Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers
when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article in
our national Journal for May.

73, Avery

Hello, Avery

Fortunately, that (phonetics) problem doesn't exist on cw

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Avery Hightower" wrote in message
k.net...
Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers
when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article
in
our national Journal for May.

73, Avery





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"Avery Hightower" wrote in message
k.net...
Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers
when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article
in
our national Journal for May.

73, Avery




Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI

Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI

Yep, Ryan

10 years ago I went for a civil service exam. They asked both phonetic
alphabets (alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot ... and adam baker charlie
david edward ... etc). I scored 100% with no veterens' points. I wasn't
even called. I assumed it had something to do with age.

I figured something out. About 1 year ago, a shift supervisor asked me if I
could copy one of his report's resume into the computer. As I proceeded to
type the resume into the computer he was flabbergasted. "What the heck!
You aren't even looking at the monitor!" Yawn.

Of course. I have typed 65 words per minute on a manual typewriter and over
90 words per minute on a 100 word per minute teletype machine. I have
copied 40 words per minute perfect copy for a number of minutes (a full page
of typewritten copy) in the Navy on a manual typewriter (the fastest speed
they had on tape at Bainbridge, MD).

I was asked when I was looking for a job some years ago if I had ever used a
computer. I won't repeat what I said. Well, maybe. I asked "did you read
the f*ck*ng resume? I've been programming PCs and mainframes for three
years! I walked out on them. I have come to the conclusion that I no
longer care.

I was even called "elitist", which I am not. I am just fed up with certain
things that are happening. I wish we all could just get along ....

One guy had a problem on a repeater. He was squawking about the need for
CW. So .... I switched to F2 emission (or whatever they want to call it ...
I no longer worry about it). I was gentle. I only sent about 40 words per
minute. I could have sent 55. Maybe 60, but it wouldn't have been good
code at that point.

My new attitude is "do whatever you want, just make sure you want it".
Raise, call or fold.

BTW, I've never heard of "boy" being one of the recognized phonetics.

I think I'm developing an attitude

BTW, no slam intended. I just would like some of the folks in the newsgroup
to understand what is going on with some of us older folks who are still to
young to retire. This is absolutely *not* aimed at you.

Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI






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No problem Jim, I am one of those that is required to use the APCO (or
damned close similarity) phonetics in both of what I do for a living. As a
ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......

I am first to admit, every once in a while the two different phonetic groups
do get intermingled...... not on purpose though.

Ryan KC8PMX


"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Yep, Ryan

10 years ago I went for a civil service exam. They asked both phonetic
alphabets (alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot ... and adam baker
charlie
david edward ... etc). I scored 100% with no veterens' points. I wasn't
even called. I assumed it had something to do with age.

I figured something out. About 1 year ago, a shift supervisor asked me if
I
could copy one of his report's resume into the computer. As I proceeded
to
type the resume into the computer he was flabbergasted. "What the heck!
You aren't even looking at the monitor!" Yawn.

Of course. I have typed 65 words per minute on a manual typewriter and
over
90 words per minute on a 100 word per minute teletype machine. I have
copied 40 words per minute perfect copy for a number of minutes (a full
page
of typewritten copy) in the Navy on a manual typewriter (the fastest speed
they had on tape at Bainbridge, MD).

I was asked when I was looking for a job some years ago if I had ever used
a
computer. I won't repeat what I said. Well, maybe. I asked "did you
read
the f*ck*ng resume? I've been programming PCs and mainframes for three
years! I walked out on them. I have come to the conclusion that I no
longer care.

I was even called "elitist", which I am not. I am just fed up with
certain
things that are happening. I wish we all could just get along ....

One guy had a problem on a repeater. He was squawking about the need for
CW. So .... I switched to F2 emission (or whatever they want to call it
....
I no longer worry about it). I was gentle. I only sent about 40 words
per
minute. I could have sent 55. Maybe 60, but it wouldn't have been good
code at that point.

My new attitude is "do whatever you want, just make sure you want it".
Raise, call or fold.

BTW, I've never heard of "boy" being one of the recognized phonetics.

I think I'm developing an attitude

BTW, no slam intended. I just would like some of the folks in the
newsgroup
to understand what is going on with some of us older folks who are still
to
young to retire. This is absolutely *not* aimed at you.

Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of
work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I
guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI






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"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote

As a ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......

No you're not.

Regardless of the article in QST, there is no requirement for hams to
use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you
wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy.

73, de Hans, K0HB
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Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:


As a
ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......

There is no rule that a ham must use a certain set if phonetics.

Y'know, with all this discussion about different phonetic alphabets, people
confusing "Papa" with "Japan" and DX/contest folks using a completely different
set and being cornfuzed by anything else, it makes me wonder.

Doesn't all this add up to 'phone modes being "slow", "limited" and
"error-prone"?

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
Y'know, with all this discussion about different phonetic alphabets, people
confusing "Papa" with "Japan" and DX/contest folks using a completely different
set and being cornfuzed by anything else, it makes me wonder.

Doesn't all this add up to 'phone modes being "slow", "limited" and
"error-prone"?

No. Just as with Morse, there is proficiency built up by use. With a set
uof headphones, and the ability to adjust the volume and tone to where I
like it, even my rotten ears can work phone nicely. In the field days
and contests where I have worked high power, I have spent a lot of time
with weak phone signals. I have gone from asking for repeats in about 25
percent of the cases to almost never.

In fact, the whole phonetic debate is a little funny, since despite the
kvetching, an experienced operator can pick out the different phonetics
without getting his/her knickers in a twist.

- Mike KB3EIA -