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"Mike Coslo" wrote But who will be the first to stop? Steve will post as he is posted to, and the other two in this sad saga will post that way until they are ignored. It's our very own "Middle-east" problem. If they ever make a movie of "A Confederacy of Dunces", the Pulitzer Prize winner by John Kennedy Toole, we shall have to cast... ....Len Anderson as Ignatius J. Reilly ....Steve Robeson as Patrolman Mancuso ....Brian Burke as Darlene, the wannabe stripper. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting? From: Mike Coslo Date: 9/22/2004 7:42 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Jimmie chastise nursie? Har! The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. "Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up. It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you were the moderator. I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum. Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting. I couldn't agree more! The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons. Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I probably should have put a smiley after that. He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the very same "rules" he would impose on others... I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the person's motives. Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar. Now that tells us much. If you had been to one of those, then you do not need to be "told" about it. It is self-evident. Merely observe. That's all that's necessary. A buncha guys, and sometimes gals. People put back a few. Some are great folk, some are obnoxious. A microcosm of life. I have no interest in that sort of thing, but it's harmless enough as long as they don't drive off half-tanked. If you haven't been to a fraternal order hall with bar, then think of a conclave of PCTA self-described wire-pullers and add some alky. Same thing. Don't hate, man. C'mon Mike...Don't expect miracles. hehe, I'm just a cockeyed, hockey puck optimist! 8^) OBEY them. The PCTA extras RULE! Hi hi. Since when? And what do they rule anyhow? Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. Protestations to the contrary, Mike, just about all of us in the "pro code" camp have expressed and discussed other modes, activities and interests. Yup! Lennie keeps dragging that old, tired rhetoric of his around and tries to wave it like a tattered old battle flag. I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories with the historical aspect. Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not true. But it makes him happy to wave it. Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are. that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the (probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be? If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication, including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist with each other. Not in Lennie's world. Thank God it goes no farther than his own, sad and beleagured mind. That should end any "dispute." The PCTA get what they want. The name is readjusted to what it had become in testing. Amateur radio is just another hobby involving electronics. There are dozens-plus hobbies involving electronics and that is where the electronics-interested hobbyists have gone. Most of those non-ham hobbyists don't give a damn about morse code or recreating some "pioneer days" re-enactments through constantly re-living olden days that were around before most hams of today were born. I guess history must be bad, huh? Of course it is. UNLESS, of course, you are a one-tour-wonder Army radio mechanic from 1953. Then the tale warrants retelling at every opportunity. I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details. There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. Not all readers have "seen that". I, for one, have publically stated (and do so again here) that although I support Morse code use AND testing, it's time is passing and it's time to move on. Of course Lennie ignores this (and similar comments from other posters of similar thought) and goes right on with his assertions about how allegedly reluctant any one is to discuss anything else. Even more ironic is that when we DO discuss anything else, Lennie or Brian do thier best to pull the thread into yet another "PCTA Extras Destroying The Radio World" rant. Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer. There's lots of folks who MIGHT have come in here and made their opinions known on issues...but are hesitant to not wanting to be called nasty names by those same PCTA extras. That's the "rule" part...rule by intimidation, intimidation by any manner. At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^) Uh huh. Betchya I could sell you a bride in New York, too, Mike...?!?! Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names, or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or otherwise denigrated others? Oh..... yes.......I guess they have... For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks, zero discussion. hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. The "diss and cuss" comes from being "dissed" and "cussed" by certain non-Amateur aggitators. One in particular. - Mike KB3EIA - |
KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote But who will be the first to stop? Steve will post as he is posted to, and the other two in this sad saga will post that way until they are ignored. It's our very own "Middle-east" problem. If they ever make a movie of "A Confederacy of Dunces", the Pulitzer Prize winner by John Kennedy Toole, we shall have to cast... ...Len Anderson as Ignatius J. Reilly ...Steve Robeson as Patrolman Mancuso ...Brian Burke as Darlene, the wannabe stripper. HOWL! Thanks, I needed that today!!! - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: [snip] Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. As am I. [snip] There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. As do I. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: [snip] Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. As am I. [snip] There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. As do I. I see a trend here, Dee. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Jimmie chastise nursie? Har! The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. "Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up. It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you were the moderator. I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum. Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting. I couldn't agree more! Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying nothing against their egregious conduct? Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. Yet you've bought into the morsemanship-is-all ethos and condone the polluters. Please don't try to use political spin on what you've posted. You aren't in the political pro leagues yet...they've had centuries to perfect spin and are good at it. Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are. that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the (probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be? Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo. No one is "oppressing" me. I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium. PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident from their public statements) by intimidation, personal insults, or whatever means they can use...which includes considerable fantasy and wild imaginations on their parts. I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long after their validity has expired. If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication, including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist with each other. Irrelevant reasons. The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations, absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions below 30 MHz. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc., etc. operating below 30 MHz. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz. A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army Signal Corps). Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes] A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through- put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band- width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM, then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio. A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international communications. GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance. The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild- fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide. Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100 million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios to access the telephone infrastructure. All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations) have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required. Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time. I guess history must be bad, huh? For U.S. amateur radio in comparison to the rest of the radio world, it IS "bad." "Bad" in that it lags far beyond the state of the radio art...supported only by the radio designers and manufacturers using developments from the rest of radio to modernize amateur transceivers so that they can best "work" on-off keyed carriers a la the 1920s. There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. That is a given. You must support your klan. I do hope you use fitted sheets. At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^) Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult." PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily. For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks, zero discussion. hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. NOT in here, according to the little clique of PCTA "regulars." ALL must do as they had to do...or be silent. "They rule." They try to enforce their rule by any means possible, usually that of the personal insult against anyone differing from their exhalted opinion. Tsk. Not conducive to a hobby activity. More conducive to a dictatorship. |
"Len Over 21" wrote A better analogue would be Tennessee Williams' play "Cat on a Tin Roof." That better suits your purpose, Big Daddy. That's exactly what Ignatius J. Reilly would have said, right down to the ignorance about the name of the play*. Sunuvagun! With all kind wishes, de Hans, K0HB *The Tennessee Williams play was entitled "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof". |
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: [snip] Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. As am I. [snip] There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. As do I. Two. "Strike twooooooo..." :-) |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons. Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I probably should have put a smiley after that. Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy, don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the absurdity of it all. He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the very same "rules" he would impose on others... I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the person's motives. My "motive" in here is to advocate the removal of the code test for any radio operator license. If you must question "motives," then question all those who demand to keep the code test long after it has served any purpose. I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories with the historical aspect. "You can't handle the truth!" - Col. Jessup (before being arrested) The U.S. government hasn't "slacked off" on morse code testing since WRC-03. Test Element 1 is still a test requirement. My last "operating involvement" with HF radio came earlier this year. I used a small (some say "tiny") 20 W SSB HF transceiver that many radio amateurs have purchased for themselves. I was not operating in any amateur bands. Radio amateurs whose only exposure to "radio" is in amateurdom will want to ridicule and denigrate non-amateur radio operation. That's a psychological survival trait to overcome their own ignorance and lack of experience. Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not true. But it makes him happy to wave it. Tsk. An illustration of my point by another... I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details. In this environment such is wasted effort. There is a considerable body of knowledge and history compiled about all of radio. Very little of it concerns amateur radio, which makes some of the amateur radio lifestylers very angry. Those lifestylers were never in that part of the radio world and want to shut their eyes and ears to it. Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer. PCTA extras can only offer braggadoccio about their "operating skills" and their disgust at those who don't venerate them. Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names, or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or otherwise denigrated others? Oh..... yes.......I guess they have... Only after prolonged exposure to those who yell and yell against all those who don't agree with them. Unfortunately, the PCTA extras in here are so thin-skinned they cannot abide opposition of the slightest kind. Their problem. The question (in my opinion) that should be surfacing is: Why is there such a prolonged talk about "how good and noble" are the PCTA extras and "how band and wrong" are the NCTA? Time marches on, but few march to the beat of the CQ in morse these days. The morse code test has long since outlived its usefulness. There is NO validity in keeping it around just because some middle-aged wannabes had to do it over 30 years ago. None at all. |
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