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Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: I'd almost think you were angry with them or something.......... Seriously, it's a great letter. Good work, Carl. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Mike Coslo wrote:
Carl R. Stevenson wrote: Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: I'd almost think you were angry with them or something.......... Seriously, it's a great letter. Good work, Carl. To quote Carl's letter: "With all due respect - Hogwash". I don't think it is a good letter at all. It would have been better if Carl had delayed in sending it for several days, cooled his jets and had written a toned-down response. The version he sent is inflammatory and combative. Then again, Carl is generally inflammatory and combative. At least he left out the "electronic paintball wars" stuff in his description of amateur radio. Dave K8MN |
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"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Mike Coslo wrote: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: I'd almost think you were angry with them or something.......... Seriously, it's a great letter. Good work, Carl. To quote Carl's letter: "With all due respect - Hogwash". I don't think it is a good letter at all. It would have been better if Carl had delayed in sending it for several days, cooled his jets and had written a toned-down response. The version he sent is inflammatory and combative. Then again, Carl is generally inflammatory and combative. At least he left out the "electronic paintball wars" stuff in his description of amateur radio. Dave K8MN Personally I think he wasn't strong enough in his statements. The "vacuum tube" phrase should have been attacked with a selected sample of some of the technology firsts that the amateur community has accomplished. Perhaps even selected info on the fast response and assembly of stations at the WTC disaster. However, his response was good in my opinion. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... Mike Coslo wrote: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: I'd almost think you were angry with them or something.......... Seriously, it's a great letter. Good work, Carl. To quote Carl's letter: "With all due respect - Hogwash". I don't think it is a good letter at all. It would have been better if Carl had delayed in sending it for several days, cooled his jets and had written a toned-down response. The version he sent is inflammatory and combative. Then again, Carl is generally inflammatory and combative. At least he left out the "electronic paintball wars" stuff in his description of amateur radio. Dave K8MN Personally I think he wasn't strong enough in his statements. The correct experssion would be for Carl to say "Bullshjt" or "They're full of shjt", but I remember from high debate sessions that such are not really effective in arguements. |
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Dave Heil wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: I'd almost think you were angry with them or something.......... Seriously, it's a great letter. Good work, Carl. To quote Carl's letter: "With all due respect - Hogwash". I don't think it is a good letter at all. It would have been better if Carl had delayed in sending it for several days, cooled his jets and had written a toned-down response. Well Dave, we could say "With all due respect, sirs, we don't want to insinuate that you might not be accurate, but we don't really think that your assessment is possibly not totally of the same opinion that we have. All apologies if we might be wrong, but we really think that, well we were kind of hoping that maybe you would.........." Yeah, Carl used Hogwash in his letter. I personally think he pulled his punch there anyhow. Hogwash is putting it quite politely. The UPLC doc uses exaggeration, innuendo, gratuitous insults, and monumental inaccuracies. And while we are on the gratuitous line, it makes an equally monumental stretch in connecting BPL with Home security. The version he sent is inflammatory and combative. Then again, Carl is generally inflammatory and combative. At least he left out the "electronic paintball wars" stuff in his description of amateur radio. I disagree with Carl on a number of issues, but on this one I believe he is spot on. We didn't start the volley of insults, UPLC did. The question of whether we want to be in this position is moot. We can either stand by and let them stomp on us, or we can take a more active stand. YMMV - Mike KB3EIA - |
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In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Dave Heil wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: I'd almost think you were angry with them or something.......... Seriously, it's a great letter. Good work, Carl. To quote Carl's letter: "With all due respect - Hogwash". I don't think it is a good letter at all. It would have been better if Carl had delayed in sending it for several days, cooled his jets and had written a toned-down response. Well Dave, we could say "With all due respect, sirs, we don't want to insinuate that you might not be accurate, but we don't really think that your assessment is possibly not totally of the same opinion that we have. All apologies if we might be wrong, but we really think that, well we were kind of hoping that maybe you would.........." Yeah, Carl used Hogwash in his letter. I personally think he pulled his punch there anyhow. Hogwash is putting it quite politely. The UPLC doc uses exaggeration, innuendo, gratuitous insults, and monumental inaccuracies. Also flat-out falsehoods. And while we are on the gratuitous line, it makes an equally monumental stretch in connecting BPL with Home security. The version he sent is inflammatory and combative. Then again, Carl is generally inflammatory and combative. At least he left out the "electronic paintball wars" stuff in his description of amateur radio. I disagree with Carl on a number of issues, but on this one I believe he is spot on. We didn't start the volley of insults, UPLC did. The question of whether we want to be in this position is moot. We can either stand by and let them stomp on us, or we can take a more active stand. The question is - what will be effective? For example, the "vaduum tube transmitter" comment could be countered by "you folks still use wooden poles with porcelain insulators on them". But will such behavior help or hurt? Perhaps that's what UPLC wants - to get into a shouting match with name calling and all the rest. While it was satisfying to see Carl's response, after some thought I begin to wonder how effective "replying in kind" would be. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: Good work!! Hope you will post any reply you receive....if you get one. The BPL folks really have their heads in the sand. |
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In article , JJ
writes: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: Good work!! Hope you will post any reply you receive....if you get one. The BPL folks really have their heads in the sand. Yes, very good work, Carl. Thanks for posting. Perhaps we should all write to UPLC. One thing to remember, though: It makes a sort of twisted sense that the BPL folks would simply 'stonewall', saying there is no harmful interference, their systems are clean, Part 15 supports them, blah, blah, blah. If they start admitting that yes, the interference is real, that power lines do radiate, that the signals carry for many miles, etc., then they've set themselves up to be shut down, or have their systems modified to the point of unusability. Thanks again, Carl 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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N2EY wrote:
In article , JJ writes: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: Follows, for anyone who's interested, my response to the insulting, inaccurate press release (and comments to the FCC) from the UPLC: Good work!! Hope you will post any reply you receive....if you get one. The BPL folks really have their heads in the sand. Yes, very good work, Carl. Thanks for posting. Perhaps we should all write to UPLC. One thing to remember, though: It makes a sort of twisted sense that the BPL folks would simply 'stonewall', saying there is no harmful interference, their systems are clean, Part 15 supports them, blah, blah, blah. If they start admitting that yes, the interference is real, that power lines do radiate, that the signals carry for many miles, etc., then they've set themselves up to be shut down, or have their systems modified to the point of unusability. Even if a person is completely ignorant of how BPL works, wouldn't the average person get a little suspicious when we are told that it doesn't interfere, and then a few lines later, we are told of mitigation methods? If it doesn't interfere, there is no need for interference mitigation. - mike KB3EIA - |
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