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Radio Club Personalities
"Tony Viglio" wrote in message ... If you been in a radio club, you've seen your share of characters. Ham radio has no shortage of all types of personalities. Ever see this guy before? He just joined our club. Comes to first meeting. It's pretty obvious he's is the hyperactive overbearing type, talks constantly & loudly, dominates the discussion. Says he quit such & such club because "they didn't like this and didn't want to do that, they were a bunch of losers." Shows up second meeting & proposes all sorts of changes to what the club has been doing, wants to start this & do that, & go here and there. Volunteers to head up all the committees, wants to bring in outside speakers that will offer this or that to the club members. (The outside speakers are family members or buddies of his). Does the majority of speaking at the meeting. Again, makes mention of how his last club was a bunch of losers and how happy he is to be a member of this great club! At his third club meeting, he does ALL the talking and is the center of attention. Some club members say they like him, others remain silent. Can't wait to see what happens at the fourth meeting with this guy. We're betting he will run the entire meeting himself. A. I see our club breaking up, because some will agree with this guy and others will want no part of him. B. I see this guy being challenged and told to shut up, which will probably result in him leaving our club, since we're all "losers." Have you seen this guy before? Has he come to your club meetings? Tony And why aren't the officers maintaining control of the meeting? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes: And why aren't the officers maintaining control of the meeting? ...it could be because they all left their Spanking Paddles at home. :-) LHA / WMD |
Tony Viglio wrote:
If you been in a radio club, you've seen your share of characters. Ham radio has no shortage of all types of personalities. Ever see this guy before? He just joined our club. Comes to first meeting. It's pretty obvious he's is the hyperactive overbearing type, talks constantly & loudly, dominates the discussion. Says he quit such & such club because "they didn't like this and didn't want to do that, they were a bunch of losers." Shows up second meeting & proposes all sorts of changes to what the club has been doing, wants to start this & do that, & go here and there. Volunteers to head up all the committees, wants to bring in outside speakers that will offer this or that to the club members. (The outside speakers are family members or buddies of his). Does the majority of speaking at the meeting. Again, makes mention of how his last club was a bunch of losers and how happy he is to be a member of this great club! At his third club meeting, he does ALL the talking and is the center of attention. Some club members say they like him, others remain silent. Can't wait to see what happens at the fourth meeting with this guy. We're betting he will run the entire meeting himself. A. I see our club breaking up, because some will agree with this guy and others will want no part of him. B. I see this guy being challenged and told to shut up, which will probably result in him leaving our club, since we're all "losers." Have you seen this guy before? Has he come to your club meetings? No, but I've seen enough of that type to know that they are bad news. Your "great club" will be great as long as he gets his way, but perhaps not even then, as this type of personality cannot be pleased for long. Do what you will, but in 6 months, a year, whatever his particular time frame is, all that will change. He'll want to kick the president out of office because of one reason or the other. The sad thing is, he'll probably be able to get plenty enough people on his side. Then after the prez goes, he'll fixate on another so called loser. But inevitably, he'll quit. No one or group can ever live up to his expectations. The combination of the continued bitching about the previous club, and the hyper aggressive early behavior are dead giveaways. No normal person tries to change a club at their second meeting. You really do have a serious problem. Best approach is to either dump him, or to try to channel that seemingly boundless energy. The first solution is the best. Some people might say "people complain about no one wanting to do anything, and someone shows up that does, and you want to get rid of him." But that isn't the case. You're dealing with an off center character here. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Tony Viglio" wrote in message ... If you been in a radio club, you've seen your share of characters. Ham radio has no shortage of all types of personalities. Ever see this guy before? He just joined our club. Comes to first meeting. It's pretty obvious he's is the hyperactive overbearing type, talks constantly & loudly, dominates the discussion. Says he quit such & such club because "they didn't like this and didn't want to do that, they were a bunch of losers." Shows up second meeting & proposes all sorts of changes to what the club has been doing, wants to start this & do that, & go here and there. Volunteers to head up all the committees, wants to bring in outside speakers that will offer this or that to the club members. (The outside speakers are family members or buddies of his). Does the majority of speaking at the meeting. Again, makes mention of how his last club was a bunch of losers and how happy he is to be a member of this great club! At his third club meeting, he does ALL the talking and is the center of attention. Some club members say they like him, others remain silent. Can't wait to see what happens at the fourth meeting with this guy. We're betting he will run the entire meeting himself. A. I see our club breaking up, because some will agree with this guy and others will want no part of him. B. I see this guy being challenged and told to shut up, which will probably result in him leaving our club, since we're all "losers." Have you seen this guy before? Has he come to your club meetings? Tony And why aren't the officers maintaining control of the meeting? I'll bet this guy is charming as anything, Dee. I've met the type, and they kind of sneak in on ya. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Tony Viglio" wrote in message ...
If you been in a radio club, you've seen your share of characters. Ham radio has no shortage of all types of personalities. Ever see this guy before? He just joined our club. Oh yes. Once in a great while somebody like that shows up. Sometimes they do it on a larger scale than the local club - Wayne Green is a prime example. Comes to first meeting. It's pretty obvious he's is the hyperactive overbearing type, talks constantly & loudly, dominates the discussion. Says he quit such & such club because "they didn't like this and didn't want to do that, they were a bunch of losers." Shows up second meeting & proposes all sorts of changes to what the club has been doing, wants to start this & do that, & go here and there. Volunteers to head up all the committees, wants to bring in outside speakers that will offer this or that to the club members. (The outside speakers are family members or buddies of his). Does the majority of speaking at the meeting. Again, makes mention of how his last club was a bunch of losers and how happy he is to be a member of this great club! At his third club meeting, he does ALL the talking and is the center of attention. Some club members say they like him, others remain silent. Can't wait to see what happens at the fourth meeting with this guy. We're betting he will run the entire meeting himself. Does your club have officers and a formal agenda? The trick is to let him actually *do* something. Let him bring in the speakers or run the committees. A. I see our club breaking up, because some will agree with this guy and others will want no part of him. Give him a chance to show what he can do. B. I see this guy being challenged and told to shut up, which will probably result in him leaving our club, since we're all "losers." The trick is to give him an outlet for his energy. Have you seen this guy before? Has he come to your club meetings? He's nothing new. In the "Rotten Radio" stories of 80+ years ago "T.O.M." describes the cast of characters at most radio club meetings. Your new guy sounds like "Final Authority". Put him in charge of getting a speaker and see what happens. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote in message om... He's nothing new. In the "Rotten Radio" stories of 80+ years ago "T.O.M." describes the cast of characters at most radio club meetings. Your new guy sounds like "Final Authority". Say that sounds interesting. What were some of the other characters. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Tony Viglio wrote:
If you been in a radio club, you've seen your share of characters. Ham radio has no shortage of all types of personalities. Ever see this guy before? He just joined our club. He's there because we threw his ass out of our club. Enjoy. |
Tony Viglio wrote:
If you been in a radio club, you've seen your share of characters. Ham radio has no shortage of all types of personalities. Ever see this guy before? He just joined our club. Comes to first meeting. It's pretty obvious he's is the hyperactive overbearing type, talks constantly & loudly, dominates the discussion. Can't wait to see what happens at the fourth meeting with this guy. We're betting he will run the entire meeting himself. At one club I belong to (not radio, but here we are talking about human interaction skills) a prospective member needs to visit and participate in various activities (mostly informal and not at all arduous tasks) for 8 separate club meetings (most meetings are informal gatherings in the club house Tuesdays and Fridays) (need not be consequitive). The purpose of this requirement is to get to know the new guy and to see if we get along and like each other. Someone obnoxious like the above radio club member is less likely to be invited to join after 8 visits. And he as a visiter would not be able to commandeer meetings and the club. This filtering process has worked well, and we haven't had any serious interpersonal problems (fist fights and such) happen. And we have a diverse group of people anyway. Once this guy decides that you're a club of "losers" and leaves, consider installing a new member filter like this. |
You really do have a serious problem. Best approach is to either dump him, or to try to channel that seemingly boundless energy. The first solution is the best. Some people might say "people complain about no one wanting to do anything, and someone shows up that does, and you want to get rid of him." But that isn't the case. You're dealing with an off center character here. Exactly! You seem very familiar with the situation we are dealing with. This sort of thing has been happening since cave man days. It can get dicey if this guy is say the new boss where you work. Quitting a job is not like quitting a club, especially when the economy is in the toilet... 4 more months, not 4 more years! |
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes: "N2EY" wrote in message . com... He's nothing new. In the "Rotten Radio" stories of 80+ years ago "T.O.M." describes the cast of characters at most radio club meetings. Your new guy sounds like "Final Authority". Say that sounds interesting. What were some of the other characters. Well, there was T.O.M. himself ("The Old Man" - radio back then was a young man's game, and someone over the age of 40 being involved in it was almost a fossil). There was Young Squirt, with all the enthusiasm and optimism of youth. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Tony Viglio" wrote in message ...
If you been in a radio club, you've seen your share of characters. Ham radio has no shortage of all types of personalities. Ever see this guy before? He just joined our club. Comes to first meeting. It's pretty obvious he's is the hyperactive overbearing type, talks constantly & loudly, dominates the discussion. Says he quit such & such club because "they didn't like this and didn't want to do that, they were a bunch of losers." Shows up second meeting & proposes all sorts of changes to what the club has been doing, wants to start this & do that, & go here and there. Volunteers to head up all the committees, wants to bring in outside speakers that will offer this or that to the club members. (The outside speakers are family members or buddies of his). Does the majority of speaking at the meeting. Again, makes mention of how his last club was a bunch of losers and how happy he is to be a member of this great club! At his third club meeting, he does ALL the talking and is the center of attention. Some club members say they like him, others remain silent. Can't wait to see what happens at the fourth meeting with this guy. We're betting he will run the entire meeting himself. A. I see our club breaking up, because some will agree with this guy and others will want no part of him. B. I see this guy being challenged and told to shut up, which will probably result in him leaving our club, since we're all "losers." Have you seen this guy before? Has he come to your club meetings? No. The club to which I belong is a large regional DXing and DX contesting .org with filters. Nobody simply walks in off the street and signs up. First at least two existing members must know a prospective member personally and about his/her dxing and contesting activities and sponser them for membership. The prospect must attend at least two meetings before his/her membership is even considered. Usually toward the end of the second meeting the prospect is sent out into the hallway while the attendees discuss his/her's particulars and potential for making contributions toward the club's objectives and vote yea or nay on his/her application for membership. These rather Draconian filters work for this particular club which has been around since 1927. The purposes of the club are very narrowly targeted at specific operating activities so there is very little thrashing around about what to do next, establishing committees, what we should and shouldn't be doing, meeting speakers, etc. On those very rare occasions when somebody went over the edge verbally at a meeting the various Presidents we've had over the years simply cut it off by taking the floor back. We all know what the meetings will be about before we get there. The srategies and tactics to be used in the next major dx contest and that's about it and outta there. In 35 years I've never had to sit thru the usual Secretary & Treasurer droning-on sessions at a meeting with "reports". We don't get involved in Field Day, Emergency comms, walkathons or any of the rest of the neighborhood radio club staples. Those members who get into these sorts of acitivities do so as members of their local neighborhood clubs. The jerk filters this club uses are probably too stiff to fly in any conventional neighborhood club but implementing some bits and pieces of it might cut back on the kinds of problems you've described. Tony w3rv |
Subject: Radio Club Personalities
From: "Henry Code Pro" Date: 7/15/2004 7:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: FLUSH THE JOHNS IN 2004 VOTE FOR BUSH I LOVE it! Steve, K4YZ |
Robert Casey wrote in message ...
You really do have a serious problem. Best approach is to either dump him, or to try to channel that seemingly boundless energy. The first solution is the best. Some people might say "people complain about no one wanting to do anything, and someone shows up that does, and you want to get rid of him." But that isn't the case. You're dealing with an off center character here. Exactly! You seem very familiar with the situation we are dealing with. This sort of thing has been happening since cave man days. It can get dicey if this guy is say the new boss where you work. Quitting a job is not like quitting a club, especially when the economy is in the toilet... The trick is that it doesn't have to be one or the other. Just give the new guy a job to do, and see how he does. 4 more months, not 4 more years! http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=17231 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Radio Club Personalities From: "Henry Code Pro" Date: 7/15/2004 7:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: FLUSH THE JOHNS IN 2004 VOTE FOR BUSH I LOVE it! Steve, K4YZ They won't dare use that in the Bush campaign. Brother Neil has been involved in a messy divorce that, according to Bill Maher, includes infidelity of the prostitute type. |
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Subject: Radio Club Personalities
From: Jayson Davis Date: 7/15/2004 7:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote: Subject: Radio Club Personalities From: "Henry Code Pro" Date: 7/15/2004 7:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: FLUSH THE JOHNS IN 2004 VOTE FOR BUSH I LOVE it! They won't dare use that in the Bush campaign. Brother Neil has been involved in a messy divorce that, according to Bill Maher, includes infidelity of the prostitute type. And Brother Neil's preference for paid nookie has WHAT to do with President Bush? If Mrs Neil wasn't coming up off of the cookie often enough or enthusiastically enough, WHO CARES if Neil tapped some on the side...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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N2EY wrote:
Robert Casey wrote in message ... You really do have a serious problem. Best approach is to either dump him, or to try to channel that seemingly boundless energy. The first solution is the best. Some people might say "people complain about no one wanting to do anything, and someone shows up that does, and you want to get rid of him." But that isn't the case. You're dealing with an off center character here. Exactly! You seem very familiar with the situation we are dealing with. This sort of thing has been happening since cave man days. It can get dicey if this guy is say the new boss where you work. Quitting a job is not like quitting a club, especially when the economy is in the toilet... The trick is that it doesn't have to be one or the other. Just give the new guy a job to do, and see how he does. Not really Jim. This type will join, then undermine. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Tony Viglio wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... snipage Some people might say "people complain about no one wanting to do anything, and someone shows up that does, and you want to get rid of him." But that isn't the case. You're dealing with an off center character here. - Mike KB3EIA - Exactly! You seem very familiar with the situation we are dealing with. Tony, I've been the target and victim of that type. I had a very successful hockey team going at one point. Along comes a new guy, an average player, but with *big* plans. "we gotta do this, we gotta do that". Finally he wanted me to get rid of some of the weaker players because they were "holding the team back". Keep in mind we were the best team in our division, and maybe lost two games that season. But I wouldn't have done it anyway, as they were my team mates. So he charmed the assistant captains and some of the best players into a revolt against me, then charmed the league into believing that this group could compete at the next level. This left me out in the cold as far as that team was concerned. My son stuck by me and wouldn't play for the "new" team. So yeah, you could say I'm familiar with that type. And that's why you are in trouble. The only consolation was that the league commissioner called me a little while back to apologize for the shabby way I was treated in this whole mess. And my ex-team? Well that was the other part of his call. Under the leadership of Mr. Charming, they went out and promptly fell on their faces. They won 1 game, (IIRC) and the average loss was by double digits. (a little hard to do in hockey) They were possibly not even going to be allowed to play in the league in the future. Oh, and Mr. Charm? I'll give you one guess what he did. Big plans and pipe dreams are all very good, but not a substitute for leadership. You gotta boot this guy's sorry ass out, and soon! - pardon my French! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: The trick is that it doesn't have to be one or the other. Just give the new guy a job to do, and see how he does. Not really Jim. This type will join, then undermine. How, Mike? Seems to me this guy talks a rope. OK, fine, put him to work on *one thing*. Like "OK, get us a speaker for the next meeting". Then stand back. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: The trick is that it doesn't have to be one or the other. Just give the new guy a job to do, and see how he does. Not really Jim. This type will join, then undermine. How, Mike? Seems to me this guy talks a rope. OK, fine, put him to work on *one thing*. Like "OK, get us a speaker for the next meeting". Then stand back. Dunno if you read my other reply, Jim. There was the explanation of why. Normal people don't act like that, and if someone like that ever shows up to play for a team of mine again, they'll get a "thanks but no thanks" really quick. Have you ever met a person that within 5 minutes of meeting you, feels compelled to tell you all kinds of details about their life that you'd normally share only with very close friends? That's a similar sort of personality, only more passive than the type that want's to run the club after 2 meetings. Bad news. The end result is always that they quit. So we might as well cut to the chase. That way there is less damage. If I would have just tossed the guy early on, there would have been a hockey team doing well and paying it's bills, instead of a team in disarray, eventually disbanding and costing the league money that other teams have to make up. One person with the con man ability messing up things for several hundred people. That's how. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: Seems to me this guy talks a rope. OK, fine, put him to work on *one thing*. Like "OK, get us a speaker for the next meeting". Then stand back. Dunno if you read my other reply, Jim. There was the explanation of why. Normal people don't act like that, and if someone like that ever shows up to play for a team of mine again, they'll get a "thanks but no thanks" really quick. If this dudee is anyhting like the one in your hockey story he's nothing but trouble. Have you ever met a person that within 5 minutes of meeting you, feels compelled to tell you all kinds of details about their life that you'd normally share only with very close friends? That's a similar sort of personality, only more passive than the type that want's to run the club after 2 meetings. Bad news. Very bad news. Remember "The Music Man" and 'Professor' Harold Hill? Same sort of thing, only all HH was after was money. The end result is always that they quit. So we might as well cut to the chase. That way there is less damage. If I would have just tossed the guy early on, there would have been a hockey team doing well and paying it's bills, instead of a team in disarray, eventually disbanding and costing the league money that other teams have to make up. One person with the con man ability messing up things for several hundred people. Yep. I used to wonder why some organizations had rules such as "you can't be an officer until you've been a member for X amount of time" and "you have to serve on a committee first, and you can only serve on one committee at a time", etc. It's clear now. That's how. Trouble with a capital T. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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