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June 26th 04, 05:06 AM

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(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
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William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
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William wrote:

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Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees.
That's blatantly
obvious.

No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine
recreation
with great technological learning capabilities.

Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard?

Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It
doesn't work. Give up on that ploy.

It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard.

If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe
should
be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says,
"What
can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best
you'll be
able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur
radio
is....
or that you read in a book that amateur radio is...

You're shucking and jiving, Leonard.

Dave K8MN

Interesting.

I think so.

I think so.

I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a
ham to become a ham.

I don't recall that.

There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you
know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.

I know this'll come as a real disappointment to you, "William", but I
don't hang on your every word. I have only so much space available for
mental storage and I like to reserve it for the really important
matters.

Just don't forget that the world's greatest DXer worked out of band
frenchmen on 6 meters, and if he had to do it over again, he would.

The second part is memorable.

Heil have godlike powers, never wrong, ever.

Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild
dogs that you are...

Which "you guys" would that be?

PCTA. Know any?

I know several. Are you telling us that everyone who is for morse
testing and who posts here "set upon you like a pack of wild dogs" and
that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here is a part of a
pack of wild dogs? I don't believe you.

If you disagree, you've had years to correct it. But instead, the
PCTA give each other passes all day long. Hell, after six years of
idiotic posts from Bruce, the Rev Jim finally got cornered and had to
agree that Bruce was an idiot and his postings were abusive.

Rev. Jimmie Who is turning, has now reverted to old self,
slyly snarling.

Expect another Sermon on the Antenna Mount from Jimmie,
soon after Field Day (in the park).

...telling me of acts of heroism...

Acts of heroism? I don't believe you.

Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the
old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must
also face those same exams and examiners.

The above is a perfect example of why I don't hang on your every word.
It isn't factual and is certainly less than memorable.

You'd work the out of band Frenchmen if you had to do it over again.

Maybe Heil get french kiss from orion, get oriongasm?

:-)

But since those old-timey
exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not
worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P.

Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet?

I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you?

EVERYONE not agreeing with Heil be "not worthy!" :-)

how you got the book
and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became
a
ham. No sir! No help from no one.

Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a
stelly-eyed examiner.

Steely-eyed.

K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked
my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me
and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse
to increase my speed.

So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So
what are you disagreeing with now?

Re-read the exchange above and get back to me.

You knew two hams prior to being licensed.

He buy one in market? :-)

So Len could tell the kid to get a book.

Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn
Lenhorn
pontifications.

Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards...

Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band"
or would belong to someone else.

So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat
each other as human beings.

Heh heh heh. Ordinary mortals cannot get along with radio
gods...must all be subservient to godlike creatures doing bad
imitations of Otto Preminger. :-)

Which according to your
comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information
to be able to answer questions about amateur radio.

A book can provide information to an extent.

A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur.

No good golfer became one
by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book.

Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your
list?

No, but I'd like you to take my list as a whole because it illustrates
precisely the idea that I'm attempting to convey.

Perhaps Steven Hawking read a book about basketball.

Not good to pin Heil to mat so many times. He will
complain to the Armenian judges and they chant
something awful. So does Heil, come to think of it. :-)

No good radio op became one by reading a book.

Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and
change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to
undifferentiated radio operator.

You can add the word "amateur" before radio and the meaning is still the
same.

They all became good radio ops by sarting with a book.

Impossible in Heil fantasyland.

All who are "interested" in radio MUST get ham license.
Cannot be "interested" in radio without that license in Heil
fantasyland.

You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the
subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur
Radio. Have it your way.

Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact
is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio.

Ooops. You forgot to remove the word "amateur" from your statement.

Heil never make mistake. Heil godlike, always right.

When Heil make actual mistake, is merely "clarification"
for the inferior. :-)

Len has plenty of experience.

Not at all in Heil fantasyland. Heil issue orders.

All "interested" in radio MUST get amateur license.

No amateur license, not "interested' in radio, be inferior,
unworthy, beneath royal burple of godlike nobility. So
be it in Heil fantasyland.

One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single-
book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who
told me so are liars.

You're quite right. Someone can pass an exam and become a radio amateur.
Absent practice and experience, that person can be a complete lid.

Even the most learned of amateurs may find himself working out of band
Frenchmen on 6 meters. The shame of it is that he could have learned
something from it, but didn't.

Heil not need to "Learn" anything. Heil already godlike,
never wrong. He be superior. Always, anything.

Practice and experience are the keys.

Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject.

Not really, Brian. You have Len suggesting a book.

insert snippet from above
--------------
If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe
should
be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says,
"What
can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best
you'll be
able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur
radio
is....
or that you read in a book that amateur radio is...

You're shucking and jiving, Leonard.
--------------

It would appear that you took the book idea and ran with it.

Heil infuriated that book "Ham Radio for Dummies" exists?

tsk, tsk. Demeans his Royal Court. Makes him jester.

That bad.

Len has neither.

Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You
don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio
operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book
reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also
has formal education in the subject matter.

So Len is a good golfer?

Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book?

Len play golf. Gave up. Had to pay Heil greens fee.

Heil green that others have bigger outside-of-hum-radio
experience. Big greens fee!

Heil are hole in one.

I wonder why there are so many golfing books written and sold?

[golf world will sell anything not nailed down...:-) ]

You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've
worked
down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are
contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and
jiving.

I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you
don't fully understand them.

Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient.

How would you know that unless you are (no cap necessary) omniscient?

I should have said that you are "The Omniscient!"

Heil have godlike powers, allowed to strike dunder and blitzen
on all inferior beings.

Santa Claus need new team. Dunder and blitzen on strike.

And all others are ignorant.

Not at all. I've made no such statement. We have on occasion, found
some areas where you have exhibited ignorance.

Natch.

All disagreeing with Heil are inferior. Radio god has spoken,
defined such.

"You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind
blows"

Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind.

One of my favorite country song titles, yet to be recorded:
"If I Had It To Do All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You".

Sounds like a tune by "Slim Chance and the Crying Cowboys." ;^)

Boo hoo. Rainy weather.

Grand old Opry go dark when Heil sing. Radio gods have no
godlike power in C&W.

LHA / WMD

June 26th 04, 07:39 AM

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The second part is memorable.

Heil have godlike powers, never wrong, ever.

You and the diverse group of personalities inhabiting the tired shell of
Leonard Anderson don't seem to be able to reach a consensus on the issue
of whether I am a radio god or not.

Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild
dogs that you are...

Which "you guys" would that be?

PCTA. Know any?

I know several. Are you telling us that everyone who is for morse
testing and who posts here "set upon you like a pack of wild dogs" and
that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here is a part of a
pack of wild dogs? I don't believe you.

If you disagree, you've had years to correct it. But instead, the
PCTA give each other passes all day long. Hell, after six years of
idiotic posts from Bruce, the Rev Jim finally got cornered and had to
agree that Bruce was an idiot and his postings were abusive.

Rev. Jimmie Who is turning, has now reverted to old self,
slyly snarling.

Expect another Sermon on the Antenna Mount from Jimmie,
soon after Field Day (in the park).

Does this mean that the California Halfwatt won't be a Field Day
participant? Most FD groups welcome visitors. You may even get an ARRL
pamphlet, Leonard.

But since those old-timey
exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not
worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P.

Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet?

I think you're telling me I'm not worthy. Are you?

EVERYONE not agreeing with Heil be "not worthy!" :-)

Not at all, Leonard, but you don't seem to be able to come up with that
"Extra right out of the box" and Number One Son can't seem to figure out
that end fed antenna.

Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band"
or would belong to someone else.

So you and Len do have something in common. Now maybe you can treat
each other as human beings.

Heh heh heh. Ordinary mortals cannot get along with radio
gods...must all be subservient to godlike creatures doing bad
imitations of Otto Preminger. :-)

Am I radio god or not? Your earlier posts on the subject reveal some
indecision on your part. Meanwhile, feel free to continue your
pretend-radio-amateur game.

Which according to your
comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information
to be able to answer questions about amateur radio.

A book can provide information to an extent.

A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur.

No good golfer became one
by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book.

Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your
list?

No, but I'd like you to take my list as a whole because it illustrates
precisely the idea that I'm attempting to convey.

Perhaps Steven Hawking read a book about basketball.

Not good to pin Heil to mat so many times.

Pipsquawk's record on his attempts is even worse than yours.

They all became good radio ops by sarting with a book.

Impossible in Heil fantasyland.

All who are "interested" in radio MUST get ham license.
Cannot be "interested" in radio without that license in Heil
fantasyland.

You haunt an amateur radio newsgroup and expound on your peculiar ideas
about how best to regulate something in which you are not involved and
you think I live in a fantasyland? That's rich, Foghorn.

Len has plenty of experience.

Not at all in Heil fantasyland. Heil issue orders.

You believe that any comment becomes a "demand" or an "order. Which of
us lives in a fantasyland?

All "interested" in radio MUST get amateur license.

I've written "interested in amateur radio" on numerous occasions. You
conveniently make the same error over and over and over.

No amateur license, not "interested' in radio, be inferior,
unworthy, beneath royal burple of godlike nobility. So
be it in Heil fantasyland.

No amateur license. Not interest enough in amateur radio to even
attempt an exam. You have no need to write of unworthiness, royal
anything or godlike nobility. You're simply irrelevant to amateur
radio.

Heil infuriated that book "Ham Radio for Dummies" exists?

Am I? I think it would make the perfect gift for a fellow like
yourself.
I already have an amateur radio license.

tsk, tsk. Demeans his Royal Court. Makes him jester.

That bad.

Len has neither.

Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You
don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio
operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book
reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also
has formal education in the subject matter.

So Len is a good golfer?

Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book?

Len play golf. Gave up. Had to pay Heil greens fee.

So you'd have Heil to pay.

Heil green that others have bigger outside-of-hum-radio
experience. Big greens fee!

I have experience both in and out of amateur radio. You are not involved
in amateur radio in any capacity.

Heil are hole in one.

....and you are a hole in here.

Heil have godlike powers, allowed to strike dunder and blitzen
on all inferior beings.

Which one of you is Dunder and which is Blitzen?

Dave K8MN

June 26th 04, 11:25 AM

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: Dave Heil
Date: 6/26/2004 12:39 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Heil have godlike powers, never wrong, ever.

You and the diverse group of personalities inhabiting the tired shell of
Leonard Anderson don't seem to be able to reach a consensus on the issue
of whether I am a radio god or not.

Yeah...What's up with that?

One post he's decrying you as a god.

Then't you're "god-like".

Then "you're not an amateur radio god".

Expect another Sermon on the Antenna Mount from Jimmie,
soon after Field Day (in the park).

Does this mean that the California Halfwatt won't be a Field Day
participant? Most FD groups welcome visitors. You may even get an ARRL
pamphlet, Leonard.

"Halfwatt" is good...as in the maximum allowable power for an FRS device.

Of course we COULD allow him the benefit of the MAXIMUM allowable power
that he can presently run...FIVE watts. I am sure Lennie can find any of his
"I am an engineer but I refuse to get an Amateur License because of the code
test" cronies on 11 meters.

EVERYONE not agreeing with Heil be "not worthy!"

Not at all, Leonard, but you don't seem to be able to come up with that
"Extra right out of the box" and Number One Son can't seem to figure out
that end fed antenna.

Getting close to four years...If I had a box of cereal sitting here open
that long you cold play tiddly-winks with them...Or they'd be powder.

Heh heh heh. Ordinary mortals cannot get along with radio
gods...must all be subservient to godlike creatures doing bad
imitations of Otto Preminger.

Am I radio god or not? Your earlier posts on the subject reveal some
indecision on your part. Meanwhile, feel free to continue your
pretend-radio-amateur game.

Actually Otto Preminger is JUST who I think of when I think of Lennie.
And the Otto that makes me think of him MOST is when he is playing the
Kommandant in "Stalag 17", getting dressed to talk to "Herr General", clicking
his heels at the orders and thinking he has Lt Dunbar by the nads...

Of course it doesn't turn out that way...

It never does for people like Lennie....

Not good to pin Heil to mat so many times.

Pipsquawk's record on his attempts is even worse than yours.

What's really funny is Lennie thinking he's even in a ring!

Funny to see Lennie making suggestions of "pin(ning) Heil to the mat",
when it's Lennie who has, in just the last few days, amdae so many attempts to
"diss" me by alledging that all I want to do is "fight".

It's another one of those "I hope nobody notices" things.

Problem is, like the King With New Clothes", EVERYONE notices.

They all became good radio ops by sarting with a book.

Impossible in Heil fantasyland.

All who are "interested" in radio MUST get ham license.
Cannot be "interested" in radio without that license in Heil
fantasyland.

You haunt an amateur radio newsgroup and expound on your peculiar ideas
about how best to regulate something in which you are not involved and
you think I live in a fantasyland? That's rich, Foghorn.

But of COURSE, Dave! EVERYONE except Lennie is "nuts" or "lives in a
fantasyland" when thier views don't coincide with The Great Professional".

No amateur license, not "interested' in radio, be inferior,
unworthy, beneath royal burple of godlike nobility. So
be it in Heil fantasyland.

No amateur license. Not interest enough in amateur radio to even
attempt an exam. You have no need to write of unworthiness, royal
anything or godlike nobility. You're simply irrelevant to amateur
radio.

Uhhhhh.....I woulnd't quite say "irrelevant", Dave...

Lennie is the benchmark against which I personally grade "cheat", "liar",
"antagonist", and "incompetent".

Heil infuriated that book "Ham Radio for Dummies" exists?

Am I? I think it would make the perfect gift for a fellow like
yourself.
I already have an amateur radio license.

And mention in every Amateur Radio publication over the last 10 years or
more on more than one occassion.

Lennie's name only appeared in one, and after it did, they went toes-up.
What's THAT tell ya...?!?!

Dunno? Did Len read a golfing book?

Len play golf. Gave up. Had to pay Heil greens fee.

So you'd have Heil to pay.

I knew we'd get SOME suggestion that he now knows golf.

Heil green that others have bigger outside-of-hum-radio
experience. Big greens fee!

I have experience both in and out of amateur radio. You are not involved
in amateur radio in any capacity.

I'd rather hear about Heil's non-Amateur experiences than Lennie's.

And I know I'd have a long time getting to them if I took time to hear his
IN-Amateur experiences first...

Heil are hole in one.

...and you are a hole in here.

Dare we say EVERYwhere...?!?! I think this is one we can pretty much grant
Lennie without need for further proof. He's done a pretty good job.

Heil have godlike powers, allowed to strike dunder and blitzen
on all inferior beings.

Which one of you is Dunder and which is Blitzen?

Lennie's Dunder...Brain is Blitzen.

73

Steve, K4YZ

June 26th 04, 08:52 PM

June 27th 04, 03:48 PM

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/26/2004 1:52 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Me not god. Never claim. Nursie angry, show hate. Nursie
snarl much, Heil snarl much. Nursie, Heil not play well with
others. Nursie, Heil top-banana hum radio ops, very
important, show others how hum radio done. Gods speak
to inferiors. Gods do bad PR. Not be evangelism to use
hate, anger, snarlies for motivation.

Hey Dave...I say we start sending this stuff direct to Mrs. Lennie via
snail-mail and see how much longer this silliness keeps up.

I can't believe that a woman with her alledged credentials would allow it
to go on, knowing it could get him involuntarily commited.

73

Steve, K4YZ

June 27th 04, 08:48 PM

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/26/2004 1:52 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Me not god. Never claim. Nursie angry, show hate. Nursie
snarl much, Heil snarl much. Nursie, Heil not play well with
others. Nursie, Heil top-banana hum radio ops, very
important, show others how hum radio done. Gods speak
to inferiors. Gods do bad PR. Not be evangelism to use
hate, anger, snarlies for motivation.

Hey Dave...I say we start sending this stuff direct to Mrs. Lennie via
snail-mail and see how much longer this silliness keeps up.

Nursie nuts. Nursie now challenge USPS inspectors, LAPD
stalking-crimes unit. Not mention all shrinks in area. Nursie
be shrink-rapped yet?

Nursie hostile action hero only in newsgrope, win big medals
awarded by Chief of Stuff, nursieworld murine corpse.

I can't believe that a woman with her alledged credentials would allow it
to go on, knowing it could get him involuntarily commited.

Nursie smoke too many refers. Bend mind more than ever.

Nursie allatime hate, hate, hate. Obsession. Tsk. Bad.

Temper fry...

LHA / WMD

June 29th 04, 12:51 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/26/2004 1:52 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Me not god. Never claim. Nursie angry, show hate. Nursie
snarl much, Heil snarl much. Nursie, Heil not play well with
others. Nursie, Heil top-banana hum radio ops, very
important, show others how hum radio done. Gods speak
to inferiors. Gods do bad PR. Not be evangelism to use
hate, anger, snarlies for motivation.

Hey Dave...I say we start sending this stuff direct to Mrs. Lennie via
snail-mail and see how much longer this silliness keeps up.

Nursie nuts. Nursie now challenge USPS inspectors, LAPD
stalking-crimes unit. Not mention all shrinks in area. Nursie
be shrink-rapped yet?

Why he aways want be with your wife, my wife???

I no like that. I wish he just mind his own wife. No bother other
people wifes. He not right in head.

Nursie hostile action hero only in newsgrope, win big medals
awarded by Chief of Stuff, nursieworld murine corpse.

He yell and yell. Too much noise. Youssa be funny. Jus hedake now.

I can't believe that a woman with her alledged credentials would allow it
to go on, knowing it could get him involuntarily commited.

Nursie smoke too many refers. Bend mind more than ever.

Nursie allatime hate, hate, hate. Obsession. Tsk. Bad.

Always want talk other wifes. I no like that. Very suspishus.

Maybe Jimmie Who and Great DXer wifes talk to him. Say not nice he
want talk other pople wifes. Tell him some edikette. He probby jus
yell and yell more.

Temper fry...

He need fork. He done.

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