Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:
In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)

Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us "feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?

It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.

Here's the original post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

Len doesn't exactly show good manners or professional behavior when
confronted by a differing opinion or information that proves him to be
mistaken.

For more of the same, Google that word with him as author.

Of course, Len has no amateur radio experience, but he wants to pontificate to us about How It Should Be in amateur radio.

But when you ask him how to fight the BPL

menace

he has no new ideas at all.

Lots of criticism of others on this point but no new ideas.

Most of all, note that Len tells us to

"Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts"

Shouldn't we do the same with BPL?

nope.

but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"!
Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the
art", how we live by "standards of the 1930s", how we're not really
involved in emergency work, nor technical advancement, etc., etc.,
etc. He's also been consistently critical of ARRL, even to the point
of accusing them of fraud (with absolutely no evidence).

Also seems to think that I am somehow responsible for the posts of
others....

Now he seems to think we should know how to defeat BPL - even though
he doesn't.

Odd. Very odd.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

N2EY wrote:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:


Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)

Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us "feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?


It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.

Here's the original post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

Len doesn't exactly show good manners or professional behavior when
confronted by a differing opinion or information that proves him to be
mistaken.

For more of the same, Google that word with him as author.


Of course, Len has no amateur radio experience, but he wants to pontificate to us about How It Should Be in amateur radio.

But when you ask him how to fight the BPL


menace


he has no new ideas at all.


Lots of criticism of others on this point but no new ideas.


Most of all, note that Len tells us to

"Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts"

Shouldn't we do the same with BPL?

nope.


but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"!
Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the
art",

Oh dear... I'm confused... I like both SOA equipment *and* tube radios.
It's all good!

how we live by "standards of the 1930s",

Whatever that is.

how we're not really
involved in emergency work,

hmm, I am. Plus whatever public service work that comes my way.

nor technical advancement, etc., etc.,
etc. He's also been consistently critical of ARRL, even to the point
of accusing them of fraud (with absolutely no evidence).

Yeah, I've read that. There are always some people that hate the big
dog in any kennel.

Also seems to think that I am somehow responsible for the posts of
others....

Now he seems to think we should know how to defeat BPL - even though
he doesn't.

Odd. Very odd.

High expectations for the 1930's standards people, eh?

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message
...

N2EY wrote:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)

Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us
"feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?

It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.

Here's the original post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001553%40mb-m1
8.aol.com&output=gplain

oh - btw, while on the space exploration thing...

I have no doubt that it's technically feasible to go back to the Moon,
establish a base there, and even to go to Mars. I have high cofidence that all
of the technical problems could be solved. It's just very expensive.

The problem isn't one of engineering - it's one of public policy. And such
problems are *not* to be left up to those "in the business".

Here's one way to go to Mars:

First, you need a lowcost method of getting things into earth orbit. The
"unmanned cargo space shuttle" idea is one way. Mass production of
purpose-designed dockets is another.

Second, a couple of unmanned supply ships are assembled in earth orbit. They're
unmanned because it's simpler to do it that way. There are a couple of them in
case one or two don;t make the journey intact.

Third, as soon as the supply ships are ready, they are launched towards Mars.
It may take them years to get there but it's of no consequence because they are
unmanned.

Fourth, a duo or trio of manned Mars ships are assembled in earth orbit.
There's more than one of them in case trouble develops. These ships carry only
people and the essential supplies for the trip. The landers and Mars surface
equipment are on the supply ships. This is done to reduce the weight of the
manned ships. They're "hot rods" in that they are designed primarily for speed.
They're launched towards Mars at the optimum time for a minimum-time trip. They
go to Mars, rendezvous with the supply ships and then the landers on the supply
ships go down to the Martian surface. When the surface mission is done, the
astronauts get back in the manned ships and come home.

I think all of the technical problems could be solved but the cost would be -
astronomical.

but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"!
Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the
art",

Oh dear... I'm confused... I like both SOA equipment *and* tube radios.
It's all good!

I have a confession to make....I actually have a vacuum tube transmitter...and
what's worse - I still use the thing, and even worse....I *enjoy* it...

how we live by "standards of the 1930s",

Whatever that is.

It means actually using Morse Code on the air, and thinking it's useful.

how we're not really
involved in emergency work,

hmm, I am. Plus whatever public service work that comes my way.

nor technical advancement, etc., etc.,
etc. He's also been consistently critical of ARRL, even to the point
of accusing them of fraud (with absolutely no evidence).

Yeah, I've read that. There are always some people that hate the big
dog in any kennel.

There are some who think we don't need a strong national organization at all.

Also seems to think that I am somehow responsible for the posts of
others....

Now he seems to think we should know how to defeat BPL - even though
he doesn't.

Odd. Very odd.

High expectations for the 1930's standards people, eh?

Yep.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


N2EY wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message

...

N2EY wrote:


In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:


Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)


Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us
"feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?



It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.



Here's the original post:


http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001553%40mb-m1
8.aol.com&output=gplain

oh - btw, while on the space exploration thing...

I have no doubt that it's technically feasible to go back to the Moon,
establish a base there, and even to go to Mars. I have high cofidence that all
of the technical problems could be solved. It's just very expensive.

The problem isn't one of engineering - it's one of public policy. And such
problems are *not* to be left up to those "in the business".

Here's one way to go to Mars:

First, you need a lowcost method of getting things into earth orbit. The
"unmanned cargo space shuttle" idea is one way. Mass production of
purpose-designed dockets is another.

Second, a couple of unmanned supply ships are assembled in earth orbit. They're
unmanned because it's simpler to do it that way. There are a couple of them in
case one or two don;t make the journey intact.

Third, as soon as the supply ships are ready, they are launched towards Mars.
It may take them years to get there but it's of no consequence because they are
unmanned.

Fourth, a duo or trio of manned Mars ships are assembled in earth orbit.
There's more than one of them in case trouble develops. These ships carry only
people and the essential supplies for the trip. The landers and Mars surface
equipment are on the supply ships. This is done to reduce the weight of the
manned ships. They're "hot rods" in that they are designed primarily for speed.
They're launched towards Mars at the optimum time for a minimum-time trip. They
go to Mars, rendezvous with the supply ships and then the landers on the supply
ships go down to the Martian surface. When the surface mission is done, the
astronauts get back in the manned ships and come home.

I think all of the technical problems could be solved but the cost would be -
astronomical.

Sounds like the good way to do it.



but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"!
Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the
art",

Oh dear... I'm confused... I like both SOA equipment *and* tube radios.
It's all good!


I have a confession to make....I actually have a vacuum tube transmitter...and
what's worse - I still use the thing, and even worse....I *enjoy* it...

And that is great. Tubes were pretty much out of the mainstream when I
got involved in electronics, so it isn't a Electro-Luddite thing for me.
They are simply cool.


how we live by "standards of the 1930s",

Whatever that is.


It means actually using Morse Code on the air, and thinking it's useful.

Its all good.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

I think all of the technical problems could be solved but the cost would be
astronomical.

Sounds like the good way to do it.

Of course it's not the only way, and just a layman's view.

Mars is a different proposition than the moon because it's so much farther
away. And unlike earth orbit, there's no escape nor quick resupply.

I have a confession to make....I actually have a vacuum tube
transmitter...and
what's worse - I still use the thing, and even worse....I *enjoy* it...

And that is great. Tubes were pretty much out of the mainstream when I
got involved in electronics, so it isn't a Electro-Luddite thing for me.

I entered EE school in the fall of 1972, and I think tubes were mentioned
exactly once in the coursework of all 4 years. The philosophy was that they
were similar enough to FETs that if you ever needed to know about them, you'd
be pretty close thinking of them as high-voltage FETs.

They are simply cool.

Yup.

how we live by "standards of the 1930s",

Whatever that is.

It means actually using Morse Code on the air, and thinking it's useful.

Its all good.

Exactly. But I think that really bothers some folks.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message
...

N2EY wrote:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)

Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us
"feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?

It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.

Here's the original post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001553%40mb-m1
8.aol.com&output=gplain

oh - btw, while on the space exploration thing...

Oh, BTW, this is NOT the "space exploration newsgroup." :-)

Does your amateur extra license cover "space exploration?"

Do you have lots of experience in the space business? [you
don't need any because you have that HAM license, right?]

Are you rated for "200-4?" [you don't need to have that since
you can do 20+ WPM morse...]

Ever been in an MRB? Used JAN TX parts? Wear full bunny
suits? Have to work in a "Class 100" room. Did you ever elmer
a gantry? Of course you did. Just like you counted all the beans
on the financial part of space contract proposals. No problem, you
have your old ham extra to furnish all your "qualifications."

I have no doubt that it's technically feasible to go back to the Moon,
establish a base there, and even to go to Mars. I have high cofidence that all
of the technical problems could be solved. It's just very expensive.

Now don't you worry none about this pesky little details. The League
will solve all of them and publish lots of books about it. Piece of cake.

The problem isn't one of engineering - it's one of public policy. And such
problems are *not* to be left up to those "in the business".

Riiiiiiight. And no one, absolutely NO ONE, can possibly talk about
removing the morse code test from U.S. amateur radio UNLESS they
have ALREADY TAKEN AND PASSED SUCH A TEST!!!!! :-)

Here's one way to go to Mars:

First, you need a lowcost method of getting things into earth orbit. The
"unmanned cargo space shuttle" idea is one way. Mass production of
purpose-designed dockets is another.

"Purpose-designed dockets?"

The "way to space" is by legal papers?!?!?

Second, a couple of unmanned supply ships are assembled in earth orbit.
They're
unmanned because it's simpler to do it that way. There are a couple of them in
case one or two don;t make the journey intact.

Riiiiight...telemeter them through morse code...that "gets through when
nuthin else will..."

Third, as soon as the supply ships are ready, they are launched towards Mars.
It may take them years to get there but it's of no consequence because they
are unmanned.

...and unwomanned. :-)

skip

How many times do we get to view this REHASH of OLD ideas, Jimmie?

You have NO new ideas.

All you do on "space exploration" is repeat others' words on it.

NO NEW IDEAS on space. Tsk, tsk.

Oh, and BTW, this is NOT the "space exploration newsgrope."

If you are wondering why the League's Interplanetary Buro hasn't
confirmed your Martian contacts, message them direct via NTS.
[by the time it gets through, someone else will have FTL...:-) ]

"Engage..." Star Trek theme in BG

LHA / WMD

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message
...

N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:


Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those
two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space
without having any space biz experience. :-)

Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us
"feldwebels"

I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble".

Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down?

It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a
certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in
WW1.

Here's the original post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...00001553%40mb-
m18.aol.com&output=gplain

Hey, let's all go to Google and RELIVE the PAST diss-cushions in
here! What fun! :-)

Len doesn't exactly show good manners or professional behavior when
confronted by a differing opinion or information that proves him to be
mistaken.

For more of the same, Google that word with him as author.

Google EVERYTHING. Relive the past over and over and over and
over and over again.

Maybe by the zillionth time the walking wounded might score a hit.

[poor babies]

Of course, Len has no amateur radio experience, but he wants to
pontificate to us about How It Should Be in amateur radio.

But when you ask him how to fight the BPL

menace

he has no new ideas at all.

Lots of criticism of others on this point but no new ideas.

There ya go, Jimmie! Jimmie = ruler on what is "new idea!"

[poor baby...]


Most of all, note that Len tells us to

"Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts"

Shouldn't we do the same with BPL?

nope.

but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"!
Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the
art",

Oh dear... I'm confused... I like both SOA equipment *and* tube radios.

It's all good!

how we live by "standards of the 1930s",

Whatever that is.

OOK CW is a REQUIREMENT of a "real" ham. :-)

The NTS is the "backbone" of modern transcontinental messaging.

"CW gets through when nothing else will!" :-)

All "real" hams LOVE the League. They MUST!


how we're not really
involved in emergency work,

hmm, I am. Plus whatever public service work that comes my way.

That's only valid when you have a "real" ham license! :-)

nor technical advancement, etc., etc.,
etc. He's also been consistently critical of ARRL, even to the point
of accusing them of fraud (with absolutely no evidence).

Yeah, I've read that. There are always some people that hate the big
dog in any kennel.

Do you lead a dog's life? [ arf? ] :-)


Also seems to think that I am somehow responsible for the posts of
others....

Now he seems to think we should know how to defeat BPL - even though
he doesn't.

Odd. Very odd.

High expectations for the 1930's standards people, eh?

Poor Jimmie, all stressed out by the slightest negative comment.

Retreats to Google to relive the past, hoping to snarl again and "win."

:-)

LHA / WMD