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In article , (William) writes: Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." I didn't. Jack Nicholson is in that one as an SP. Jack also played Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." [famous line in that pic... "You can't handle the truth!!!"] "You can't tell the truth!!!" would be more appropriate. And that crazy glint in his eye, as in "The Shining." tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." :-) "How I Kicked Seven Hostile Boxes," coming to a theater near you. |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/19/2004 4:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: The melting point of solder is well below the temper temperature of nursie...easier to suck up melted solder than to put out the fires of outraged, angry egos such as nursie's. "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...Leonard H. Anderson, alleged engineer and proven pathological liar. Nursie should not be sending so many nastygrams. That only reinforces the already-perceived-by-readers of her "Antichrist" character. Neither is your posting any of the "meaningful discourse" you desire. You don't "discourse" when you diss and cuss. I guess this must be all of what modern U.S. amateur radio is about...a bunch of mad-as-hell extras berating all the "lower classes." Nice hobby. For Huns and other barbarians...? All the nicer without a lying, disgraceful ex-technician who thinks he knows better NOT in it, Lennie... That would be you, byt the way... Are you saying "byt" me? Sucks to be you...again. Tsk, tsk, tsk...not only dissing and cussing, but very bad sentence structure. Try some remedial English classes. During the day since you abhor night classes. It would make a remarkable difference in improving your written communications. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/19/2004 4:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Meanwhile, if I ever find out what's holding me down on the anti- gravity invention, I will rise above it all. You mean walking on water wasn't enough...?!?!? Jesus Christ, NO... I am not Jesus Christ, Lennie...It's "Steve". How about a close cousin to the Antichrist? I am sure you wish it were true. I wish it was NOT true. Unfortunately, the evidence is against that. Confused again...?!?! I am not surprised. Poor baby. Still angry, outraged, and mean-spirited? I am not being mean spirited by pointing out your errors, Lennie. Why do you disdain them? They're yours, afterall! Idiot. Or you need reading glasses. I denied being Jesus the Christ. If you cannot understand a sentence containing a name and one word, then your mind has gone bye-bye. Bye-bye and Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote Just out of curiosity, do you have an idea of how much power the Navy uses on the VLF stuff? I don't know current QRO, but in the 70's the COMSUBLANT transmitter at Cutler was 1,700,000W on 15.9KHz and the COMSUBPAC transmitter at Jim Creek was 2,200,000W on 17.1KHz. The ELF site at Clam Lake is reportedly engineered for just under 1,000,000,000W at somewhere just above powerline QRG, 75Hz if I remember correctly. The antenna is just under 29 miles long. 73, de Hans, K0HB Hello, Hans And *we* are paying for it ;) Those are *big* qro rigs LOL 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 6/18/04 |
"John Siegel" wrote in message ... Jim Hampton wrote: "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Len Over 21" wrote Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters, and all of them 1 KW or higher? All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF, 30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30 transmitters, 1KW or larger. snip How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA operate? With all kind wishes, Hans Brakob Master Chief Radioman, US Navy Hello, Hans Most interesting, indeed. Just out of curiosity, do you have an idea of how much power the Navy uses on the VLF stuff? Just curious. When you start talking 6 zeros in the power level, three zeroes *does* start to look pretty small time ;) Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA QST had a story many years ago when the VLF station in Maine was first opened. I remember a picture of a man standing up inside the coax. Power was in the 2 Megawatt range. John John, I wouldn't want to be standing up inside the coax when they fire *that* baby up :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 6/18/04 |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." I didn't. Jack Nicholson is in that one as an SP. Jack also played Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." [famous line in that pic... "You can't handle the truth!!!"] "You can't tell the truth!!!" would be more appropriate. And that crazy glint in his eye, as in "The Shining." I'm going to watch Amazon and Hollywood Video (the chain) for low-cost CDs of that movie. Darn good acting by all involved, even Tom Cruise. [I hope that Amazon has it on sale soon...before they go "bank- rupt." :-) ] tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." :-) "How I Kicked Seven Hostile Boxes," coming to a theater near you. Oh, heck and darn, Brian, now you have me curious and I have to start cadging copies of Daily Variety and Hollywood Reporter to find out the expected release date! :-( Action-filled scenes at night, no lights...as befits keeping the when and where a Secret! I wonder if someone will market little scowling action figures? :-) LHA / WMD |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the archived mistruths of an ex radio technician parading about as an engineer, Leonard H. Anderson. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) Nursie be here to just FIGHT anyone not thinking like nursie. :-) Might makes right. He "float like a bee, sting like a butterfly..." :-) Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in any professional journals?!?!? I didn't say "ever", Your Wimpiness. tsk, tsk, tsk. [lower-case comment as befits lower-case nursie] "Sorry Hans, Military Communications Journals ARE NOT Amateur Radio Journals." Hi, hi. Heh, nursie would be surprised at the number of hams in AFCEA or in the Association of Old Crows (real professional association for electronic warfare engineering type, named after a pair of legendary Norse ravens who flew ahead looking for land). Your point? There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to find out about military or government radio systems and communications. Been there for a long time, even before the Internet went public such as the SINCGARS. Great. Then all those Amateurs who ARE interested in military communications DON'T have to depend on QST, et al to discuss them. ...and nursie thinks amateur radio is exclusive, different from all other radio. :-) Steve doesn't know what he thinks. One minute, just to disagree with you he says one thing, another minute, just to disagree with Hans, he says something else. Such as this little gem: "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio." Welp, he seems stuck on that one, refusing to budge an inch. Once it sticks in the 16 working neurons of his, it's like mental crazy glue. Next, he'll probably state "death before dishonor" (of admitting a mistake). Did nursie ever bother to check out other radio services (other than the CBs he saw shrink-wrapped at Wal-Mart)? But, but, but... He saw some radios in an EMS van, and he saw some radios in a police car. But he most liked to run the siren and blinking lights as they make him convulse. So THAT's the reason?!? Sounds valid to me. A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one kind of radio system in government history...] Sure it does. And "surplus" radio gear has NOT been the preferred method of getting on the air by Amateurs for TWO DECADES....Not when folks can buy brand new, under warranty equipment for under $200. Tsk, tsk, tsk. For a nearly-fifty "olde-tyme" hamme nursie sure doesn't know much about surplus. :-) He's expert at wasting surplus bandwidth. Agreed. :-) If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean- mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk. Perhaps if you HAD been reading those Amateur magazines you'd understand a bit more about what you are talking about. tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie imagines others' worlds and doings instead of finding out. Interesting that a person who has written for amateur radio magazines has never read one. Len, you otta be ashamed. I know, I know. I go sit in corner. But you go right on ahead, Lennie... tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie getting on high horse again, forgetting which end is head and which is tail. :-) Even on a regular horse, he needs to mount the horse while standing on a stump. Can't imagine him ever getting on a high horse. Maybe he should stick with ponies. Wouldn't matter. He still won't read DoD Directive 4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03) or USN-USMC Communications Instruction NCP 8 (C). Nursie hasn't been able to stop many, despite his shouting, hollering, cursing, and threatening. :-) He will never run me off, as he has tried so many times before. Nursie no understand da Eengliss... [which may explain not understanding 4650.2 or NCP 8 (C)...] Actually, my words then, as they are now, are that what I did in the Armed Forces have nothing to do with Amateur Communications. Just like YOUR "link" with Amateur Radio, Lennie, those "happenings" only shared the theoretical basics of radio wave generation and propagation. tsk, tsk, tsk...translated, nursie never did any military communications at all (except maybe to use the day room telephone). :-) So that's what he was doing while assigned Bay Orderly. Typical. Well, technically, the telephones in the military buildings are government property or something like that. Since telephones are communications instruments and, being guvmint property, he DID "military communications!" :-) That may be the line of reasoning that Rev. Jimmie Who will present. Stay tuned. Nursie was involved too much in those "hostile actions" in the military. Must be the post-traumatic stress disorder thing showing in his postings... You never know what will set him off. I know! Isn't it exciting? - yawn - It's the application...not the physics...that separates you from the rest of us, Sir Scummy. tsk, tsk, tsk...more "meaningful discourse" from nursie? :-) You apply physics differently in amateur radio? Hmmm? I don't, but others seem to. You have to put yourself in nursie's frame of reference. In that, he imagines that absolutely NO electron, field or wave will operate at ham frequencies unless a person is absolutely licensed, certified, framed, and hung on the wall as a federally- tested servicemember. Not only that, below 30 MHz, the licensed, certified, framed and hung person MUST test for telegraphy. Absolute. No ifs or buts, not even in a butt can. Those who disobey that are forever afloat on the charybdis, or doomed to listen to the exhortations and general arm- waving along with dissing and cussing in this newsgroup. Sucks to be you. Only when I use either of the two Hoover appliances here. :-) Or the solder-sucker on the bench. :-) The melting point of solder is well below the temper temperature of nursie...easier to suck up melted solder than to put out the fires of outraged, angry egos such as nursie's... :-) He's like a phosphorous bomb. Lots of sparks and smoke. I keep thinking "pink smoke grenade" used in signalling. Pink to match the horror of reading profane words (oh, heavens!) or thinking that mooning is displaying "male nudity!" [purity and no profanity in telegraphy...ptui ] Smoke grenades smell bad when all fired up...but don't last long. "Code," "test," and "nuts" are all 4-letter words. I guess this must be all of what modern U.S. amateur radio is about...a bunch of mad-as-hell extras berating all the "lower classes." Nice hobby. For Huns and other barbarians...? LHA / WMD Len, they're not all that way. You ARE right. Most hams are good folks in their right minds. Unfortunately, any human grouping has some nutsos. Apparently, all the ham nutsos gravitated to in here after arthur and his ritis slowed down their dizzying high-speed fists! But, like the Big Hun (the other one who can spell in Hunnish) said, "being interested means being licensed" so therefore anybody without an official, nicely-engraved-border (suitable for framing) amateur license can possibly "show any interest" in radio. Nobody belongs in the RF world without that official, certified, government-approved ham license...and those aren't "real" unless a telegraphy test has been passed. Those are the words from On High. One last thing...PCTAs have so little sense of humor that everything is done in an oh-so-serious (!) manner, keeping always on the alert, ready to diss and cuss any NCTA in sight or hearing. [sort of the General Order #1 here]* * those who never went to basic or boot forget it... PCTA want WAR! NCTA just want to end the code test. PCTA are righteous, they are strong, hear them roar! Breep, breep... LHA / WMD |
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writes: "KØHB" wrote in message link.net... "Jim Hampton" wrote Just out of curiosity, do you have an idea of how much power the Navy uses on the VLF stuff? I don't know current QRO, but in the 70's the COMSUBLANT transmitter at Cutler was 1,700,000W on 15.9KHz and the COMSUBPAC transmitter at Jim Creek was 2,200,000W on 17.1KHz. The ELF site at Clam Lake is reportedly engineered for just under 1,000,000,000W at somewhere just above powerline QRG, 75Hz if I remember correctly. The antenna is just under 29 miles long. 73, de Hans, K0HB Hello, Hans And *we* are paying for it ;) Those are *big* qro rigs LOL Sort of. 2,200,000W looks like a lot -and it is a lot, in the world of radio transmitters. 2.2 million watts! But compare it to other technologies.... 2.2 million watts is only 2200 kW. At 746 W per HP, that works out to just under 2,950 HP. You could get more than that out of a single 1950s era diesel electric railroad locomotive, or a WW2 bomber - or about a dozen SUVs. Compared to the power of even a "small" USN ship or submarine... The 1 gigawatt ELF system is a bit bigger, of course. Count the cars on the Genessee Expressway where it crosses Jefferson Road at rush hour and see how quickly you get to the million-horsepower mark... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/20/2004 3:18 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On 20 Jun 2004 13:14:21 GMT, (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote: I see at least one reference to a Civil Air Patrol station. Yep - Puerto Rico CAP is their correct State Wing callsign. Like Florida CAP where you are, or WHITE PEAK where I am. I'm not in Florida. I DON'T see ANY reference to any Part 15 or other unlicensed devices being employed or reported. Nor do I see any PLMRS, GMRS, or MURS systems. (Certain posters here insist they play a "major" role in "emergency comms"...Guess they will be in the NEXT exercise...?!?! In all fairness, the frequencies posted were in relation to a military exercise and to an exercise of a radio net oprated by the civilian government in support of said military exercise. This is far removed from the type of "emergency comms" in which GMRS, MURS, FRS, and Amateur stations would be involved. That one wasn't on you, John. Certain other posters have "insisted" that those radio services are "major" contributors to "emergency comms". They have yet to establish any validity for those claims. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/20/2004 3:18 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On 20 Jun 2004 13:14:21 GMT, (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote: I see at least one reference to a Civil Air Patrol station. Yep - Puerto Rico CAP is their correct State Wing callsign. Like Florida CAP where you are, or WHITE PEAK where I am. I'm not in Florida. Of course. Florida is not part of Fantasyland. I DON'T see ANY reference to any Part 15 or other unlicensed devices being employed or reported. Nor do I see any PLMRS, GMRS, or MURS systems. (Certain posters here insist they play a "major" role in "emergency comms"...Guess they will be in the NEXT exercise...?!?! In all fairness, the frequencies posted were in relation to a military exercise and to an exercise of a radio net oprated by the civilian government in support of said military exercise. This is far removed from the type of "emergency comms" in which GMRS, MURS, FRS, and Amateur stations would be involved. That one wasn't on you, John. Certain other posters have "insisted" that those radio services are "major" contributors to "emergency comms". They have yet to establish any validity for those claims. No need. There's a cellular telephone subscription for one out of three U.S. citizens according to the U.S. Census Bureau. (cellphones are not Part 15 devices) CB radios number somewhere between 2 and 5 MILLION, estimated by NTIA. (CB is not under Part 15) I don't know how many FRS/GMRS HTs have been sold, but they are regular consumer electronics items as consumer electronics stores and are good for 5 to 10 miles communications range. (FRS isn't under Part 15 either) One-way communications has been provided in emergencies for decades by broadcasting (also not under Part 15). In real emergencies the Public Land Mobile Radio Service (PLMRS) radios have been invaluable for local government and utility and medical aid agencies. (PLMRS isn't under Part 15). It is very inaccurate to state anyone has "insisted unlicensed devices play a 'major' role" in emergencies. Those radios ARE used by emergency communications groups in real emergencies. Try to get with reality instead of hiding in outrage in fantasy- land over some perceived "insult" against your shouting and arm-waving. LHA / WMD |
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In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." I didn't. Jack Nicholson is in that one as an SP. Jack also played Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." [famous line in that pic... "You can't handle the truth!!!"] "You can't tell the truth!!!" would be more appropriate. And that crazy glint in his eye, as in "The Shining." I'm going to watch Amazon and Hollywood Video (the chain) for low-cost CDs of that movie. Darn good acting by all involved, even Tom Cruise. [I hope that Amazon has it on sale soon...before they go "bank- rupt." :-) ] Bankrupt? Hopefully they will actually deliver on all of the pre-sold Clinton's, "My Life." tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." :-) "How I Kicked Seven Hostile Boxes," coming to a theater near you. Oh, heck and darn, Brian, now you have me curious and I have to start cadging copies of Daily Variety and Hollywood Reporter to find out the expected release date! :-( Action-filled scenes at night, no lights...as befits keeping the when and where a Secret! I wonder if someone will market little scowling action figures? One action figure, numerous interchangeable scowling faces. :-) LHA / WMD |
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writes: On 21 Jun 2004 21:42:13 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: No need. There's a cellular telephone subscription for one out of three U.S. citizens according to the U.S. Census Bureau. (cellphones are not Part 15 devices) CB radios number somewhere between 2 and 5 MILLION, estimated by NTIA. (CB is not under Part 15) I don't know how many FRS/GMRS HTs have been sold, but they are regular consumer electronics items as consumer electronics stores and are good for 5 to 10 miles communications range. (FRS isn't under Part 15 either) One-way communications has been provided in emergencies for decades by broadcasting (also not under Part 15). In real emergencies the Public Land Mobile Radio Service (PLMRS) radios have been invaluable for local government and utility and medical aid agencies. (PLMRS isn't under Part 15). I think maybe you're half right, Len. believe it or not, even my ham rigs are Part 15 devices and come with the usual Part 15 warning sticker on them. Part 15 regulations apply to INCIDENTAL EMITTERS such as receivers, data couplers (if you have software controlled anything as a peripheral) and so forth. The stickers are there by the manufacturer and are intended to make the buying public believe in the sanctity of the product. :-) Remember the radios and TV sets of old from brand [which] which said "For best results always use [which] tubes?" :-) The Parts of Title 47 C.F.R. that apply to various radio services are listed after a link on the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology page. Under those parts one gets a link to the GPO which has the PDF repros of all the Parts of Title 47. The current issue date at the GPO (Government Printing Office) for Title 47 is 1 October 2003. That facility is a lot better than buying the same thing in hardcopy from the GPO. The last of five volumes of Title 47 (Part 80 to end) cost more than $50 even if shipping costs are free. The GPO does accept VISA and Mastercard and can take orders over the phone for local GPO outlets. The transmitter on cell phones (which are radios, not telephones), CB rigs, FRS/GMRS/PLMRS radios, and ham rigs are covered under those portions of FCC regulations that authorize the user to operate the transmitter (part 95 for CB, part 97 for ham, etc.). However, the receiver portion of the device is covered under Part 15. True enough. Problem is, nursie doesn't know which Part is which and becomes emotionally unstable when opposed to any of his postings. It is very inaccurate to state anyone has "insisted unlicensed devices play a 'major' role" in emergencies. Those radios ARE used by emergency communications groups in real emergencies. As I said, I did not see the original posts, but I am aware of instances where such equipment is used by governmental and emergency services personnel, as well as by ARES/RACES and other "civilian" EmComm groups (like REACT). Nursie doesn't want to see that. The original ranting and raving against anything "unlicensed" came from a mild comment by Brian Burke in here over a month ago. There's two worlds being discussed in here. The major one is reality - where you and I live - and the fantasylands wherein all the existing radio communication infrastructure fails in any emergency, only ham radio being able to save the day. Not only that, REACT grew through CB radio and the fantasyland livers think that all CB is evil, wicked, mean, and nasty, unfit for proper morsemen to ever approach let alone use. CB is unlicensed, of course, therefore it isn't any good since no test need be passed to operate one. :-) You and I know that most real emergencies are very local in nature and those can be aided by relatively short-range radios having 2 to 15 mile ranges. Those can be any of the presently unlicensed radios as well as licensed, such as PLMRS. Unfortunately, the vast majority of messaging in here, other than the "learned" pontificating of political pundits, involves arguing the fantasyland worlds of the various angry PCTA or those who wish to seek gurudom of the newsgroup (and whose words are golden, never ever to be talked against). Unless one is a regular reader in here it is difficult to follow some threads...even those that don't evolve into the flame wars you see. :-) |
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: On 21 Jun 2004 21:42:13 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: No need. There's a cellular telephone subscription for one out of three U.S. citizens according to the U.S. Census Bureau. (cellphones are not Part 15 devices) CB radios number somewhere between 2 and 5 MILLION, estimated by NTIA. (CB is not under Part 15) I don't know how many FRS/GMRS HTs have been sold, but they are regular consumer electronics items as consumer electronics stores and are good for 5 to 10 miles communications range. (FRS isn't under Part 15 either) One-way communications has been provided in emergencies for decades by broadcasting (also not under Part 15). In real emergencies the Public Land Mobile Radio Service (PLMRS) radios have been invaluable for local government and utility and medical aid agencies. (PLMRS isn't under Part 15). I think maybe you're half right, Len. believe it or not, even my ham rigs are Part 15 devices and come with the usual Part 15 warning sticker on them. They are only under Part 15 for unwanted radiated emmissions, i.e. RF leakage from the case. The transmitter on cell phones (which are radios, not telephones), CB rigs, FRS/GMRS/PLMRS radios, and ham rigs are covered under those portions of FCC regulations that authorize the user to operate the transmitter (part 95 for CB, part 97 for ham, etc.). However, the receiver portion of the device is covered under Part 15. It is very inaccurate to state anyone has "insisted unlicensed devices play a 'major' role" in emergencies. Those radios ARE used by emergency communications groups in real emergencies. As I said, I did not see the original posts, but I am aware of instances where such equipment is used by governmental and emergency services personnel, as well as by ARES/RACES and other "civilian" EmComm groups (like REACT). 73 DE John D. Kasupski Tonawanda, New York, USA Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." I didn't. Jack Nicholson is in that one as an SP. Jack also played Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." [famous line in that pic... "You can't handle the truth!!!"] "You can't tell the truth!!!" would be more appropriate. And that crazy glint in his eye, as in "The Shining." I'm going to watch Amazon and Hollywood Video (the chain) for low-cost CDs of that movie. Darn good acting by all involved, even Tom Cruise. [I hope that Amazon has it on sale soon...before they go "bank- rupt." :-) ] Bankrupt? Hopefully they will actually deliver on all of the pre-sold Clinton's, "My Life." tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." :-) "How I Kicked Seven Hostile Boxes," coming to a theater near you. Oh, heck and darn, Brian, now you have me curious and I have to start cadging copies of Daily Variety and Hollywood Reporter to find out the expected release date! :-( Action-filled scenes at night, no lights...as befits keeping the when and where a Secret! I wonder if someone will market little scowling action figures? One action figure, numerous interchangeable scowling faces. |
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(Len Over 21) writes: In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." I didn't. Jack Nicholson is in that one as an SP. Jack also played Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." [famous line in that pic... "You can't handle the truth!!!"] "You can't tell the truth!!!" would be more appropriate. And that crazy glint in his eye, as in "The Shining." I'm going to watch Amazon and Hollywood Video (the chain) for low-cost CDs of that movie. Darn good acting by all involved, even Tom Cruise. [I hope that Amazon has it on sale soon...before they go "bank- rupt." :-) ] Bankrupt? Hopefully they will actually deliver on all of the pre-sold Clinton's, "My Life." tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." :-) "How I Kicked Seven Hostile Boxes," coming to a theater near you. Oh, heck and darn, Brian, now you have me curious and I have to start cadging copies of Daily Variety and Hollywood Reporter to find out the expected release date! :-( Action-filled scenes at night, no lights...as befits keeping the when and where a Secret! I wonder if someone will market little scowling action figures? One action figure, numerous interchangeable scowling faces. [oops...didn't complete that message!] I hope they have cute little interchangeable UNIFORMS to go with them. Scrubs, cammies, poopysuits, etc. That would make them "authentic." :-) LHA / WMD |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/21/2004 4:53 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On 21 Jun 2004 13:33:29 GMT, (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote: Yep - Puerto Rico CAP is their correct State Wing callsign. Like Florida CAP where you are, or WHITE PEAK where I am. I'm not in Florida. Hmmm...okay, I stand corrected. I don't know why, but for some reason, I thought you lived in Florida. shrug Nope....Other than working situations, have always been in Tennessee (since joining the forum) Certain other posters have "insisted" that those radio services are "major" contributors to "emergency comms". They have yet to establish any validity for those claims. I didn't see the original posts on that, but if you've accurately summarized what was said, then I would also be interested in learning of the specifics. Refer to Brain Burke, N0MIND...I mean Brian Burke, N0IMD...He's the progentiator of that bit of silliness. I'm personally aware of some areas where there are Neighborhood Watch groups using FRS radios, and at least one where an ARES group uses GMRS to communicate with the local NW group on FRS (the first seven channels are the same freqs). Yes, those services ARE used...The point here is "major role". Those are great ancilliary tools for end-users. They do not play a "major role" in "emergency comms". I'm also personally aware of instances where FRS radios are used by ARES/RACES personnel or by government or emergency services personnel. The only instance I know of FRS/GMRS bveing used by them is as a liasion with non-Amateur services...quite practical, actually. I am not personally aware of any instances where the regular users of FRS, GMRS, MURS, and the other Part 15 services are written into the disaster plans for a given locality, except in the case of REACT groups using equipment for those services. In the sense of having families who use FRS radios at the mall to help keep track of the kids being written into emergency communications contingency planning, or folks who use GMRS or MUR for similar purposes, no, I've never seen or heard of that being done. That of course doesn't mean it hasn't been done somewhere, just that if it has, I haven't heard of it - I'd like to hear about it if someone's got specifics on one or more cases where this has been done, though. Colorado Wing, Civil Air Patrol logged a rescue of several stranded hikers last summer who were in a deep, tree covered ravine. One of the hikers made it to a road, but couldn't retrace his course. The FRS radios were used to contact them and locate them...Worked like a champ. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." I didn't. Jack Nicholson is in that one as an SP. Jack also played Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." [famous line in that pic... "You can't handle the truth!!!"] "You can't tell the truth!!!" would be more appropriate. And that crazy glint in his eye, as in "The Shining." I'm going to watch Amazon and Hollywood Video (the chain) for low-cost CDs of that movie. Darn good acting by all involved, even Tom Cruise. [I hope that Amazon has it on sale soon...before they go "bank- rupt." :-) ] Bankrupt? Hopefully they will actually deliver on all of the pre-sold Clinton's, "My Life." Hmmmm. Maybe that's how it got on the best seller list already. They never intended to deliver, and all of the orders thru Amazon just go away. Anyway, saying it is a best seller (without any actual delivieries) just might make it sell better. tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." :-) "How I Kicked Seven Hostile Boxes," coming to a theater near you. Oh, heck and darn, Brian, now you have me curious and I have to start cadging copies of Daily Variety and Hollywood Reporter to find out the expected release date! :-( Action-filled scenes at night, no lights...as befits keeping the when and where a Secret! I wonder if someone will market little scowling action figures? One action figure, numerous interchangeable scowling faces. [oops...didn't complete that message!] I hope they have cute little interchangeable UNIFORMS to go with them. Scrubs, cammies, poopysuits, etc. That would make them "authentic." :-) LHA / WMD And all the little incitations and, errr, I meant citations and medals. You don't have to earn them, just have your mom and dad buy them, or get them free out of specially marked boxes of Froot Loops. |
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In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Sucks to be you...again. Tsk, tsk, tsk...not only dissing and cussing, but very bad sentence structure. Try some remedial English classes. During the day since you abhor night classes. It would make a remarkable difference in improving your written communications. Temper fry... LHA / WMD It's all a part of his "tuff guy" self-image. The only problem is the rest of us don't see a tough guy. He's just another Walter Mitty wannabe. "Sir, First General Order: I will beep my key in a military manner, keeping always on the alert for the NCI, dissing and cussing those within sight and hearing. Sir!" |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/21/2004 6:10 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ writes: I think maybe you're half right, Len. believe it or not, even my ham rigs are Part 15 devices and come with the usual Part 15 warning sticker on them. Part 15 regulations apply to INCIDENTAL EMITTERS such as receivers, data couplers (if you have software controlled anything as a peripheral) and so forth. They also pertain to INTENTIONAL EMMITERS, including those who operate license free walkie talkies, "broadcast transmitters", etc. Of course you know this...You've "threatened" to get on 20 meters with a Part 15 legal "station" before. You never carried through, though...Just like a dozen other "promises"... Steve, K4YZ |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/21/2004 6:10 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ writes: I think maybe you're half right, Len. believe it or not, even my ham rigs are Part 15 devices and come with the usual Part 15 warning sticker on them. Part 15 regulations apply to INCIDENTAL EMITTERS such as receivers, data couplers (if you have software controlled anything as a peripheral) and so forth. They also pertain to INTENTIONAL EMMITERS, including those who operate license free walkie talkies, "broadcast transmitters", etc. Now, don't tell us you actually downloaded Part 15?!? You had somebody help you navigate there, didn't you? Fess up. You are too ANGRY and emotional to navigate the web by yourself. Of course you know this...You've "threatened" to get on 20 meters with a Part 15 legal "station" before. No, not "threatened." DID it many times. All the HF ham bands from 80m on up to 10m using an antenna impedance analyzer. Radiating RF as all such analyzers do. Also at LEGAL RF power levels. You could have discerned this from a particular Ham Radio magazine article that described programs for an HP-25 pocket scientific calculator to measure antenna impedance, coaxial cable characteristics, etc., using an RF Noise Bridge. Another Anderson did translation of those HP-25 programs to Texas Instruments (forward notation arithmetic, not RPN) and that was published. But, in your usual warm, witty, nice-guy manner, you will diss and cuss, call names, and generally come unglued all about a 22-year independent ham publication being "defunct" and worthless and then say I "cut-and-pasted from others' works." :-) You never carried through, though...Just like a dozen other "promises"... What are those "dozen other promises" nursie? Did I sign any "promisory note?" A contract? In lots of years of existance, I've changed my mind several times. Back in 1952 I was working as a commercial illustrator and decided to voluntarily enlist the U.S. Army. That exposure - to really BIG HF comms - changed my mind. After studying commercial illustration out here (Art Center School of Design, old campus on 3rd Street, not the present one in Pasadena) I changed to engineering. Never looked back. Worked in aerospace here since 1956, got experience, got schooling, got responsibilty in design work, had to do the field engineering thing from time to time that forced attendance in night classes (all properly accredited) to make up for day class absences. Difficult to do that when having to work at regular day jobs. After my first wife died (brief marriage) I promised myself I would never get married again, be a bachelor. Was one a long time. Then I got re-acquainted with my high school sweetheart after a long total absence and "broke that promise!" ["broke" in the nursieworld term, a near capital crime in that strange fantasyland] Best man at my wedding was Al Walston...he's still around, still has callsign W6MJN. Sunnuvagun! How about that? Nursie, you've dissed, cussed, called vile names on everything I've written about in here. Problem you have - besides the angry, rampant demonstrated sociopathy - is that all I've written is factual, can be referenced by documents held by others or by others still living who were there, with me at the times I've told about. That's the terrible mountain of truth you cannot climb. Life isn't established at birth with some ironclad specification that all must, forever hold to some "promises" made long ago or even yesterday. Events and experiences happen that will change conditions, change opinions, change minds, and lots of those happenings aren't in our control. We have to ride them out, survive. We CAN survive WITHOUT being always angry at others or trying to tear down others for having opposite opinions or more wide-ranging experiences. Sadly, you've chosen to remain angry, to insult others who've expressed opposite opinions, tried to tear down what they've accomplished (and been able to validly reference). You've tried to bully, demoralize, denigrate others by some strange game of newsgroup "conquest" game, yourself telling outright lies and distortions of truth without being able to reference such. That hasn't worked. Your perceived "enemies" are still here. This should not be a forum to express personal hatred of others, but you do an observable job of turning it into one. You have NO authority to force anyone to your wishes, yet you continue to demand such while insulting everyone who does not "obey" you. For that, you get no respect, no honor, nothing but emptiness from readers who won't bother to come in as participants in this forum. This newsgroup could cover some important issues in amateur radio. Access BPL is a spectre looming in the near future to inhibit the HF communications world. Is there any discussion of that? No, very little. Things segue to petty political polarization involving presidential candidates, shouting and hollering, each party calling the other an "evil" that must be eradicated or mankind is doomed. Silly stuff. Docket 04-140 is being commented on for some (relatively) minor changes in Part 97. Any comments on that? No. No less than 18 Petitions have been filed on much larger changes in Amateur regulations...yet all the "discussion" is one-sided insult fest of all the status-quoists desperately trying to maintain regulations as they were, at all costs, through personal insults against those advocating change. Change WILL happen. All the vile name-calling, angry shouts and veiled threats won't stop it. Change can't be stopped, but it can be steered, directed into new vectors that are more navigable, better suited for the majority and those yet to enter the activity. |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Sucks to be you...again. Tsk, tsk, tsk...not only dissing and cussing, but very bad sentence structure. Try some remedial English classes. During the day since you abhor night classes. It would make a remarkable difference in improving your written communications. Temper fry... LHA / WMD It's all a part of his "tuff guy" self-image. The only problem is the rest of us don't see a tough guy. He's just another Walter Mitty wannabe. "Sir, First General Order: I will beep my key in a military manner, keeping always on the alert for the NCI, dissing and cussing those within sight and hearing. Sir!" Yes SIR! [geez, I forgot the "sir" part...been away too long from the military (since 1989 and lovely Fort Irwin, heh heh)] Gosh, Brian, we be "drudges" according to a high-society civilian (king of the katapults) who dines with Captains and then shoots bears for navel intelligence while on navel maneuvers. Got an extra frag grenade? I think I need some practice there, too. Need to prune down the wild growth on the chain of command in here. :-) No sweat on BASS...had that down just dandy a long time ago when the sight picture steadied down and "a few ounces of finger pressure" reached out and touched the bull. Lots of "bull" in here. All paper tigers, too, just like paper targets. Too bad you "were not in Somalia" and I was just a "rear area radio clerk" but ol grizzled gunnery nurse did "seven hostile actions!" [he "has it in his wallet"] {probably along with that elastomeric thing that is ready for more "action"] I wonder where "Mogandishu" is? I don't think it is in Somalia. I've heard of Mogadishu" but nursie keeps mumbling about "Mogandishu"... Sorry, I meandered. Forgot this newsgroup is supposed to concentrate on presidential politics and how evil, wicked, mean and nasty them Dems are. Too bad this newsgroup couldn't discuss amateur radio matters or serious issues like Broadband over Power Lines or the upcoming rules changes in Part 97. I think this newsgrope is only for licensed political amateur operators, all of whom have credentials in economics, politics, and statesmanship, plus much experience IN office! Yeah, that's it: Rec.republican.amateur.professionals! Beep, beep |
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Best of luck - you're going to have to google everything up to provide the Security Detail with "proof." See "Cinderella Liberty." I didn't. Jack Nicholson is in that one as an SP. Jack also played Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men." [famous line in that pic... "You can't handle the truth!!!"] "You can't tell the truth!!!" would be more appropriate. And that crazy glint in his eye, as in "The Shining." I'm going to watch Amazon and Hollywood Video (the chain) for low-cost CDs of that movie. Darn good acting by all involved, even Tom Cruise. [I hope that Amazon has it on sale soon...before they go "bank- rupt." :-) ] Bankrupt? Hopefully they will actually deliver on all of the pre-sold Clinton's, "My Life." Hmmmm. Maybe that's how it got on the best seller list already. They never intended to deliver, and all of the orders thru Amazon just go away. Anyway, saying it is a best seller (without any actual delivieries) just might make it sell better. Dunno about "My Life," but Rev. Jimmie Who said a few years back that Amazon was going bankrupt or something about "no profit." Amazon sure does a LOT of advertising for a "non-profit" company. I'm glad my wife got her order delivered last week before Amazon went under. [free shipping again...too bad the League couldn't do that when commercial companies did] tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any Recon Marine intel patrolling? Maybe he was a "box kicker." :-) "How I Kicked Seven Hostile Boxes," coming to a theater near you. Oh, heck and darn, Brian, now you have me curious and I have to start cadging copies of Daily Variety and Hollywood Reporter to find out the expected release date! :-( Action-filled scenes at night, no lights...as befits keeping the when and where a Secret! I wonder if someone will market little scowling action figures? One action figure, numerous interchangeable scowling faces. [oops...didn't complete that message!] I hope they have cute little interchangeable UNIFORMS to go with them. Scrubs, cammies, poopysuits, etc. That would make them "authentic." :-) LHA / WMD And all the little incitations and, errr, I meant citations and medals. You don't have to earn them, just have your mom and dad buy them, or get them free out of specially marked boxes of Froot Loops. "Supply Sergeant" has a website. Anyone can get those geegaws. And uniforms. Even if they didn't, anyone can join the good 'ol boys in the TN STATE guard, meet once a month and act like sojers in da woods. Gunnery nurse said "I couldn't possibly have one of my four ribbons" because those weren't issued after WW2. Strange, I just looked in the closet and there it was, still with the other three just like it was in 1956. Well, nursie say you weren't in Somalia, either. Not nice thing to say. His fantasyland apparently doesn't have such a territory but reality does. Fantasyland has lots and lots of "credentials" all with lovely flowery borders on nice paper (suitable for framing) but it don't got a First Phone (commercial) there in light blue. Commercial licenses must not exist in nursieworld. Wonder if nursie ever got that "military handset" to go with the paramilitary pack special from SGC on an SG-2020 kit? Would be real boss to have him do GOTA in cammies, helmet, with a real (first time) military handset that can slide up inside the helmet when pressed to the ear. He can do "military comms" almost for real on FD! Maybe Amazon will have a special DVD on that event...before they go bankrupt (again)? |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/22/2004 8:30 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: At the Thunder Over Niagara airshow a few years ago, members of one of the local CAP groups (I believe it was a cadet wing) were using FRS radios in the performance of their duties at the show (directing traffic in parking lots, serving as gophers for the adults from the composite wing at the info booth, and they also had a hamburger and hotdog stand going). I asked one of them about it, and he told me they used those little FRS radios a lot, even trained with them for SAR. CAP has had a lot of in-fighting about FRS. Since FRS is "civilian" and we are under NTIA, there's been a lot of arguing about the legalities of it. Part of the argument has been cooled off by CAP's acceptance of the use of FRS for non-USAF missions and "public service" activites. The other half has been cooled off by NTIA's authorization of our access to ISR. Altho still pricy by FRS standards (About $80/piece) CAP units can buy the ICOM ISR radio and use it without any restrictions for CAP purposes. Some Wings are allowing individuals to buy thier own and even have a buy-back program for those who decide to leave the program. It's illegal for private use. So the guys I met at NF aren't the only CAP personnel equipped with and using FRS. Motorola (or someone) must appreciate the business, because for SAR work they're probably NOT going out and buying the cheapest radios they can find (or at least I hope they aren't). I'm not sure if the CO event was with a CAP-owned device or if it was one borrowed for the purpose. Communications with persons in distress is the only time a CAP unit can communicate via FRS while on-mission. The other EmComm group I'm with (other than Erie County ARES/RACES), which is the public service and emcomm team sponsored by the ham radio club I am a member of, is also starting to equip with the combined FRS/GMRS portables that have been hitting the market recently. Our thinking is quite simply, if it is capable of maintaining comms (with hams and non-hams) it might come in handy, and at the inexpensive prices these can be had for, it's worth the investment since you never know when something like that will come in handy. Yep. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Change WILL happen. All the vile name-calling, angry shouts and veiled threats won't stop it. Change can't be stopped, but it can be steered, directed into new vectors that are more navigable, better suited for the majority and those yet to enter the activity. Yes, it will. Too bad it's happening despite you instead of with you, eh...???? Steve, K4YZ |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Change WILL happen. All the vile name-calling, angry shouts and veiled threats won't stop it. Change can't be stopped, but it can be steered, directed into new vectors that are more navigable, better suited for the majority and those yet to enter the activity. Yes, it will. Too bad it's happening despite you instead of with you, eh...???? Nursie be idiot. Still. Idiot just doesn't understand my original purpose about amateur radio policy. Nursie never will, too determined to FIGHT with anyone who disagrees (even the slightest) with him. Tsk, tsk. Those who want to FIGHT all the time just aren't right in the head...aren't like average, normal folks. No "degree" or pretty license document needed to see that. Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Despite your FIGHT-challenging Phrazors, no one needs to be some kind of federal merit badge in amaterism to talk, discuss, or consider laws and regulations on radio subjects. That sort of demand is for weak-minded idiots who can't debate anything requiring intellect above and beyond 16 neurons. Nursie, you don't show any evidence of being able to intellectualize a damn thing. You can be shown government documents defining describing and detailing a radio service and you still REFUSE to accept that. You call all who disagree with you for "liars." You want to have physical confrontations with some who disagree with you. In short, all you want to do in here is FIGHT. That's insane. Get some help. Get some tranquilizers. Whatever. It's tiring to come into this forum and finding you FIGHTING with others all the time, talking crazy things. Nuts. |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Idiot just doesn't understand my original purpose about amateur radio policy. Nursie never will, too determined to FIGHT with anyone who disagrees (even the slightest) with him. Tsk, tsk. I understand fine, Lennie. You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. No problem. I understand fine. Here's MY "purpose"...It's a proven fact that those who bark the loudest or longest are usually the one's who get the most attention. You have taken it upon yourself to try and discredit ANY contributions to technology, public service, emergency communications or education and training that Amateur Radio offers. It's vile, repugnant, and untruthful. As long as you deem it your "purpose" to do so, I will do MY best to expose you for the antagonist and mistruthful putz that you are. It's not fighting, Lennie. It's self defense. It really is THAT simple. Those who want to FIGHT all the time just aren't right in the head...aren't like average, normal folks. No "degree" or pretty license document needed to see that. Then you're admitting you have a problem, Lennie? You're up to YOUR neck in fighting. You intentionally harass a group of people involved in a practice that you clearly have no vested interest in nor do you have anything constructive to offer. Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means. Seems to me you're the one who brought the fight in, Lennie. You were offered SEVERAL apologies and offers to move on, but your answers were clearly designed to simply perpetuate an argument. You have nothing to offer. Never did...never will...Your only "argument" is that other radio services don't use Morse Code, ergo Amateur Radio should not. Proof once again that you dont understand a lot of what Amateur Radio is about. But that's just par for the course. Despite your FIGHT-challenging Phrazors, no one needs to be some kind of federal merit badge in amaterism to talk, discuss, or consider laws and regulations on radio subjects. That sort of demand is for weak-minded idiots who can't debate anything requiring intellect above and beyond 16 neurons. The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. You don't. You are still determined to see that Amateur Radio heels to your barked order despite having no real idea of what Amateur Radio is or what it's really all about, save for what you read on websites. Amateur Radio is NOT the "aerospace industry". Amatuer Radio is NOT PLMRS, GMRS, FRS or MURS. Amateur Radio is NOT military communications. Amateur Radio is NOT "commercial" or "professional" communications. I'd dare say that everyone else in this forum EXCEPT you knows those things and accepts them, yet you keep trying to force Amateur Radio into one of those molds. It won't work. Nursie, you don't show any evidence of being able to intellectualize a damn thing. You can be shown government documents defining describing and detailing a radio service and you still REFUSE to accept that. You call all who disagree with you for "liars." You want to have physical confrontations with some who disagree with you. In short, all you want to do in here is FIGHT. That's insane. The only thing here "insane", Lennie, is your refusal to act your age. And that's considerable. I already acknowledged the enabling directives of MARS. They are not in question. YOU are the idiot for trying to argue that they are. MARS, without the thousands of volunteer Amateurs who man it, would not be able to carry out those duties those directives require. Period. Only a major manpower restructuring in the Armed Forces would allow it, and under present circumstances, that is highly unlikely. And I don't need to "intellectualize" anything. (Nice touch, byt the way, Lennie...lamenting my allegedged inability to "intellectualize" with yet more profanity...THAT was truly "intellectual") As for being a liar, Lennie, if you would tell the truth and stop your antgonistic constructs, I wouldn't have anything to work with. You have been repeatedly caught not telling the truth. You make accusations and assertions you cannot/will not substantiate. You assert that you intend to do things, but then never do them. Get some help. Get some tranquilizers. Whatever. It's tiring to come into this forum and finding you FIGHTING with others all the time, talking crazy things. Nuts. Then stop posting obviously inflammatory, profane, obnoxious and incorrect stuff, Lennie. We don't care how well you can candy coat your rants with cut-and-pastes from other websites. Life DOES exist outside of websites, although you seem to insist that if it's "on the website", that's the end of it. How foolish. We don't care about how many messages you watched flash across the teleprinter in 1953, or how many jobs you held. We don't care about some articles you had published in a magazine that failed, nor do we care about your manufactured experiences in aviation or emergency communications. You have zero-point-zero experience in Amateur Radio. None. You accuse ME of doing nothing but "fighting", yet name calling, accusations and harrassment is ALL you have rendered up, even to those who treat you with respect or patience. Sorry you can't be happy, Lennie. Steve, K4YZ |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/22/2004 8:30 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: At the Thunder Over Niagara airshow a few years ago, members of one of the local CAP groups (I believe it was a cadet wing) were using FRS radios in the performance of their duties at the show (directing traffic in parking lots, serving as gophers for the adults from the composite wing at the info booth, and they also had a hamburger and hotdog stand going). I asked one of them about it, and he told me they used those little FRS radios a lot, even trained with them for SAR. CAP has had a lot of in-fighting about FRS. Since FRS is "civilian" and we are under NTIA, there's been a lot of arguing about the legalities of it. "Legalities?!?" :-) For an unlicensed radio service?!? Maybe nursie suggest using MARS. No, can't do that, nursie say "MARS IS amateur radio!" :-) Nursie made an "ace" of himself again. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Idiot just doesn't understand my original purpose about amateur radio policy. Nursie never will, too determined to FIGHT with anyone who disagrees (even the slightest) with him. Tsk, tsk. I understand fine, Lennie. Nursie not understand. You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Except to a few, such as nursie. Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Nursie only represent himself. Nursie is also obsessive-compulsive personality hater unable to control himself in here when opposed by anyone. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. I do not "antagonize the rest of 'you'" unless the "rest" are just alternate personalities of nursie. I DO antagonize the conservative traditionalists, the status-quoists who demand everything in a hobby conform to their personal desires. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. No problem. I understand fine. Nursie not have enough neurons to connect "understanding." Nursie just wanna FIGHT. Here's MY "purpose"...It's a proven fact that those who bark the loudest or longest are usually the one's who get the most attention. Nursie just wanna FIGHT. Nursie FIGHT anyone who have opposite opinions of nursie's. Bark, bark, bark, little nursie. You have taken it upon yourself to try and discredit ANY contributions to technology, public service, emergency communications or education and training that Amateur Radio offers. Praising Peter Martinez for innovating PSK31 isn't "discrediting." An excellent adaptation of coding theory and hardware to produce a minimal-bandwidth on-line teleprinting in the same bandspace as manual telegraphy. Praising Dan Tayloe for his novel mixer excellent for minimal-parts DC receiver use isn't "discrediting." [patent is still pending but it has been written up in industry journals - RF Design magazine] Praising Mike Gingell for his polyphase network that enables SSB generation-demodulation with excellent unwanted sideband suppression using relatively coarse-tolerance components is not "discrediting." [Mike Gingell earned a PhD for that work back in the UK, now lives in the USA] There is nothing at all "discrediting" about showing FANTASIES to be fantasies of the imagination. Nursieworld is full of fantasies. Education in the radio arts is not accomplished by pretending that amateur radio is some paramilitary service organization or that memorizing the advertisements and radio reviews in QST is "learning" what happens behind the front panels...or that amateur radio "always comes to the rescue during emergencies when all the other radio infrastructure 'fails.'" It's vile, repugnant, and untruthful. Living a life of fantasy is simply delusional. It serves no one, not even the fantasy believer. As long as you deem it your "purpose" to do so, I will do MY best to expose you for the antagonist and mistruthful putz that you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie back into name-calling mode, trying to "win" newsgrope arguments by some kind of "show of force." Every issue under discussion has many sides. One side, the one nursie believes, is NOT divinely ordained to be only the True one. Sad for nursie, but true. Nursie abhors opposition, wants to dominate, wants to win at all costs, wants to FIGHT. United States amateur radio is not a military organization whose purpose is to fight for the country. United States amateur radio is a non-pecuniary avocational activity involving radio. It is a hobby, an enjoyable hobby for most participants...but a substitute military service for a very few such as nursie. It's not fighting, Lennie. It's self defense. Nursie only FIGHTING for his own twisted ego. It really is THAT simple. True, except nursie no see own obsessive-compulsive behavior syndrome. Those who want to FIGHT all the time just aren't right in the head...aren't like average, normal folks. No "degree" or pretty license document needed to see that. Then you're admitting you have a problem, Lennie? No "problem" here except nursie wasting everyone's time by pretending to be a "representative" of U.S. amateur radio and "defending it" against all nursie-perceived "enemies of the state." Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie on bad route to self-righteousness. Very bumpy for nursie, hope she is wearing an athletic bra for safety... You're up to YOUR neck in fighting. ...by entering this newsgroup, EVERYONE enters an arena of outraged PCTAs busy trying to preserve the honor and glory of a soon-to-be DEFUNCT communications mode. It is a FIGHT arena inhabited by punch-drunk olde-fahrts thinking they are all Rocky running up the museum steps to stirring music. :-) Nursie be outraged, very bent out of shape when encountering strong personalities who don't agree with him/her. Poor nursie. Nursie go to signpost, point to Twilight Zone and say he/she is representing all amateurs, therefore any opposition to nursie be dishonor, discredit, evil, wicked, mean, and nasty to every single 700+ thousand U.S. amateur radio licensees! Nursie got bad, bad obsessive-compulsive disorder. Must be post-traumatic stress disorder from all those "hostile actions" in the service. Nursie is nuts. You intentionally harass a group of people involved in a practice that you clearly have no vested interest in nor do you have anything constructive to offer. Poor nursie, still bent out of shape. Nursie not playing well with others. Typical traditionalist-conservative status-quoists with an ego complex larger than Cheyenne Mountain. They not understand that amateur radio cannot remain in the shape it was when all those olde-fahrts were young. OFs out of shape but pretending they are still young. Seems to me you're the one who brought the fight in, Lennie. Only to those poor ego-driven souls who abhor change is there any "fight." Only to those traditionalist-conservative status-quoists does change represent some kind of "fight" that must be done to preserve their fantasies. To anyone else it is simply debate. Amateur radio regulations were established by people, not gods or chiefs of stuff of some paramilitary organization. Regulations, standards and procedures all evolved, changed with time. That will continue to change as time goes on. There is NO divine purpose to stop change. Change is opposed by those who managed to meet OLD standards and procedures of long ago. They cannot, will not adjust. They fear change. Change manifests insecurity for them. Or, they are so ego-driven that they fantasize their individual accomplishments as so mighty and noble that they think of themselves as role-models for all. You were offered SEVERAL apologies and offers to move on, but your answers were clearly designed to simply perpetuate an argument. No. Not on record. Nursie has not admitted that either of his statements about MARS being amateur radio are wrong, nor has he/she ever admitted to reading any of the military documents defining and explaining MARS...nor has nursie identified any part of Title 47 C.F.R. defining MARS as a civilian radio service. Nursie has never revealed the when and where of any claimed military "hostile action" yet demands full and complete disclosure of all others...for any claim. Nursie be a hypocrite. Nursie continually insults others' private and professional lives clearly designed to induce word FIGHTING and then tries to say "others did it first!" Nursie be an insulter and hypocrite. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. You have nothing to offer. Nursie make imperious demand. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie not moderator in here. Nursie not moderate. Nursie stuck on one train of thought, not understand derailment of long ago. Never did...never will...Your only "argument" is that other radio services don't use Morse Code, ergo Amateur Radio should not. Quite incorrect. Error. False. Arguments against retaining the amateur radio code test have been multiple and many. They are on file with the FCC and may be viewed by any of the public. Over 90 filings there concerning the manual telegraphy test elimination. Proof once again that you dont understand a lot of what Amateur Radio is about. Nursie have personal fantasy of "what amateur radio is all about." Few understand nursie's fantasy. I do not...can only describe symptoms of nursie's obsessive-compulsive behavior and constant activity of personally insulting all who disagree with nursie. Amateur radio is well explained in many places, not a secret thing revealed only to a hierarchy of nobles. Nursie not noble, is his own hierarchy. Amateur radio is many many things to many many people. Nursie not only one, not nobly or godly to say nursie "represent" all those many. But that's just par for the course. Amateur radio is not golf. Amateur radio doesn't have the balls for it. :-) The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. ...and a very large fantasy in addition to pretty certificates (suitable for framing). FCC not require staff or commissioners to be radio amateurs in order to regulate amateur radio in USA. Nursie have god-like fantasies of control, to have nursie opinions that of all amateur radio. Nursie be nuts. You don't. Never said I did. :-) Just the same, I was on the staff of Ham Radio magazine after being an author-contributor. At the mention of that, nursie will go immediately into ATTACK mode, all safeties off, insulting all the staff of HR for being a "defunct" publication...even after 22 years of existance as a self-sustaining independent periodical for radio amateurs. Nursie will then change gears and say I cribbed all information ("cut and paste" in his words) and had "none of my own." Nursie not understand any of the articles, too much intellect for him, therefore author become "enemy of state" to be destroyed (by any means possible). Poor nursie. You are still determined to see that Amateur Radio heels to your barked order despite having no real idea of what Amateur Radio is or what it's really all about, save for what you read on websites. "Heels to my barked orders?!?!?" :-) Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie do word-phrase stealing. Plagiarism from my postings. :-) Nursie think amateur radio all about manual telegraphy or code testing? Not so. Elimination of code test is my main concern. That is happening. Very slowly but it is happening. First break in mighty Amateur damn was in 1990. Small trickle of no-coders entered ham radio in 1991, are now the largest class group in U.S. amateur radio. Sunnuvagun! How about that? 2003 saw another break at the WRC. 18 Petitions concerning code testing now awaiting an NPRM at the FCC. Change IS happening. Nursie hates that, upsets fantasy. Poor nursie. Amateur Radio is NOT the "aerospace industry". Amatuer Radio is NOT PLMRS, GMRS, FRS or MURS. Not even amateur? :-) Amateur Radio is NOT military communications. NO?!? Which is it? Is MARS amateur radio or is it military radio? Amateur Radio is NOT "commercial" or "professional" communications. Amateur radio operates by the same physics as every other radio service. True. It's in all the textbooks. Amateur radio is the last venue for manual telegraphy. Pity the OFs whose world is coming to an end with elimination of the code test. Boo hoo. I'd dare say that everyone else in this forum EXCEPT you knows those things and accepts them, yet you keep trying to force Amateur Radio into one of those molds. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Electrons, fields, and waves don't respect human egos nor government licenses. They keep on truckin to their own laws. Won't work in nursieworld fantasies. Poor nursie. It won't work. Electrons, fields, and waves DO work in reality. Regulations are needed BECAUSE they don't obey human laws. Tsk, tsk. The only thing here "insane", Lennie, is your refusal to act your age. And that's considerable. Poor baby. Can't argue with grown-ups anymore? :-) Nursie imagine being a six-year old extra? :-) Difficult for me to act six years old. But, a lot of folks in here do. Too bad. I already acknowledged the enabling directives of MARS. And how was that done? Must have been by private courier or other means "obscuring the information." :-) If amateur radio goes away, MARS can remain. All that is required of DoD is then to update Directive 4650.2. :-) They are not in question. Yes they are. Nursie gotta ADMIT he was wrong. [unlikely to happen, but it might be an Event if so... :-) ] YOU are the idiot for trying to argue that they are. No. If anything nasty be said about me, it is because I keep on opposing fantasies blabbered by nursie. :-) MARS, without the thousands of volunteer Amateurs who man it, would not be able to carry out those duties those directives require. Period. MARS has done well WITHOUT those volunteers in exercise Grecian Firebolt 2002. They are still doing so in 2004. Sunnuvagun! How about that? Only a major manpower restructuring in the Armed Forces would allow it, and under present circumstances, that is highly unlikely. Okay, Chief of Stuff, explain THAT gem? The U.S. military has a very large communications organization that is done by military personnel. Doesn't involve MARS at all. Does all the tactical and strategic communications for the military. Very big. Army Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. MARS can go away today and not impact any missions of the U.S. military. And I don't need to "intellectualize" anything. You don't seem to be able to do that. All the readers see is you personally insulting others who differ with your godlike opinions. As for being a liar, Lennie, if you would tell the truth and stop your antgonistic constructs, I wouldn't have anything to work with. You have been repeatedly caught not telling the truth. "Truth" in nursieworld definition is 'anything nursie thinks.' That's not of reality, but then neither is nursie intellect. You make accusations and assertions you cannot/will not substantiate. Another redefinition. Tsk, tsk. Anything, however slight, against nursie opinions are considered "accusations and assertions" in nursieworld. Yawn. You assert that you intend to do things, but then never do them. I'm still working on anti-gravity, still being held down by something. Then stop posting obviously inflammatory, profane, obnoxious and incorrect stuff, Lennie. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursieworld must be a strange place, glad I can't enter it to see such redefinitions of words! :-) We don't care how well you can candy coat your rants with cut-and-pastes from other websites. Life DOES exist outside of websites, although you seem to insist that if it's "on the website", that's the end of it. How foolish. Nursieworld must not have an Internet. Has lots of fantasies, though. We don't care about how many messages you watched flash across the teleprinter in 1953, or how many jobs you held. We don't care about some articles you had published in a magazine that failed, nor do we care about your manufactured experiences in aviation or emergency communications. Nursie just doesn't want opposite opinions! Everyone with opposite opinions LIES! :-) Nursie = nuts. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Except to a few, such as nursie. How would you know, Leonard? I think Steve enjoys amateur radio. I know that Jim Miccolis and Brian Kelly enjoy amateur radio. I'm still filled with enthusiasm for amateur radio. How are you enjoying all that amateur radio has to offer? Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Nursie only represent himself. If Steve has an amateur radio license, he certainly represents at least a part of amateur radio in the U.S. It is a cinch that you don't represent amateur radio. You don't hold an amateur license. Nursie is also obsessive-compulsive personality hater unable to control himself in here when opposed by anyone. The name "Leonard" could easily be substituted above. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. I do not "antagonize the rest of 'you'" unless the "rest" are just alternate personalities of nursie. I DO antagonize the conservative traditionalists, the status-quoists who demand everything in a hobby conform to their personal desires. So anyone who holds a conservative view or who supports or respects amateur radio's traditions becomes a target for your silliness. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. Thus anyone who doesn't agree with your views of how amateur radio should be regulated becomes a control freak dictator. On the other hand, we have you, a non-participant in amateur radio, who'd like to tell us who should be able to become a radio amateur and what areas should be tested. What descriptive term can you come up with for an individual with your characteristics? Living a life of fantasy is simply delusional. It serves no one, not even the fantasy believer. I tend to agree with you, Len. So what do we do about your fantasy that you're somehow involved in amateur radio? Every issue under discussion has many sides. One side, the one nursie believes, is NOT divinely ordained to be only the True one. Sad for nursie, but true. Not every issue has many sides, Len. Let's take the following as an example: Leonard H. Anderson is not a participant in amateur radio. That one seems divinely ordained as truth. Nursie abhors opposition, wants to dominate, wants to win at all costs, wants to FIGHT. If we sub "Leonard" for "Nursie", we'd have a fairly accurate view of your puerile behavior. United States amateur radio is not a military organization whose purpose is to fight for the country. It matters not, Len. Whatever amateur radio is or is not, you have nothing to do with it. ...by entering this newsgroup, EVERYONE enters an arena of outraged PCTAs busy trying to preserve the honor and glory of a soon-to-be DEFUNCT communications mode. It is a FIGHT arena inhabited by punch-drunk olde-fahrts thinking they are all Rocky running up the museum steps to stirring music. :-) And there we have it, your view of the situation. As the oldest fart present and, to my knowledge, the only non-radio amateur, you'd best go into training. You might want to start with some Mantovani and work your way up to the stirring music. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. Seems to me that the above is quite descriptive of your actions, Len. Amateur radio is not golf. Amateur radio doesn't have the balls for it. :-) Apparently, neither do you. The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. ...and a very large fantasy in addition to pretty certificates (suitable for framing). FCC not require staff or commissioners to be radio amateurs in order to regulate amateur radio in USA. As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, FCC staffers and commissioners are paid to regulate amateur radio. You don't regulate amateur radio. You aren't an FCC staffer or commissioner. You aren't a participant in amateur radio. Dave K8MN |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Except to a few, such as nursie. How would you know, Leonard? I think Steve enjoys amateur radio. I know that Jim Miccolis and Brian Kelly enjoy amateur radio. I'm still filled with enthusiasm for amateur radio. How are you enjoying all that amateur radio has to offer? Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Nursie only represent himself. If Steve has an amateur radio license, he certainly represents at least a part of amateur radio in the U.S. It is a cinch that you don't represent amateur radio. You don't hold an amateur license. Nursie is also obsessive-compulsive personality hater unable to control himself in here when opposed by anyone. The name "Leonard" could easily be substituted above. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. I do not "antagonize the rest of 'you'" unless the "rest" are just alternate personalities of nursie. I DO antagonize the conservative traditionalists, the status-quoists who demand everything in a hobby conform to their personal desires. So anyone who holds a conservative view or who supports or respects amateur radio's traditions becomes a target for your silliness. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. Thus anyone who doesn't agree with your views of how amateur radio should be regulated becomes a control freak dictator. On the other hand, we have you, a non-participant in amateur radio, who'd like to tell us who should be able to become a radio amateur and what areas should be tested. What descriptive term can you come up with for an individual with your characteristics? Living a life of fantasy is simply delusional. It serves no one, not even the fantasy believer. I tend to agree with you, Len. So what do we do about your fantasy that you're somehow involved in amateur radio? Every issue under discussion has many sides. One side, the one nursie believes, is NOT divinely ordained to be only the True one. Sad for nursie, but true. Not every issue has many sides, Len. Let's take the following as an example: Leonard H. Anderson is not a participant in amateur radio. That one seems divinely ordained as truth. Nursie abhors opposition, wants to dominate, wants to win at all costs, wants to FIGHT. If we sub "Leonard" for "Nursie", we'd have a fairly accurate view of your puerile behavior. United States amateur radio is not a military organization whose purpose is to fight for the country. It matters not, Len. Whatever amateur radio is or is not, you have nothing to do with it. ...by entering this newsgroup, EVERYONE enters an arena of outraged PCTAs busy trying to preserve the honor and glory of a soon-to-be DEFUNCT communications mode. It is a FIGHT arena inhabited by punch-drunk olde-fahrts thinking they are all Rocky running up the museum steps to stirring music. :-) And there we have it, your view of the situation. As the oldest fart present and, to my knowledge, the only non-radio amateur, you'd best go into training. You might want to start with some Mantovani and work your way up to the stirring music. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. Seems to me that the above is quite descriptive of your actions, Len. Amateur radio is not golf. Amateur radio doesn't have the balls for it. :-) Apparently, neither do you. The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. ...and a very large fantasy in addition to pretty certificates (suitable for framing). FCC not require staff or commissioners to be radio amateurs in order to regulate amateur radio in USA. As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, FCC staffers and commissioners are paid to regulate amateur radio. You don't regulate amateur radio. You aren't an FCC staffer or commissioner. You aren't a participant in amateur radio. |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. Say goodnight, Dave. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Except to a few, such as nursie. How would you know, Leonard? I think Steve enjoys amateur radio. I know that Jim Miccolis and Brian Kelly enjoy amateur radio. I'm still filled with enthusiasm for amateur radio. How are you enjoying all that amateur radio has to offer? Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Nursie only represent himself. If Steve has an amateur radio license, he certainly represents at least a part of amateur radio in the U.S. It is a cinch that you don't represent amateur radio. You don't hold an amateur license. Nursie is also obsessive-compulsive personality hater unable to control himself in here when opposed by anyone. The name "Leonard" could easily be substituted above. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. I do not "antagonize the rest of 'you'" unless the "rest" are just alternate personalities of nursie. I DO antagonize the conservative traditionalists, the status-quoists who demand everything in a hobby conform to their personal desires. So anyone who holds a conservative view or who supports or respects amateur radio's traditions becomes a target for your silliness. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. Thus anyone who doesn't agree with your views of how amateur radio should be regulated becomes a control freak dictator. On the other hand, we have you, a non-participant in amateur radio, who'd like to tell us who should be able to become a radio amateur and what areas should be tested. What descriptive term can you come up with for an individual with your characteristics? Living a life of fantasy is simply delusional. It serves no one, not even the fantasy believer. I tend to agree with you, Len. So what do we do about your fantasy that you're somehow involved in amateur radio? Every issue under discussion has many sides. One side, the one nursie believes, is NOT divinely ordained to be only the True one. Sad for nursie, but true. Not every issue has many sides, Len. Let's take the following as an example: Leonard H. Anderson is not a participant in amateur radio. That one seems divinely ordained as truth. Nursie abhors opposition, wants to dominate, wants to win at all costs, wants to FIGHT. If we sub "Leonard" for "Nursie", we'd have a fairly accurate view of your puerile behavior. United States amateur radio is not a military organization whose purpose is to fight for the country. It matters not, Len. Whatever amateur radio is or is not, you have nothing to do with it. ...by entering this newsgroup, EVERYONE enters an arena of outraged PCTAs busy trying to preserve the honor and glory of a soon-to-be DEFUNCT communications mode. It is a FIGHT arena inhabited by punch-drunk olde-fahrts thinking they are all Rocky running up the museum steps to stirring music. :-) And there we have it, your view of the situation. As the oldest fart present and, to my knowledge, the only non-radio amateur, you'd best go into training. You might want to start with some Mantovani and work your way up to the stirring music. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. Seems to me that the above is quite descriptive of your actions, Len. Amateur radio is not golf. Amateur radio doesn't have the balls for it. :-) Apparently, neither do you. The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. ...and a very large fantasy in addition to pretty certificates (suitable for framing). FCC not require staff or commissioners to be radio amateurs in order to regulate amateur radio in USA. As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, FCC staffers and commissioners are paid to regulate amateur radio. You don't regulate amateur radio. You aren't an FCC staffer or commissioner. You aren't a participant in amateur radio. I guess you told me, Len. Dave K8MN |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 2:40 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: CAP has had a lot of in-fighting about FRS. Since FRS is "civilian" and we are under NTIA, there's been a lot of arguing about the legalities of it. "Legalities?!?" :-) For an unlicensed radio service?!? Don't show more ignorance than what you have already shown us, Lennie. FRS is regulated under Part 95 of the FCC'S Rules and Regulations. CAP, as a defacto federal agency (as attested to by the Department of Defense, Department of the Air Force and the Attorney General of the United States...) is obligated to operate under NTIA. The criteria for federal agencies operating on FCC regualted radio services is very narrow. "Routine" communications and communications conducting the business of the organization are NOT "authorized" uses. Opertional missions are not "legitimate" uses either, except where inoperability or coordination with other rescue agencies is critical, are not authorized either. These "restrictions" are not solely applicable to CAP. They apply to all other federal entities also. Maybe nursie suggest using MARS. Actually Civil Air Patrol has quite a few stations authorized to operate in Air Force MARS, Lennie. No, can't do that, nursie say "MARS IS amateur radio!" :-) Nursie made an "ace" of himself again. No...you did, Lennie. By your lack of practical experience and operational knowledge. Putz.. Steve, K4YZ |
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