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KØHB August 12th 04 05:25 PM

ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
 
http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html




William August 13th 04 03:18 AM

"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...
http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html


So regulate R.R.A.P. by bandwidth. Yelling is 10db wider than everything else.

Outlaw yelling.

"Sorry Hans, Steve IS Yelling!"

Hi, hi!

Brian Kelly August 14th 04 03:26 AM

"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...
http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html


Smacks of overegulation. Bloody white of 'em to "let us see it" before
they take it to the FCC this time.

w3rv

Dan/W4NTI August 14th 04 05:47 PM


"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message

link.net...
http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html


Smacks of overegulation. Bloody white of 'em to "let us see it" before
they take it to the FCC this time.

w3rv


Remember the letting Novice, non cw, ops on HF Phone??????? There was such
a loud cry they at least payed attention this time.

Dan/W4NTI



N2EY August 14th 04 06:02 PM

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html

Some good ideas, some not-so-good ideas.

Good ideas:

- It's about bandwidth, not content. Right now, if you can fit a digital voice
signal into a 200 Hz bandwidth, you can only use it on the 'phone-image
subbands. But you can use a much wider PACTOR signal on the CW/data subbands -
as long as the PACTOR signal isn't carrying digital voice.

- Is Hellschreiber data or image?

- Faster data modes have a place to play

Bad ideas:

- Robot pactors and such can go way down in the band

- No CW-only subbands

Just IMHO.

73 de Jim, N2EY


KØHB August 14th 04 06:08 PM


"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

Personally, I'd propose a regulation similar to what currently exists on
160M --- "Here are your bands. Stay inside of the edges. Have a nice
day."

73, de Hans, K0HB






Brian Kelly August 14th 04 11:28 PM

"KØHB" wrote in message hlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

Personally, I'd propose a regulation similar to what currently exists on
160M --- "Here are your bands. Stay inside of the edges. Have a nice
day."


The result would be chaos. All you have to do is tune around 160 a bit
to come to the conclusion that the ops who get on 160 are with very
rare exceptions a whole different breed of cat from the hordes of
HF-only spectrum dwellers from a number of perspectives. The
"misbehavior ratios" being one of those. If there was a simplistic
"unisolution" like you're proposing it would have been implemented
decades ago.

73, de Hans, K0HB


w3rv

Brian Kelly August 15th 04 09:34 AM

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message thlink.net...
"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message

link.net...
http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html


Smacks of overegulation. Bloody white of 'em to "let us see it" before
they take it to the FCC this time.

w3rv


Remember the letting Novice, non cw, ops on HF Phone??????? There was such
a loud cry they at least payed attention this time.


Maybe more like they just tossed us a bone Dan. I keeps compulsively
shipping my dues to Newington and I keeps wanting to WRING THEIR
SCRAWNY POLITICALLY-CORRECT NECKS!

Dan/W4NTI


w3rv

Theatre of the Mind August 15th 04 12:48 PM


"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html


Looks to me like another lame-assed attempt
by the Apple Rubbing Reamers League to
eliminate AM from the 75 and 40 Meter bands.

Pathetic......


Dan/W4NTI August 15th 04 04:33 PM


"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message

thlink.net...
"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message

link.net...
http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html

Smacks of overegulation. Bloody white of 'em to "let us see it" before
they take it to the FCC this time.

w3rv


Remember the letting Novice, non cw, ops on HF Phone??????? There was

such
a loud cry they at least payed attention this time.


Maybe more like they just tossed us a bone Dan. I keeps compulsively
shipping my dues to Newington and I keeps wanting to WRING THEIR
SCRAWNY POLITICALLY-CORRECT NECKS!

Dan/W4NTI


w3rv


It's election time for the Board of Directors. I have brought this up for
the last month at club meetings, on the air, announced it on VHF and HF
nets. Any interest? Nope.

I give up.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI August 15th 04 04:35 PM


"Theatre of the Mind" wrote in message
groups.com...

"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html


Looks to me like another lame-assed attempt
by the Apple Rubbing Reamers League to
eliminate AM from the 75 and 40 Meter bands.

Pathetic......

Go read the proposal on the ARRL site. You will see that AM is NOT being
regulated out of this proposal.

Dan/W4NTI



Brian Kelly August 16th 04 04:35 PM

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net...
"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message

thlink.net...
"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message

link.net...
http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html

Smacks of overegulation. Bloody white of 'em to "let us see it" before
they take it to the FCC this time.

w3rv

Remember the letting Novice, non cw, ops on HF Phone??????? There was

such
a loud cry they at least payed attention this time.


Maybe more like they just tossed us a bone Dan. I keeps compulsively
shipping my dues to Newington and I keeps wanting to WRING THEIR
SCRAWNY POLITICALLY-CORRECT NECKS!

Dan/W4NTI


w3rv


It's election time for the Board of Directors. I have brought this up for
the last month at club meetings, on the air, announced it on VHF and HF
nets. Any interest? Nope.

I give up.


Being a Director is one more hobby within the hobby. It's all politics
and hams who are big into being politicians get into it and the rest
of us ignore it.


Dan/W4NTI


w3rv

Dan/W4NTI August 16th 04 10:27 PM


It's election time for the Board of Directors. I have brought this up

for
the last month at club meetings, on the air, announced it on VHF and HF
nets. Any interest? Nope.

I give up.


Being a Director is one more hobby within the hobby. It's all politics
and hams who are big into being politicians get into it and the rest
of us ignore it.


Dan/W4NTI


w3rv


Of course, but my point is no one is interested in nominating anyone either.

Dan/W4NTI



N2EY August 18th 04 12:17 PM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


That's true - but there should be!

Personally, I'd propose a regulation similar to what currently exists on
160M --- "Here are your bands. Stay inside of the edges. Have a nice
day."


The result would be chaos. All you have to do is tune around 160 a bit
to come to the conclusion that the ops who get on 160 are with very
rare exceptions a whole different breed of cat from the hordes of
HF-only spectrum dwellers from a number of perspectives. The
"misbehavior ratios" being one of those. If there was a simplistic
"unisolution" like you're proposing it would have been implemented
decades ago.


Agreed but there's even more to it.

160 used to have subbands-by-mode. Then hams all but lost the band to LORAN. We
got it back in little bits and pieces over a couple of decades. The lack of
subbands-by-mode today is a result of that, not any special characteristic of
160.

btw, anybody who says "CW is dead" should take a look at the ARRL 160 m contest
scores.

73 de Jim, N2EY



Bert Craig August 18th 04 03:10 PM

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
btw, anybody who says "CW is dead" should take a look at the ARRL 160 m

contest
scores.

73 de Jim, N2EY


....or just get OTA.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI



William August 19th 04 01:34 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


That's true - but there should be!


Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?

Personally, I'd propose a regulation similar to what currently exists on
160M --- "Here are your bands. Stay inside of the edges. Have a nice
day."


The result would be chaos. All you have to do is tune around 160 a bit
to come to the conclusion that the ops who get on 160 are with very
rare exceptions a whole different breed of cat from the hordes of
HF-only spectrum dwellers from a number of perspectives. The
"misbehavior ratios" being one of those. If there was a simplistic
"unisolution" like you're proposing it would have been implemented
decades ago.


Agreed but there's even more to it.

160 used to have subbands-by-mode. Then hams all but lost the band to LORAN. We
got it back in little bits and pieces over a couple of decades. The lack of
subbands-by-mode today is a result of that, not any special characteristic of
160.

btw, anybody who says "CW is dead" should take a look at the ARRL 160 m contest
scores.

73 de Jim, N2EY


What was your score?

Steve Robeson K4CAP August 19th 04 01:51 PM

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/19/2004 7:34 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


That's true - but there should be!


Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


Narrow band modes, Brainless Twerp, in as much as Conditionals, Generals,
Advanced and Extras could STILL exercise the full breadth of thier privileges
there.

The NOVICES may ahve been limited to using only CW, however NONE of those
"subbands" was restricted to CW only.

Never.

btw, anybody who says "CW is dead" should take a look at the ARRL 160 m

contest
scores.

73 de Jim, N2EY


What was your score?


What was YOURS? (More logbooks locked away, no doubt........)

Steve, K4YZ






Dee D. Flint August 19th 04 02:06 PM


"William" wrote in message
om...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message

...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


That's true - but there should be!


Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes here.
Thus they are not "CW only."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Steve Robeson K4CAP August 19th 04 02:39 PM

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 8/19/2004 8:06 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message
. com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...


Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.


Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes here.
Thus they are not "CW only."


We gotta go easy on him, Dee...Brain does not assimilate facts very well,
and getting him to acknowledge them even when they are glaring and well known
is pretty "iffy"...

73

Steve, K4YZ






s. hanrahan August 19th 04 03:04 PM

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:08:04 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote:


"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


Sure there has, ever heard of the "Novice subbands"?

Stacey/AA7YA

s. hanrahan August 19th 04 03:09 PM

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 07:48:43 -0400, "Theatre of the Mind"
wrote:


"KØHB" wrote in message
link.net...

http://www.arrl.org/announce/bandwidth.html


Looks to me like another lame-assed attempt
by the Apple Rubbing Reamers League to
eliminate AM from the 75 and 40 Meter bands.

Pathetic......


Nowhere in that article does it say the ARRL wants to eliminate AM
from the 75 and 40 meter bands. Try reading with your eyes open,
instead of stewing in your seat with your eyes wide shut for a change.

Stacey/AA7YA

Dee D. Flint August 19th 04 03:33 PM


"s. hanrahan" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:08:04 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote:


"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


Sure there has, ever heard of the "Novice subbands"?

Stacey/AA7YA


General class and higher are allowed to use FSK in the novice segments so
there are no "CW-only" subbands on HF.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


William August 19th 04 07:07 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From:
(William)
Date: 8/19/2004 7:34 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

That's true - but there should be!


Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


Narrow band modes, Brainless Twerp, in as much as Conditionals, Generals,
Advanced and Extras could STILL exercise the full breadth of thier privileges
there.


Is this the part where The World's Greatest DXer comes in and mentions
that you consistently spell "thier" incorrectly?

You guys are so predictable.

The NOVICES may ahve been limited to using only CW, however NONE of those
"subbands" was restricted to CW only.

Never.


"Ahven't" they?

They were to Novices.

btw, anybody who says "CW is dead" should take a look at the ARRL 160 m

contest
scores.

73 de Jim, N2EY


What was your score?


What was YOURS? (More logbooks locked away, no doubt........)


What was yours?

William August 19th 04 07:09 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message

...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

That's true - but there should be!


Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes here.
Thus they are not "CW only."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Now tell me about the Novices.

William August 19th 04 11:55 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...


"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


That's true


No. It isn't. You and Kelly are wrong. There was a whole class of
amateur that was allowed nothing but CW on HF, and other hams had to
abide by mode and power limits of those subbands.

- but there should be!


Ask the FCC to make you a Novice and you can have all the CW you can
stomach in what Hans calls the "novice ghetto." Maybe some benevolent
Extra will come along and give you a pity QSO. Hi, hi!

Dee D. Flint August 20th 04 12:35 AM


"William" wrote in message
om...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message

...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...


"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


That's true


No. It isn't. You and Kelly are wrong. There was a whole class of
amateur that was allowed nothing but CW on HF, and other hams had to
abide by mode and power limits of those subbands.


Sorry but you are wrong. Although Novices were restricted to CW only in
limited subbands, Generals and higher could operate FSK in those same
portions of the spectrum. Check your FCC rule book.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Jack Twilley August 20th 04 12:57 AM

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William Ask the FCC to make you a Novice and you can have all the CW
William you can stomach in what Hans calls the "novice ghetto."
William Maybe some benevolent Extra will come along and give you a
William pity QSO. Hi, hi!

Huh. The "Novice ghetto" is where I go to listen to slow code for
practicing purposes. It's also where I've had my single successful CW
QSO -- with a long-time ham who was willing to be patient with me.

Sounds like a nicer place than lots of other chunks of the ham bands,
and a hell of a lot nicer than here, if you ask me.

Jack.
(yet another nickel Extra.)
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jmt at twilley dot org
http colon slash slash www dot twilley dot org slash tilde jmt slash
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Steve Robeson K4CAP August 20th 04 02:14 AM

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: s. hanrahan
Date: 8/19/2004 9:04 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:08:04 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote:


"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


Sure there has, ever heard of the "Novice subbands"?


They STILL were NOT "CW-only" subbands.

Conditionals, Generals, Advanced and Extras were allowed to exercise the
full breadth of thier privileges there.

They were NOT "CW-only".

73

Steve, K4YZ






Steve Robeson K4CAP August 20th 04 02:40 AM

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/19/2004 1:07 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From:
(William)
Date: 8/19/2004 7:34 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

That's true - but there should be!

Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


Narrow band modes, Brainless Twerp, in as much as Conditionals,

Generals,
Advanced and Extras could STILL exercise the full breadth of thier

privileges
there.


Is this the part where The World's Greatest DXer comes in and mentions
that you consistently spell "thier" incorrectly?


And does THAT negate the fact that you were WRONG about YOUR assertion
that there are "CW only" subbands on HF...?!?!

You guys are so predictable.


As are you, Brain.

Try to hide your own inadequacies behind a typo I made...?!?!

The NOVICES may have been limited to using only CW, however NONE of

those
"subbands" was restricted to CW only.

Never.


"Ahven't" they?


Nope.

They were to Novices.


That's not what was said.

btw, anybody who says "CW is dead" should take a look at the ARRL 160 m

contest
scores.

73 de Jim, N2EY

What was your score?


What was YOURS? (More logbooks locked away, no doubt........)


What was yours?


On my desk. Didn't participate in the 160 test, though...Have in the
past, but not this time.

Steve, K4YZ







Steve Robeson K4CAP August 20th 04 02:41 AM

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/19/2004 1:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...
"William" wrote in message
om...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

That's true - but there should be!

Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and

10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes here.
Thus they are not "CW only."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Now tell me about the Novices.


Why? You'll only try to redirect the reply behind a typo or some
irrelevent point.

The facts are there are NO "CW-Only" subbands on HF.

Steve, K4YZ






Jim Hampton August 20th 04 05:33 AM

(William) wrote in message . com...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

That's true - but there should be!

Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes here.
Thus they are not "CW only."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Now tell me about the Novices.


I don't believe the question was about license class; it was about the
HF amateur spectrum. In that case, there is no exclusive CW anywhere
on HF. On VHF, of course, there is.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim - AA2QA

Steve Robeson K4CAP August 20th 04 07:16 AM

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Jim Hampton)
Date: 8/19/2004 11:33 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

...


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes here.
Thus they are not "CW only."


Now tell me about the Novices.


I don't believe the question was about license class; it was about the
HF amateur spectrum. In that case, there is no exclusive CW anywhere
on HF. On VHF, of course, there is.


Of course it wasn't about license classes...At least NOT until AFTER Brain
realized that he was backed into yet another corner after stepping in the
verbal cow patty he'd laid. Then he had to find SOME way of trying to keep
everyone from looking at his shoes.

Too late.

Steve, K4YZ






Charles Brabham August 20th 04 09:49 AM

The proposed division by bandwidth hasn't even gone through, and I'm already
hearing from digital buffs who have plans to be able to utilize much more
bandwidth than they currently do. - More bandwidth by a factor of three or
four.

It sure is good to know that this has all been carefully thought over so
that nobody would be edged out or marginalized by the new proposal - Not!

Charles, N5PVL
(digital enthusiast)



William August 20th 04 01:13 PM

(Jim Hampton) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

That's true - but there should be!

Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15, and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes here.
Thus they are not "CW only."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Now tell me about the Novices.


I don't believe the question was about license class; it was about the
HF amateur spectrum. In that case, there is no exclusive CW anywhere
on HF. On VHF, of course, there is.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim - AA2QA


Jim, for a whole class of licensees, there absolutely were CW Only
subbands. And if my memory serves, higher class licensees had to
abide by the mode and power restrictions.

Where's Miccolis with his ham history cliff notes?

Dee D. Flint August 20th 04 01:54 PM


"William" wrote in message
om...
(Jim Hampton) wrote in message

. com...
(William) wrote in message
. com...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message

...
"William" wrote in message
om...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,


(Brian Kelly) writes:

"KØHB" wrote in message
thlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

That's true - but there should be!

Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15,

and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes

here.
Thus they are not "CW only."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Now tell me about the Novices.


I don't believe the question was about license class; it was about the
HF amateur spectrum. In that case, there is no exclusive CW anywhere
on HF. On VHF, of course, there is.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim - AA2QA


Jim, for a whole class of licensees, there absolutely were CW Only
subbands. And if my memory serves, higher class licensees had to
abide by the mode and power restrictions.

Where's Miccolis with his ham history cliff notes?


Look at your FCC rule book. They had to abide by the power restrictions on
15m, 40m, and 80m in the novice subbands but not in the 10m novice subband.
In the 10m novice subband, Generals and higher could use full legal limit.
In all of those novice subbands, they were NOT restricted to the mode
requirements of the novices. READ YOUR RULEBOOK!!! These rules have been
in effect for longer than I have been licensed (1992) and I have copies of
the rule books for this time period.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Brian Kelly August 20th 04 03:57 PM

(William) wrote in message . com...
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(Brian Kelly) writes:

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"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


That's true


No. It isn't. You and Kelly are wrong. There was a whole class of
amateur that was allowed nothing but CW on HF, and other hams had to
abide by mode and power limits of those subbands.


HeeHeeHee!

You don't even know the difference between a mode and a set of operating priveleges.

Nitwit.

Figgers.


- but there should be!


Ask the FCC to make you a Novice and you can have all the CW you can
stomach in what Hans calls the "novice ghetto." Maybe some benevolent
Extra will come along and give you a pity QSO. Hi, hi!


Steve Robeson K4CAP August 20th 04 06:05 PM

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 8/20/2004 7:54 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message


Jim, for a whole class of licensees, there absolutely were CW Only
subbands. And if my memory serves, higher class licensees had to
abide by the mode and power restrictions.

Where's Miccolis with his ham history cliff notes?


Look at your FCC rule book. They had to abide by the power restrictions on
15m, 40m, and 80m in the novice subbands but not in the 10m novice subband.
In the 10m novice subband, Generals and higher could use full legal limit.
In all of those novice subbands, they were NOT restricted to the mode
requirements of the novices. READ YOUR RULEBOOK!!! These rules have been
in effect for longer than I have been licensed (1992) and I have copies of
the rule books for this time period.


Dee, your operating on the presumption that Brain can read, let alone
comprehend what he reads. Big stretch there!

73

Steve, K4YZ






William August 20th 04 08:47 PM

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"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.

That's true - but there should be!

Odd, when I was first licensed I could only use CW on 80, 40, 15,

and 10M.

Wonder what kind of subbands those were?


General class and higher licensees can also use the FSK data modes

here.
Thus they are not "CW only."

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Now tell me about the Novices.

I don't believe the question was about license class; it was about the
HF amateur spectrum. In that case, there is no exclusive CW anywhere
on HF. On VHF, of course, there is.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim - AA2QA


Jim, for a whole class of licensees, there absolutely were CW Only
subbands. And if my memory serves, higher class licensees had to
abide by the mode and power restrictions.

Where's Miccolis with his ham history cliff notes?


Look at your FCC rule book.


I don't have one from 15 years ago. I thought they had to abide by
the Novice restrictions.

They had to abide by the power restrictions on
15m, 40m, and 80m in the novice subbands but not in the 10m novice subband.
In the 10m novice subband, Generals and higher could use full legal limit.
In all of those novice subbands, they were NOT restricted to the mode
requirements of the novices. READ YOUR RULEBOOK!!! These rules have been
in effect for longer than I have been licensed (1992) and I have copies of
the rule books for this time period.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Thanks Dee. Looks like I was wrong, and I stand corrected.

Apologies to Jim and Kelly.

bb

William August 20th 04 08:48 PM

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: s. hanrahan

Date: 8/19/2004 9:04 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:08:04 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote:


"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


Sure there has, ever heard of the "Novice subbands"?


They were/are for Novices, with the exception of 10M.

N2EY August 20th 04 10:33 PM

In article , s. hanrahan
writes:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:08:04 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote:


"N2EY" wrote


- No CW-only subbands


There never have been any "CW-only" subbands on HF.


Sure there has, ever heard of the "Novice subbands"?

Yep. They're not CW-only. While Novices and Tech Pluses can only use CW on
their parts of 80/40/15, higher class licensees can use digital modes there.

Point is there's no place on amateur HF where a ham can go and only have to
deal with CW QRM. I think it would be a good idea if there were.

Take 80 meters for example. Make 3500-3575 CW-only, 3575-3725 digital and CW
(with digital having precedence) and 3725-4000 analog voice and image.
"Digital" refers to any mode other than analog voice or image - meaning digital
voice, too.

Why not?

73 de Jim, N2EY



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