Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 11:38 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:


If you want to see where your faulty reasoning on "relationships"
is, just look back over the last two weeks or so of newsgroup
messages.


You three are in a co-dependent relationship. Denial is okay at this

stage.

No denial needed here, Mike.

Lennie and Brain have both asserted that I "can't help myself" from
responding to their trash, but some quick math will show that they are up on me
at least 4-to-one...Both of them frequently "divide" one of my responses into
several for responding purposes, making several "responses" to one post.

I do nicely without them. I wish they'd both go away...Not because of
thier differing opinions, but rather because neither of them can work on
getting thier "point" across without being mistruthful, abrasive or out-and-out
deceitful.

When I read your post comparing yourself to the "guy that runs in the
room and takes swats at the Piñata, I figured you out, as well as had a
good laugh - the visualization is priceless. But that told me a lot.

I've noted that you will be just as civil as you are treated.

I don't always agree with what you say, but that hasn't been a problem
between us, has it.

I've not had any particular trouble with Brian, but the other half of
the duo obviously has trouble with me, despite my refusal to get down in
the mud with him. just in his last couple posts to me, I'm accused of:

being mentally deranged from head trauma
smoking an apparently controlled substance
Having some undefined "problem
possibly called a schmuck

hmmmm, civil discourse indeed!

I'm firmly convinced that if they were to go away, or to start posting
in a civil manner, it would be just fine with you.

But I don't think the reverse is true.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
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Len Over 21 wrote:

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Len Over 21 wrote:


In article , Mike Coslo

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So WHAT, Brian? Steve is Pro code test, so you decide everyone
who is
pro code test is like Steve?

If Steve has a problem with anonymous posters, so what?


Nursie only has "problems" with those who think differently than her.

Hypocrisy with hysteresis.

I think you and Brian should take it up with Steve.


We have. In public. That's what has you up a tree and yelling. :-)



I'm certainly not going to condemn every anonymous poster no
matter if

they disagree with me or not. I won't condemn Blackguard or Quitefine
or
Leo or any of them.

But...you WILL side with them, even cheer them on, if they are PCTA.

And you say I have a thing about stating the obvious!

Once again, *so what*? You'll side with an anonymous NCTA or interested


No code test person.


If an anonymousie shows up, then they are unidentified. No one can
really know what their opinions on the code test are... Hi hi.



To expect me to bust someone's chops because they are anonymous and
express an opinion that I agree with is unrealistic and a bit odd. Fight
your own fights.


Tsk. Nobody's "chops were busted." :-)

If you have a beef with chops, then get ham. Or fish around for
another tasty subject. Or vegetate.

The only "fighting" or "chop busting" going on is the self-perceived
activity going on in the mind of individual readers.



It ain't my fight, and you'll not be able to make it my fight.
I may
occasionally have something to say if one of them makes a particularly
offensive post, but none of them have.

You ARE making it a fight! :-)

Absolutely not! :^) Brian wants me to condemn them because Steve does.
Ain't my fight at all.


If it isn't "your fight," then why are you spending so much time
talking
about other "fights?" :-)



You are taking two different things here, notably the fact that
some
of

us don't condemn anonymous posters, and furthermore, we also don't
condemn anonymous posters that may agree with us, and expecting
something that just isn't human nature. Now when the anonymous poster
disagrees with us, its more likely that a person will say something
negative about the anonymous poster, but that doesn't mean we all have

to.

Nobody is forcing you to support the anonymousie PCTA-ers. :-)

But you do. Hi hi.

LIB! I've been here for years now and it's official now. I'm a PCTA!


"LIB?" :-)

Coslo, you support the anonymousie PCTA types. You must. You
don't "bust their chops."

I'd say you secretly support them by not saying nasty about Their
saying nasty.



You can post as Billybeeper all day as far as I am concerned.
Leo is
civil, and I have no problem with that.

But you DO have a problem here, don't you? Hi hi.

Nope.


To (again) state the obvious, you've already devoted much of your time
to talking about "chop busting" and "fights." You DO have a problem.

hmmm.....


Steve thinks elsewise. Argue the point with him.

There is NO argument with the gunnery nurse. She never does
or says anything wrong. :-)

Frankly my dear Lenover21, I don't give a damn about Steve and his mode


of expression.


Right. Another example of the PCTA extra Double Standard. Hi hi.

Hmm, explain? I don't care about your mode of expression either.
Sometimes I enjoy it.


Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.

Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.



You don't have that kind of time. There are many, many examples.

They are all in Google, safely archived. :-)



I don't particularly care for it, but he and you and
Brian have carved out a relationship that seems to give all of you what
you seek in here.


I don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

We "have a relationship?"

I have no "relationship" with any uncouth left-over marine who
thinks that a purchasing agent job equals "engineering." Hi hi.

Oh yes you do. Don't get so excited now!


Coslo, you must have been sticked in the helmet in recent past
hockey games.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.

Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?" :-)



Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.

3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)



If you want to see where your faulty reasoning on "relationships"
is, just look back over the last two weeks or so of newsgroup
messages.


You three are in a co-dependent relationship. Denial is okay at this
stage.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are. :-)



I don't have any "relationship" with some SOB (the B stands for
Beeper) who wants to insult my wife and imply harm is coming
to me and my family.

Oh yes you do.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you are condoning threatening behavior...and
thereby showing the PCTA extra Double Standard!


Now this ia a bizarre conclusion. I do not condone violence against
anyone.

But you made no comment on his implied threats.


If he does or does not threaten violence against you, or you do
the same with him, does not affect the co-dependent relationship you
have all developed. It only shows the true nature of the co-dependance.

What is that "true nature," Dr. Freud?



You have a very strange comment and have driven way out of the
limits of definitions of the word "relationship."

Without them, you have less people to join in your posting tirades. I
doubt I'm much fun to post to, certainly nowhere near as much fun as
your battles with Steve.


What "battle?" Do you perceive "battles?" Tsk.

You perceive yourself in battles all the time, if Dave's quotations are

correct! 8^)

Who is "Dave?"

Tsk. If you want to think someone who works Frenchmen out of band
on 6m is "correct," then feel free... :-)


But, you've never been in the military, don't know what "live fire" is
about (from weaponry, that is).

I've served my country for a lot longer than you ever did.

You are being very irrelevant now.

Tsk. Another "hostile action" hero claiming what? :-)

Sounds very rank to me...

"Steve" who? :-)


You get what you want out of those battles, all three of you.

Unless you take all of this seriously. Tell me you *don't* take any of
this seriously. Do you think that you will change Steve's, or Jim's, or
Dave's or even my own mind?


I don't take these things seriously. :-)

That's really good.

It's really true.


It's fun to poke holes in some of the cherished, beloved mythology
found so abundant in olde-tyme hamme lore.

Most of that lore is passed from generation to generation, preserved
and cherished even though much of it is false...or appears false
because alternatives aren't presented for modern-day radio.


But those last two paragraphs make me wonder

I'm sure it does...but then deep philosophical thought is passe' in
here. :-)


Unless you do take it seriously you are just here for the fun of it, to
call Steve and the rest of us names, do whatever arguing you want to do,
and get whatever response we give back to you.


"We?" Do you have several alternate personalities also? Or are you
just wanting to shake your "we-we?"

Now that's not mice.

It appears you've joined what you think is a "battle." Go for it.

Is this the one time it "isn't" a battle? Unlike all the other battle
quotes you've made?

I'm not claiming "hostile action" experience in the military. :-)

You seem to be confused as to who is posting what.





All you will waste is your own time...which could be spent playing
with your radios (when not posting from workplace).





And that, my dear Lenover21, is a relationship that is carved out
mostly between You, Brian, and Steve. Dysfunctional to be sure, but hey,
I'm not going to judge. 8^)


You have ALREADY "judged." And ruled, sentenced, etc. :-)

I don't have a "relationship" with olde-tyme hamme raddio...or its
lifestyling fans.

I think that has been disproven.

I'm just showing what a ridiculous thing the
morse code test is for a civilian hobby...to a bunch of twits who
still think ARS stands for Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

So you really DO take this seriously.


The FCC is on public record saying they don't think the code test
serves as an indicator to them for an applicant's licensing.

That's nice. I like the little side trips we take. 8^)

Oh, my, isn't that a "sunnuvagun?"


Perhaps a Huzzanga?

No. It's a Brakobian "sunnuvagun."

It's all in the Handbook. Look in the index. :-)


If you still believe the morse code test is a valid requirement for
a civilian hobby of amateur radio, then YOU are the "dysfunctional"
one, not I.

If you wish to believe that, go right ahead.

No "belief" necessary.

The FCC doesn't believe it...every other radio service doesn't believe
it.

Those who believe it are just olde-tyme hamme raddio jocks who
managed to pass high-rate morse and Demand Respect as "radio
ops" for having done so.

They've managed to create the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
(ARS) that keeps trying to recapture the "pioneering days" of a past
that existed before they were born. [they get very angry if one
doesn't respect their meeting 1934 standards and practices in the
year 2004]


Have fun peeing in your own pool, Coslo. I don't swim there.

This group is the pool I speak of, and you are the majority poster, so
I'd have to say that you are swimming in the deep end. 8^)

No problem. Sooner or later some agency will install cleaning and
filtrating equipment to sanitize whatever area you PCTA have
polluted...by yourselves.

Like all agencies, that sanitizing installation may take time. But, it
will eventually happen. I'm not worried about time...but such
sanitizing is long, long overdue.

I've had a full career in radio-electronics and am happy for the experience.
[not to mention monetarily independent] Never once in a half century
have I been required to learn or use morse code for any communications
purpose...nor even have to obtain an amateur license in order to show
"interest in radio." Hi hi.

The regulatory end of the amateur radio "pool" needs some sanitizing.
If nothing else, it is clogged with outdated debris from long ago that
makes it sluggish, slow-moving. All that seems to keep it moving is a
lot of fraternal-hall emotional rah-rah of everyone saying how "good" they
are for performing the same job tasks outlined long ago.

Amateur radio is a hobby. It isn't a job, isn't a guild, isn't a union,
isn't some sort of para-military "service" that is essential for national
security. It is regulated by a federal agency which does not require a
single agency staffer to have any amateur radio license.

Hobbies are supposed to be fun. I don't see much "fun" in this
particular wading pool...just a bunch of very angry PCTA calling names
and demanding strict adherence to their particular brand of "fun."
Tsk.

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

I'm firmly convinced that if they were to go away, or to start posting
in a civil manner, it would be just fine with you.

But I don't think the reverse is true.

Tsk, tsk. Hypocrisy is the watchword of the PCTA extra Double
Standard.

Here's some quotes of the "civilized discourse" of another PCTA:

================================================== =
Ya flaming nitwit, you had no clue what an inverted L is until myself
and others patiently and labororiously explained it to you over many
early posts in this thread before you finally got the drift. That
ain't gonna happen agn on my part. At which point you finally decided
an L wouldn't be a solution for you. If you had half a brain you would
have posted a request for advice on antennas at the outset and
provided the specific installation limitations you have which you
eventually revealed late in this idiotic game. Ed asked you what your
installation conditions were but you ignored his offer and went back
to mindlessly hammering yer keyboard here instead.

But of course as we all know you don't have half a brain so
predictably your history has repeated itself. Somebody gotta be the
dunce around here so I guess you'll hafta do until Kim "un-retires"
from RRAP agn.

You can wriggle and you can squirm Burke but you can't help hanging
yourself by your own petard, you were born to shoot both of your feet
as often as you can in public. That's just the way you are.
================================================== =

From someone named "W3RV" in this latest group of "pool" mail.

I don't find going back through Google to endlessly rehash old, old
newsgroup "battles" where the long-ago wounded are still suffering
suppurating ego damage. Since this was in the current newsgroup
mail, the hypocrisy of "civil discourse" was funny... :-)

In here, the discourse of the PCTA should really be spelled
"Diss-curse." Hi hi.

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 12:23 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 11:38 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:


If you want to see where your faulty reasoning on "relationships"
is, just look back over the last two weeks or so of newsgroup
messages.


You three are in a co-dependent relationship. Denial is okay at this

stage.

No denial needed here, Mike.

Lennie and Brain have both asserted that I "can't help myself" from
responding to their trash, but some quick math will show that they are up
on me
at least 4-to-one...Both of them frequently "divide" one of my responses
into
several for responding purposes, making several "responses" to one post.

I do nicely without them. I wish they'd both go away...Not because of
thier differing opinions, but rather because neither of them can work on
getting thier "point" across without being mistruthful, abrasive or
out-and-out
deceitful.

When I read your post comparing yourself to the "guy that runs in the
room and takes swats at the Piñata, I figured you out, as well as had a
good laugh - the visualization is priceless. But that told me a lot.

I've noted that you will be just as civil as you are treated.

Always.

One of my most productive "people skills" at work is putting a foot
forward to make people comfortable and allay thier fears. Not only the
patients, but thier families, too. You'd be surprised how the offer of a
simple cup of coffee or a soda can put people at ease.

I don't always agree with what you say, but that hasn't been a problem
between us, has it.

Nope. And I seriously doubt it ever will, Mike, if for no other reason
that you, like most of the folks here, can agree to disagree without having to
delve into the antics of Lennie the Liar and his oblivious sidekick, PuppetBoy.

I've not had any particular trouble with Brian, but the other half of
the duo obviously has trouble with me, despite my refusal to get down in
the mud with him. just in his last couple posts to me, I'm accused of:

being mentally deranged from head trauma
smoking an apparently controlled substance
Having some undefined "problem
possibly called a schmuck

hmmmm, civil discourse indeed!

Of course.

And we've all been treated to the "one of the guys" routine byt Lennie
until he's decided that you will not be his serf. He called me "Steve" and
"Gunny" until it was clear that I thought that Amateur Radio had much more it
could benefit from Morse Code use and testing.

I still believe that Morse Code testing would benefit Amateur Radio,
however the die has been cast and it's time to move on. I think Lennie hates
that of me more than he hates the fact that I can go toe-to-toe with his
assinine antics.

I'm firmly convinced that if they were to go away, or to start posting
in a civil manner, it would be just fine with you.

Yes, it would.

And in those times where either of them have been civil to me and weren't
making outrageous, obviously flawed statements either about Amateur Radio in
general or me in particilar, I have treated them accordingly.

The problem is Lennie WANTS to fight, and Brain just doesn't know any
better.

But I don't think the reverse is true.

About four months ago (give or take) Brian (since he was being civil at
the time) and I had several exchanges wherein we discussed his autistic child
and other such matters. It lasted about as long as it took for Lennie to rear
his head again after a brief sabbatical, and then it was right back to
"YellYell", "Murine", etc etc etc...

Once in a while Lennie throws us for a loop too. Once I posted an "Off
Topic" request looking for a particular aircraft model. "Len" offered a couple
of suggestions where it might be found. I relplied to "Len" with a heartfelt
thanks for his suggestions. His very NEXT post, however, was a scalding
chastising for being "off topic", etc. "Off topic" now that he'd had a chance
to have HIS say, of course, and now it was time to put the gloves back on.

The same thing happened when I was looking for a radio handset. "Len"
offered a suggestion as to where to look, but then "Lennie" went off on a
tirade about militias, the CAP, and being a "sojer in da woods".

Lennie can't stand being nice for very long. It's not in his character.
It's probably why his average job was about 24 months (according to one of the
many "CV's" he's listed here).

It's unlikely to change, Mike. Myself and others have tripped Lennie up
with his own errors and rhetoric so often that now I am sure it's a matter of
"pride" for him to continue to be "the victim". As long as he can portray
himself as "odd man out" rather than just the "odd man", he thinks he's got a
leg up.

The leg up is just so he can get a clear shot at whizzing on the bushes.
Don't be fooled.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:


In article , Mike Coslo

writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:



In article , Mike Coslo

writes:



So WHAT, Brian? Steve is Pro code test, so you decide everyone

who is

pro code test is like Steve?

If Steve has a problem with anonymous posters, so what?


Nursie only has "problems" with those who think differently than her.

Hypocrisy with hysteresis.

I think you and Brian should take it up with Steve.


We have. In public. That's what has you up a tree and yelling. :-)




I'm certainly not going to condemn every anonymous poster no

matter if

they disagree with me or not. I won't condemn Blackguard or Quitefine

or

Leo or any of them.

But...you WILL side with them, even cheer them on, if they are PCTA.

And you say I have a thing about stating the obvious!

Once again, *so what*? You'll side with an anonymous NCTA or interested


No code test person.


If an anonymousie shows up, then they are unidentified. No one can
really know what their opinions on the code test are... Hi hi.




To expect me to bust someone's chops because they are anonymous and
express an opinion that I agree with is unrealistic and a bit odd. Fight
your own fights.


Tsk. Nobody's "chops were busted." :-)

If you have a beef with chops, then get ham. Or fish around for
another tasty subject. Or vegetate.

The only "fighting" or "chop busting" going on is the self-perceived
activity going on in the mind of individual readers.




It ain't my fight, and you'll not be able to make it my fight.

I may

occasionally have something to say if one of them makes a particularly
offensive post, but none of them have.

You ARE making it a fight! :-)

Absolutely not! :^) Brian wants me to condemn them because Steve does.
Ain't my fight at all.


If it isn't "your fight," then why are you spending so much time

talking

about other "fights?" :-)




You are taking two different things here, notably the fact that

some

of

us don't condemn anonymous posters, and furthermore, we also don't
condemn anonymous posters that may agree with us, and expecting
something that just isn't human nature. Now when the anonymous poster
disagrees with us, its more likely that a person will say something
negative about the anonymous poster, but that doesn't mean we all have

to.


Nobody is forcing you to support the anonymousie PCTA-ers. :-)

But you do. Hi hi.

LIB! I've been here for years now and it's official now. I'm a PCTA!


"LIB?" :-)

Coslo, you support the anonymousie PCTA types. You must. You
don't "bust their chops."

I'd say you secretly support them by not saying nasty about Their
saying nasty.




You can post as Billybeeper all day as far as I am concerned.

Leo is

civil, and I have no problem with that.

But you DO have a problem here, don't you? Hi hi.

Nope.


To (again) state the obvious, you've already devoted much of your time
to talking about "chop busting" and "fights." You DO have a problem.

hmmm.....



Steve thinks elsewise. Argue the point with him.

There is NO argument with the gunnery nurse. She never does
or says anything wrong. :-)

Frankly my dear Lenover21, I don't give a damn about Steve and his mode


of expression.


Right. Another example of the PCTA extra Double Standard. Hi hi.

Hmm, explain? I don't care about your mode of expression either.
Sometimes I enjoy it.


Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.



You don't have that kind of time. There are many, many examples.

They are all in Google, safely archived. :-)




I don't particularly care for it, but he and you and
Brian have carved out a relationship that seems to give all of you what
you seek in here.


I don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

We "have a relationship?"

I have no "relationship" with any uncouth left-over marine who
thinks that a purchasing agent job equals "engineering." Hi hi.

Oh yes you do. Don't get so excited now!


Coslo, you must have been sticked in the helmet in recent past
hockey games.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?" :-)

What are yuo talking about?

Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)



If you want to see where your faulty reasoning on "relationships"
is, just look back over the last two weeks or so of newsgroup
messages.


You three are in a co-dependent relationship. Denial is okay at this

stage.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are. :-)

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.




I don't have any "relationship" with some SOB (the B stands for
Beeper) who wants to insult my wife and imply harm is coming
to me and my family.

Oh yes you do.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you are condoning threatening behavior...and
thereby showing the PCTA extra Double Standard!


Now this ia a bizarre conclusion. I do not condone violence against
anyone.


But you made no comment on his implied threats.

Nor I to you on your's to Dan Jeswald. That's between you and Steve,
and you and Dan. Making threats is bad and makes for bad karma.

Why do you want to dictate the content of my postings? Want to be the
moderator?


If he does or does not threaten violence against you, or you do
the same with him, does not affect the co-dependent relationship you
have all developed. It only shows the true nature of the co-dependance.


What is that "true nature," Dr. Freud?

We're well beyond Freud.

You have a very strange comment and have driven way out of the
limits of definitions of the word "relationship."

Without them, you have less people to join in your posting tirades. I
doubt I'm much fun to post to, certainly nowhere near as much fun as
your battles with Steve.


What "battle?" Do you perceive "battles?" Tsk.

You perceive yourself in battles all the time, if Dave's quotations are

correct! 8^)

Who is "Dave?"

Oh good, philosophy! Who are any of us?

Tsk. If you want to think someone who works Frenchmen out of band
on 6m is "correct," then feel free... :-)

Thanks for the chuckle. I *really* didn't expect that! 8^)

But, you've never been in the military, don't know what "live fire" is
about (from weaponry, that is).

I've served my country for a lot longer than you ever did.

You are being very irrelevant now.


Tsk. Another "hostile action" hero claiming what? :-)

No hostile actions.

Sounds very rank to me...

and no rank.


"Steve" who? :-)



You get what you want out of those battles, all three of you.

Unless you take all of this seriously. Tell me you *don't* take any of
this seriously. Do you think that you will change Steve's, or Jim's, or
Dave's or even my own mind?


I don't take these things seriously. :-)

That's really good.

It's really true.

Hmmm, I hear your words.


It's fun to poke holes in some of the cherished, beloved mythology
found so abundant in olde-tyme hamme lore.

Most of that lore is passed from generation to generation, preserved
and cherished even though much of it is false...or appears false
because alternatives aren't presented for modern-day radio.


But those last two paragraphs make me wonder


I'm sure it does...but then deep philosophical thought is passe' in
here. :-)


Unless you do take it seriously you are just here for the fun of it, to
call Steve and the rest of us names, do whatever arguing you want to do,
and get whatever response we give back to you.


"We?" Do you have several alternate personalities also? Or are you
just wanting to shake your "we-we?"

Now that's not mice.


It appears you've joined what you think is a "battle." Go for it.

Is this the one time it "isn't" a battle? Unlike all the other battle
quotes you've made?


I'm not claiming "hostile action" experience in the military. :-)

Now this is really odd. You accuse Steve of that. Are you getting the
two of us mixed up?

You seem to be confused as to who is posting what.

No confusion here!



All you will waste is your own time...which could be spent playing
with your radios (when not posting from workplace).


And that, my dear Lenover21, is a relationship that is carved out
mostly between You, Brian, and Steve. Dysfunctional to be sure, but hey,
I'm not going to judge. 8^)


You have ALREADY "judged." And ruled, sentenced, etc. :-)

I don't have a "relationship" with olde-tyme hamme raddio...or its
lifestyling fans.

I think that has been disproven.


I'm just showing what a ridiculous thing the
morse code test is for a civilian hobby...to a bunch of twits who
still think ARS stands for Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

So you really DO take this seriously.



The FCC is on public record saying they don't think the code test
serves as an indicator to them for an applicant's licensing.

That's nice. I like the little side trips we take. 8^)


Oh, my, isn't that a "sunnuvagun?"


Perhaps a Huzzanga?

No. It's a Brakobian "sunnuvagun."

Perhaps we should ask Hans himself?

It's all in the Handbook. Look in the index. :-)


If you still believe the morse code test is a valid requirement for
a civilian hobby of amateur radio, then YOU are the "dysfunctional"
one, not I.

If you wish to believe that, go right ahead.


No "belief" necessary.

The FCC doesn't believe it...every other radio service doesn't believe
it.

Those who believe it are just olde-tyme hamme raddio jocks who
managed to pass high-rate morse and Demand Respect as "radio
ops" for having done so.

I see.

They've managed to create the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
(ARS) that keeps trying to recapture the "pioneering days" of a past
that existed before they were born. [they get very angry if one
doesn't respect their meeting 1934 standards and practices in the
year 2004]

any more?


Have fun peeing in your own pool, Coslo. I don't swim there.

This group is the pool I speak of, and you are the majority poster, so
I'd have to say that you are swimming in the deep end. 8^)


No problem. Sooner or later some agency will install cleaning and
filtrating equipment to sanitize whatever area you PCTA have
polluted...by yourselves.

Like all agencies, that sanitizing installation may take time. But, it
will eventually happen. I'm not worried about time...but such
sanitizing is long, long overdue.




I've had a full career in radio-electronics and am happy for the experience.
[not to mention monetarily independent] Never once in a half century
have I been required to learn or use morse code for any communications
purpose...nor even have to obtain an amateur license in order to show
"interest in radio." Hi hi.

Oh good, we're going on another side trip. It is good to hear a success
story. Hopefully you give thanks for every day that you don't have to
use Morse code... 8^)

The regulatory end of the amateur radio "pool" needs some sanitizing.
If nothing else, it is clogged with outdated debris from long ago that
makes it sluggish, slow-moving. All that seems to keep it moving is a
lot of fraternal-hall emotional rah-rah of everyone saying how "good" they
are for performing the same job tasks outlined long ago.

ahh, now *there* is a visualization! 8^)

Amateur radio is a hobby. It isn't a job, isn't a guild, isn't a union,
isn't some sort of para-military "service" that is essential for national
security. It is regulated by a federal agency which does not require a
single agency staffer to have any amateur radio license.

Hobbies are supposed to be fun. I don't see much "fun" in this
particular wading pool...just a bunch of very angry PCTA calling names
and demanding strict adherence to their particular brand of "fun."
Tsk.

The anger is there, and it is real. Perhaps there is some confusion as
to just *who* is feeling the anger.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


I'm firmly convinced that if they were to go away, or to start posting
in a civil manner, it would be just fine with you.

But I don't think the reverse is true.


Tsk, tsk. Hypocrisy is the watchword of the PCTA extra Double
Standard.

Here's some quotes of the "civilized discourse" of another PCTA:

================================================== =
Ya flaming nitwit, you had no clue what an inverted L is until myself
and others patiently and labororiously explained it to you over many
early posts in this thread before you finally got the drift. That
ain't gonna happen agn on my part. At which point you finally decided
an L wouldn't be a solution for you. If you had half a brain you would
have posted a request for advice on antennas at the outset and
provided the specific installation limitations you have which you
eventually revealed late in this idiotic game. Ed asked you what your
installation conditions were but you ignored his offer and went back
to mindlessly hammering yer keyboard here instead.

But of course as we all know you don't have half a brain so
predictably your history has repeated itself. Somebody gotta be the
dunce around here so I guess you'll hafta do until Kim "un-retires"
from RRAP agn.

You can wriggle and you can squirm Burke but you can't help hanging
yourself by your own petard, you were born to shoot both of your feet
as often as you can in public. That's just the way you are.
================================================== =

From someone named "W3RV" in this latest group of "pool" mail.

I don't find going back through Google to endlessly rehash old, old
newsgroup "battles" where the long-ago wounded are still suffering
suppurating ego damage. Since this was in the current newsgroup
mail, the hypocrisy of "civil discourse" was funny... :-)

In here, the discourse of the PCTA should really be spelled
"Diss-curse." Hi hi.


And that had what to do with my statement to Steve? W3RV is Brian
Kelly. How can we have meaningful discussions when you keep bringing in
new material of unknown relevance?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Len Over 21 wrote:

I'm not claiming "hostile action" experience in the military. :-)

"Jeff, you've never been under Incoming, have you? While
trying to get return artillery support on a radio while your
ears, your whole body is numbed by HE infall on your
position? Most folks in that position don't wet their
pants...every sphincter tightens up, ears go deaf, eyes
close tight, and every breath may be the last."

--Len Anderson, 2000


:-)


Well, you aren't *exactly* claiming it. You described the terror of
being under incoming artillery without explaining that you'd never
actually been under any. Perhaps you should have ended that now famous
paragraph with "...or so I've been told".

Come to think of it, that spiffy illustration sort of parallels your
amateur radio experience, doesn't it?

How many minutes flying time were you from death by Soviet Bears were
you?


Dave K8MN and Google

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

I'm not claiming "hostile action" experience in the military. :-)

"Jeff, you've never been under Incoming, have you? While
trying to get return artillery support on a radio while your
ears, your whole body is numbed by HE infall on your
position? Most folks in that position don't wet their
pants...every sphincter tightens up, ears go deaf, eyes
close tight, and every breath may be the last."

--Len Anderson, 2000


:-)


Oh yes, the classic "sphincter post". You shoulda posted the whole thing, Dave
- it was classic how Len tore into Jeff/KH6O's recollection of experiences in
big-time radio. (If running 500 kHz at NPM, handling all sorts of traffic,
weather and SOS operations wasn't big-time radio, nothing was).

Well, you aren't *exactly* claiming it. You described the terror of
being under incoming artillery without explaining that you'd never
actually been under any. Perhaps you should have ended that now famous
paragraph with "...or so I've been told".

Come to think of it, that spiffy illustration sort of parallels your
amateur radio experience, doesn't it?

How many minutes flying time were you from death by Soviet Bears were
you?

You mean the plane which did not even enter service until Len was long gone
from Japan?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.

Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?

You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.

Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)

Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass him.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.

This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was HIS
education that carried the day.

Now this ia a bizarre conclusion. I do not condone violence against
anyone.

But you made no comment on his implied threats.

Nor I to you on your's to Dan Jeswald. That's between you and Steve,
and you and Dan. Making threats is bad and makes for bad karma.

Why do you want to dictate the content of my postings? Want to be the
moderator?

No threats were made. (By me, anyway...) Of course Lennie's quick to
want to be the victim, and to absolve himself of the fact that his antics and
behaviour here invoke that kind of mischeviousness in others.

Tsk. If you want to think someone who works Frenchmen out of band
on 6m is "correct," then feel free...

Thanks for the chuckle. I *really* didn't expect that! 8^)

How many Frenchmen has Lennie worked?

And did DAVE operate illegally?

But, you've never been in the military, don't know what "live fire" is
about (from weaponry, that is).

I've served my country for a lot longer than you ever did.

You are being very irrelevant now.


Tsk. Another "hostile action" hero claiming what? :-)

No hostile actions.

Sounds very rank to me...

and no rank.

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge", and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

The above, of course, proves him to once again lying, but then hey, after
the first 20 or 30, who could keep track?

They've managed to create the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
(ARS) that keeps trying to recapture the "pioneering days" of a past
that existed before they were born. [they get very angry if one
doesn't respect their meeting 1934 standards and practices in the
year 2004]

any more?

The only one here, of course, who is trying to deamnd stagnation at any
point is Lennie himself. His entire world pivots around 1950's era Japan and
his "career" as a radio mechanic at ADA.

None of us who have been licensed more than 3 years has any doubts about
the changes that occur frequently in our Regulations.

Leonard is AGAIN lying. Or even worse...fantasizing.

I've had a full career in radio-electronics and am happy for the
experience.
[not to mention monetarily independent] Never once in a half century
have I been required to learn or use morse code for any communications
purpose...nor even have to obtain an amateur license in order to show
"interest in radio." Hi hi.

Oh good, we're going on another side trip. It is good to hear a success
story. Hopefully you give thanks for every day that you don't have to
use Morse code... 8^)

Yes...the "side trips" are frequent and colorful for Lennie. Of course he
screwed up by being so "detailed" in one of them...Gave me enough information
to go to afriend of mine whoi was a career engineer at one of the places he
(Lennie) "worked" at...The ensuing conversation was enlightening.

Amateur radio is a hobby. It isn't a job, isn't a guild, isn't a union,
isn't some sort of para-military "service" that is essential for
national
security. It is regulated by a federal agency which does not require a
single agency staffer to have any amateur radio license.

Hobbies are supposed to be fun. I don't see much "fun" in this
particular wading pool...just a bunch of very angry PCTA calling names
and demanding strict adherence to their particular brand of "fun."
Tsk.

The anger is there, and it is real. Perhaps there is some confusion as
to just *who* is feeling the anger.

There's no doubt about who's feeling the anger, Mike. It's not you or I.
We're on thie air every day, enjoying the priviledges bestowed upon us by the
FCC.

Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever reason he
thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:


Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.


Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.


Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?


You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.


Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)


Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass him.


Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.


This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was HIS
education that carried the day.


Now this ia a bizarre conclusion. I do not condone violence against
anyone.


But you made no comment on his implied threats.

Nor I to you on your's to Dan Jeswald. That's between you and Steve,
and you and Dan. Making threats is bad and makes for bad karma.

Why do you want to dictate the content of my postings? Want to be the
moderator?


No threats were made. (By me, anyway...) Of course Lennie's quick to
want to be the victim, and to absolve himself of the fact that his antics and
behaviour here invoke that kind of mischeviousness in others.


Tsk. If you want to think someone who works Frenchmen out of band
on 6m is "correct," then feel free...

Thanks for the chuckle. I *really* didn't expect that! 8^)


How many Frenchmen has Lennie worked?

And did DAVE operate illegally?


But, you've never been in the military, don't know what "live fire" is
about (from weaponry, that is).

I've served my country for a lot longer than you ever did.

You are being very irrelevant now.


Tsk. Another "hostile action" hero claiming what? :-)

No hostile actions.


Sounds very rank to me...

and no rank.


Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge", and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

The above, of course, proves him to once again lying, but then hey, after
the first 20 or 30, who could keep track?


They've managed to create the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
(ARS) that keeps trying to recapture the "pioneering days" of a past
that existed before they were born. [they get very angry if one
doesn't respect their meeting 1934 standards and practices in the
year 2004]

any more?


The only one here, of course, who is trying to deamnd stagnation at any
point is Lennie himself. His entire world pivots around 1950's era Japan and
his "career" as a radio mechanic at ADA.

None of us who have been licensed more than 3 years has any doubts about
the changes that occur frequently in our Regulations.

Leonard is AGAIN lying. Or even worse...fantasizing.


I've had a full career in radio-electronics and am happy for the

experience.

[not to mention monetarily independent] Never once in a half century
have I been required to learn or use morse code for any communications
purpose...nor even have to obtain an amateur license in order to show
"interest in radio." Hi hi.

Oh good, we're going on another side trip. It is good to hear a success
story. Hopefully you give thanks for every day that you don't have to
use Morse code... 8^)


Yes...the "side trips" are frequent and colorful for Lennie. Of course he
screwed up by being so "detailed" in one of them...Gave me enough information
to go to afriend of mine whoi was a career engineer at one of the places he
(Lennie) "worked" at...The ensuing conversation was enlightening.

This may sound odd, Steve, but the side trips *are* really my favorite
part of Lenover21's posts. That above sample wasn't all that good, but I
always like to read or listen to old timers stories. I am very
interested in radio history.

As for the rest of the content..... sometimes okay, sometimes not... 8^)


Amateur radio is a hobby. It isn't a job, isn't a guild, isn't a union,
isn't some sort of para-military "service" that is essential for national
security. It is regulated by a federal agency which does not require a
single agency staffer to have any amateur radio license.

Hobbies are supposed to be fun. I don't see much "fun" in this
particular wading pool...just a bunch of very angry PCTA calling names
and demanding strict adherence to their particular brand of "fun."
Tsk.

The anger is there, and it is real. Perhaps there is some confusion as
to just *who* is feeling the anger.

There's no doubt about who's feeling the anger, Mike. It's not you or I.
We're on thie air every day, enjoying the priviledges bestowed upon us by the
FCC.

I believe so. I have always tried to keep the tone civil, and yet that
seems to anger him. I have been known to point out when his reply to
something makes no sense to me, but perhaps that is my own stupidity,
no? Yet he is angry with me.

Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever reason he
thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

It *is* sad. I think that Lenover21 has much to offer, and yet ends up
alienating those that may be able to benefit by what he has to offer.

But there is still time, and there is still hope.


- Mike KB3EIA -

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

I'm not claiming "hostile action" experience in the military. :-)

"Jeff, you've never been under Incoming, have you? While
trying to get return artillery support on a radio while your
ears, your whole body is numbed by HE infall on your
position? Most folks in that position don't wet their
pants...every sphincter tightens up, ears go deaf, eyes
close tight, and every breath may be the last."

--Len Anderson, 2000


:-)


Oh yes, the classic "sphincter post". You shoulda posted the whole thing, Dave
- it was classic how Len tore into Jeff/KH6O's recollection of experiences in
big-time radio. (If running 500 kHz at NPM, handling all sorts of traffic,
weather and SOS operations wasn't big-time radio, nothing was).

Len's view is that no one else has ever handled high volume radio
traffic; no one else has ever used high power equipment. There are some
hams who can come near, some who can equal and some who can exceed his
experience *and* who are radio amateurs as well. Some don't care for
morse code. Some use it at times. Some use it quite often. Some use
it exclusively.

Well, you aren't *exactly* claiming it. You described the terror of
being under incoming artillery without explaining that you'd never
actually been under any. Perhaps you should have ended that now famous
paragraph with "...or so I've been told".

Come to think of it, that spiffy illustration sort of parallels your
amateur radio experience, doesn't it?

How many minutes flying time were you from death by Soviet Bears were
you?

You mean the plane which did not even enter service until Len was long gone
from Japan?

Yep, that one. That was another which should have ended with, "or so
I've been told".

Len don't know but he's been told
Ten-Tec gear is made of gold
If he tempts the Russian bear
He'll have to change his underwear

Dave K8MN

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


I believe so. I have always tried to keep the tone civil, and yet that
seems to anger him. I have been known to point out when his reply to
something makes no sense to me, but perhaps that is my own stupidity,
no? Yet he is angry with me.

"Anger?" None. Coslo doesn't understand that "discussion" requires
understanding that opposite opinions are neither "stupidity,"
"ignorance," or behavior equivalent to the Antichrist.

If Coslo wants love and admiration for his viewpoints, he ought ot seek
out a private forum where all Think Alike, sharing the same opinions,
whether or not those opinions were brainwashed into them or arrived
at by group agreement.

Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever
reason he thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

heh heh heh heh

The above is what Coslo condones as "rational discourse?" :-)

Of course it is. If said by a PCTA extra, it is most acceptible.

If said by an NCTA, it would be subject to many an angry posting
from all the PCTA in here (there's only a few, but they are
aggressively hostile whether civil in manner or not).

It *is* sad. I think that Lenover21 has much to offer, and yet ends up
alienating those that may be able to benefit by what he has to offer.

Oh, my. How condescending can Coslo become?

Poor baby.

Tsk. Consider the many years of morse propaganda under the
"officialdom" of the "leadership" membership organization about
amateur radio...and their faithful followers (a minority) with ten
kinds of condescension of all who didn't love, honor, and obey
morse code.

Did all those faithful followers, united in morsemanship, "have
so much to offer?"

Of course they did. They said so. Even as we view the screen
there are thousands of mighty macho morsemen waiting to come
to the aid of their country, saving all through their wonderful skill
at morse code!

In their dreams, of course. :-)

Coslo makes a grandeloquent - but condescending - blabber on
"having much to offer!" :-)

Has Coslo anything to "offer?" :-)

What will Coslo return in compensation for being "offered" anything?

His good will and appreciation? Acceptance into the group by a
self-perceived chieftan descended from gods of amateur radio?

Tsk. Coslo needs an olfactory exam. He (and others) have long
been "peeing in the pool" and now they complain about the odor!

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

I'm not claiming "hostile action" experience in the military. :-)

"Jeff, you've never been under Incoming, have you? While
trying to get return artillery support on a radio while your
ears, your whole body is numbed by HE infall on your
position? Most folks in that position don't wet their
pants...every sphincter tightens up, ears go deaf, eyes
close tight, and every breath may be the last."

--Len Anderson, 2000


:-)


Oh yes, the classic "sphincter post". You shoulda posted the whole thing,
Dave
- it was classic how Len tore into Jeff/KH6O's recollection of experiences in
big-time radio. (If running 500 kHz at NPM, handling all sorts of traffic,
weather and SOS operations wasn't big-time radio, nothing was).

It should be mentioned that the NPM mentioned above was the Coast
Guard (military) station in Hawaii, smack dab in the biggest ocean on
Earth. Big-time squared. Of course the operation used Morse Code in a
big way - and not in the 1930s, either, but about a half-century
later.

So of course Len had to denigrate and disrespect such operation.

Len's view is that no one else has ever handled high volume radio
traffic; no one else has ever used high power equipment.

Naw, it's simpler than that: Len hates Morse Code, he hates most of
ham radio, particularly the traditional parts, and wants to see it
wiped out or transmogrified into something very different from what
you and I think of as ham radio.

There are some
hams who can come near, some who can equal and some who can exceed his
experience *and* who are radio amateurs as well. Some don't care for
morse code. Some use it at times. Some use it quite often. Some use
it exclusively.

Of course. But that's not the point.

Well, you aren't *exactly* claiming it. You described the terror of
being under incoming artillery without explaining that you'd never
actually been under any. Perhaps you should have ended that now famous
paragraph with "...or so I've been told".

Come to think of it, that spiffy illustration sort of parallels your
amateur radio experience, doesn't it?

How many minutes flying time were you from death by Soviet Bears were
you?

You mean the plane which did not even enter service until Len was long gone
from Japan?

Yep, that one. That was another which should have ended with, "or so
I've been told".

Not really. Nobody back then would have told him such stories.

Len wrote that it was about 500 miles from air bases in North Korea
and the USSR to where he was. Described it as about an hour flight
time. Mentioned the "Bear" specifically, which the Rooskies know as
the TU-95.

What wasn't mentioned was that the distances are actually over 660
miles. Also unmentioned was that the Bear/TU-95 didn't enter
production until 1956 and didn't enter service with the USSR's air
force until 1957.

All of this was pointed out in a post:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

which did not get a very nice reception from Len.

Mr. Burke also chimed in, describing the source of the distances as "a
gas station map" despite the fact that it was US Army issue, and used
in combat over Japan. (7th Air Force, B-24 navigator's map - I have a
few of them).

Len don't know but he's been told
Ten-Tec gear is made of gold
If he tempts the Russian bear
He'll have to change his underwear

Doesn't matter if it's made by Ten Tec, Yaesu, Icom, Elecraft, or even
Southgate Radio, if it's used for Morse Code operation on the ham
bands, you can bet Len will make fun of it.

So predictable.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:


Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.


Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.


Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?


You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.


Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)


Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass him.


Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.


This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was HIS
education that carried the day.

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.



Now this ia a bizarre conclusion. I do not condone violence against
anyone.


But you made no comment on his implied threats.

Nor I to you on your's to Dan Jeswald. That's between you and Steve,
and you and Dan. Making threats is bad and makes for bad karma.

Why do you want to dictate the content of my postings? Want to be the
moderator?


No threats were made. (By me, anyway...) Of course Lennie's quick to
want to be the victim, and to absolve himself of the fact that his antics and
behaviour here invoke that kind of mischeviousness in others.


Tsk. If you want to think someone who works Frenchmen out of band
on 6m is "correct," then feel free...

Thanks for the chuckle. I *really* didn't expect that! 8^)


How many Frenchmen has Lennie worked?

And did DAVE operate illegally?


But, you've never been in the military, don't know what "live fire" is
about (from weaponry, that is).

I've served my country for a lot longer than you ever did.

You are being very irrelevant now.


Tsk. Another "hostile action" hero claiming what? :-)

No hostile actions.


Sounds very rank to me...

and no rank.


Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge", and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

The above, of course, proves him to once again lying, but then hey, after
the first 20 or 30, who could keep track?


They've managed to create the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
(ARS) that keeps trying to recapture the "pioneering days" of a past
that existed before they were born. [they get very angry if one
doesn't respect their meeting 1934 standards and practices in the
year 2004]

any more?


The only one here, of course, who is trying to deamnd stagnation at any
point is Lennie himself. His entire world pivots around 1950's era Japan and
his "career" as a radio mechanic at ADA.

None of us who have been licensed more than 3 years has any doubts about
the changes that occur frequently in our Regulations.

Leonard is AGAIN lying. Or even worse...fantasizing.


I've had a full career in radio-electronics and am happy for the

experience.

[not to mention monetarily independent] Never once in a half century
have I been required to learn or use morse code for any communications
purpose...nor even have to obtain an amateur license in order to show
"interest in radio." Hi hi.

Oh good, we're going on another side trip. It is good to hear a success
story. Hopefully you give thanks for every day that you don't have to
use Morse code... 8^)


Yes...the "side trips" are frequent and colorful for Lennie. Of course he
screwed up by being so "detailed" in one of them...Gave me enough information
to go to afriend of mine whoi was a career engineer at one of the places he
(Lennie) "worked" at...The ensuing conversation was enlightening.


Amateur radio is a hobby. It isn't a job, isn't a guild, isn't a union,
isn't some sort of para-military "service" that is essential for

national

security. It is regulated by a federal agency which does not require a
single agency staffer to have any amateur radio license.

Hobbies are supposed to be fun. I don't see much "fun" in this
particular wading pool...just a bunch of very angry PCTA calling names
and demanding strict adherence to their particular brand of "fun."
Tsk.

The anger is there, and it is real. Perhaps there is some confusion as
to just *who* is feeling the anger.


There's no doubt about who's feeling the anger, Mike. It's not you or I.
We're on thie air every day, enjoying the priviledges bestowed upon us by the
FCC.

Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever reason he
thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:



I believe so. I have always tried to keep the tone civil, and yet that
seems to anger him. I have been known to point out when his reply to
something makes no sense to me, but perhaps that is my own stupidity,
no? Yet he is angry with me.


"Anger?" None.

hmmm. It is possible that you have been so angry for so long that you
aren't aware of it any more.


Coslo doesn't understand that "discussion" requires
understanding that opposite opinions are neither "stupidity,"
"ignorance," or behavior equivalent to the Antichrist.

Thank you for letting me know that. Now that I understand, we need to
talk (cuz I think that is sort of like how you act once in a while).
REspectfully speaking, of course.

If Coslo wants love and admiration for his viewpoints, he ought ot seek
out a private forum where all Think Alike, sharing the same opinions,
whether or not those opinions were brainwashed into them or arrived
at by group agreement.

Nahh, I don't want that. That doesn't seem like much fun at all.


Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever
reason he thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

heh heh heh heh

The above is what Coslo condones as "rational discourse?" :-)

Nahh, I don't condone it. I don't say it either. Are you sure you don't
want to be a moderator? Yahoo groups can be set up that way.


Of course it is. If said by a PCTA extra, it is most acceptible.

If said by an NCTA, it would be subject to many an angry posting
from all the PCTA in here (there's only a few, but they are
aggressively hostile whether civil in manner or not).

I think you really would like to be a moderator. You would be able to
control how people reply to you. That is okay. Some people like that
structured kind of group.

It *is* sad. I think that Lenover21 has much to offer, and yet ends up
alienating those that may be able to benefit by what he has to offer.


Oh, my. How condescending can Coslo become?

But it is still sad.

Poor baby.

Now that is a strange comment!


Tsk. Consider the many years of morse propaganda under the
"officialdom" of the "leadership" membership organization about
amateur radio...and their faithful followers (a minority) with ten
kinds of condescension of all who didn't love, honor, and obey
morse code.

Here we go again! I'd really prefer to hear a radio story instead of a
Morse code one. THe Morse code thing is getting kind of dreary and old,
don't you think?

Did all those faithful followers, united in morsemanship, "have
so much to offer?"

I really do love hearing stories and experience from old timers.

Of course they did. They said so. Even as we view the screen
there are thousands of mighty macho morsemen waiting to come
to the aid of their country, saving all through their wonderful skill
at morse code!

hmmm,

In their dreams, of course. :-)

Coslo makes a grandeloquent - but condescending - blabber on
"having much to offer!" :-)

Gee, if I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry.

Has Coslo anything to "offer?" :-)

Quite a bit, it would seem.

What will Coslo return in compensation for being "offered" anything?

I can bring cookies. Chocolate chip or Oatmeal raisin?

His good will and appreciation? Acceptance into the group by a
self-perceived chieftan descended from gods of amateur radio?

I don't think that the American Indians believed their chieftains were
descended from the gods of any sort. Of course I could be wrong, and if
anyone wants to correct me, please do.

Or is this one of those little jokes you do, like J-38 Keys on a flag
from the Revolutionary war? That was a good one! 8^)

Tsk. Coslo needs an olfactory exam. He (and others) have long
been "peeing in the pool" and now they complain about the odor!

Did you ever notice the awful smell sometimes after eating asparagus?
So what do you think, is the urine smell imparted by asparagus due to
methyl mercaptan alone, or S-methyl-thioacrylate and
S-methyl-3-(methylthio)thiopropionate, or possibly a combination of
methyl mercaptan, dimethyl sulphide, and small amounts of
sulphur-oxidised compounds?

And how would ya like to be the people that actually research that kind
of stuff. Eeww 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/17/2004 9:54 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

I'm not claiming "hostile action" experience in the military. :-)

"Jeff, you've never been under Incoming, have you? While
trying to get return artillery support on a radio while your
ears, your whole body is numbed by HE infall on your
position? Most folks in that position don't wet their
pants...every sphincter tightens up, ears go deaf, eyes
close tight, and every breath may be the last."

--Len Anderson, 2000


:-)


Oh yes, the classic "sphincter post". You shoulda posted the whole thing,
Dave
- it was classic how Len tore into Jeff/KH6O's recollection of experiences
in
big-time radio. (If running 500 kHz at NPM, handling all sorts of traffic,
weather and SOS operations wasn't big-time radio, nothing was).

Len's view is that no one else has ever handled high volume radio
traffic; no one else has ever used high power equipment. There are some
hams who can come near, some who can equal and some who can exceed his
experience *and* who are radio amateurs as well. Some don't care for
morse code. Some use it at times. Some use it quite often. Some use
it exclusively.

Well, you aren't *exactly* claiming it. You described the terror of
being under incoming artillery without explaining that you'd never
actually been under any. Perhaps you should have ended that now famous
paragraph with "...or so I've been told".

Come to think of it, that spiffy illustration sort of parallels your
amateur radio experience, doesn't it?

How many minutes flying time were you from death by Soviet Bears were
you?

You mean the plane which did not even enter service until Len was long gone
from Japan?

Yep, that one. That was another which should have ended with, "or so
I've been told".

Lennie's whole life is a series of "so I've been tolds"...

Len don't know but he's been told
Ten-Tec gear is made of gold
If he tempts the Russian bear
He'll have to change his underwear

Wonder how Sir Creepieness will try to worm his way out from under yet
more embarrassments uttered from his own keyboard and truned against him...?!?!

Nice job, guys.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:32 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Who peed in the pool

Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever
reason he
thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

It *is* sad. I think that Lenover21 has much to offer, and yet ends up
alienating those that may be able to benefit by what he has to offer.

But there is still time, and there is still hope.

I used to think so, Mike...

At one time, I just thought Lennie was playing "Devil's Advocate".

Nope. He's just a creep.

When someone uses CBers as the example against what we should NOT want in
Amateur Radio, I just redirect them to some of Lennie's posts and say "See, it
CAN be a lot worse!"

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:



I believe so. I have always tried to keep the tone civil, and yet that
seems to anger him. I have been known to point out when his reply to
something makes no sense to me, but perhaps that is my own stupidity,
no? Yet he is angry with me.


"Anger?" None.

hmmm. It is possible that you have been so angry for so long that you
aren't aware of it any more.


Coslo doesn't understand that "discussion" requires
understanding that opposite opinions are neither "stupidity,"
"ignorance," or behavior equivalent to the Antichrist.

Thank you for letting me know that. Now that I understand, we need to
talk (cuz I think that is sort of like how you act once in a while).
REspectfully speaking, of course.

If Coslo wants love and admiration for his viewpoints, he ought ot seek
out a private forum where all Think Alike, sharing the same opinions,
whether or not those opinions were brainwashed into them or arrived
at by group agreement.

Nahh, I don't want that. That doesn't seem like much fun at all.


Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever
reason he thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

heh heh heh heh

The above is what Coslo condones as "rational discourse?" :-)

Nahh, I don't condone it. I don't say it either. Are you sure you don't

want to be a moderator? Yahoo groups can be set up that way.


Of course it is. If said by a PCTA extra, it is most acceptible.

If said by an NCTA, it would be subject to many an angry posting
from all the PCTA in here (there's only a few, but they are
aggressively hostile whether civil in manner or not).

I think you really would like to be a moderator. You would be able to
control how people reply to you. That is okay. Some people like that
structured kind of group.

It *is* sad. I think that Lenover21 has much to offer, and yet ends up
alienating those that may be able to benefit by what he has to offer.


Oh, my. How condescending can Coslo become?

But it is still sad.

Poor baby.

Now that is a strange comment!


Tsk. Consider the many years of morse propaganda under the
"officialdom" of the "leadership" membership organization about
amateur radio...and their faithful followers (a minority) with ten
kinds of condescension of all who didn't love, honor, and obey
morse code.

Here we go again! I'd really prefer to hear a radio story instead of a
Morse code one. THe Morse code thing is getting kind of dreary and old,
don't you think?

Did all those faithful followers, united in morsemanship, "have
so much to offer?"

I really do love hearing stories and experience from old timers.

Of course they did. They said so. Even as we view the screen
there are thousands of mighty macho morsemen waiting to come
to the aid of their country, saving all through their wonderful skill
at morse code!

hmmm,

In their dreams, of course. :-)

Coslo makes a grandeloquent - but condescending - blabber on
"having much to offer!" :-)

Gee, if I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry.

Has Coslo anything to "offer?" :-)

Quite a bit, it would seem.

What will Coslo return in compensation for being "offered" anything?

I can bring cookies. Chocolate chip or Oatmeal raisin?

His good will and appreciation? Acceptance into the group by a
self-perceived chieftan descended from gods of amateur radio?

I don't think that the American Indians believed their chieftains were
descended from the gods of any sort. Of course I could be wrong, and if
anyone wants to correct me, please do.

Or is this one of those little jokes you do, like J-38 Keys on a flag
from the Revolutionary war? That was a good one! 8^)

Tsk. Coslo needs an olfactory exam. He (and others) have long
been "peeing in the pool" and now they complain about the odor!

Did you ever notice the awful smell sometimes after eating asparagus?
So what do you think, is the urine smell imparted by asparagus due to
methyl mercaptan alone, or S-methyl-thioacrylate and
S-methyl-3-(methylthio)thiopropionate, or possibly a combination of
methyl mercaptan, dimethyl sulphide, and small amounts of
sulphur-oxidised compounds?

And how would ya like to be the people that actually research that kind

of stuff. Eeww 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:


Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.


Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.


Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?


You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he wrote
as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.


Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)


Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass him.


Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.


This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS
education that carried the day.

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's

check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.

Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.

To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be unthinkable.
ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.

I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.

So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier

by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather you
slap him around a bit than shake his hand.

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing 1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD be
in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than what
he is now...bitter and angry.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:
[snip] But
I had the QSO! And some time later, the special QSL - for the first and so
far
only 160 meter QSO from N2EY.

I sold the fixed-up Viking 2 and VFO a year or two later, and moved away
from
that QTH in 1999. Someday I'll get back on 160.


Although I've only managed US stations, try the ARRL 160 meter contest in
January. All I've ever been able to put up for it is a random wire about 6
feet off the ground but have managed to work Texas to Maine from here in
Michigan.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?

hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.

Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.

Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.

Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?

You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.

Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.

3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)

Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass
him.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.

This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS education that carried the day.

If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.

A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying "He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.

Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.

Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering school
and into a successful EE career. Introduced me to a lot of good friends. Showed
me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?

To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.

His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level. Can't you see that's what he wants?

ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.

Then point out the errors without the name calling.

I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.

When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.

So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober...."

Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.

He resists them because admitting them would spoil his game.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather
you slap him around a bit than shake his hand.

Of course. Now think what his real purpose could be. Here's a hint: It's not
about making amateur radio better or advancing it

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

That's been misproven repeatedly. Just google up the famous "sphincters post",
where he berated and denigrated a US Coast Guard radio operator for his
recollections of his duties at NPM.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Agreed 100%

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing 1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".

Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be
in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than
what
he is now...bitter and angry.

What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Len Over 21 wrote:



Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"


Not a good reply, Coslo.


Nor a good explanation.



Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.



Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"


What are you talking about?


You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.



Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)


nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)


You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)


So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)



Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass

him.


Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.


It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.



This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS education that carried the day.


If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?


Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.


As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?


If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.


I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.


A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying "He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.


Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.


Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering school
and into a successful EE career. Introduced me to a lot of good friends. Showed
me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?


To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.


His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level. Can't you see that's what he wants?


ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.


Then point out the errors without the name calling.


I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.


When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.


So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.


Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober...."

No. good guess, but that was an exchange he had with Bessie Braddock, a
House of Commons member from Liverpool.

His exchange with Lady Astor came after a weekend of arguing with her
while at the Astor mansion. During the pouring of coffee at one point,
she said:

"Winston, if I were your wife, I'd put poison in your coffee."

"Nancy," Churchill replied, "if I were your husband, I'd drink it."



Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.


He resists them because admitting them would spoil his game.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather
you slap him around a bit than shake his hand.


Of course. Now think what his real purpose could be. Here's a hint: It's not
about making amateur radio better or advancing it

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.


That's been misproven repeatedly. Just google up the famous "sphincters post",
where he berated and denigrated a US Coast Guard radio operator for his
recollections of his duties at NPM.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Agreed 100%

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing 1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".


Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...


That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than
what he is now...bitter and angry.


What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense of
being in harmony with the world, tho'!

- Mike KB3EIA -

William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?

hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.

Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"

Not a good reply, Coslo.

Nor a good explanation.

Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.

Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes longer to
heal as time marches on.

Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"

What are you talking about?

You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.

Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)

nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.

3.2 stuff? :-)

You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)

So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)

Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass him.

Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.

It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.

This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it was
HIS education that carried the day.

If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?

Because Steve lies, and Steve has a mission, and Steve is nuts.

Like the guy in the movie, Acropolis Now, he was lying on his back in
a hoe house, the ceiling fan started to look like a rotary wing
propellor, then he says, "I asked for a mission, and for my sins, they
gave me one."

No "hi, hi" on that one.

Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.

As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?

%#$%&**@!!!

You actually asked such a question???

That was me that asked such a question.

If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.

I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.

A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying "He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Works EVERY time!

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

Poor Mike. Supports Steve. Get's blasted.

No poor Mike. Getting "blasted" by Lenover21 is just part of posting here.

Whatsa nice guy to do? "Steve's not such a bad sort, I mean he never
called me a homo or a pedo, and he never threatened my wife or
kids..."

Yaknow, with all due respect, Brian, if you believe that your family
has been threatened, print out the offending email, and take it to your
DA. If he or she finds it to be credible and have merit, then
appropriate action will be taken.

Or you could file papers that would prevent him from ever communicating
with you in any form.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.

And plays dirty?

As a Captain, it is part of my job to stay cool. And if you don't have
that ability, you aren't going to make it as one, because out on the
ice, there are a lot of people who would like for you to freak out. A
lot of them actually play and act in a style similar to Lenover21 and
your own. (two different styles to be sure) I'll be called names,
bumped, speared, whacked and punched.

And I have helped other players to take penalties at critical stages of
the game, simply by skating up to them during the play, and asking them
how far they think they would fly if I checked them, or simply tap my
hockey stick against their skates. Even the occasional skateing of a
tight circle around someone. Sometimes I tell them I don't think they
have the power to knock a big guy like me over. Those who are prone to
flying off the handle will do it. I've picked myself up off the ice many
times, to find my team up by a man in a crucial part of the game.

And that is not playing dirty.

Of course, I do play a physical game. Sometimes that player finds out
how far he flies when I check them! ;^)

Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.

Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering school
and into a successful EE career.


Holey Moley! You're a real engineer? Got any land surveying under
your belt?

Could you explain just what you mean by that? Jim is an EE, and not a
surveyor. I don't get it.

Introduced me to a lot of good friends. Showed

me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?


So much so that you kill file him? Can't imagine it!


To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.

His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level.


Absolutely. And Jim's "Dr. Fill" persona isn't nearly enough to work
on Steve's psychophenomenon.


Can't you see that's what he wants?


Everyone but Steve sees it!!!

Doesn't that clue you in the least???

Sorry Han's, Steve IS Controlled by Len!

Hi, hi!

The three of you control each other. All of you get what you are
looking for.


ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.

Then point out the errors without the name calling.


In-friggin-possible!!!


I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.

When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.


Hellooooooooo?????????

Steve's just lucky that Len doesn't pick up the phone!!!


So you guys have a relationship. It's a pretty strange one, made easier
by Netnews, but this sort of thing has existed for a long time. It's the
old Winston Churchhill/Lady Astor thing. They traded barbs with each
other, and I have to believe they enjoyed it.

Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober...."


That was mean.

Wrong quote too! And wrong person


And Steve is crazy. Tomorrow, Steve will still be
crazy, Lady Astor will still be ugly, and Len will still be laughing
at you guys.

Lady Astor was most certainly *not* ugly

http://www.jssgallery.org/Paintings/Lady_Astor.htm


- Mike KB3EIA -

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:32 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool


Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever

reason he

thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

It *is* sad. I think that Lenover21 has much to offer, and yet ends up
alienating those that may be able to benefit by what he has to offer.

But there is still time, and there is still hope.


I used to think so, Mike...

At one time, I just thought Lennie was playing "Devil's Advocate".

Nope. He's just a creep.

When someone uses CBers as the example against what we should NOT want in
Amateur Radio, I just redirect them to some of Lennie's posts and say "See, it
CAN be a lot worse!"

You see, everyone has a purpose. Sometimes it is to serve as a warning
to others.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Was it Lady Astor who said to Sir Winston:

"My good sir, I do believe you are drunk!"

"Yes, m'lady, I am. And you are quite ugly. But tomorrow I will be
sober...."

No. good guess, but that was an exchange he had with Bessie Braddock, a
House of Commons member from Liverpool.

HAW! Thanks Mike!

His exchange with Lady Astor came after a weekend of arguing with her
while at the Astor mansion. During the pouring of coffee at one point,
she said:

"Winston, if I were your wife, I'd put poison in your coffee."

"Nancy," Churchill replied, "if I were your husband, I'd drink it."

Even better!

Now how about this one:

He was in some enormous hall or other (House of Commons?) and someone remarked
that he was reputed to have drunk enough liquor in his life thus far to fill
the hall to its first balcony level.

Sir Winston looked around slowly, taking in the majestic ceiling far above, and
said quietly: "So much more to do, so little time..."

Why Lenover21 resists my suggestions that this is what is going on is
beyond me. It is no insult, its just how things go sometimes.

He resists them because admitting them would spoil his game.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

He resists a lot. Common sense. Civility. Friendship. He'd rather
you slap him around a bit than shake his hand.

Of course. Now think what his real purpose could be. Here's a hint: It's
not about making amateur radio better or advancing it

Lennie loves to berate othrs for "assuming", "rank and priviledge",
and
swears he does NOT berate others for thier services regardless.

That's been misproven repeatedly. Just google up the famous "sphincters
post",
where he berated and denigrated a US Coast Guard radio operator for his
recollections of his duties at NPM.

I do not have now, and I never did have any military rank. That needs
to be clear. But there are more ways than that of serving your country.

Agreed 100%

Absolutely.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing
1.2 million messages at ADA in 1953".

Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other
than what he is now...bitter and angry.

What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense of
being in harmony with the world, tho'!

You do have a point. And upon reflection, Len often comes across as very angry.
Then he denies it, which proves the point.

OTOH, some people *like* being angry. Makes them feel alive, to rant at others
and tell them a thing or two. Sounds odd but I've known people like that -
they're not really happy unless they're yelling and fighting.

I'd rather be contemplating the beauty and wonder of our world and universe.
Like the aforementioned Ms. Klum.....

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:


Now EPA to PAC on 40 may not be DX to some, but back then it was the first
Hawaiian I'd ever heard on that band. He was way down in the noise and all I
had was the Type 6's 100 watts and the dipole. He was working 6's and 7's, and
my calls went unanswered. I tried moving up a little and down a little - no
soap. But he was soon working 8's and 9's, so maybe there was a chance.

I really enjoyed my first PAC, I know what you mean.


And the generator ran out of gas, sputtered and stopped. The lights on the rig
faded and the control relays buzzed and dropped out. But I had the contact!

argg, I feel your pain, Jim!

snip

Or how about this one:

I knew from previous nights that they'd spend a half-hour trying to work EU,
then go back to work NA stations. So I set the VFO right on their freq, and
when I heard "NW QRV NA DE W1BCG" I was first in line. Right back they came:
"N2EY DE W1BCG"! A quick exchange, 73s, and then the pack descended again. But
I had the QSO! And some time later, the special QSL - for the first and so far
only 160 meter QSO from N2EY.

I sold the fixed-up Viking 2 and VFO a year or two later, and moved away from
that QTH in 1999. Someday I'll get back on 160.


I enjoyed those, Jim. Note that some of our best memories have a certain
amount of frustration built into them.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:

N2EY wrote:

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other than
what he is now...bitter and angry.


What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.

Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense of
being in harmony with the world, tho'!

Len wants to change amateur radio's regs. Len isn't a ham but has
proclaimed a decades long interest in amateur radio. Len has posted
here for years yet he hasn't done anything about actually obtaining an
amateur license. Len says he doesn't want an amateur license.

He takes swipes at the ARRL, hams who would like to see morse continue,
hams who use morse and hams who prefer morse to other modes. He
ridicules the traditions of amateur radio. He belittles the activities
of hams who participate in emergency communications and traffic
handling.

I think he wants that ham ticket but I think he'd rather die than (I
love this now famous line) "jump through hoops" to obtain one. If that
is his wish, I'm sure he'll have it his way.

Yeah, I think Leonard's world is empty. He doesn't achieve the respect
here which he feels is his due as a former PROFESSIONAL.

For all his toil in presenting his long, increasingly eccentric
material, he has won over a single ardent admirer, "William". I'm sure
he's proud.

Dave K8MN

Mike Coslo wrote:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/17/2004 8:32 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Who peed in the pool


Anderscum is a very bitter, angry and disappointed old man, and he's
intent on taking his inadequacies out on Amateur Radio, for what ever

reason he

thinks we "owe" him that.

He's just pitiful.

It *is* sad. I think that Lenover21 has much to offer, and yet ends up
alienating those that may be able to benefit by what he has to offer.

But there is still time, and there is still hope.


I used to think so, Mike...

At one time, I just thought Lennie was playing "Devil's Advocate".

Nope. He's just a creep.

When someone uses CBers as the example against what we should NOT want in
Amateur Radio, I just redirect them to some of Lennie's posts and say "See, it
CAN be a lot worse!"

You see, everyone has a purpose. Sometimes it is to serve as a warning
to others.

When I think of Len, I'm reminded of a quip from Buddy, W5VSR:

"No man is a total loss. He can always serve as a horrible example".

Dave K8MN

Brian Kelly wrote:

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...





bb

That was really astute Burke, good shot.

Actually, I thought it was one of his more rational posts.

Dave K8MN

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...

I sold the fixed-up Viking 2 and VFO a year or two later, and moved away
from
that QTH in 1999. Someday I'll get back on 160.

I have lots more...

73 de Jim, N2EY

Ask Brian/W3RV about his inverted "L." It's meant for absolutely
every situation and every band. You just can't miss with his antenna.
There's no reason to stay off of 160.

W3RV has helped me with many antenna projects. He has expertise ranging from
large Yagis to simple wire antennas.

The implementation of practical HF antennas for amateur radio is about 95%
mechanical engineering and 5% electrical engineering.

But of course to get anyone's help, it pays to ask in a nice way and actually
listen to/read the information provided.

Time/date/freq pse?

You forgot "mode?"

QSL?

Don't hold yer breath

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

Now EPA to PAC on 40 may not be DX to some, but back then it was the first
Hawaiian I'd ever heard on that band. He was way down in the noise and all
I
had was the Type 6's 100 watts and the dipole. He was working 6's and 7's,
and
my calls went unanswered. I tried moving up a little and down a little - no
soap. But he was soon working 8's and 9's, so maybe there was a chance.

I really enjoyed my first PAC, I know what you mean.

And the generator ran out of gas, sputtered and stopped. The lights on the
rig
faded and the control relays buzzed and dropped out. But I had the contact!

argg, I feel your pain, Jim!

No pain! We were done, the QSO was in both logs, the genset had run just long
enough to do the job.

snip

Or how about this one:

I knew from previous nights that they'd spend a half-hour trying to work
EU,
then go back to work NA stations. So I set the VFO right on their freq,
and
when I heard "NW QRV NA DE W1BCG" I was first in line. Right back they
came:
"N2EY DE W1BCG"! A quick exchange, 73s, and then the pack descended
again. But
I had the QSO! And some time later, the special QSL - for the first and so
far only 160 meter QSO from N2EY.

I sold the fixed-up Viking 2 and VFO a year or two later, and moved away
from that QTH in 1999. Someday I'll get back on 160.

I enjoyed those, Jim. Note that some of our best memories have a certain
amount of frustration built into them.

"If it was easy, anybody could do it"

Here's another:

Even before I was a ham, I was reading QST because a local club had old copies
they'd lend out. One author really captured my imagination - W2LYH, whose
homebrew projects were incredible combinations of ingenuity, skill,
craftsmanship and performance. His 23 tube sectionalized communications
receiver (about 1961) and high-stability Franklin VFO (1971) are "must" reading
for ham homebrewers, just for the ideas presented. I wondered if I'd ever build
such projects, or ever meet Bob. His articles were constant inspiration and
Elmering, but I'd never met him or even heard him on the air.

My homebrew projects have long been designed around parts-on-hand or 'found
objects" rather than ordering new parts from catalogs. (New parts are more
expensive). For example, back in 1978 at the Rochester, NY hamfest a guy was
selling old Heath parts, and I found the one 3395 kHz CW filter in a box of SSB
ones. $5. Built a complete transceiver around that filter - the Southgate Type
6, which entered service about 1984.

About 10 years later, at the Gaithersburg fest, a different guy was selling
xtal filters that looked interesting. They were gray painted boxes with center
frequency of 1.4 MHz and bandwidth of 500 Hz. He only wanted 50 cents each so I
bought four, since he had no tech data on them.

Made some calls and soon had the specs. They were 8 pole filters with really
good numbers - much better than the 4 pole Heath unit. But were the ones I had
any good? Only way to know for sure was to build a receiver and listen to the
things.

So I cobbled together a simple 80 meter CW receiver out of junk box parts. One
of those "schematic in the noggin" things. Scraps of PC board and aluminum made
up the "chassis" and the VFO was from another project, retuned a bit to cover
the needed frequencies. This wasn't a practical receiver, its only purpose was
to check out the filters.

One Sunday night it was done and I started tuning around the band. Lots of good
signals, which is what you need to check out a filter. There was some kind of
contest/QSO party going on, which is the best testbed for new gear anyway. It
was soon clear that the 50 cent filters were really good performers - I should
have bought the whole box! Here was the next project for me - build a
transceiver around these new filters.

The contest turned out to be the SOWP QSO party (Society of Wireless Pioneers)
event, open only to members. Which explained why the signals sounded so good.

I was listening more to how the filters behaved than to what they were saying.
One particular signal was very strong and stable, so I used it to check out
unwanted-sideband rejection, skirt selectivity, etc. Finally I tuned it on the
nose and listened. He signed - W2LYH!

I ran over to the Type 6 and fired up. When he called CQ again I gave him a
buzz. He said he'd work me in a few minutes when the contest was over. It was a
long wait.

When the clock came around he called me and we had a nice long QSO. Yes, Bob
was still using the 23 tube sectionalized receiver and the Franklin VFO. He was
quite tickled to hear that I was a homebrewer and fan of his articles, and that
I'd found him on a homebrew test receiver.

I found out that he'd been both a professional and amateur radio operator for
many years. He was on Long Island because of RCA's installations at Riverhead.
And a lot more adventures. Which explained the SOWP connection, too.

We had many more homebrew-to-homebrew QSOs after that, exchanged QSLs and
letters.Oddly enough, after that initial QSO I ran into him quite often, purely
at random. He won the "Best Fist" award on Straight Key Night many times. He
introduced me to the magazine "Electric Radio", which published a version of
this story. Unfortunately, I never got to meet him, and I found out a while
back that he became a Silent Key in 2000.

RIP R.V. McGraw, W2LYH. One of my Elmers, though I never met him.

73 de Jim, N2EY