Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers
when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article in
our national Journal for May.

73, Avery

Hello, Avery

Fortunately, that (phonetics) problem doesn't exist on cw

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Avery Hightower" wrote in message
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Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers
when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article
in
our national Journal for May.

73, Avery





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"Avery Hightower" wrote in message
k.net...
Nothing against K5KSR but it says something about the level of QST readers
when they vote his article "Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article
in
our national Journal for May.

73, Avery




Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI

Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI

Yep, Ryan

10 years ago I went for a civil service exam. They asked both phonetic
alphabets (alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot ... and adam baker charlie
david edward ... etc). I scored 100% with no veterens' points. I wasn't
even called. I assumed it had something to do with age.

I figured something out. About 1 year ago, a shift supervisor asked me if I
could copy one of his report's resume into the computer. As I proceeded to
type the resume into the computer he was flabbergasted. "What the heck!
You aren't even looking at the monitor!" Yawn.

Of course. I have typed 65 words per minute on a manual typewriter and over
90 words per minute on a 100 word per minute teletype machine. I have
copied 40 words per minute perfect copy for a number of minutes (a full page
of typewritten copy) in the Navy on a manual typewriter (the fastest speed
they had on tape at Bainbridge, MD).

I was asked when I was looking for a job some years ago if I had ever used a
computer. I won't repeat what I said. Well, maybe. I asked "did you read
the f*ck*ng resume? I've been programming PCs and mainframes for three
years! I walked out on them. I have come to the conclusion that I no
longer care.

I was even called "elitist", which I am not. I am just fed up with certain
things that are happening. I wish we all could just get along ....

One guy had a problem on a repeater. He was squawking about the need for
CW. So .... I switched to F2 emission (or whatever they want to call it ...
I no longer worry about it). I was gentle. I only sent about 40 words per
minute. I could have sent 55. Maybe 60, but it wouldn't have been good
code at that point.

My new attitude is "do whatever you want, just make sure you want it".
Raise, call or fold.

BTW, I've never heard of "boy" being one of the recognized phonetics.

I think I'm developing an attitude

BTW, no slam intended. I just would like some of the folks in the newsgroup
to understand what is going on with some of us older folks who are still to
young to retire. This is absolutely *not* aimed at you.

Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI






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Wasn't aware they were still being used.

Go for it.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI

Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
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Wasn't aware they were still being used.

Go for it.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of
work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I
guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Yep, in every rerun of One Adam Twelve.

The police and other civil entities used many different variants across
country
From URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

Used by police in New York City:

Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

[Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow]


Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York:

Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida
John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam
Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra


Used by police in San Diego, California:

Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit
Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra
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Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?

"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197
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The police and other civil entities used many different variants across
country
From URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

Used by police in New York City:

Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

[Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow]


Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York:

Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida
John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam
Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra


Used by police in San Diego, California:

Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit
Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra
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Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?





There's only one correct international set of phonetics -

Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima
Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X-
ray Yankee Zulu

I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes
me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the
American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have
only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit
operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as
'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the
DX.

Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like,
but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of
saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans
say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No
doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of
saying it, but I can't do much about that.

I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I
have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is
considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign
accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to
be the way that is natural for me to begin with!