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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 2:40 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Except to a few, such as nursie. I have enjoyed Amateur Radio since 1972, Lennie. It has been a great tool, a source of recreation, and a social gathering place. And as of today, youa re still not a part of it, save for being a sidelined scufflaw. Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Sure I do...At least 1/675,000 part of it. Which is 1/675,000 more than you are. I dare say that judging by many of the other responses in this forum, than some of my opinions are also held by others. Google refers. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. There is only one "control freak" here, Lennie. You see him in the mirror every morning. Here's MY "purpose"...It's a proven fact that those who bark the loudest or longest are usually the one's who get the most attention. Nursie just wanna FIGHT. Nursie FIGHT anyone who have opposite opinions of nursie's. Bark, bark, bark, little nursie. Seems I'm the little doggie that got ahold of YOU, Lennie! Sucks to be you. There is nothing at all "discrediting" about showing FANTASIES to be fantasies of the imagination. The only fantasy in this forum, Lennie, is that you are a person of respectable character, or that you are making some sort of "constructive" participation in it. Education in the radio arts is not accomplished by pretending that amateur radio is some paramilitary service organization or that memorizing the advertisements and radio reviews in QST is "learning" what happens behind the front panels...or that amateur radio "always comes to the rescue during emergencies when all the other radio infrastructure 'fails.'" You are the one with such fantasies, Lennie. You are the one who makes denigrating comments about parallels between the Armed Forces and Amateur Radio. And no one here has said "...amateur radio 'always comes to the rescue' ..."' The FACTS are that Amateur Radio DOES "come to the rescue" in a great many instances, and it CONTINUES to do so in the 21st Century, cellular and Internet technology notwithsatnding. As long as you deem it your "purpose" to do so, I will do MY best to expose you for the antagonist and mistruthful putz that you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie back into name-calling mode, trying to "win" newsgrope arguments by some kind of "show of force." It's no "show of force". It's the truth. Amateur radio regulations were established by people, not gods or chiefs of stuff of some paramilitary organization. Regulations, standards and procedures all evolved, changed with time. That will continue to change as time goes on. There is NO divine purpose to stop change. Yes, those regulations were established by "people"... People who have a vested, practical experience in the radio service they are a PART of... It was true in 1912...it's true in 2004... Except for you. Go figure. Change is opposed by those who managed to meet OLD standards and procedures of long ago. They cannot, will not adjust. They fear change. Change manifests insecurity for them. Or, they are so ego-driven that they fantasize their individual accomplishments as so mighty and noble that they think of themselves as role-models for all. A rant of monumental proportion, put to rest by any one who cares to review any of the posts made by any of those persons you refer to as "PCTA's", myself included. You were offered SEVERAL apologies and offers to move on, but your answers were clearly designed to simply perpetuate an argument. No. Not on record. Yes, on record. In Google and Deja before it... Nursie has not admitted that either of his statements about MARS being amateur radio are wrong, nor has he/she ever admitted to reading any of the military documents defining and explaining MARS...nor has nursie identified any part of Title 47 C.F.R. defining MARS as a civilian radio service. I have read many of those records, Lennie. None of them dispute my assertion of No Amateur Radio = No MARS. Recent posts by others here validate the activites of those MARS-authorized Amateurs in federal communications exercises. Nursie has never revealed the when and where of any claimed military "hostile action" yet demands full and complete disclosure of all others...for any claim. Nursie be a hypocrite. So far, my unweillingness to disclose whena nd where I was involved in hostile contact is your ONLY argument, Lennie. So far, that means you are about 30-1 behind on unansweed questions. Nursie continually insults others' private and professional lives clearly designed to induce word FIGHTING and then tries to say "others did it first!" Nursie be an insulter and hypocrite. It's not an insult if it's true. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. You have nothing to offer. Nursie make imperious demand. It was not a demand. It was an observation. So far, one you've not been able to disprove. Just the same, I was on the staff of Ham Radio magazine after being an author-contributor. Yes...you were... A magazine that is now defunct due to a lack of readership and circulation. So much for your editorial and leadership skills, Lennie. At the mention of that, nursie will go immediately into ATTACK mode, all safeties off, insulting all the staff of HR for being a "defunct" publication...even after 22 years of existance as a self-sustaining independent periodical for radio amateurs. I am not "attacking" the staff at HR, Lennie. Just you. I am sure Jim Fisk and the other folks were Nursie will then change gears and say I cribbed all information ("cut and paste" in his words) and had "none of my own." Nursie not understand any of the articles, too much intellect for him, therefore author become "enemy of state" to be destroyed (by any means possible). Poor nursie. Poor Lennie. There's no facts to substantiate any of your CLAIMS about them, either. Nursie think amateur radio all about manual telegraphy or code testing? Not so. Elimination of code test is my main concern. That is happening. Very slowly but it is happening. First break in mighty Amateur damn was in 1990. Yep. And it happened WITHOUT Lennie. Sunnuvagun! Small trickle of no-coders entered ham radio in 1991, are now the largest class group in U.S. amateur radio. "Small"...?!?! I already acknowledged the enabling directives of MARS. And how was that done? Must have been by private courier or other means "obscuring the information." No blinder are those who will NOT see..... If amateur radio goes away, MARS can remain. All that is required of DoD is then to update Directive 4650.2. Sure it can. Just like there are Jim Crow laws on the books in many southern states. And until the Department of Defense decides that MARS needs to be staffed to a level that would make it operationally viable WITHOUT all those Amateur Radio volunteers, my assertion that NO Amateur Radio = No MARS is accurate. No. If anything nasty be said about me, it is because I keep on opposing fantasies blabbered by nursie. Anything that is said about you is in response to what YOU have said. Afterall, this exchange wouldn't be possible without you, Lennie. You ARE your own worse enemy. MARS, without the thousands of volunteer Amateurs who man it, would not be able to carry out those duties those directives require. Period. MARS has done well WITHOUT those volunteers in exercise Grecian Firebolt 2002. They are still doing so in 2004. Sunnuvagun! How about that? Sunnuvagun...how about all the resports of MARS stations participating being MOSTLY from "individual" stations...?!?! You need to participate in forums other than this one, Lennie. Only a major manpower restructuring in the Armed Forces would allow it, and under present circumstances, that is highly unlikely. Okay, Chief of Stuff, explain THAT gem? The U.S. military has a very large communications organization that is done by military personnel. Doesn't involve MARS at all. Does all the tactical and strategic communications for the military. Very big. Army Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. Nice try for a change of tangent, Lennie. We are not discussing operational military traffic, Lennie. We are discussing MARS. Not ADA, AIR, WAR, SINCGARS, or equipment nomenclature...Just the MARS program. I'd suggest you try and stay focused, but you can't and keep an "edge" in the arguments. MARS can go away today and not impact any missions of the U.S. military. Yep....I never said anything else. And I don't need to "intellectualize" anything. You don't seem to be able to do that. All the readers see is you personally insulting others who differ with your godlike opinions. "Godlike"...?!?! You are not an Amateur Radio licensee. You never have been. You've made countless assertions and "observations" to and about Amateur Radio, most of which have been easily rebuked by fact, and certainly NOT substantiated by any fact from you. (Shall we once again revisit YOUR assertions of "dishonesty" by ARRL officials...?!?!) Everyone with opposite opinions LIES! Nope. Nursie = nuts. Still waiting on you to provide those documents that will demonstrate your qualifications in mental health education or training, Lennie. Until then...You're still a putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 6/24/2004 3:08 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: The criteria for federal agencies operating on FCC regualted radio services is very narrow. "Routine" communications and communications conducting the business of the organization are NOT "authorized" uses. Opertional missions are not "legitimate" uses either, except where inoperability or coordination with other rescue agencies is critical, are not authorized either. Excuse me... "Opertational" and "interoperabiltiy". Steve, K4YZ |
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are, telling me of acts of heroism how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. Best of Luck. |
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Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I think so. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. I don't recall that. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are... Which "you guys" would that be? ...telling me of acts of heroism... Acts of heroism? I don't believe you. how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a stelly-eyed examiner. K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse to increase my speed. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn pontifications. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. A book can provide information to an extent. No good golfer became one by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book. No good radio op became one by reading a book. Practice and experience are the keys. Len has neither. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" Dave K8MN |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. Dave K8MN |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Dave Heil Date: 6/24/2004 10:11 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. It HAS to be about him, Dave...It's all he REALLY knows...other than what he can cut-and-paste from all those websites that are THE most ABSOLUTE authority on EVERYTHING, bar none! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. Neither do others... "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" It all BLOWS from K8MN QTH. Say goodnight herr robust. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Why does it always have to be about you, Len? About "me?!?" Herr Robust getting adalpated again. Too many oriongasms? Nursie all obsessed with hating me...has to bring me up in usual barf messages nearly all the time. Are you getting as bad as nursie? [if so, get help pronto...] Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. Feel free. So, when are you going to do that? Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". I've worked with some of those longer than herr robust has been a ham. They not behave like Big Dave, the officious pompous authoritity figure telling all what to do and how to do it. If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. "Impressing" big dave is NOT in my life's plan. :-) Big Dave can only be impressed by looking at his own image in a mirror. :-) Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (William) Date: 6/24/2004 7:22 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are, telling me of acts of heroism how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. Best of Luck. The POINT, Your Junior Putziness, is that Lennie doesn't HAVE the experience to help the kid OTHER than the theory part. Riiiight...just five-plus decades of experience beginning around 1947. OH! Maybe the gunnery nurse is going to address the troops at morning assembly again: "Amateur radio WORKS DIFFERENT that all other radio services!" Right..."amateur electrons" instead of commercial ones. Uh huh. Poor nursie...thinks the FCC can regulate Laws of Physics too! He can't help with testing, other than to refer him to someone else. Riiiight...amateur radio WORKS DIFFERENT than all other radio. Unca Stevie da gunnery nursie gave us the command orders! He can't help with the Code (should "the kid" desire to learn it), other than to refer him to someone else. Riiiiight...no amateur radio transmitter can WORK on HF without the "opertator" being tested for manual telegraphy. :-) Da gubmint and da Army use COMPUTER PROGRAMS to teach morse code cognition at Fort Huachuca, AZ. Do dat mean da computers gotta be LICENSED IN HAM RADIO? He can't help with tutoring "the kid" on proper Amateur Radio operating technique, other than to refer him to someone else. Riiiight. PROPER PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE ON THE HAM BANDS IS MOST IMPORTANT! Hams and hamsters can get fired if they screw up on procedure, lose their social status, be taken out and shot in the AM...and then be chewed out by the Super Chief Master Gunnery Nurse! A fate worse than death. Those that don't use proper procedure might never OPERTATE again!!! He can't help with...well....I can go on and on.... Poor nursie, still obsessed with hate. It's NOT about working "both ends against the middle". Riiiight...it is capitulation to the loudmouths like gunnery nurse and herr robust and like-minded self-righteous control freaks of olde-tyme hamme raddio. It's about what contributions Lennie has alledgedly made to Amateur Radio. WOW! New requirement! All newcomers MUST CONTRIBUTE to ham radio BEFORE they get licensed! Hits a new high in the extra nobility snob category...all serve the might lords of telegraphy FIRST...then they MIGHT let one come into "their kingdom" if one groveled well enough to suit their noble blue-blooded righteousness. Easily summated, it's ZERO. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie done expressed all kinds of "informed opinions" on national and world economy, the socio-political climate, ad nauseum, and has ZERO credentials or smarts in that! NOTHING. NADA. ZIP. Subject didn't touch ham radio within a light-year but here his mightyness be sitting, spittle shooting out in rage of denigration of others, and then NOT knowing radio physics. His only "professional" affiliation with Amateur Radio went belly-up a long time ago. Furthermore there's not a single reference, footnote or other attribution of an LHA-authored HR article in ANY technical text outside of that defunct magazine, and even then, that's 20+ year old information. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie need to read more. :-) Nursie not know radio theory, certainly not electronics in general. Nursie need to check out UK website having listings of radio articles. Nursie think FCC can make electrons, fields, and waves "act different" by law if they separate "amateur" radio from all other radio! Nursie gots to get more education in theory to UNDERSTAND technical subjects written up in publications. Memorizing the sales phrases and jargon in QST advertisements not enough. Nursie are not right in head. As you can see, no luck was needed...just facts. "Facts" in nursieworld much different than reality. Nursie "facts" not same as real-world facts. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article ,
(William) writes: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are, telling me of acts of heroism how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. Big Dave - better known as Herr Robust for his military rank - shucks and jives more than a jazz band let loose in an Iowa corn field at harvest time. He might have been "opertating" his new transceiver and is suffering from too many oriongasms. He might need Vigoro from Canada for his mental erectile dysfunction? [he might find out that there's been an electronics world definition of "software" and "firmware" and "hardware" for over three decades...but never saw it in QST so therefore doesn't apply] Heil wastes everyone's time. :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 6/24/2004 3:08 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: The criteria for federal agencies operating on FCC regualted radio services is very narrow. "Routine" communications and communications conducting the business of the organization are NOT "authorized" uses. Opertional missions are not "legitimate" uses either, except where inoperability or coordination with other rescue agencies is critical, are not authorized either. Excuse me... "Opertational" and "interoperabiltiy". Oh, my...nursie be amateur radio OPERTATOR! :-) Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 2:40 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Except to a few, such as nursie. I have enjoyed Amateur Radio since 1972, Lennie. It's the ONLY radio you know, nursie. It has been a great tool, a source of recreation, and a social gathering place. Nursie regular bon vivant, trashed bakeries with visitors, etc. And as of today, youa re still not a part of it, save for being a sidelined scufflaw. Mea not bother. Mea been in lots of places youa nevah be in radio. Tsk, tsk. :-) Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Sure I do...At least 1/675,000 part of it. Less of a fraction than that. Over 700 thousand U.S. amateur licenses granted and on the books, nursie, all still valid. Which is 1/675,000 more than you are. Nursie have strange mathematic in nursieland. :-) I dare say that judging by many of the other responses in this forum, than some of my opinions are also held by others. Google refers. Nursie bad speller. Spelled "google reefers" wrong. Nursie get one response in favor, exaggerates that. Just like the Katapult King exaggerated his single patent into 26! :-) I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. There is only one "control freak" here, Lennie. Incorrect. SEVERAL control freaks busy with industrial-strength ethnic cleanser trying to brush away all NCTAs. Scrub scrub scrub, three men in a tubie. Nursery rhymes by the nannies. [nano-technology trying to replace brains] Nursie just wanna FIGHT. Nursie FIGHT anyone who have opposite opinions of nursie's. Bark, bark, bark, little nursie. Seems I'm the little doggie that got ahold of YOU, Lennie! Bark, bark, bark, little nursie. Nursie not "get" anyone. Nursie get worse. Nursie got nuts with nursieworld facts and ZERO INVOLVEMENT in space biz trying to make like Weiner von Brawn. This not "meaningful discourse," only diss and cuss time by nursie. Not normal. Not sane. Nursie need help. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: I guess you told me, Len. Say goodnight, Dave... LHA / WMD |
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 2:40 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: CAP has had a lot of in-fighting about FRS. Since FRS is "civilian" and we are under NTIA, there's been a lot of arguing about the legalities of it. "Legalities?!?" :-) For an unlicensed radio service?!? Don't show more ignorance than what you have already shown us, Lennie. FRS is regulated under Part 95 of the FCC'S Rules and Regulations. ...and NO LICENSE is required to use one. :-) Not in "Part 15" that nursie keeps bringing up...:-) CAP, as a defacto federal agency (as attested to by the Department of Defense, Department of the Air Force and the Attorney General of the United States...) is obligated to operate under NTIA. Wow! That sounds so OFFICIAL!!! I'll bet all the CAP aces have cute uniforms with pretty patches and salute one another on or off the flight line... The criteria for federal agencies operating on FCC regualted radio services is very narrow. "Routine" communications and communications conducting the business of the organization are NOT "authorized" uses. Opertional missions are not "legitimate" uses either, except where inoperability or coordination with other rescue agencies is critical, are not authorized either. "...where inoperability?!?" :-) These "restrictions" are not solely applicable to CAP. They apply to all other federal entities also. You sound like the JIG...Judicial Inoperability Group. Lots of word dancing. Doesn't mean much because the tune is off key. Maybe nursie suggest using MARS. Actually Civil Air Patrol has quite a few stations authorized to operate in Air Force MARS, Lennie. Nursie say "Sorry Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" If MARS be amateur radio, it can't be "Air Force." Air Force be military. No, can't do that, nursie say "MARS IS amateur radio!" :-) Nursie made an "ace" of himself again. No...you did, Lennie. By your lack of practical experience and operational knowledge. Nursie be stuck on "inoperability" with most things here. :-) DoD 4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03). Ever hear of it? Putz.. Tsk, tsk, tsk. More "meaningful discourse?" No, just nursie's dissing and cussing. Perfect example of the best that ham radio can be? Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I think so. I think so. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. I don't recall that. There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are... Which "you guys" would that be? PCTA. Know any? ...telling me of acts of heroism... Acts of heroism? I don't believe you. Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must also face those same exams and examiners. But since those old-timey exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P. how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a stelly-eyed examiner. Steely-eyed. K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse to increase my speed. So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So what are you disagreeing with now? So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn pontifications. Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards... Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. A book can provide information to an extent. A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur. No good golfer became one by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book. Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your list? No good radio op became one by reading a book. Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to undifferentiated radio operator. You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur Radio. Have it your way. One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single- book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who told me so are liars. Practice and experience are the keys. Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject. Len has neither. Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also has formal education in the subject matter. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient. And all others are ignorant. "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind. Best of Luck. |
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Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? It could be about your forgetfulness, but then there wouldn't be much discussion, would there? Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. And Len disagrees? You ought to take it up with Steve as he refuses to seek out information about the "larger world of radio," specifically MARS in which he claims to be a participant. Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". One in particular also participates in MARS and CAP communications, but apparently has never been trained. He cannot differentiate between the Amateur Service and MARS, repeatedly backing his statement that "MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi! If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. What tales? Steely-eyed FCC examiners? Taking an exam on a lark, without studying, scoring perfectly, in under 8 minutes, and collecting $200 for passing go? Naw, sounds too much like PCTA tales. |
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In article , Dave Heil writes: Why does it always have to be about you, Len? About "me?!?" Yeah, Len, about you. Why'd you snip the crud about your vast experience? Herr Robust getting adalpated again. Too many oriongasms? Who is "Herr Robust"? Nursie all obsessed with hating me...has to bring me up in usual barf messages nearly all the time. Are you getting as bad as nursie? [if so, get help pronto...] Who is "Nursie"? Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. Feel free. So, when are you going to do that? Probably after you get your "Extra right out of the box". Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". I've worked with some of those longer than herr robust has been a ham. Wonderful. Now if you'd only been a ham as long as I've been a ham... They not behave like Big Dave, the officious pompous authoritity figure telling all what to do and how to do it. You must have me confused with yourself, Big Len. You're all officious. You're certainly pompous and long-winded and you've spent years here attempting to outline how amateur radio should be regulated. Fact is, you have nothing to do with amateur radio. If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. "Impressing" big dave is NOT in my life's plan. :-) Then you'll likely want to knock off the countless retellings of your fifty years experience in whatever. Big Dave can only be impressed by looking at his own image in a mirror. :-) I beg to differ. I'm impressed by a great many people, both famous and unknown. You didn't make the list. Dave K8MN |
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[he might find out that there's been an electronics world definition of "software" and "firmware" and "hardware" for over three decades...but never saw it in QST so therefore doesn't apply] I provided a definition from several sources, even providing the urls so you could confirm those definitions on your own. You continue to argue the point in the face of cold, hard fact. You're simply wrong, Bozoo. Heil wastes everyone's time. :-) You aren't everyone and you have nothing but time. Dave K8MN |
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: I guess you told me, Len. Say goodnight, Dave... " ", Len added. Dave K8MN |
William wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I think so. I think so. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. I don't recall that. There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. I know this'll come as a real disappointment to you, "William", but I don't hang on your every word. I have only so much space available for mental storage and I like to reserve it for the really important matters. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are... Which "you guys" would that be? PCTA. Know any? I know several. Are you telling us that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here "set upon you like a pack of wild dogs" and that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here is a part of a pack of wild dogs? I don't believe you. ...telling me of acts of heroism... Acts of heroism? I don't believe you. Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must also face those same exams and examiners. The above is a perfect example of why I don't hang on your every word. It isn't factual and is certainly less than memorable. But since those old-timey exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a stelly-eyed examiner. Steely-eyed. K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse to increase my speed. So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So what are you disagreeing with now? Re-read the exchange above and get back to me. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn pontifications. Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards... Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. A book can provide information to an extent. A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur. No good golfer became one by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book. Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your list? No, but I'd like you to take my list as a whole because it illustrates precisely the idea that I'm attempting to convey. No good radio op became one by reading a book. Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to undifferentiated radio operator. You can add the word "amateur" before radio and the meaning is still the same. You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur Radio. Have it your way. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single- book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who told me so are liars. You're quite right. Someone can pass an exam and become a radio amateur. Absent practice and experience, that person can be a complete lid. Practice and experience are the keys. Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject. Not really, Brian. You have Len suggesting a book. Len has neither. Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also has formal education in the subject matter. So Len is a good golfer? You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient. How would you know that unless you are (no cap necessary) omniscient? And all others are ignorant. Not at all. I've made no such statement. We have on occasion, found some areas where you have exhibited ignorance. "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind. One of my favorite country song titles, yet to be recorded: "If I Had It To Do All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You". Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? It could be about your forgetfulness, but then there wouldn't be much discussion, would there? No, there wouldn't. I'm not all that forgetful. Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. And Len disagrees? Do you actually read any of the material before posting a reply? You ought to take it up with Steve as he refuses to seek out information about the "larger world of radio," specifically MARS in which he claims to be a participant. Do you actually read any of the material before posting a reply? "Free to" does not equate to "forced to". Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". One in particular also participates in MARS and CAP communications, but apparently has never been trained. He cannot differentiate between the Amateur Service and MARS, repeatedly backing his statement that "MARS IS Amateur Radio." Without amateur radio ops, there'd be no MARS program. Hi, hi! What are you, OSCAR I? If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. What tales? Read the material, "William". Dave K8MN |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? It could be about your forgetfulness, but then there wouldn't be much discussion, would there? No, there wouldn't. I'm not all that forgetful. Big Dave not remember this be public forum, all see messages. Why Dave continue to talk about me? I no talk about me here. Dave have obsessive-compulsive dysfunction, too? Nusie have that. Spreading to all PCTA. May be terminal. Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. And Len disagrees? Do you actually read any of the material before posting a reply? Big Dave get "Ham Radio for Dummies" yet? You ought to take it up with Steve as he refuses to seek out information about the "larger world of radio," specifically MARS in which he claims to be a participant. Do you actually read any of the material before posting a reply? "Free to" does not equate to "forced to". Big Dave have vision problem? He pick nits alla time. Dave the nit-picker. "Metaphors be with him." :-) Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". One in particular also participates in MARS and CAP communications, but apparently has never been trained. He cannot differentiate between the Amateur Service and MARS, repeatedly backing his statement that "MARS IS Amateur Radio." Without amateur radio ops, there'd be no MARS program. Big Dave not read DoD Directive 4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03). Big Dave not read of Grecial Firebolt. MARS work fine by itself. Proved. MARS be military radio service. Hi, hi! What are you, OSCAR I? Big Dave be Oscar Hammernail II? If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. What tales? Read the material, "William". Read DoD Directive 4650.2, Big Dave. DoD define MARS. ARRL not define MARS. FCC not define MARS. Big Dave be outer-spaced again. Needs more O-two. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I think so. I think so. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. I don't recall that. There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. I know this'll come as a real disappointment to you, "William", but I don't hang on your every word. Big Dave manage to hang hisself by his OWN words! :-) I have only so much space available for mental storage and I like to reserve it for the really important matters. Riiiiight. For song titles "yet to be published." Are ASCAP and BMI chomping at the bit on that? Or have they been bit. :-) Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are... Which "you guys" would that be? PCTA. Know any? I know several. Are you telling us that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here "set upon you like a pack of wild dogs" and that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here is a part of a pack of wild dogs? I don't believe you. "Use the metaphors, Luke, the metaphors." May the metaphors be with you, Luke Skyhawker. Big Dave be lissen to nursie too much... ...telling me of acts of heroism... Acts of heroism? I don't believe you. Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must also face those same exams and examiners. The above is a perfect example of why I don't hang on your every word. It isn't factual and is certainly less than memorable. Big Dave not see "hostile action" outside of newsgroup? Tsk. But since those old-timey exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? Big Dave feed his end too much? how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a stelly-eyed examiner. Steely-eyed. K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse to increase my speed. So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So what are you disagreeing with now? Re-read the exchange above and get back to me. Why? Big Dave no understand it? Tsk. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn pontifications. Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards... Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. This sub-thread NOT about me. Why Big Dave want to concentrate on personal attacks? Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. A book can provide information to an extent. A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur. No good golfer became one by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book. Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your list? No, but I'd like you to take my list as a whole because it illustrates precisely the idea that I'm attempting to convey. Attempt failed. Try again. :-) Hint: "Use the metaphors, Luke." :-) No good radio op became one by reading a book. Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to undifferentiated radio operator. You can add the word "amateur" before radio and the meaning is still the same. "Amateur amateur radio operator" oxymoron. Valve open your cannula, Big Dave...O-two not enough there. You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur Radio. Have it your way. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Riiiight...all newcomers to ham radio MUST have "practical experience" BEFORE getting ham license! :-) All newcomers thus become illegal. :-) One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single- book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who told me so are liars. You're quite right. Someone can pass an exam and become a radio amateur. Absent practice and experience, that person can be a complete lid. Riiiiight...close all lids on amateur radio! Nothing open! Practice and experience are the keys. Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject. Not really, Brian. You have Len suggesting a book. What's wrong with "Ham Radio for Dummies?" :-) This looks like ready reading audience for same... Len has neither. Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also has formal education in the subject matter. So Len is a good golfer? Why are you always referring to me? You obsessed with civilians, mighty amateur? Tsk. BTW...I used to shoot in the low 80s until the club made me give up my firearms... You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient. How would you know that unless you are (no cap necessary) omniscient? Heil know everything. He tell others he do. Redefines computer terms, knows all about software defined radios. Godlike. Gods are all omniscient. Very smart too. And all others are ignorant. Not at all. I've made no such statement. We have on occasion, found some areas where you have exhibited ignorance. Ignorance be capital crime in hum radio? Hum radio be closed to lids. Etc. "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind. One of my favorite country song titles, yet to be recorded: "If I Had It To Do All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You". Big Dave already **** in wind. Very unsanitary. Not couth. Vulgar. Clean up and say good night, Dave. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: [he might find out that there's been an electronics world definition of "software" and "firmware" and "hardware" for over three decades...but never saw it in QST so therefore doesn't apply] I provided a definition from several sources, even providing the urls so you could confirm those definitions on your own. You continue to argue the point in the face of cold, hard fact. You're simply wrong, Bozoo. Riiiiight. Big Dave be long-time computerist, hardware expert, yarns and yarns of experience in digital stuff. Knows all, sees all, can tell ACM to go stuff it. :-) Heil wastes everyone's time. :-) You aren't everyone and you have nothing but time. Why Big Dave talk allatime on personalities? :-) Is this Insult Fest newsgrope or about hum radio policy? Say goodnight, Dave. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Why does it always have to be about you, Len? About "me?!?" Yeah, Len, about you. Why'd you snip the crud about your vast experience? Snip what? Heil is ****ing in the wind in here... Herr Robust getting adalpated again. Too many oriongasms? Who is "Herr Robust"? A fignewton of your imagination, complete with monocle. Nursie all obsessed with hating me...has to bring me up in usual barf messages nearly all the time. Are you getting as bad as nursie? [if so, get help pronto...] Who is "Nursie"? Nursie be da gunnery nurse, superham and hero of "seven hostile actions." Someplace, at some time. Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. Feel free. So, when are you going to do that? Probably after you get your "Extra right out of the box". I have extra boxes. Nothing in there for Heil. Except air. Heil have much air. Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". I've worked with some of those longer than herr robust has been a ham. Wonderful. Now if you'd only been a ham as long as I've been a ham... Well, that must mean you are cured. Or well-preserved. You have an FDA stamping? They not behave like Big Dave, the officious pompous authoritity figure telling all what to do and how to do it. You must have me confused with yourself, Big Len. You're all officious. You're certainly pompous and long-winded and you've spent years here attempting to outline how amateur radio should be regulated. Fact is, you have nothing to do with amateur radio. Poor Heil, not with FCC. Not with ARRL BoD. BooHoo. Puff, puff, puff is der Oberst. Air. Hot. Much. If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. "Impressing" big dave is NOT in my life's plan. :-) Then you'll likely want to knock off the countless retellings of your fifty years experience in whatever. This is talking of years of personal existance? Tsk, tsk, tsk. Only seems like "countless" to all readers of Heil's "foreign service" duries on rediscovering the superiority of morse goad in his last years. Big Dave can only be impressed by looking at his own image in a mirror. :-) I beg to differ. I'm impressed by a great many people, both famous and unknown. You didn't make the list. Not a list anyone wants to be on... :-) Now you go ahead and chew those Guinea-Bisseau cashews and keep working them out-of-band Frenchmen. That's a good boy. Say goodnight, Dave. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/24/2004 6:54 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: The POINT, Your Junior Putziness, is that Lennie doesn't HAVE the experience to help the kid OTHER than the theory part. "Amateur radio WORKS DIFFERENT that all other radio services!" Right..."amateur electrons" instead of commercial ones. Uh huh. Poor nursie...thinks the FCC can regulate Laws of Physics too! In your rush to try and make more of your own "newsgroup messaging points", you tripped right over the part where I said "...OTHER than the theory part."... Oh well. Speaking of which... You created this "newsgroup messaging points" farce, yet have never availed us with the scoring system. What's up with that? That was a rhetorical question, by the way...WE all know you are deeply "into" not finishing ANYthing... Maybe that's why there were never any Mini-Lennie's for you to nurture and gain some practical experience upon which to base your "there ought to be an age limit" suggestion for Amateur Radio...?!?! Yet ANOTHER unaccomplished task. Steve, K4YZ |
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William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I think so. I think so. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. I don't recall that. There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. I know this'll come as a real disappointment to you, "William", but I don't hang on your every word. I have only so much space available for mental storage and I like to reserve it for the really important matters. Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would. The second part is memorable. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are... Which "you guys" would that be? PCTA. Know any? I know several. Are you telling us that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here "set upon you like a pack of wild dogs" and that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here is a part of a pack of wild dogs? I don't believe you. If you disagree, you've had years to correct it. But instead, the PCTA give each other passes all day long. Hell, after six years of idiotic posts from Bruce, the Rev Jim finally got cornered and had to agree that Bruce was an idiot and his postings were abusive. ...telling me of acts of heroism... Acts of heroism? I don't believe you. Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must also face those same exams and examiners. The above is a perfect example of why I don't hang on your every word. It isn't factual and is certainly less than memorable. You'd work the out of band Frenchmen if you had to do it over again. But since those old-timey exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you? how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a stelly-eyed examiner. Steely-eyed. K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse to increase my speed. So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So what are you disagreeing with now? Re-read the exchange above and get back to me. You knew two hams prior to being licensed. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn pontifications. Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards... Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat each other as human beings. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. A book can provide information to an extent. A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur. No good golfer became one by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book. Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your list? No, but I'd like you to take my list as a whole because it illustrates precisely the idea that I'm attempting to convey. Perhaps Steven Hawking read a book about basketball. No good radio op became one by reading a book. Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to undifferentiated radio operator. You can add the word "amateur" before radio and the meaning is still the same. They all became good radio ops by sarting with a book. You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur Radio. Have it your way. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement. Len has plenty of experience. One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single- book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who told me so are liars. You're quite right. Someone can pass an exam and become a radio amateur. Absent practice and experience, that person can be a complete lid. Even the most learned of amateurs may find himself working out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. The shame of it is that he could have learned something from it, but didn't. Practice and experience are the keys. Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject. Not really, Brian. You have Len suggesting a book. insert snippet from above -------------- If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. -------------- It would appear that you took the book idea and ran with it. Len has neither. Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also has formal education in the subject matter. So Len is a good golfer? Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book? I wonder why there are so many golfing books written and sold? You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient. How would you know that unless you are (no cap necessary) omniscient? I should have said that you are "The Omniscient!" And all others are ignorant. Not at all. I've made no such statement. We have on occasion, found some areas where you have exhibited ignorance. Natch. "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind. One of my favorite country song titles, yet to be recorded: "If I Had It To Do All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You". Sounds like a tune by "Slim Chance and the Crying Cowboys." ;^) |
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (William) Date: 6/25/2004 6:17 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would. I'd be interested in seeing your cite of where in the rules it says that Dave, or anyone else for that matter, is responsible for making sure the OTHER station is operating within his/her nations regulatory requirements. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you? Well...are you? You KNOW my answer. Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat each other as human beings. The question is was DAVE out of band. So far, nothing he or you has indicated he was. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement. Len has plenty of experience. Dave was quite accuarate. Lennie has NO practical experience in AMATEUR Radio. No one disputes Lennie's "experience" in "radio". I am sure after all the websites he's cut and pasted from he HAS actually learned SOMETHING about Amateur Radio too, but as I am sure you know for yourself, that which one learns in a book as opposed to "how it is" is not always the same. So Len is a good golfer? Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book? I for one have no doubt that if Lennie reads a golfing book, he will be quick to let us know just how smart he is about golfing wether he's been on the links or not. Most likely not, but we'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Personally, I find golfing no more interesting than providing an adequate length of turf as an alternative runway in an emergency. It also provides me with plenty of professional opportunities since a lot of cardiac arrests are taken off the 9th hole. Usually physicians, bankers and stock brokers. Now...we await to find out just how much Lennie knows about golfing. I am sure he worked with someone in "the aerospace industry" who played golf and shared enough stories with Lennie so that he could regale us with some reasonably accurate sounding tales.. Maybe he caddy'd some while on that rear-area tour of duty in 1953.... Steve, K4YZ |
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William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? It could be about your forgetfulness, but then there wouldn't be much discussion, would there? No, there wouldn't. I'm not all that forgetful. It is because of your forgetfulness that there is very little to talk about with you. Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. And Len disagrees? Do you actually read any of the material before posting a reply? Let me check my documentation. Yes, I read it. You ought to take it up with Steve as he refuses to seek out information about the "larger world of radio," specifically MARS in which he claims to be a participant. Do you actually read any of the material before posting a reply? Let me check my notes. Yes, I actually read the material. "Free to" does not equate to "forced to". There you go trying to change the subject matter again. It never was about "forced to." Steve does not avail himself to the facts. He continually spouts false statements. He will continue to do so until he freely avails himself to factual information, which Len has nicely provided a clickable link for his use. It couldn't be simpler. So, Len does wish more ignorant amateurs would freely seek out information about the "larger world of radio." It would certainly save the rest of a lot of trouble. Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". One in particular also participates in MARS and CAP communications, but apparently has never been trained. He cannot differentiate between the Amateur Service and MARS, repeatedly backing his statement that "MARS IS Amateur Radio." Without amateur radio ops, there'd be no MARS program. The program would exist with no volunteers whatsoever. Hi, hi! What are you, OSCAR I? Noted. If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. What tales? Read the material, "William". I mostly enjoyed your tales of working out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. |
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In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 6/24/2004 3:08 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: The criteria for federal agencies operating on FCC regualted radio services is very narrow. "Routine" communications and communications conducting the business of the organization are NOT "authorized" uses. Opertional missions are not "legitimate" uses either, except where inoperability or coordination with other rescue agencies is critical, are not authorized either. Excuse me... "Opertational" and "interoperabiltiy". Oh, my...nursie be amateur radio OPERTATOR! :-) Nope. He just a disaBiltiy Tater! Temper fry... Make French Fry! LHA / WMD If DoD not allowed non-NTIA communication, why dey got cell phone on lip? If "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio," then NTIA is FCC. So what the problem? Hi, hi. |
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In article , (Len Over 21) writes: just doesn't understand my original purpose about amateur radio policy. Say, Len - for those of us who have only gotten online since 1997.... what is/was your "original purpose about amateur radio policy"? Len the Unforgiven. Like original sin. No baptism by fire, No forgiveness. |
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Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (William) Date: 6/25/2004 6:17 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would. I'd be interested in seeing your cite of where in the rules it says that Dave, or anyone else for that matter, is responsible for making sure the OTHER station is operating within his/her nations regulatory requirements. Irrelevant. Nursie get "cite" will disagree, no matter what. Nursie not play well with "cites." :-) Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you? Well...are you? Nursie know antenna theory? Nursie learn in nursie school, get fancy certificate with elaborate border (suitable for framing?). Nursie know which way Vector is Poynting? :-) You KNOW my answer. Nursie answer: Garbage-mouth reply, insulting person. Nursie know squat about theory. Can only squat. Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat each other as human beings. The question is was DAVE out of band. Heil out of reality. Heil have godlike powers, never wrong. So far, nothing he or you has indicated he was. Irrelevant. Godlike creatures no need to explain anything, always right, always superior to inferior beings. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement. Len has plenty of experience. Dave was quite accuarate. Heil is everything but always right. Even when "accuarate" (whatever that is...). Lennie has NO practical experience in AMATEUR Radio. Nursie astound all with obviousness...of obtuseness. Nursie godlike being also, always right, never wrong, can insult "inferior beings" at whim. His whim always hanging out in here. No one disputes Lennie's "experience" in "radio". I am sure after all the websites he's cut and pasted from he HAS actually learned SOMETHING about Amateur Radio too, but as I am sure you know for yourself, that which one learns in a book as opposed to "how it is" is not always the same. Nursie say Hum Radio allatime different other radio. Nursie godlike, never wrong...can direct, correct DoD. Nursie write own book, "Book of Facts!" Book not available outside of nursieland. So Len is a good golfer? Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book? I for one have no doubt that if Lennie reads a golfing book, he will be quick to let us know just how smart he is about golfing wether he's been on the links or not. No have golfing book. Got balls. Nursie nutso. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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(William) writes: Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I think so. I think so. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. I don't recall that. There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. I know this'll come as a real disappointment to you, "William", but I don't hang on your every word. I have only so much space available for mental storage and I like to reserve it for the really important matters. Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would. The second part is memorable. Heil have godlike powers, never wrong, ever. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are... Which "you guys" would that be? PCTA. Know any? I know several. Are you telling us that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here "set upon you like a pack of wild dogs" and that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here is a part of a pack of wild dogs? I don't believe you. If you disagree, you've had years to correct it. But instead, the PCTA give each other passes all day long. Hell, after six years of idiotic posts from Bruce, the Rev Jim finally got cornered and had to agree that Bruce was an idiot and his postings were abusive. Rev. Jimmie Who is turning, has now reverted to old self, slyly snarling. Expect another Sermon on the Antenna Mount from Jimmie, soon after Field Day (in the park). ...telling me of acts of heroism... Acts of heroism? I don't believe you. Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must also face those same exams and examiners. The above is a perfect example of why I don't hang on your every word. It isn't factual and is certainly less than memorable. You'd work the out of band Frenchmen if you had to do it over again. Maybe Heil get french kiss from orion, get oriongasm? :-) But since those old-timey exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you? EVERYONE not agreeing with Heil be "not worthy!" :-) how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a stelly-eyed examiner. Steely-eyed. K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse to increase my speed. So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So what are you disagreeing with now? Re-read the exchange above and get back to me. You knew two hams prior to being licensed. He buy one in market? :-) So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn pontifications. Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards... Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat each other as human beings. Heh heh heh. Ordinary mortals cannot get along with radio gods...must all be subservient to godlike creatures doing bad imitations of Otto Preminger. :-) Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. A book can provide information to an extent. A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur. No good golfer became one by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book. Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your list? No, but I'd like you to take my list as a whole because it illustrates precisely the idea that I'm attempting to convey. Perhaps Steven Hawking read a book about basketball. Not good to pin Heil to mat so many times. He will complain to the Armenian judges and they chant something awful. So does Heil, come to think of it. :-) No good radio op became one by reading a book. Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to undifferentiated radio operator. You can add the word "amateur" before radio and the meaning is still the same. They all became good radio ops by sarting with a book. Impossible in Heil fantasyland. All who are "interested" in radio MUST get ham license. Cannot be "interested" in radio without that license in Heil fantasyland. You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur Radio. Have it your way. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement. Heil never make mistake. Heil godlike, always right. When Heil make actual mistake, is merely "clarification" for the inferior. :-) Len has plenty of experience. Not at all in Heil fantasyland. Heil issue orders. All "interested" in radio MUST get amateur license. No amateur license, not "interested' in radio, be inferior, unworthy, beneath royal burple of godlike nobility. So be it in Heil fantasyland. One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single- book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who told me so are liars. You're quite right. Someone can pass an exam and become a radio amateur. Absent practice and experience, that person can be a complete lid. Even the most learned of amateurs may find himself working out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. The shame of it is that he could have learned something from it, but didn't. Heil not need to "Learn" anything. Heil already godlike, never wrong. He be superior. Always, anything. Practice and experience are the keys. Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject. Not really, Brian. You have Len suggesting a book. insert snippet from above -------------- If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. -------------- It would appear that you took the book idea and ran with it. Heil infuriated that book "Ham Radio for Dummies" exists? tsk, tsk. Demeans his Royal Court. Makes him jester. That bad. Len has neither. Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also has formal education in the subject matter. So Len is a good golfer? Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book? Len play golf. Gave up. Had to pay Heil greens fee. Heil green that others have bigger outside-of-hum-radio experience. Big greens fee! Heil are hole in one. I wonder why there are so many golfing books written and sold? [golf world will sell anything not nailed down...:-) ] You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient. How would you know that unless you are (no cap necessary) omniscient? I should have said that you are "The Omniscient!" Heil have godlike powers, allowed to strike dunder and blitzen on all inferior beings. Santa Claus need new team. Dunder and blitzen on strike. And all others are ignorant. Not at all. I've made no such statement. We have on occasion, found some areas where you have exhibited ignorance. Natch. All disagreeing with Heil are inferior. Radio god has spoken, defined such. "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind. One of my favorite country song titles, yet to be recorded: "If I Had It To Do All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You". Sounds like a tune by "Slim Chance and the Crying Cowboys." ;^) Boo hoo. Rainy weather. Grand old Opry go dark when Heil sing. Radio gods have no godlike power in C&W. LHA / WMD |
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/24/2004 6:54 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: The POINT, Your Junior Putziness, is that Lennie doesn't HAVE the experience to help the kid OTHER than the theory part. "Amateur radio WORKS DIFFERENT that all other radio services!" Right..."amateur electrons" instead of commercial ones. Uh huh. Poor nursie...thinks the FCC can regulate Laws of Physics too! In your rush to try and make more of your own "newsgroup messaging points", you tripped right over the part where I said "...OTHER than the theory part."... Oh well. Poor nursie. Still thinking ham radio works DIFFERENT than all other radio. According to nursie, ham radio have "special" operating techniques, ability to "tune a signal so very carefully" and lots of other bull****. Poor nursie will come unglued at what he thinks is a "profane word" like bull****. Must be sissy marine no longer on any active duty. Speaking of which... You created this "newsgroup messaging points" farce, yet have never availed us with the scoring system. What "farce?" Nursie statements? THAT be a farce! Nursie badly need to talk to DoD on MARS, get straight. What's up with that? Yes, WHY doesn't nursie agree with DoD? Should... That was a rhetorical question, by the way...WE all know you are deeply "into" not finishing ANYthing... ? Nursie go nuts again. Imagine things. Maybe that's why there were never any Mini-Lennie's for you to nurture and gain some practical experience upon which to base your "there ought to be an age limit" suggestion for Amateur Radio...?!?! Nursie VERY nuts. Thinks this is still 5 years ago. Time marches on but nursie can't hear cadence or keep in step. Yet ANOTHER unaccomplished task. Nursie need help. Not get it in newsgroup. Nursie try reading "Ham Radio for Dummies?" Apt. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
In article ,
(William) writes: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/22/2004 4:26 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means, Why does it always have to be about you, Len? It could be about your forgetfulness, but then there wouldn't be much discussion, would there? Radio amateurs are free to seek out information about the "larger world of radio" in any number of venues. And Len disagrees? Herr robust thinks so. Why else would he drop in an waste so much time? You ought to take it up with Steve as he refuses to seek out information about the "larger world of radio," specifically MARS in which he claims to be a participant. Heil could always get nursie a copy of "Ham Radio for Dummies." :-) Many radio amateurs have been or are participants in the "larger world of radio". One in particular also participates in MARS and CAP communications, but apparently has never been trained. He cannot differentiate between the Amateur Service and MARS, repeatedly backing his statement that "MARS IS Amateur Radio." Hi, hi! Nursie say "No HAM Radio, no MARS." Still wrong, still trying to foist that off on folks. Maybe Heil will support him on that? If you'd like to impress us, obtain an amateur radio license of any class and regale us with those tales. What tales? Steely-eyed FCC examiners? Oh, wow, just like a "hostile action!" :-) Taking an exam on a lark, without studying, scoring perfectly, in under 8 minutes, and collecting $200 for passing go? Would be easier to take it at a table. Larks are fidgety, like to flap their wings and make noise. Like PCTAs. Naw, sounds too much like PCTA tales. "Tales of the Souse Pacific." :-) LHA / WMD |
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