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June 18th 04, 02:46 PM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 5:24 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve the Grate Meaningful Communicator) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...Leonard H. Anderson Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Your point? Therefore Lennie's busted lying again. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios "he can't talk about." Only you've tried to make it "secret". Secondly, there are several "radio hobbyist" magazines available in the US, espcially "Popular Communications" and "Monitoring Times" that cover the "SWL" and scanning disciplines. If someone is interested in "other radio services", then they can go to those other sources. Won't be much there, either. Then you've not been reading any of THOSE publications either. There's much more on the Internet, especially the military collector sites...but those are about as behind the times as the boatanchor and surplus sites. Then carry your rants THERE, Lennie. I am sure your spiteful wit and willingness to be antagonistic will be as well received there as it is here. At least it will be a bit more pertinent in those forums...Not by much, but some. Lastly, why would an Amateur Radio-specific publication spend an inordinate amount of time on "other" radio services? "Inordinate?!?" No one was asking for "inordinate." Sure "they" are....Well, at least YOU are. Even a minor mention might draw some interest...except for those who wish to remain insular, isolated from having to learn anything but the latest DX contest scores. Perhaps the Amateur Radio magazines limit the scope of thier content for the same reasons you don't find a whole lot of fly fishing technique articles in "Cosmo"...?!?! Where does this idiot (and I am being a bit liberal with praise there...) get the idea that an AMATEUR RADIO publication should discuss issues pertaining to Public Service, Common Carrier or military services when the topic does not correspondingly and directly affect Amateur Radio...?!?! Must be more of this "meaningful discourse" again. The "A" in APCO does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in SHARES does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in MARS does NOT refer to Amateur. Sure it does...to what other radio service is MARS "affiliated" with...?!?! Nursie needs to know his "A" from a hole in the ground. Too bad YOU don't realize that all those "A"'s don't represent "Army communications of ocer 50 years ago". One has to wonder what Lennie could have REALLY amounted to if he'd been issued some grade-school level common sense. Tsk, tsk, tsk. "Meaningful discourse?" Poor nursie. Still resentful that someone took the time and trouble to educate himself and keep working in radio-electronics in the aerospace industry as a design engineer in radio-electronics and then retire with a comfortable income. Too bad there weren't some human relations courses in that 14 years of night school, Lennie. And I don't resent your efforts to be an engineer. One day you may be one. That you invested your money well was, as I have acknowleged before, one of your only positive acts in your adult life. Congratulations. My nest egg isn't quite as secure yet, but then I still have another 15-20 years to go before I think I'll be ready to stop wotking. Unlike you, I DO have the pleasure of seeing a meaningful, positive impact on my chosen profession. When I retire, I'll stop by your grave and see if all of YOUR "comfortable income" got you any farther than it does any other working person. Sucks to be nursie? If there was a "nursie" here, it might. But we KNOW it sucks to be Lennie! Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
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June 18th 04, 08:48 PM
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In article ,
(Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/17/2004 5:24 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve the Grate Meaningful Communicator) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...Leonard H. Anderson Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in any professional journals?!?!? Tsk, tsk, tsk. SINCGARS has been in the news since Defense Electronics monthly was published, is in SIGNAL, the monthly of AFCEA, gets mentioned periodically in EDN, Electronics Design, EE Times, RF Design, RF & Microwaves magazines, plus articles in both Proceedings and some Transactions of the IEEE. It's in the UK too since Harris is making SINCGARS-compatible radio systems for them. Those are all "professional journals" since they are non- subscription "controlled" periodicals requiring identification of the reader to the magazines as being in/part/associated with the electronics industry. Decidedly professional. Not only that, there are many subscription services which have newsletters and periodicals and surveys, etc., of the defense electronics contracts, awards, amounts, add-ons, etc. for those who can't handle the free information from the government on such things. Example of the latter is Central Electronics Command at Fort Monmouth, NJ, which concerns itself with procurement and overseeing of Army electronics contracts. Your point? There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to find out about military or government radio systems and communications. Been there for a long time, even before the Internet went public such as the SINCGARS. A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one kind of radio system in government history...] If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean- mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios "he can't talk about." Only you've tried to make it "secret". No, nursie did, way back when I first mentioned the SINCGARS in here plus the public availability of FM 24-24 of December 1994 (a compendium of signal equipment of all kinds, including HF radio sets, then in military inventory). Nursie claimed then - in broad generalities - he had "worked in military communications" but could not name ONE SET by either nomenclature or familiar name ANY of them. Claimed he could not talk about them due to not revealing military secrets or some rationalistic reason. Which was all BS, of course, since the general information had long been publicly available through many government sources. Secondly, there are several "radio hobbyist" magazines available in the US, espcially "Popular Communications" and "Monitoring Times" that cover the "SWL" and scanning disciplines. If someone is interested in "other radio services", then they can go to those other sources. Won't be much there, either. Then you've not been reading any of THOSE publications either. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I keep mentioning all those periodicals and controlled- subscription magazines and other information, write them in here, sometimes giving detailed information, and nursie keeps saying "I don't read them! :-) I'm NOT a regular subscriber to PopComm or Monitoring Times, never did get every annual WRTH, don't buy every issue of CQ or QST, nor of the old 73. Got a free subscription to HR after becoming an Associate Editor there. Neither did I buy every issue of PopElectronics or Radio Communication (the RSGB monthly) nor of the old Radio Craft or Radio and Television News or many of the old newsstand monthlies of ancient history. Don't have to...I'm not interested in ham DX contest scoresheets or nostalgia articles of old hum radio from the 1930s or building two-transistor transmitters in discarded tuna tine cans nor of building super-duper state-of-the- art one-tube regenerative receivers (all-band!). Been IN the electronics industry, seen lots of stuff up close and personal, designed a little bit of it, used it in the field. Radios. Modern radios. Got into the guts of them behind the front panel, know how they work...followed the contract awards, know who did what on some of it, know the modern history of it instead of concentrating on old history of one small part of radio related to hobby activities. There's much more on the Internet, especially the military collector sites...but those are about as behind the times as the boatanchor and surplus sites. Then carry your rants THERE, Lennie. I am sure your spiteful wit and willingness to be antagonistic will be as well received there as it is here. Naw. I like the "meaningful discourse" of mighty gunnery nurse and his liberal viewpoints of my-way-or-the-highway-you-putz!" :-) Perhaps the Amateur Radio magazines limit the scope of thier content for the same reasons you don't find a whole lot of fly fishing technique articles in "Cosmo"...?!?! Nursie get amateur radio info from Cosmopolitan or Field & Steam? :-) Where does this idiot (and I am being a bit liberal with praise there...) get the idea that an AMATEUR RADIO publication should discuss issues pertaining to Public Service, Common Carrier or military services when the topic does not correspondingly and directly affect Amateur Radio...?!?! Must be more of this "meaningful discourse" again. The "A" in APCO does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in SHARES does NOT refer to Amateur. The "A" in MARS does NOT refer to Amateur. Sure it does...to what other radio service is MARS "affiliated" with...?!?! FEMA, SHARES, several government agencies. :-) See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) Too bad there weren't some human relations courses in that 14 years of night school, Lennie. There were under California rules for the early 1960s. :-) Some of those courses were done during the day. All for college accreditation. And I don't resent your efforts to be an engineer. One day you may be one. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) Poor nursie resents the existance of anyone who has opinions contrary to his own. The spirit of the "new amateur radio" of this millenium. :-( Get mental help. Meanwhile, temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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June 19th 04, 02:46 AM
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June 19th 04, 06:57 AM
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In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes: On 18 Jun 2004 19:48:44 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) For that matter, just turn on a shortwave receiver. Grecian Firebolt 2004 is being conducted as I type this, and will continue until some time in August. Interesting! :-) Frequencies? |
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June 19th 04, 08:16 PM
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On 19 Jun 2004 05:57:47 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:
In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ writes: On 18 Jun 2004 19:48:44 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) For that matter, just turn on a shortwave receiver. Grecian Firebolt 2004 is being conducted as I type this, and will continue until some time in August. Interesting! :-) Frequencies? Among those that have been logged over the last week or so a 14396.4 kHz (they were .1 low) 14/1800 Jun UTC: SHARES exercise in support of GRECIAN FIREBOLT 2004. Check-in window #1 of 4 scheduled, each day at 1800-1900 UTC. Ctrl shared by: KGD34 ( NCC/Shares liason, VA), AFA4BR (Shares Coordination Station, Gulf Coast, Houston), DLA303 (SCS, Northwest, Defense Logistics Agency, WA.); Working: KOQ434 (US Customs, NC, possible SCS), KOQ636 (US Customs, ?), KDM52 (FAA, Memphis, TN), KHA925 (NASA, Johnson Space Flight Ctr, Houston), WGY908 (SCS, FEMA Region 8 Control, Denver, CO), KCR873 (USDA, Boise, ID, with traffic), Puerto Rico CAP 20, WNIC426 (Phone company/ NTA, IL), among others which were missed due to QSB. KGD 34 went to 14995.0 at 1830 with KCR 873, to receive the traffic. They were weak - message was copied by KGD 34 and passed successfully, but no copy here. ALE and PACTOR BBS check-ins are 24 hours daily for the duration. 5403.3 - Group HF with T, A and lots of others 8668.5 - This is a WHISKEY Air Defense battlegroup net with HOTEL WHISKEY as NCS. Simulated air attacks, with carrier strike package targeting track 3515, track 3515 being declared hostile, eventually with "splash two". Later, VICTOR wkg HW re strike package is feet dry. 8252.0 - BRAVO FOXTROT Net (USB) USN FOXTROT battlegroup net with BRAVO FOXTROT as NCS. The U.S. Navy's current exercise is named SUMMER PULSE 04 and will conclude in August, this involves having simultaneous deployment of seven aircraft carrier strike groups. The carriers involved are the Norfolk-based USS George Washington (CVN 73), the San Diego-based USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), the Yokosuka, Japan-based USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63), the Mayport, Fla.-based USS John F Kennedy (CV 67), the Norfolk-based USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), the Norfolk-based USS Enterprise (CVN 65), and finally, the USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76), which will conduct operations in the U.S. Northern Command and U.S. Southern Command theaters during the ship's interfleet transfer from Norfolk, Va., to its Pacific Fleet homeport of San Diego. When you consider that no carrier goes anywhere alone but instead has various mixtures of destroyers, cruisers, attack subs, and at least one ammo/oiler/supply ship in its CSG (Carrier Strike Groups are formed and disestablished on an as-needed basis; but while one may be different from another, all are comprised of similar types of ships), that's a heck of a lot of radio traffic, so I'm sure the freqs listed above only skim the surface. Conspicuous by their absence from the above freqs are freqs for LINK-11 (TADIL-A) voice coordination nets, for example. Needless to say, these guys can also change frequency at any time, and will according to mission requirements, propagation, QRM, and other considerations - including COMSEC. 73 DE John D. Kasupski Tonawanda, New York, USA Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN |
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June 19th 04, 11:17 PM
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In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes: When you consider that no carrier goes anywhere alone but instead has various mixtures of destroyers, cruisers, attack subs, and at least one ammo/oiler/supply ship in its CSG (Carrier Strike Groups are formed and disestablished on an as-needed basis; but while one may be different from another, all are comprised of similar types of ships), that's a heck of a lot of radio traffic, so I'm sure the freqs listed above only skim the surface. Conspicuous by their absence from the above freqs are freqs for LINK-11 (TADIL-A) voice coordination nets, for example. Needless to say, these guys can also change frequency at any time, and will according to mission requirements, propagation, QRM, and other considerations - including COMSEC. Roger that, John, thanks. |
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June 20th 04, 02:14 PM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Radio Amateur KC2HMZ Date: 6/19/2004 2:16 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: On 19 Jun 2004 05:57:47 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ writes: On 18 Jun 2004 19:48:44 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002 for a good example. :-) For that matter, just turn on a shortwave receiver. Grecian Firebolt 2004 is being conducted as I type this, and will continue until some time in August. Interesting! :-) Frequencies? Among those that have been logged over the last week or so a...(SNIPPED) Very interesting. I note only one MARS callsign there, and it's NOT a facility callsign. Rather it's one assigned to an individual (read that "licensed Amateur"). Guess all those "professional" MARS operators were taking a break. I am curious about the German callsign that John attributes to being in Washington state? A typo...?!?! I see at least one reference to a Civil Air Patrol station. I DON'T see ANY reference to any Part 15 or other unlicensed devices being employed or reported. Nor do I see any PLMRS, GMRS, or MURS systems. (Certain posters here insist they play a "major" role in "emergency comms"...Guess they will be in the NEXT exercise...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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June 19th 04, 11:03 AM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the archived mistruths of an ex radio technician parading about as an engineer, Leonard H. Anderson. Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in any professional journals?!?!? I didn't say "ever", Your Wimpiness. Your point? There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to find out about military or government radio systems and communications. Been there for a long time, even before the Internet went public such as the SINCGARS. Great. Then all those Amateurs who ARE interested in military communications DON'T have to depend on QST, et al to discuss them. A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one kind of radio system in government history...] Sure it does. And "surplus" radio gear has NOT been the preferred method of getting on the air by Amateurs for TWO DECADES....Not when folks can buy brand new, under warranty equipment for under $200. If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean- mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk. Perhaps if you HAD been reading those Amateur magazines you'd understand a bit more about what you are talking about. But you go right on ahead, Lennie... Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios "he can't talk about." Only you've tried to make it "secret". No, nursie did, way back when I first mentioned the SINCGARS in here plus the public availability of FM 24-24 of December 1994 (a compendium of signal equipment of all kinds, including HF radio sets, then in military inventory). Nursie claimed then - in broad generalities - he had "worked in military communications" but could not name ONE SET by either nomenclature or familiar name ANY of them. Claimed he could not talk about them due to not revealing military secrets or some rationalistic reason. Actually, my words then, as they are now, are that what I did in the Armed Forces have nothing to do with Amateur Communications. Just like YOUR "link" with Amateur Radio, Lennie, those "happenings" only shared the theoretical basics of radio wave generation and propagation. It's the application...not the physics...that separates you from the rest of us, Sir Scummy. Sucks to be you. Steve, K4YZ |
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June 19th 04, 10:17 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the archived mistruths of an ex radio technician parading about as an engineer, Leonard H. Anderson. Tsk, tsk, tsk. :-) Nursie be here to just FIGHT anyone not thinking like nursie. :-) Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED) There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned in Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! ! Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in any professional journals?!?!? I didn't say "ever", Your Wimpiness. tsk, tsk, tsk. [lower-case comment as befits lower-case nursie] Your point? There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to find out about military or government radio systems and communications. Been there for a long time, even before the Internet went public such as the SINCGARS. Great. Then all those Amateurs who ARE interested in military communications DON'T have to depend on QST, et al to discuss them. ...and nursie thinks amateur radio is exclusive, different from all other radio. :-) Did nursie ever bother to check out other radio services (other than the CBs he saw shrink-wrapped at Wal-Mart)? A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one kind of radio system in government history...] Sure it does. And "surplus" radio gear has NOT been the preferred method of getting on the air by Amateurs for TWO DECADES....Not when folks can buy brand new, under warranty equipment for under $200. Tsk, tsk, tsk. For a nearly-fifty "olde-tyme" hamme nursie sure doesn't know much about surplus. :-) If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean- mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk. Perhaps if you HAD been reading those Amateur magazines you'd understand a bit more about what you are talking about. tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie imagines others' worlds and doings instead of finding out. But you go right on ahead, Lennie... tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie getting on high horse again, forgetting which end is head and which is tail. :-) Nursie hasn't been able to stop many, despite his shouting, hollering, cursing, and threatening. :-) Actually, my words then, as they are now, are that what I did in the Armed Forces have nothing to do with Amateur Communications. Just like YOUR "link" with Amateur Radio, Lennie, those "happenings" only shared the theoretical basics of radio wave generation and propagation. tsk, tsk, tsk...translated, nursie never did any military communications at all (except maybe to use the day room telephone). :-) Nursie was involved too much in those "hostile actions" in the military. Must be the post-traumatic stress disorder thing showing in his postings... It's the application...not the physics...that separates you from the rest of us, Sir Scummy. tsk, tsk, tsk...more "meaningful discourse" from nursie? :-) Sucks to be you. Only when I use either of the two Hoover appliances here. :-) Or the solder-sucker on the bench. :-) The melting point of solder is well below the temper temperature of nursie...easier to suck up melted solder than to put out the fires of outraged, angry egos such as nursie's... :-) I guess this must be all of what modern U.S. amateur radio is about...a bunch of mad-as-hell extras berating all the "lower classes." Nice hobby. For Huns and other barbarians...? LHA / WMD |
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