N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he was
"Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it is
obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing? His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for "Amateur
First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long list
of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer. Sidewalk
superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Gladys Kravitz effect.

Does Len have a chin?

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

Dave K8MN

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Quitefine)
Date: 8/28/2004 9:37 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Baby banter, Brian...

Are you really not better than that?

I think you are.

Why do you think that?

I am a Nurse.

An honorable profession.

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about 666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head, Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: Dave Heil
Date: 8/28/2004 8:02 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He wound
up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is
obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

Well ya KNOW he is!

I counted at least 12 "reply comments" to recent actions wherein Lennie
did what Lennie does best...Tried to attack the messenger. And there were even
more that I didn't open.

Oh, he polishes it up well...(Or was that his ghost writer...I never can
tell...), but bottom line...Lennie did his best to attack anyone who presented
an effective argument by trying to diminish the messenger...

Gee...

Where have we seen THAT before...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

I don't think Len ever "crapped his hands."

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than you ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.

Nope.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.

Nope.

Too bad for you.

Nope.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!

So have I been, Brain.

Not only as a member of CAP, but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF has to
say about it...)

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.

Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling, even.

Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.

No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.

The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be truthful,
trustworty and honest.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from the
crowd.

You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.

Uh huh. Right.

Go get yourself fixed.

Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?

Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...


Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

I don't think Len ever "crapped his hands."

Not actually. Not his hands.

Dave K8MN

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about 666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Maybe.

Highly likely.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Might be.

Probably is.

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

Lennie perceives himself as a masterdebator. He's close, but no
cigar.

Sometimes a cigar
is only a cigar.

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Could be.

Highly likely.

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head,
Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good
start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in
kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Perhaps he CAN'T do better.

Perhaps he is
waiting for you
to set the example.

I'd rather think he's just operating with diminished mental
capacity. That WOULD explain a lot.

He says the same of you.
We have seen claims of
remote diagnosis of
'turettes syndrome'.

(Even we know that it
is "Tourette's Syndrome")

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Why give an audience and
reaction to such behavior?

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good
running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I perhaps your perhaps and raise you a "could be"....

We see your could be and
raise you a probably

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Quitefine)
Date: 8/29/2004 1:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about .666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Maybe.

Highly likely.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Might be.

Probably is.

Are you sure?

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

Lennie perceives himself as a masterdebator. He's close, but no
cigar.

Sometimes a cigar
is only a cigar.

But some cigars are better than others. Hence the trafficing in illegal
Cuban cigars.

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Could be.

Highly likely.

Better than average? I think you give him more credit than due. To
suggest that he could premeditate an act is really stretching things a bit!

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head,
Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good
start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in
kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Perhaps he CAN'T do better.

Perhaps he is
waiting for you
to set the example.

By what? Caving in to his mistruthfulness or his immatue and
irresponsible conduct?

Nope.

I'd rather think he's just operating with diminished mental
capacity. That WOULD explain a lot.

He says the same of you.
We have seen claims of
remote diagnosis of
'turettes syndrome'.

(Even we know that it
is "Tourette's Syndrome")

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Why give an audience and
reaction to such behavior?

To allow him and Lennie a forum without challenge leaves them the only
ones being heard. Not a good alternative.

Pointing out thier errors and thier irresponsible behaviour is a far
better response.

And they DO give us plenty of opportunities to do THAT, don't they... ! !
!

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good
running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I perhaps your perhaps and raise you a "could be"....

We see your could be and
raise you a probably.

I see your probably and call.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code
test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5
wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long
list of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer.
Sidewalk superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Gladys Kravitz effect.

Does Len have a chin?

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/29/2004 3:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

Still twists your shorts that at, what, ten years older than you I can run
circles around you...?!?!

BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! !
! !

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.

Absolutely.

And I bet that's what torques your bolts that I STILL know more about the
US Air Force than you did/do/ever will, Brain.

Sheeeeesh.

(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF
has to
say about it...)

Too bad.

Yes...it is...For you, Brain.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?

What lies, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/29/2004 3:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Well, at least you aren't focused on my genitalia per usual.

What's to focus on?

Steve was the kind of kid who might set fire to a doghouse (with a dog
in it) just to see if he could scare and intimidate the other kids.
He wasn't big enough to physically bully them. He desperately needed
a reputation.

Actually Steve was involved with volunteer SAR, learning to fly and Amateur
Radio stuff as a kid rather than getting busted for weed and other socially
detrimental behaviour that was popular in the 70's, Brain.

Stil sucks to be you.

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

Hence the trafficing in illegal Cuban cigars.

Dump huck politicians with anal/cranial inversion syndrome may have
decided that trafficking in them is not legal, but Cuban cigars are not,
of themselves, illegal.

72.5, de Hans, K0HB

PS: On the other hand, I have an FCC "pink slip" for exceeding the Morse
Code speed limit.

--
Reality doesn't care what you believe.

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

His ONLY operating has always been dependent upon the STATION
license or other federal grant or approval.

That grant has always specified the mode and power. Lennie has
never had the discretion of choosing the mode, time, power or
application other thanwhat the grant allowed.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

I imagine a person in Mr Cross' position can seperate the bull
from the bullstuff. His protestations to the contrary, Lennie's own
"replies" are pretty much "kill the messenger" kinda stuff.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Don't forget "My best friend is an Army buddy who is a Ham..."

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

Tritto on the ditto.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

I don't think Len ever "crapped his hands."

Not actually. Not his hands.

Dave K8MN

Maybe they just peed in your branchwater.

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't. Len's not going to show up on the ham
bands. He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications. He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not
get ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been
a busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of
it is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

*Somebody* at FCC has to read all of it.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring.
Back in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing",
most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite
inaccurate.

What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words
in that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Domo arigato.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no
increase in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than
what Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 8/30/2004 6:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

Nope. IF he had done them. His MOS was as a radio tech...Not an
"operator". I doubt he ever got any closer to radiating RF than loading up the
rig into a dummy load.

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

What's to worry? Lennie can't pass the test anyway, so none's-to-worry.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't. Len's not going to show up on the ham
bands. He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications. He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

Lennie's last foray into Amateur Radio publishing wound up contributing to
the demise of that same journal. Who would WANT to "publish" him...?!?!

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not
get ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been
a busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of
it is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

*Somebody* at FCC has to read all of it.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring.
Back in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing",
most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite
inaccurate.

What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

And I dare say far more well prepared and thoughtful pieces too.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words
in that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Domo arigato.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test
speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no
increase in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than
what Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

Indeed.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/30/2004 5:40 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/29/2004 3:04 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

Still twists your shorts that at, what, ten years older than you I can
run
circles around you...?!?!

BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! !
! !
! !

There's the maniacal laugh again, the one you claim you don't do.

Makes you a liar. Again.

Sorry Brain.

You got it wrong again.

The item at issue was the "whine" "BWAAAAAAAAAA".

Not robust laughter, "BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

I know petty little things like facts and details are beyond you, but it's
because you refuse to pay attention.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.

Absolutely.

Absolutely not.

Oh...OK, glad you've changed your mind.

And I bet that's what torques your bolts that I STILL know more about
the
US Air Force than you did/do/ever will, Brain.

Sheeeeesh.

You never will.

Too late...I already do.

What lies, Brain?

Your incessant lying.

Other than my unwillingness to discuss my service in teh Marines, Brain,
you have yet to prove ANYthing I've said is a lie.

You keep SAYING things are untruthful, but then I simply provide a
reference to prove it wrong.

Just like you "yelling" about the above.

You're an idiot, Burke. Accept it...embrace it...We have.

Steve, K4YZ

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

The operators operated. Len maintained.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

The station operated 24/7. Through the years, Len has modified that to
show that *he* operated 24/7.

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

Len's lucky it doesn't come down to a vote on either.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't.

I don't get upset. In all these years, I've viewed Leonard's actions
with amusement and curiousity.

Len's not going to show up on the ham
bands. He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications. He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

C'mon, Jim. You're just restating the obvious. Did you ever find it
strange, given the facts contained in your statement, that Len is driven
to make changes in the regulations which govern amateur radio?

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not
get ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been
a busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of
it is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

*Somebody* at FCC has to read all of it.

I'd have to correct that to read: "Somebody at the FCC is supposed to
read all of it". That doesn't mean that anyone at the FCC is compelled
to act on any of it.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring.
Back in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing",
most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite
inaccurate.

What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words
in that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Domo arigato.

Heliarc!

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no
increase in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than
what Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

He goes far beyond myth. He fabricates, manufactures and distorts.

Dave K8MN

In article , (PILOT
IN COMMAND OF CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 8/30/2004 6:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

Make up your mind, nursie. First you lie and say I was a "radio clerk."

Now you say I was "one of a large group."

A Signal Battalion has about a thousand servicemen in it. "Large" is a
subjective word. Try to focus.

Nope. IF he had done them. His MOS was as a radio tech...Not an
"operator". I doubt he ever got any closer to radiating RF than loading up
the rig into a dummy load.

How about that. Nursie, who knows some imaginary "real truth" to
the military ("Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio") now wants
to "revise" old U.S. Army Military Occupation Specialty descriptions!

MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Maintenance
Supervisor. [the ".6" denoted the supervisory level]

That was on the record, along with brevet MOSs of Fixed Station
Communicaitons Operations and Maintenance Supervisor and
VHF-UHF Radio Relay Operator and Maintainer.

A four-hundred foot rhombic antenna is not a "dummy load" except
to a dummy who never loaded one up. With 40 KW of RF feeding it
it will radiate a bit.

Now, in truth, a 12 Watt 1.8 GHz microwave terminal transmitter
feeding 250 feet of 1 5/8" pressurized rigid coax results in a bit
less than 4 Watts at the 10 foot parabolic reflector antenna. In
that sense it might be somewhat like a "dummy load."

Army station ADA was, in the 1950s, only the third largest Army
station in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN),
but the radiated RF at the transmitter site antenna field was about
350 KW total...and there 24/7.


Lennie's last foray into Amateur Radio publishing wound up contributing
to the demise of that same journal. Who would WANT to "publish" him...?!?!

Woefully WRONG. Tsk, tsk.

The amateur radio advertising monies were not there to support all the
independent publications. Publisher Skip Tenney had two monthlies
in the press at the time and the ad income was dropping. HR was
sold to CQ Communications. That was in 1990.

I had to quit HR as an Associate Editor in 1988 due to other job
requirements. I was never there physically at HR hq; most "staffers"
worked at home with everything sent by mail back and forth, plus
telephone calls. Common method in the hobby publication trade.
My work spoke for itself and that is how I was "hired." I never met
Jim Fisk (ex-W1HR, SK) nor Alf Wilson nor Rich Rosen nor Terry
Northrup in person.

Ham Radio magazine was an independent amateur radio interest
publication that survived for 22 years. It gained a solid reputation
during those 22 years and is still respected by radio amateurs who
know anything about the technology of radio. A full set of articles
from those 22 years of independent publishing is available from
CQ for $150 (for all three CDs). ARRL also resells it.

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

Broadcast engineers don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Commercial communications people don't "operate" their stations
like hams do.

Former USN radio operators didn't "operate" their stations like
hams do.

Government employees, such as those with Department of State,
don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Sunnuvagun!


If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

False. In here, nothing can escape the Glory and Majesty and Nobility
of Operating Like Hams Do in amateur radio!

Such as walking into an HRO with a credit card, then walking out with
everything and doing the plug-and-play at home...doing it as Hams
Do! :-)

Tsk. Right, I've never been an "independent operator," not even with
a PLMRS business radio. As a partner in a business I wasn't the
sole "owner" of that radio. How sad... :-)

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

Tsk. Wrong handle. QUITEFINE is supposed to ask the leading
questions. Anonymouses do that.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't.

Yes you do. The Quitefine pseudonym is a sure sign of that. :-)

Len's not going to show up on the ham bands.

Already been on those bands. Legal and not as an amateur. :-)

He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications.

True. They sure as heck don't pay enough. :-)

He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

Absolutely no one could beat the PCTA at CW contests.

Why would they? :-)


What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

Tsk. Still in the past. Try looking back just a half year. :-)

18 Petitions up for Comment at FCC and easily overwhelming the old
docket 98-143 comments. :-)


So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

The League is your shepherd...you shall not want.

You are not led into temptation.

Now lay face down on the floor in the sign of the cross and take your
Vows for life...

In article , PAMNO
(Quitfine) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

Lots of "challenge" walking into an HRO, presenting a plastic
card, taking home everything ready-built, following hook-up
instructions... :-)

About as "challenging" as setting up a CB base station.

About as "challenging" as setting up a new personal computer.

About as "challenging" as installing a home music system
stereo receiver.

Ho hum.


You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Ah, so one "takes vows" in newsgroups?!? :-)

Tsk. Allow a response used frequently by nursie:

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

But James P. Miccolis, with or without the "Quitefine" anonymouse
pseudonum is up to the task of DOING MORE! He is Extra. He is
PCTA! Hear him roar! :-)

Poor Bill Cross.

FCC salaries are low?


- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most
of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

Tsk. Quitefine not know! Terrible. Quitefine, er, Jimmie know
EVERYTHING! He never "innaccurate!" :-)

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

Jimmie want jo-san? :-)


- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

The League is your shepherd, you shall not want...


- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code
test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5
wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long
list of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer.
Sidewalk superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Tsk. More imaginative rambling. :-)

My "case" in here was simply to argue against a morse code test.

Since so many PCTA extras inhabited this din of inequity, that was
all but impossible in the torrent of personal abuse rendered against
all NCTA.

The PCTA extras could never, ever make their case for maintenance
of the morse code test...but they cannot ever lose any argument so
the personal abuse levelled against NCTA continues...and continues.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than you
ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.

Nope.

Yep.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.

Nope.

You're getting warmer.

Too bad for you.

Nope.

Yep.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!

So have I been, Brain.

No, you have not.

Nursie thinks so. That is sufficient for her version of "truth."


Not only as a member of CAP,

Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.

But...but...nursie has been a PILOT IN COMMAND!!!

[of a two-seater, single engine light general av aircraft...]

Oddly enough, for all that claimed PILOT IN COMMAND
experience, nursie never was a pilot in command in USMC.
Not in 18 years or whatever it was for the military "career."


(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF
has to
say about it...)

Too bad.

Tsk. In nursies mind is the equation: CAP.GT.USAF

[CAP greater than USAF]

Ergo, the CAP is far more important to the National Defense than USAF
ever was. In her mind.


Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.

Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.

Hi, hi!

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling,
even.

Nefarious Yell DMC is notorious for yelling.

...and lying. Gunnery nurse consistently makes typos.

He make more spells than a coven of witches.

Amateur ones.

But he does keep the cauldron (the pot) boiling... :-)


Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the
other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.

No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.

Your fixation on my genatalia is noted. Again and again.

It's the Macho in the Mighty Macho Morsemen.

Too much "test" in the CW "test-osterone." Overdose.


The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be truthful,
trustworty and honest.

That would make you a woman.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.

A crazy woman at that.

Witch?

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from the
crowd.

You just keep your distance from me.

[I wonder how far a "fuhrter" distance is?]

He say he spell real fine. ?


You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.

Uh huh. Right.

Good. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step.

That's about as far as it gets...

Go get yourself fixed.

Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?

You try to Cow everyone into believing your lies.

He try for "bull-y" but is an udder failure.


Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...

Steve, K4YZ

I've neither dropped them nor stepped in them.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?

Seemingly, not.

Nursie fantasyland social mores are quite different than in reality.

Despite an issue worth discussing ("ARRL to propose subband-by-
bandwidth regulation"), everything seems to wind up with nursie
insulting everyone she doesn't agree with. Nearly every thread gets
like that.

No wonder Robert Casey, among others, is irritated.

"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...

72.5, de Hans, K0HB

PS: On the other hand, I have an FCC "pink slip" for exceeding the Morse
Code speed limit.

Hans, were you a VE administering an element 1 exam at the time? Or
was this for a repeater ID?

bb

"William" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

72.5, de Hans, K0HB

PS: On the other hand, I have an FCC "pink slip" for exceeding the
Morse
Code speed limit.

Hans, were you a VE administering an element 1 exam at the time? Or
was this for a repeater ID?

Repeater ID running 24WPM in a 20WPM zone. I sent them an "I'm sorry"
letter and ignored it. Nobody bothered me again.

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

In article , (PILOT
IN COMMAND OF CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 8/30/2004 6:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

Make up your mind, nursie. First you lie and say I was a "radio clerk."

Now you say I was "one of a large group."

A Signal Battalion has about a thousand servicemen in it. "Large" is a
subjective word. Try to focus.

Nope. IF he had done them. His MOS was as a radio tech...Not an
"operator". I doubt he ever got any closer to radiating RF than loading up
the rig into a dummy load.

How about that. Nursie, who knows some imaginary "real truth" to
the military ("Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio") now wants
to "revise" old U.S. Army Military Occupation Specialty descriptions!

MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Maintenance
Supervisor. [the ".6" denoted the supervisory level]

That was on the record, along with brevet MOSs of Fixed Station
Communicaitons Operations and Maintenance Supervisor and
VHF-UHF Radio Relay Operator and Maintainer.

A four-hundred foot rhombic antenna is not a "dummy load" except
to a dummy who never loaded one up. With 40 KW of RF feeding it
it will radiate a bit.

Now, in truth, a 12 Watt 1.8 GHz microwave terminal transmitter
feeding 250 feet of 1 5/8" pressurized rigid coax results in a bit
less than 4 Watts at the 10 foot parabolic reflector antenna. In
that sense it might be somewhat like a "dummy load."

Army station ADA was, in the 1950s, only the third largest Army
station in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN),
but the radiated RF at the transmitter site antenna field was about
350 KW total...and there 24/7.


Lennie's last foray into Amateur Radio publishing wound up contributing
to the demise of that same journal. Who would WANT to "publish" him...?!?!

Woefully WRONG. Tsk, tsk.

The amateur radio advertising monies were not there to support all the
independent publications. Publisher Skip Tenney had two monthlies
in the press at the time and the ad income was dropping. HR was
sold to CQ Communications. That was in 1990.

I had to quit HR as an Associate Editor in 1988 due to other job
requirements. I was never there physically at HR hq; most "staffers"
worked at home with everything sent by mail back and forth, plus
telephone calls. Common method in the hobby publication trade.
My work spoke for itself and that is how I was "hired." I never met
Jim Fisk (ex-W1HR, SK) nor Alf Wilson nor Rich Rosen nor Terry
Northrup in person.

Ham Radio magazine was an independent amateur radio interest
publication that survived for 22 years. It gained a solid reputation
during those 22 years and is still respected by radio amateurs who
know anything about the technology of radio. A full set of articles
from those 22 years of independent publishing is available from
CQ for $150 (for all three CDs). ARRL also resells it.

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

Broadcast engineers don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Commercial communications people don't "operate" their stations
like hams do.

Former USN radio operators didn't "operate" their stations like
hams do.

Government employees, such as those with Department of State,
don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Sunnuvagun!


If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

False. In here, nothing can escape the Glory and Majesty and Nobility
of Operating Like Hams Do in amateur radio!

Such as walking into an HRO with a credit card, then walking out with
everything and doing the plug-and-play at home...doing it as Hams
Do! :-)

Tsk. Right, I've never been an "independent operator," not even with
a PLMRS business radio. As a partner in a business I wasn't the
sole "owner" of that radio. How sad... :-)

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

Tsk. Wrong handle. QUITEFINE is supposed to ask the leading
questions. Anonymouses do that.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't.

Yes you do. The Quitefine pseudonym is a sure sign of that. :-)

Len's not going to show up on the ham bands.

Already been on those bands. Legal and not as an amateur. :-)

He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications.

True. They sure as heck don't pay enough. :-)

He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

Absolutely no one could beat the PCTA at CW contests.

Why would they? :-)


What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

Tsk. Still in the past. Try looking back just a half year. :-)

18 Petitions up for Comment at FCC and easily overwhelming the old
docket 98-143 comments. :-)


So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

The League is your shepherd...you shall not want.

You are not led into temptation.

Now lay face down on the floor in the sign of the cross and take your
Vows for life...

In article , PAMNO
(Quitfine) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

Lots of "challenge" walking into an HRO, presenting a plastic
card, taking home everything ready-built, following hook-up
instructions... :-)

About as "challenging" as setting up a CB base station.

About as "challenging" as setting up a new personal computer.

About as "challenging" as installing a home music system
stereo receiver.

Ho hum.


You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Ah, so one "takes vows" in newsgroups?!? :-)

Tsk. Allow a response used frequently by nursie:

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

But James P. Miccolis, with or without the "Quitefine" anonymouse
pseudonum is up to the task of DOING MORE! He is Extra. He is
PCTA! Hear him roar! :-)

Poor Bill Cross.

FCC salaries are low?


- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most
of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

Tsk. Quitefine not know! Terrible. Quitefine, er, Jimmie know
EVERYTHING! He never "innaccurate!" :-)

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

Jimmie want jo-san? :-)


- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

The League is your shepherd, you shall not want...


- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code
test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5
wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long
list of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer.
Sidewalk superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Tsk. More imaginative rambling. :-)

My "case" in here was simply to argue against a morse code test.

Since so many PCTA extras inhabited this din of inequity, that was
all but impossible in the torrent of personal abuse rendered against
all NCTA.

The PCTA extras could never, ever make their case for maintenance
of the morse code test...but they cannot ever lose any argument so
the personal abuse levelled against NCTA continues...and continues.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than you
ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.

Nope.

Yep.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.

Nope.

You're getting warmer.

Too bad for you.

Nope.

Yep.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!

So have I been, Brain.

No, you have not.

Nursie thinks so. That is sufficient for her version of "truth."


Not only as a member of CAP,

Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.

But...but...nursie has been a PILOT IN COMMAND!!!

[of a two-seater, single engine light general av aircraft...]

Oddly enough, for all that claimed PILOT IN COMMAND
experience, nursie never was a pilot in command in USMC.
Not in 18 years or whatever it was for the military "career."


(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF
has to
say about it...)

Too bad.

Tsk. In nursies mind is the equation: CAP.GT.USAF

[CAP greater than USAF]

Ergo, the CAP is far more important to the National Defense than USAF
ever was. In her mind.


Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.

Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.

Hi, hi!

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling,
even.

Nefarious Yell DMC is notorious for yelling.

...and lying. Gunnery nurse consistently makes typos.

He make more spells than a coven of witches.

Amateur ones.

But he does keep the cauldron (the pot) boiling... :-)


Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the
other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.

No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.

Your fixation on my genatalia is noted. Again and again.

It's the Macho in the Mighty Macho Morsemen.

Too much "test" in the CW "test-osterone." Overdose.


The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be truthful,
trustworty and honest.

That would make you a woman.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.

A crazy woman at that.

Witch?

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from the
crowd.

You just keep your distance from me.

[I wonder how far a "fuhrter" distance is?]

He say he spell real fine. ?


You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.

Uh huh. Right.

Good. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step.

That's about as far as it gets...

Go get yourself fixed.

Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?

You try to Cow everyone into believing your lies.

He try for "bull-y" but is an udder failure.


Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...

Steve, K4YZ

I've neither dropped them nor stepped in them.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?

Seemingly, not.

Nursie fantasyland social mores are quite different than in reality.

Despite an issue worth discussing ("ARRL to propose subband-by-
bandwidth regulation"), everything seems to wind up with nursie
insulting everyone she doesn't agree with. Nearly every thread gets
like that.

No wonder Robert Casey, among others, is irritated.

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

Len's lucky it doesn't come down to a vote on either.

Is Steve as lucky?

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than
you
ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.

Nope.

Yep.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.

Nope.

You're getting warmer.

Too bad for you.

Nope.

Yep.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!

So have I been, Brain.

No, you have not.

Nursie thinks so. That is sufficient for her version of "truth."

Maybe he can get together with Kelly and compare "real Air Force"
experience!

Hi, hi!

Katapult King Kellie was doing intel photo work for the USN, not
the USAF...and dining with the Captain, leaving all the "drudge"
work to the enlisted folk.

Nursie really needs to consult with Rev. Jim since Jimmie read
all the "Jane's" books on military things and probably is as
"renowned" on that history as he is on all of radio. That's a
natural since Jimmie had all this military service experience,
worked military comms, even became an expert gury on Space
from his years in aerospace!

Error! Error! Jimmie did not. No matter, Jimmie will say anyone
talking against him is in "error" anyway... :-)

Not only as a member of CAP,

Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.

But...but...nursie has been a PILOT IN COMMAND!!!

[of a two-seater, single engine light general av aircraft...]

Oddly enough, for all that claimed PILOT IN COMMAND
experience, nursie never was a pilot in command in USMC.
Not in 18 years or whatever it was for the military "career."

He only does great things outside of his occupation. Hmmmm?

Whatever nursie does is "great!" :-)

Remember, he became a PILOT IN COMMAND as a civilian!

Probably got a set of wings with the laurel wreath around the
star above the shield to denote "COMMAND PILOT!" :-)

Somehow that (in his imagining) makes him an ichiban Hero
in ham radio? Hai, hai! :-)

(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of
the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF
has to
say about it...)

Too bad.

Tsk. In nursies mind is the equation: CAP.GT.USAF

[CAP greater than USAF]

Ergo, the CAP is far more important to the National Defense than USAF
ever was. In her mind.

Apparently he didn't read those 1950's "This is the Air Force"
phamplets during CAP training.

Hi, hi!

The ink on the pamphlets might have faded in a quarter century
before he had someone read them to him. Long time to sit around
waiting for a PILOT IN COMMAND to get them. :-)

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.

Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.

Hi, hi!

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling,
even.

Nefarious Yell DMC is notorious for yelling.

...and lying. Gunnery nurse consistently makes typos.

He make more spells than a coven of witches.

Amateur ones.

But he does keep the cauldron (the pot) boiling... :-)

Maybe he should lance it.

Would that make him the "little lance corporal?" :-)


Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the
other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.

No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.

Your fixation on my genatalia is noted. Again and again.

It's the Macho in the Mighty Macho Morsemen.

Too much "test" in the CW "test-osterone." Overdose.

I've noticed a drastic reduction in his use of the Yiddish word for
penis.

Nursie seems adamant on requiring all entering ham radio to get
a sperm count and have that passed in order to complete a license
application. Nursie is always into matters of SEX. Strange.

Jimmy Who must have faxed out a white paper on it.

Jimmie "sned" him a copy...

The question is, "Can Jimmy Who control Nefarious Yell DMC?"

Impossible!

Jimmie heartily approves of such behavior as done by nursie.

Saves him having to step down from posing as Mother Superior
in here under his real callsign. Doesn't stop him from joining in
as an anonymousie with haiku-like spacing...that anonymousie
approves of gunnery nurse Yell-yell's behavior and gives him high-
fives verbally. Hypocritical, but such is life in the newsgroup.

The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be
truthful,
trustworty and honest.

That would make you a woman.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.

A crazy woman at that.

Witch?

What?

Who?

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from
the
crowd.

You just keep your distance from me.

[I wonder how far a "fuhrter" distance is?]

He say he spell real fine. ?

It's about the distance of a "frank fuhrter."

He wasn't "frank" about it...

You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.

Uh huh. Right.

Good. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step.

That's about as far as it gets...

Yep - force field keeping him back. The force of light and goodness.

That force didn't come from his family joules...

[Erg! such a bad pun... :-) ]


Go get yourself fixed.

Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your
own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?

You try to Cow everyone into believing your lies.

He try for "bull-y" but is an udder failure.

Back up to his definition of being a man.

He didn't make one. Leastways, he doesn't act like those words.

Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...

Steve, K4YZ

I've neither dropped them nor stepped in them.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?

Seemingly, not.

Nursie fantasyland social mores are quite different than in reality.

Despite an issue worth discussing ("ARRL to propose subband-by-
bandwidth regulation"), everything seems to wind up with nursie
insulting everyone she doesn't agree with. Nearly every thread gets
like that.

No wonder Robert Casey, among others, is irritated.



I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group.

I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for
U.S. amateur radio of today.

Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But,
unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession,
not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of
boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a
military one.

U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a
nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's
license (with or without being a "pilot in command").

U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do
all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is
helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more
essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian
pilot licenses.

U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to
regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or
staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate
U.S. amateur radio.

Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification"
to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER
a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church
of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true.

Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically
make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S.
amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S.
amateur radio.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/29/2004 3:20 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Well, at least you aren't focused on my genitalia per usual.

What's to focus on?

Only you can answer that question. I just don't feel comfortable with
guys constantly referring to my penis. That is all.

Steve was the kind of kid who might set fire to a doghouse (with a dog
in it) just to see if he could scare and intimidate the other kids.
He wasn't big enough to physically bully them. He desperately needed
a reputation.

Actually Steve was involved with volunteer SAR, learning to fly and
Amateur
Radio stuff as a kid rather than getting busted for weed and other socially
detrimental behaviour that was popular in the 70's, Brain.

Stil sucks to be you.

Steve, K4YZ

Did the dog live?

But the rabbit died... :-)