of QSL cards, but no
license (or authorization or permit or certificate...what ever you want to call
it...) and all that operation is worthless.

Remember that all it would take to meet all of these conditions would be one
QSO in a ham band using stateside calls and portable designation.

As long as the legal criteria was met.

In Brain's case, it appears as though it wasn't. He was not in
Antarctica...he was allegedly in Somalia.

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

Of course not. Same goes for bands/modes/antennas/rigs used. But the lack of
detail doesn't mean the alleged operation didn't happen.

Please tell me you're just playing "Devil's Advocate", Jim...!

The lack of detail is a different issue completely.

You've GOT to be kidding me.

I can tell you in INTIMATE detail the sation I had set up in my barracks
on Oki in 81...Equipment, antennas, I even still have the log. Although I
don't have my copy of the AMRS authorization, I can give specifics about
who/what/where, callsign, and even have a couple of QSL cards from folks I
worked...

He can't even TELL us ONE callsign of anyone he worked...?!?!

No proof = Didn't happen.

Not at all.

No proof = Reasonable doubt.

No proof on short notice = reasonable doubt.

No proof after two years = didn't happen.

Nothing more or less.

His "nothing more" can't be much less than what it's been, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Brian Kelly)
Date: 6/6/2004 8:42 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

I'm simply saying what *could* be done. I'm not saying it would be legit,
or
that anyone other than those directly involved would know anyhting about
it.

It's not a "could be", it's already out there all over the world all
over the RF spectrum. We call it "freebanding". Which, is exactly what
Burke was doing if he actually did get on the air from T5 without the
paperwork.

The last thing I'd do is keep logs and send cards if I went
freebanding.

Exactly.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/6/2004 1:01 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location, yet you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

Where are nursie's logs from Okinawa?

No proof = Nothing happened.

Unlike Brain, I can refer you to 15th Air Force Auxiliary Military Radio
Service station callsign KA6CM, issued from Yakota, Japan, in August of 1981.

Where are nursie's other claims?

No proof = Nothing happened.

You were provided adequate information to inquire directly of the
Veteran's Administration, Lennie.

Since you didn't do it, your assertions of "no proof" are your own
undoing, Putzster.

If the archives of the federal government aren't good enough for you,
Scumboy, I don't know what else I can do.

Steve, K4YZ

"N2EY" wrote in message
...

No proof = Reasonable doubt.

Nothing more or less.

You just don't get it, do you Jim. On rrap you must either agree with
K4CAP/K4YZ and accede to every whimsical demand of his, or you are a
low-life lying scum sucking weasel. Reasonable doubt is not an option.

K4CAP/K4YZ ** IS ** amateur radio.

73,

Avery

In article , (He's
got it in his wallet Superham) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/6/2004 1:01 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location, yet you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

Where are nursie's logs from Okinawa?

No proof = Nothing happened.

Unlike Brain, I can refer you to 15th Air Force Auxiliary Military Radio
Service station callsign KA6CM, issued from Yakota, Japan, in August of 1981.

"Yakota?" :-)

"Refer me?" "Refer anyone?" A USAF MARS station? Oh, my!

An whut it say on dat "referral?" Is it hidden from view again?

Where are nursie's other claims?

No proof = Nothing happened.

You were provided adequate information to inquire directly of the
Veteran's Administration, Lennie.

Not good enough. NARA is the place. National Archives and
Records Administration. St. Louis.

Since you didn't do it, your assertions of "no proof" are your own
undoing, Putzster.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. More "meaningful discussion" again. :-)

Where and when all dem "hostile actions" Air Force MARSman?

If the archives of the federal government aren't good enough for you,
Scumboy, I don't know what else I can do.

You can try by reading and UNDERSTANDING DoD Directive
4650.2 data 21 Nov 03. It don' say no ham be da hole MARS.

"MARS is amateur radio" be da WRONG statement...

Temper fry...

In article , (Mighty
Morphing Power Ham Newsgroup Ranger) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/6/2004 11:58 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

That's one reason. Lacking any proof to the contrary, I'm not going to call
someone a liar.

Then you're a bit more liberal than I am, I guess! =)

I figure after two years of being asked yet proactively dodging the ante
earns Brain the title.

"Dodging?" :-)

Nursie, the Hero of "seven hostile actions?"

[as yet unidentified as to where and when... :-) ]

Nursie who stated (flatly): "MARS is amateur radio?"

Nursie who knows all about electronics engineering whose entire
electronics career has been a few months at a mid-sized TN
set-top box maker as a Purchasing Agent?

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

Well, there you have it. It could have happened, and all of the above-named
conditions would have been met.

And I have yet to meet anyone who WAS "there" that didn't have SOME
memento of the occassion. I know three guys who were /KC4 who at least had
pics taken at the McMurdo and Little America signs outside the outpost's
complex.

Right..."seven hostile actions!" Lots of identifying "mementos" there.

:-)

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant
what authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

Of course. I didn't say such operation would be 100% in agreement with
international requirements, just that it could happen.

Sure it could...and J.Lo might leave her NEW husband and show up on my
doorstep begging for me to pleasure her...

Oh, my...Fantasy Island time again! :-)

I ain't holding my breath. However if she DOES show up, you can be
darned
sure I will have SOME sort of proof before making outlandish claims!

You must have gotten some 190 proof to even think such a thing!

:-)

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices, and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he
CLAIMED to do.

Maybe. But that has no bearing on whether the alleged /T5 operation took
place,
whether logbooks existed, and whether QSLs were exchanged.

It has all the bearing in the world, Jim.

How can you say that a lack of proper authorization to operate DOESN'T
ahve bearing on the operation...?!?! There's not a single Amateur Radio award
by any organization that I am aware of that is not predicated on the
legitimacy
of the operating credentials of the claimant.

Oh, my, there he goes...drinking and deriving... :-)

Ah...there was NO mention of any "awards" or even "dxpedition"
or anything like that.

Brian was THERE, on assignment, in the military, and subject to
military authority.

But, nursie doesn't seem to want to obey any military since he
stated "MARS is amateur radio" and never once admitted that
the military (from DoD downwards) stated that MARS is a
military radio service.

He can "operate" all he wants to and exchange a ton of QSL cards, but no
license (or authorization or permit or certificate...what ever you want to
call
it...) and all that operation is worthless.

Nursie be da Final Authority.

Nothing in radio takes place without he be da Judge! :-)

Remember that all it would take to meet all of these conditions would be one
QSO in a ham band using stateside calls and portable designation.

As long as the legal criteria was met.

It's called "obeying the UCMJ." [ever hear of it?]

In Brain's case, it appears as though it wasn't. He was not in
Antarctica...he was allegedly in Somalia.

Nursie is also supposed to have "seven hostile actions" in his
jacket. :-)

Where and when be those "hostile actions?" :-)

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

Of course not. Same goes for bands/modes/antennas/rigs used. But the lack of
detail doesn't mean the alleged operation didn't happen.

Please tell me you're just playing "Devil's Advocate", Jim...!

Running out of support for your nastygram statements? :-)

The lack of detail is a different issue completely.

You've GOT to be kidding me.

Nursie obviously cannot take any view opposite of his. :-)

I can tell you in INTIMATE detail the sation I had set up in my barracks
on Oki in 81...Equipment, antennas, I even still have the log. Although I
don't have my copy of the AMRS authorization, I can give specifics about
who/what/where, callsign, and even have a couple of QSL cards from folks I
worked...

Okay, tell us. In "INTIMATE" detail. [dreams about J.Lo. don't have
to be included]

FULL DETAIL. Official permission, da whole magilla.

He can't even TELL us ONE callsign of anyone he worked...?!?!

No proof = Didn't happen.

Not at all.

No proof = Reasonable doubt.

No proof on short notice = reasonable doubt.

No proof after two years = didn't happen.

Proof on "seven hostile actions?" [didn't happen]

Proof on "MARS is amateur radio?" [DoD says otherwise]


Nothing more or less.

His "nothing more" can't be much less than what it's been, Jim!

Poor nursie, still hating and raging, meanmouthing everyone who
doesn't believe him...and then wanting "meaningful discussion" !

Fine example of an amateur extra class radio amateur.

Too bad the ARRL doesn't have a "Cover Plague" award. :-)

LHA / WMD

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: "Avery Hightower"
Date: 6/7/2004 3:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: .net

"N2EY" wrote in message
...

No proof = Reasonable doubt.

Nothing more or less.

You just don't get it, do you Jim. On rrap you must either agree with
K4CAP/K4YZ and accede to every whimsical demand of his, or you are a
low-life lying scum sucking weasel. Reasonable doubt is not an option.

What "reasonable doubt"...?!?! Two years of dodging requests for
validation of claims made...?!?!

And what "demands"...?!?! Again...Someone makes claims of having had
experiences that allegedly makes them "knowldegeable" of certain skills or
techniques, yet NO EVIDENCE of having actually done them...

Eh, Brain...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/7/2004 8:08 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...

The last thing I'd do is keep logs and send cards if I went
freebanding.

w3rv

Same here. But I don't accept some blowhard(s) on r.r.a.p. as a
competent authority for me to have to produce proof for.

There's no "authority" here to "produce proof" for, Brain.

Only your own reputation. YOU made the claims.

That you fight so hard to keep from validating them only further
substantiates my suspicisions that you made the whole thing up in order to be
able to say "ME TOO...ME TOO! ! !"

It's your bed, Brain. Comfy?

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/7/2004 8:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
.com...
Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

(N2EY) wrote in message
.com...
TeleTech wrote in message
...


Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4,
I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

Dave K8MN

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

Who, exactly, did ever get one?

Sorry, Kellie, but you're not in there either.

Now that doesn't answer the question he asked, Brain.

He didn't ask "..did I?"

He asked "..who did?"

Nice try.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/7/2004 8:15 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

Nope. True.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location,

Guam IS unique. All of the rest of the Marianas Islands have to share
KH0.

yet you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

Where did you get THAT piece of misinformation?

From you, Brain.

On more than one occassion you've insisted that you "can't find" your
"logs".

THAT says "lost".

How inept.

What a stupid assertion. I think you've already used up this month's
quota. Better go easy.

Hey Brainy...YOU made the "stupid assertion".

So NOW you're insinuating that you HAVE the logs that you have previously
told us you either don't have, can't find or were otherwise lost or misplaced.

I think YOU are the one who had better "go easy". You are getting tied up
in your own mistruths.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/7/2004 9:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , (He's
got it in his wallet Superham) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/6/2004 1:01 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location, yet
you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

Where are nursie's logs from Okinawa?

No proof = Nothing happened.

Unlike Brain, I can refer you to 15th Air Force Auxiliary Military
Radio
Service station callsign KA6CM, issued from Yakota, Japan, in August of
1981.

"Yakota?" :-)

"Refer me?" "Refer anyone?" A USAF MARS station? Oh, my!

Whoi said anything about MARS, Sir Putzy?

I said AMRS.

AMRS was the program underwhich US Armed Forces personnel were "licensed"
to operate those 2-by-2 KA callsigns in Japan until Japan finally created a
reciprocal licensing program for foreigners.

An whut it say on dat "referral?" Is it hidden from view again?

Where are nursie's other claims?

No proof = Nothing happened.

You were provided adequate information to inquire directly of the
Veteran's Administration, Lennie.

Not good enough. NARA is the place. National Archives and
Records Administration. St. Louis.

And you can get the same questions answered via VA. The VA will
acknowledge requests for verification of service. As for the rest, you don't
need my entire service record.

Be my guest. Of course you won't...The answers would put a cork in YOUR
silliness.

You can try by reading and UNDERSTANDING DoD Directive
4650.2 data 21 Nov 03. It don' say no ham be da hole MARS.

Lennie what did you do with that 14 years of college-level night school
you claim to have attended...?!?!

Another lie?

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com...

The last thing I'd do is keep logs and send cards if I went
freebanding.

w3rv

Same here. But I don't accept some blowhard(s) on r.r.a.p. as a
competent authority for me to have to produce proof for.

Best of luck.

"William"'s definition of "blowhard": Anyone who questions the legality
or the very existence of his claimed operation from Somalia. Kinda
dangled your participle in the breeze there, "William".

Dave K8MN