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June 23rd 04, 10:17 AM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Idiot just doesn't understand my original purpose about amateur radio policy. Nursie never will, too determined to FIGHT with anyone who disagrees (even the slightest) with him. Tsk, tsk. I understand fine, Lennie. You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. No problem. I understand fine. Here's MY "purpose"...It's a proven fact that those who bark the loudest or longest are usually the one's who get the most attention. You have taken it upon yourself to try and discredit ANY contributions to technology, public service, emergency communications or education and training that Amateur Radio offers. It's vile, repugnant, and untruthful. As long as you deem it your "purpose" to do so, I will do MY best to expose you for the antagonist and mistruthful putz that you are. It's not fighting, Lennie. It's self defense. It really is THAT simple. Those who want to FIGHT all the time just aren't right in the head...aren't like average, normal folks. No "degree" or pretty license document needed to see that. Then you're admitting you have a problem, Lennie? You're up to YOUR neck in fighting. You intentionally harass a group of people involved in a practice that you clearly have no vested interest in nor do you have anything constructive to offer. Poor nursie. Never been involved with the larger world of radio, only other amateurs and posturing, always FIGHTING. I've been in the larger world of radio for half a century. Radio is not a magical mystery to me nor is communications of any sort by visual or audible means. Seems to me you're the one who brought the fight in, Lennie. You were offered SEVERAL apologies and offers to move on, but your answers were clearly designed to simply perpetuate an argument. You have nothing to offer. Never did...never will...Your only "argument" is that other radio services don't use Morse Code, ergo Amateur Radio should not. Proof once again that you dont understand a lot of what Amateur Radio is about. But that's just par for the course. Despite your FIGHT-challenging Phrazors, no one needs to be some kind of federal merit badge in amaterism to talk, discuss, or consider laws and regulations on radio subjects. That sort of demand is for weak-minded idiots who can't debate anything requiring intellect above and beyond 16 neurons. The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. You don't. You are still determined to see that Amateur Radio heels to your barked order despite having no real idea of what Amateur Radio is or what it's really all about, save for what you read on websites. Amateur Radio is NOT the "aerospace industry". Amatuer Radio is NOT PLMRS, GMRS, FRS or MURS. Amateur Radio is NOT military communications. Amateur Radio is NOT "commercial" or "professional" communications. I'd dare say that everyone else in this forum EXCEPT you knows those things and accepts them, yet you keep trying to force Amateur Radio into one of those molds. It won't work. Nursie, you don't show any evidence of being able to intellectualize a damn thing. You can be shown government documents defining describing and detailing a radio service and you still REFUSE to accept that. You call all who disagree with you for "liars." You want to have physical confrontations with some who disagree with you. In short, all you want to do in here is FIGHT. That's insane. The only thing here "insane", Lennie, is your refusal to act your age. And that's considerable. I already acknowledged the enabling directives of MARS. They are not in question. YOU are the idiot for trying to argue that they are. MARS, without the thousands of volunteer Amateurs who man it, would not be able to carry out those duties those directives require. Period. Only a major manpower restructuring in the Armed Forces would allow it, and under present circumstances, that is highly unlikely. And I don't need to "intellectualize" anything. (Nice touch, byt the way, Lennie...lamenting my allegedged inability to "intellectualize" with yet more profanity...THAT was truly "intellectual") As for being a liar, Lennie, if you would tell the truth and stop your antgonistic constructs, I wouldn't have anything to work with. You have been repeatedly caught not telling the truth. You make accusations and assertions you cannot/will not substantiate. You assert that you intend to do things, but then never do them. Get some help. Get some tranquilizers. Whatever. It's tiring to come into this forum and finding you FIGHTING with others all the time, talking crazy things. Nuts. Then stop posting obviously inflammatory, profane, obnoxious and incorrect stuff, Lennie. We don't care how well you can candy coat your rants with cut-and-pastes from other websites. Life DOES exist outside of websites, although you seem to insist that if it's "on the website", that's the end of it. How foolish. We don't care about how many messages you watched flash across the teleprinter in 1953, or how many jobs you held. We don't care about some articles you had published in a magazine that failed, nor do we care about your manufactured experiences in aviation or emergency communications. You have zero-point-zero experience in Amateur Radio. None. You accuse ME of doing nothing but "fighting", yet name calling, accusations and harrassment is ALL you have rendered up, even to those who treat you with respect or patience. Sorry you can't be happy, Lennie. Steve, K4YZ |
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June 23rd 04, 10:32 PM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Except to a few, such as nursie. How would you know, Leonard? I think Steve enjoys amateur radio. I know that Jim Miccolis and Brian Kelly enjoy amateur radio. I'm still filled with enthusiasm for amateur radio. How are you enjoying all that amateur radio has to offer? Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Nursie only represent himself. If Steve has an amateur radio license, he certainly represents at least a part of amateur radio in the U.S. It is a cinch that you don't represent amateur radio. You don't hold an amateur license. Nursie is also obsessive-compulsive personality hater unable to control himself in here when opposed by anyone. The name "Leonard" could easily be substituted above. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. I do not "antagonize the rest of 'you'" unless the "rest" are just alternate personalities of nursie. I DO antagonize the conservative traditionalists, the status-quoists who demand everything in a hobby conform to their personal desires. So anyone who holds a conservative view or who supports or respects amateur radio's traditions becomes a target for your silliness. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. Thus anyone who doesn't agree with your views of how amateur radio should be regulated becomes a control freak dictator. On the other hand, we have you, a non-participant in amateur radio, who'd like to tell us who should be able to become a radio amateur and what areas should be tested. What descriptive term can you come up with for an individual with your characteristics? Living a life of fantasy is simply delusional. It serves no one, not even the fantasy believer. I tend to agree with you, Len. So what do we do about your fantasy that you're somehow involved in amateur radio? Every issue under discussion has many sides. One side, the one nursie believes, is NOT divinely ordained to be only the True one. Sad for nursie, but true. Not every issue has many sides, Len. Let's take the following as an example: Leonard H. Anderson is not a participant in amateur radio. That one seems divinely ordained as truth. Nursie abhors opposition, wants to dominate, wants to win at all costs, wants to FIGHT. If we sub "Leonard" for "Nursie", we'd have a fairly accurate view of your puerile behavior. United States amateur radio is not a military organization whose purpose is to fight for the country. It matters not, Len. Whatever amateur radio is or is not, you have nothing to do with it. ...by entering this newsgroup, EVERYONE enters an arena of outraged PCTAs busy trying to preserve the honor and glory of a soon-to-be DEFUNCT communications mode. It is a FIGHT arena inhabited by punch-drunk olde-fahrts thinking they are all Rocky running up the museum steps to stirring music. :-) And there we have it, your view of the situation. As the oldest fart present and, to my knowledge, the only non-radio amateur, you'd best go into training. You might want to start with some Mantovani and work your way up to the stirring music. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. Seems to me that the above is quite descriptive of your actions, Len. Amateur radio is not golf. Amateur radio doesn't have the balls for it. :-) Apparently, neither do you. The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. ...and a very large fantasy in addition to pretty certificates (suitable for framing). FCC not require staff or commissioners to be radio amateurs in order to regulate amateur radio in USA. As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, FCC staffers and commissioners are paid to regulate amateur radio. You don't regulate amateur radio. You aren't an FCC staffer or commissioner. You aren't a participant in amateur radio. Dave K8MN |
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June 24th 04, 05:12 AM
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Except to a few, such as nursie. How would you know, Leonard? I think Steve enjoys amateur radio. I know that Jim Miccolis and Brian Kelly enjoy amateur radio. I'm still filled with enthusiasm for amateur radio. How are you enjoying all that amateur radio has to offer? Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Nursie only represent himself. If Steve has an amateur radio license, he certainly represents at least a part of amateur radio in the U.S. It is a cinch that you don't represent amateur radio. You don't hold an amateur license. Nursie is also obsessive-compulsive personality hater unable to control himself in here when opposed by anyone. The name "Leonard" could easily be substituted above. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. I do not "antagonize the rest of 'you'" unless the "rest" are just alternate personalities of nursie. I DO antagonize the conservative traditionalists, the status-quoists who demand everything in a hobby conform to their personal desires. So anyone who holds a conservative view or who supports or respects amateur radio's traditions becomes a target for your silliness. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. Thus anyone who doesn't agree with your views of how amateur radio should be regulated becomes a control freak dictator. On the other hand, we have you, a non-participant in amateur radio, who'd like to tell us who should be able to become a radio amateur and what areas should be tested. What descriptive term can you come up with for an individual with your characteristics? Living a life of fantasy is simply delusional. It serves no one, not even the fantasy believer. I tend to agree with you, Len. So what do we do about your fantasy that you're somehow involved in amateur radio? Every issue under discussion has many sides. One side, the one nursie believes, is NOT divinely ordained to be only the True one. Sad for nursie, but true. Not every issue has many sides, Len. Let's take the following as an example: Leonard H. Anderson is not a participant in amateur radio. That one seems divinely ordained as truth. Nursie abhors opposition, wants to dominate, wants to win at all costs, wants to FIGHT. If we sub "Leonard" for "Nursie", we'd have a fairly accurate view of your puerile behavior. United States amateur radio is not a military organization whose purpose is to fight for the country. It matters not, Len. Whatever amateur radio is or is not, you have nothing to do with it. ...by entering this newsgroup, EVERYONE enters an arena of outraged PCTAs busy trying to preserve the honor and glory of a soon-to-be DEFUNCT communications mode. It is a FIGHT arena inhabited by punch-drunk olde-fahrts thinking they are all Rocky running up the museum steps to stirring music. :-) And there we have it, your view of the situation. As the oldest fart present and, to my knowledge, the only non-radio amateur, you'd best go into training. You might want to start with some Mantovani and work your way up to the stirring music. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. Seems to me that the above is quite descriptive of your actions, Len. Amateur radio is not golf. Amateur radio doesn't have the balls for it. :-) Apparently, neither do you. The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. ...and a very large fantasy in addition to pretty certificates (suitable for framing). FCC not require staff or commissioners to be radio amateurs in order to regulate amateur radio in USA. As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, FCC staffers and commissioners are paid to regulate amateur radio. You don't regulate amateur radio. You aren't an FCC staffer or commissioner. You aren't a participant in amateur radio. |
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June 24th 04, 06:10 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Except to a few, such as nursie. How would you know, Leonard? I think Steve enjoys amateur radio. I know that Jim Miccolis and Brian Kelly enjoy amateur radio. I'm still filled with enthusiasm for amateur radio. How are you enjoying all that amateur radio has to offer? Nursie does NOT "represent" all or even a part of United States amateur radio. Nursie only represent himself. If Steve has an amateur radio license, he certainly represents at least a part of amateur radio in the U.S. It is a cinch that you don't represent amateur radio. You don't hold an amateur license. Nursie is also obsessive-compulsive personality hater unable to control himself in here when opposed by anyone. The name "Leonard" could easily be substituted above. Some Amateur made a fool out of you at some point in time (not that THAT is hard to do...) and you are determined to antagonize the rest of us as long as you can. I do not "antagonize the rest of 'you'" unless the "rest" are just alternate personalities of nursie. I DO antagonize the conservative traditionalists, the status-quoists who demand everything in a hobby conform to their personal desires. So anyone who holds a conservative view or who supports or respects amateur radio's traditions becomes a target for your silliness. I DO antagonize those who have a compulsive disorder known familiarly as "control freaks" who seek to dominate others by any means possible. Those are simply wanna-be dictators. Thus anyone who doesn't agree with your views of how amateur radio should be regulated becomes a control freak dictator. On the other hand, we have you, a non-participant in amateur radio, who'd like to tell us who should be able to become a radio amateur and what areas should be tested. What descriptive term can you come up with for an individual with your characteristics? Living a life of fantasy is simply delusional. It serves no one, not even the fantasy believer. I tend to agree with you, Len. So what do we do about your fantasy that you're somehow involved in amateur radio? Every issue under discussion has many sides. One side, the one nursie believes, is NOT divinely ordained to be only the True one. Sad for nursie, but true. Not every issue has many sides, Len. Let's take the following as an example: Leonard H. Anderson is not a participant in amateur radio. That one seems divinely ordained as truth. Nursie abhors opposition, wants to dominate, wants to win at all costs, wants to FIGHT. If we sub "Leonard" for "Nursie", we'd have a fairly accurate view of your puerile behavior. United States amateur radio is not a military organization whose purpose is to fight for the country. It matters not, Len. Whatever amateur radio is or is not, you have nothing to do with it. ...by entering this newsgroup, EVERYONE enters an arena of outraged PCTAs busy trying to preserve the honor and glory of a soon-to-be DEFUNCT communications mode. It is a FIGHT arena inhabited by punch-drunk olde-fahrts thinking they are all Rocky running up the museum steps to stirring music. :-) And there we have it, your view of the situation. As the oldest fart present and, to my knowledge, the only non-radio amateur, you'd best go into training. You might want to start with some Mantovani and work your way up to the stirring music. Nursie want to be center of attention. Ego drive. Uses all palaver in here to divert from real debate he cannot handle, will not handle if it is against his own precious opinions. Seems to me that the above is quite descriptive of your actions, Len. Amateur radio is not golf. Amateur radio doesn't have the balls for it. :-) Apparently, neither do you. The difference here, Lennie, is that I have experience in Amateur Radio. ...and a very large fantasy in addition to pretty certificates (suitable for framing). FCC not require staff or commissioners to be radio amateurs in order to regulate amateur radio in USA. As has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, FCC staffers and commissioners are paid to regulate amateur radio. You don't regulate amateur radio. You aren't an FCC staffer or commissioner. You aren't a participant in amateur radio. I guess you told me, Len. Dave K8MN |
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June 25th 04, 01:54 AM
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: I guess you told me, Len. Say goodnight, Dave... LHA / WMD |
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June 25th 04, 05:48 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: I guess you told me, Len. Say goodnight, Dave... " ", Len added. Dave K8MN |
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#8
June 24th 04, 06:05 AM
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In article , Dave Heil
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. Say goodnight, Dave. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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June 24th 04, 06:14 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN |
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June 24th 04, 02:22 PM
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Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are, telling me of acts of heroism how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. Best of Luck. |
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