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June 25th 04, 12:17 PM
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Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly obvious. No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation with great technological learning capabilities. Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard? Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It doesn't work. Give up on that ploy. It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard. If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. Dave K8MN Interesting. I think so. I think so. I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a ham to become a ham. I don't recall that. There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. I know this'll come as a real disappointment to you, "William", but I don't hang on your every word. I have only so much space available for mental storage and I like to reserve it for the really important matters. Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would. The second part is memorable. Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild dogs that you are... Which "you guys" would that be? PCTA. Know any? I know several. Are you telling us that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here "set upon you like a pack of wild dogs" and that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here is a part of a pack of wild dogs? I don't believe you. If you disagree, you've had years to correct it. But instead, the PCTA give each other passes all day long. Hell, after six years of idiotic posts from Bruce, the Rev Jim finally got cornered and had to agree that Bruce was an idiot and his postings were abusive. ...telling me of acts of heroism... Acts of heroism? I don't believe you. Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must also face those same exams and examiners. The above is a perfect example of why I don't hang on your every word. It isn't factual and is certainly less than memorable. You'd work the out of band Frenchmen if you had to do it over again. But since those old-timey exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you? how you got the book and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a ham. No sir! No help from no one. Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a stelly-eyed examiner. Steely-eyed. K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse to increase my speed. So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So what are you disagreeing with now? Re-read the exchange above and get back to me. You knew two hams prior to being licensed. So Len could tell the kid to get a book. Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn pontifications. Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards... Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat each other as human beings. Which according to your comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information to be able to answer questions about amateur radio. A book can provide information to an extent. A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur. No good golfer became one by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book. Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your list? No, but I'd like you to take my list as a whole because it illustrates precisely the idea that I'm attempting to convey. Perhaps Steven Hawking read a book about basketball. No good radio op became one by reading a book. Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to undifferentiated radio operator. You can add the word "amateur" before radio and the meaning is still the same. They all became good radio ops by sarting with a book. You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur Radio. Have it your way. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement. Len has plenty of experience. One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single- book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who told me so are liars. You're quite right. Someone can pass an exam and become a radio amateur. Absent practice and experience, that person can be a complete lid. Even the most learned of amateurs may find himself working out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters. The shame of it is that he could have learned something from it, but didn't. Practice and experience are the keys. Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject. Not really, Brian. You have Len suggesting a book. insert snippet from above -------------- If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio is.... or that you read in a book that amateur radio is... You're shucking and jiving, Leonard. -------------- It would appear that you took the book idea and ran with it. Len has neither. Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also has formal education in the subject matter. So Len is a good golfer? Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book? I wonder why there are so many golfing books written and sold? You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and jiving. I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you don't fully understand them. Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient. How would you know that unless you are (no cap necessary) omniscient? I should have said that you are "The Omniscient!" And all others are ignorant. Not at all. I've made no such statement. We have on occasion, found some areas where you have exhibited ignorance. Natch. "You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind blows" Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind. One of my favorite country song titles, yet to be recorded: "If I Had It To Do All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You". Sounds like a tune by "Slim Chance and the Crying Cowboys." ;^) |
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#2
June 25th 04, 06:00 PM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (William) Date: 6/25/2004 6:17 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would. I'd be interested in seeing your cite of where in the rules it says that Dave, or anyone else for that matter, is responsible for making sure the OTHER station is operating within his/her nations regulatory requirements. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you? Well...are you? You KNOW my answer. Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat each other as human beings. The question is was DAVE out of band. So far, nothing he or you has indicated he was. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement. Len has plenty of experience. Dave was quite accuarate. Lennie has NO practical experience in AMATEUR Radio. No one disputes Lennie's "experience" in "radio". I am sure after all the websites he's cut and pasted from he HAS actually learned SOMETHING about Amateur Radio too, but as I am sure you know for yourself, that which one learns in a book as opposed to "how it is" is not always the same. So Len is a good golfer? Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book? I for one have no doubt that if Lennie reads a golfing book, he will be quick to let us know just how smart he is about golfing wether he's been on the links or not. Most likely not, but we'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Personally, I find golfing no more interesting than providing an adequate length of turf as an alternative runway in an emergency. It also provides me with plenty of professional opportunities since a lot of cardiac arrests are taken off the 9th hole. Usually physicians, bankers and stock brokers. Now...we await to find out just how much Lennie knows about golfing. I am sure he worked with someone in "the aerospace industry" who played golf and shared enough stories with Lennie so that he could regale us with some reasonably accurate sounding tales.. Maybe he caddy'd some while on that rear-area tour of duty in 1953.... Steve, K4YZ |
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#4
June 26th 04, 05:43 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (William) Date: 6/25/2004 6:17 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would. I'd be interested in seeing your cite of where in the rules it says that Dave, or anyone else for that matter, is responsible for making sure the OTHER station is operating within his/her nations regulatory requirements. Irrelevant. Nursie get "cite" will disagree, no matter what. Nursie not play well with "cites." :-) Lacks sight for "cite" at site. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you? Well...are you? Nursie know antenna theory? Nursie learn in nursie school, get fancy certificate with elaborate border (suitable for framing?). Nursie know which way Vector is Poynting? :-) Ex-marine always point at someone else. You KNOW my answer. Nursie answer: Garbage-mouth reply, insulting person. Nursie know squat about theory. Can only squat. Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat each other as human beings. The question is was DAVE out of band. Heil out of reality. Heil have godlike powers, never wrong. 'Cept when Reilly say "poor amateur practice" a violation. Gud thing Dave not in USA for Reilly opinion. So far, nothing he or you has indicated he was. Irrelevant. Godlike creatures no need to explain anything, always right, always superior to inferior beings. He want do it again. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement. Len has plenty of experience. Dave was quite accuarate. Heil is everything but always right. Even when "accuarate" (whatever that is...). No question ex-marine. He yell and yell til veins pop out. No matter Dave only say "radio" not "amateur radio." Lennie has NO practical experience in AMATEUR Radio. Nursie astound all with obviousness...of obtuseness. Nursie godlike being also, always right, never wrong, can insult "inferior beings" at whim. His whim always hanging out in here. He convene courts martial. He judge, he prosecutor, he jury. He yell and yell til vein pop out. No one disputes Lennie's "experience" in "radio". I am sure after all the websites he's cut and pasted from he HAS actually learned SOMETHING about Amateur Radio too, but as I am sure you know for yourself, that which one learns in a book as opposed to "how it is" is not always the same. Nursie say Hum Radio allatime different other radio. Nursie godlike, never wrong...can direct, correct DoD. Donny Rummy better watch out. Ex-marine make Donny obsolete. Nursie write own book, "Book of Facts!" Book not available outside of nursieland. Sub-title, "Chicken Soup for the Insane." So Len is a good golfer? Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book? I for one have no doubt that if Lennie reads a golfing book, he will be quick to let us know just how smart he is about golfing wether he's been on the links or not. No have golfing book. Got balls. Why golf books sell so well? Nobody ever learn a thing from golfing book. All bout pro-golf. Not help amateur golf. Nursie nutso. Ask VA. Dey have record open for public see. Temper fry... He yell and yell til vein pop out. Sumpin bad might happen him keep doin dat. LHA / WMD Why we talk like marine go native? |
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#5
June 26th 04, 07:52 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (William) Date: 6/25/2004 6:17 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would. I'd be interested in seeing your cite of where in the rules it says that Dave, or anyone else for that matter, is responsible for making sure the OTHER station is operating within his/her nations regulatory requirements. Irrelevant. Nursie get "cite" will disagree, no matter what. Nursie not play well with "cites." :-) Lacks sight for "cite" at site. Nursie big murine, got good "eye cite." Nursie not read 4650.2, say MARS IS amateur radio. Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet? I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you? Well...are you? Nursie know antenna theory? Nursie learn in nursie school, get fancy certificate with elaborate border (suitable for framing?). Nursie know which way Vector is Poynting? :-) Ex-marine always point at someone else. Nursie point with one finger, forget four other point back to him. Nursie top banana hum radio, know all fields and waves personally. Nursie think Maxwell's Equations describe Jack Benny auto. You KNOW my answer. Nursie answer: Garbage-mouth reply, insulting person. Nursie know squat about theory. Can only squat. Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band" or would belong to someone else. So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat each other as human beings. The question is was DAVE out of band. Heil out of reality. Heil have godlike powers, never wrong. 'Cept when Reilly say "poor amateur practice" a violation. Gud thing Dave not in USA for Reilly opinion. Hollingsworth one of few at FCC have hum radio license. Heil, nursie superior to FCC, all others, never make violation. So far, nothing he or you has indicated he was. Irrelevant. Godlike creatures no need to explain anything, always right, always superior to inferior beings. He want do it again. Headmaster think all inferiors be schoolboys, he whip them into submission. Not play well with others. Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio. Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement. Len has plenty of experience. Dave was quite accuarate. Heil is everything but always right. Even when "accuarate" (whatever that is...). No question ex-marine. He yell and yell til veins pop out. No matter Dave only say "radio" not "amateur radio." Snarl, top-bananas, snarl. Pop, vein, pop. Anger, hate from top-banana hum radio extras. Not good sign. At entrance nursieworld, signpost up ahead, "Entering the Twilight Zone, a dimension of sight and sound signifying not much." Lennie has NO practical experience in AMATEUR Radio. Nursie astound all with obviousness...of obtuseness. Nursie godlike being also, always right, never wrong, can insult "inferior beings" at whim. His whim always hanging out in here. He convene courts martial. He judge, he prosecutor, he jury. He yell and yell til vein pop out. Yell, nursie, yell. Pop, vein, pop. Noise, hate, anger from nursieworld. No one disputes Lennie's "experience" in "radio". I am sure after all the websites he's cut and pasted from he HAS actually learned SOMETHING about Amateur Radio too, but as I am sure you know for yourself, that which one learns in a book as opposed to "how it is" is not always the same. Nursie say Hum Radio allatime different other radio. Nursie godlike, never wrong...can direct, correct DoD. Donny Rummy better watch out. Ex-marine make Donny obsolete. Ex-murine Chief of Stuff. All salute. Heil. Nursie write own book, "Book of Facts!" Book not available outside of nursieland. Sub-title, "Chicken Soup for the Insane." Andy Warhol doing portrait. Not good. Warhol SK. No problem. Nursie anger, hate gonna make him SK. Type A behavior. Classic. So Len is a good golfer? Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book? I for one have no doubt that if Lennie reads a golfing book, he will be quick to let us know just how smart he is about golfing wether he's been on the links or not. No have golfing book. Got balls. Why golf books sell so well? Nobody ever learn a thing from golfing book. All bout pro-golf. Not help amateur golf. Country need ham golf league. Organize, put Hq in New England. Publish magazines, books, charge shipping. Big thing. Lobby DC, make important noise. Yell hate, anger against pros. Pros have balls. For sport. Hum radio contesters sit at desk, never get up, have very wet wastebaskets. Not physical sport. Hum radio think so, therefore be sport. Nursie nutso. Ask VA. Dey have record open for public see. Not bother. Ask about nursie, VA have pre-recorded message, "this individual is pre-recorded, monitored for safety." Temper fry... He yell and yell til vein pop out. Sumpin bad might happen him keep doin dat. Like small cherry bomb go off. Shut-down switch finally thrown. Why we talk like marine go native? Short-talk like CW, improve rate, make 20 WPM look like 200, reduce bandwidth. Minimize humor. Hum radio very serious. No humor allowed. All be to procedure, fill out forms proper, make like big-shot radio pros of 1930. Hum radio important have narrow, narrow bandwidth. Always was, always so. Tradition. Venerate tradition, keep on Mt. Olympus to please radio gods. Short-talk use minimal bandwidth. Easy to understand by collitch edumcated nursies, ex foreign office high- livers. Why word "abbreviation" so long? :-) |
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#6
June 28th 04, 12:31 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: Why we talk like marine go native? Short-talk like CW, improve rate, make 20 WPM look like 200, reduce bandwidth. Minimize humor. Hum radio very serious. No humor allowed. All be to procedure, fill out forms proper, make like big-shot radio pros of 1930. I claim bi-lingual. Speak english as first language and speak english as second language. Hi, hi. I go claim benefit. Where VA? Hum radio important have narrow, narrow bandwidth. Always was, always so. Tradition. Venerate tradition, keep on Mt. Olympus to please radio gods. Short-talk use minimal bandwidth. Easy to understand by collitch edumcated nursies, ex foreign office high- livers. Oooh. Nosay liver. Might be VA disbilitater. Seben hostile action with Jack Danyell. Why word "abbreviation" so long? :-) Me no no. Make up Q-word for abbreviation. QABBREVIATION. I so smart. Hi, hi. |
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#7
June 28th 04, 06:24 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: Why we talk like marine go native? Short-talk like CW, improve rate, make 20 WPM look like 200, reduce bandwidth. Minimize humor. Hum radio very serious. No humor allowed. All be to procedure, fill out forms proper, make like big-shot radio pros of 1930. I claim bi-lingual. Speak english as first language and speak english as second language. Hi, hi. I go claim benefit. Where VA? VA in east, one of original 13 states. :-) Hum radio important have narrow, narrow bandwidth. Always was, always so. Tradition. Venerate tradition, keep on Mt. Olympus to please radio gods. Short-talk use minimal bandwidth. Easy to understand by collitch edumcated nursies, ex foreign office high- livers. Oooh. Nosay liver. Might be VA disbilitater. Seben hostile action with Jack Danyell. Gulp, gulp, bang, bang. That be two hostile actions. So long liver.......sing "Liver come back to me..." Why word "abbreviation" so long? :-) Me no no. Mankind invented language to satisfy his need to complain. - anon. Make up Q-word for abbreviation. QABBREVIATION. I so smart. Hi, hi. Careful, Brian become movie star in 007 laboratory as "Q." :-) Len |
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#8
June 27th 04, 02:39 PM
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Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (William) Date: 6/26/2004 11:43 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Why we talk like marine go native? Perhaps because you're a narrow minded, pathological, lying bigot? But that's just a guess on my part. Of course it's pretty well established that you ARE a narrow minded, pathological lying bigot, so I guess that's accurate afterall! Leave us not forget those words of wisdom that you yourself uttered: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue.". Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
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#9
June 27th 04, 07:48 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (William) Date: 6/26/2004 11:43 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Why we talk like marine go native? Perhaps because you're a narrow minded, pathological, lying bigot? Snarl, nursie, snarl. Nurse hate, hate, hate. Obsession. Not nice. Nursie forgot inference of homosexuality and abuse of youngsters. Nursie not in self-control. Nursie not good PR for extra super special class hum radio opertator. But that's just a guess on my part. Of course it's pretty well established that you ARE a narrow minded, pathological lying bigot, so I guess that's accurate afterall! Nursie go nuts with hate. Nursie have mean diss and curse. Not same "meaningful discourse." Nursie have too many refers? Leave us not forget those words of wisdom that you yourself uttered: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue.". Nursie need help, tranquilizers, padded cell, form-fitting jacket? Nursie allatime do mean diss and curse. Not good. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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#10
June 29th 04, 03:37 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: The Game's Afoot! From: (William) Date: 6/26/2004 11:43 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Why we talk like marine go native? Perhaps because you're a narrow minded, pathological, lying bigot? Snarl, nursie, snarl. Nurse hate, hate, hate. Obsession. Not nice. Nursie forgot inference of homosexuality and abuse of youngsters. Nursie not in self-control. He say bad thing bout people not true. He make repulsive inference bout people not true. He awful being. Nursie not good PR for extra super special class hum radio opertator. He just starchy tater too much couch time. But that's just a guess on my part. Of course it's pretty well established that you ARE a narrow minded, pathological lying bigot, so I guess that's accurate afterall! Nursie go nuts with hate. Nursie have mean diss and curse. Not same "meaningful discourse." Nursie have too many refers? He only know mean discourse, not meaningful Leave us not forget those words of wisdom that you yourself uttered: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue.". Nursie need help, tranquilizers, padded cell, form-fitting jacket? Nursie allatime do mean diss and curse. Not good. Temper fry... Now he call number again. He yell and yell so mean, not meaningful. |
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