Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
 

Hmmmmmmmmm.......

Just came back from a 2 day out-of-town assignment to find 126 RRAP
messages pending.

When I did the math on the one's that WEREN'T in the filter file, over 70
of the posts were from one of three posters...WA8ULX, Lennie or Brain. Theya re
the only three I have filered. That way I can read the meaningful stuff first.

WA8ULX was NOT in any of the posts, except by mention of another.

That put all 72 in the laps of Lennie and Brain.

Why do I make mention of this?

Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his flagrant,
frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant", "Mama Dee" and
others.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help yourself,
you have to respond...".

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any doubts.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Hmmmmmmmmm.......

Just came back from a 2 day out-of-town assignment to find 126 RRAP
messages pending.

When I did the math on the one's that WEREN'T in the filter file, over
70
of the posts were from one of three posters...WA8ULX, Lennie or Brain. Theya
re
the only three I have filered. That way I can read the meaningful stuff
first.

WA8ULX was NOT in any of the posts, except by mention of another.

That put all 72 in the laps of Lennie and Brain.

Why do I make mention of this?

Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant,
frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant", "Mama Dee" and
others.

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different names Len has
made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or "N2EY",
even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

But Len and Biran get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game, really.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/16/2004 5:14 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different names Len
has
made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or
"N2EY",
even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

I can call you Jim. Doesn't matter because you don't like my message.

But Len and Biran get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game,
really.

Ahem, that's "Brian." And we don't "get him to call us" anything.
Steve does so on the free volition of any number of his various
personalities.

Oh, I have no "various personalities", Brian.

Just K4YZ. Not any one of several different screen names or
nomme-de-guerre, such as yourself, Brian.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

Please do. It'll be a first.

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

I can be Quiteobjective. Try me with some rational discourse.

More like "Quiteobjectionable", Brian.

And try the "rational discourse" yourself. Start with some validation of
your "Unlicensed services play a major role in emergency comms" assertion.

Steve, K4YZ

Another classic example of how pure democracy doesn't work because there're
so many idiots (greek for 'non-officeholder) out there...for what it (isn't)
worth...

LJD
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/16/2004 5:14 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different names
Len
has
made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or
"N2EY",
even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

I can call you Jim. Doesn't matter because you don't like my message.

But Len and Biran get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game,
really.

Ahem, that's "Brian." And we don't "get him to call us" anything.
Steve does so on the free volition of any number of his various
personalities.

Oh, I have no "various personalities", Brian.

Just K4YZ. Not any one of several different screen names or
nomme-de-guerre, such as yourself, Brian.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

Please do. It'll be a first.

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

I can be Quiteobjective. Try me with some rational discourse.

More like "Quiteobjectionable", Brian.

And try the "rational discourse" yourself. Start with some
validation of
your "Unlicensed services play a major role in emergency comms" assertion.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different names Len
has
made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or
"N2EY",
even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

I can call you Jim. Doesn't matter because you don't like my message.

But Len and Biran get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game,
really.

Ahem, that's "Brian." And we don't "get him to call us" anything.
Steve does so on the free volition of any number of his various
personalities.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

Please do. It'll be a first.

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

I can be Quiteobjective. Try me with some rational discourse.

The PCTA's only "game" is that they've lost at validity of keeping
a morse code test and try to "get back" at NCTA using all manner
of personal insults and denigrations.

"Rational discourse" to the PCTA means having to like morse
code...anyplace, anytime.

Speak the least thing negative about morse code and the PCTA
immediately go ballistic, holler and shout that NCTA are
"insulting their honor" (or whatever they bitch about du jour).

Boils down to that in here.

Seems to me that the PCTA code lovers should be on their radios
happily beeping away...instead of sitting at keyboards snarling
nastygrams at any NCTA within sight or hearing. :-)

Hi hi.

Len Over 21 wrote:

Seems to me that the PCTA code lovers should be on their radios
happily beeping away...instead of sitting at keyboards snarling
nastygrams at any NCTA within sight or hearing. :-)

It really doesn't mean diddly squat what it seems to you that radio
amateurs should be doing. You aren't one of them. They can operate or
not. They can use morse code or not. They can post here or not.

You, on the other hand, have little to do but post--what do you call
them--nastygrams?--in a newsgroup dealing with something in which you
play no part. :-)

The tired, old, incontinent California landshark can't help being what
he is. Keep a stiff dorsal fin!

Dave K8MN

William wrote:

I just read a David Heil post where he thinks you shouldn't suggest
anything.

Then you misread it.

But I can recall post after post after post scolding me for
spending my spare time on RRAP rather than with a code practice
oscillator.

Post after post, huh? I think your memory is a bit dim.

These guys are PCTA, and exhibit the PCTA double-standard at every
opportunity.

You've tried to sell this sway-backed horse of a tale for quite some
time.


Dave K8MN

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different names
Len
has
made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or
"N2EY",
even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

I can call you Jim. Doesn't matter because you don't like my message.

But Len and Biran get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game,
really.

Ahem, that's "Brian." And we don't "get him to call us" anything.
Steve does so on the free volition of any number of his various
personalities.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

Please do. It'll be a first.

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

I can be Quiteobjective. Try me with some rational discourse.

The PCTA's only "game" is that they've lost at validity of keeping
a morse code test and try to "get back" at NCTA using all manner
of personal insults and denigrations.

I've seen it.

"Rational discourse" to the PCTA means having to like morse
code...anyplace, anytime.

Speak the least thing negative about morse code and the PCTA
immediately go ballistic, holler and shout that NCTA are
"insulting their honor" (or whatever they bitch about du jour).

Boils down to that in here.

Seems to me that the PCTA code lovers should be on their radios
happily beeping away...instead of sitting at keyboards snarling
nastygrams at any NCTA within sight or hearing. :-)

Hi hi.



I just read a David Heil post where he thinks you shouldn't suggest
anything. But I can recall post after post after post scolding me for
spending my spare time on RRAP rather than with a code practice
oscillator.

Heil is claiming "turf" in here, trying to close off the newsgroup to
all but those He allows in.

Problem is that this is an open forum whether He likes it or not.

He doesn't like it, ergo the usual spew of denigrations to all that
don't think like He. shrug

Following Heilian Rules in amateur radio policy newsgroup posting,
this would turn into a cozy little conclave of PCTA elitists, all
talking about the wonder and magic of morse, giving Newington
boys high-fives for anything, indeed giving each other high-fives
for existing. They would Rule. :-)

Common enough syndrome in pseudo-fraternal orders among
humans. Happens elsewhere.

These guys are PCTA, and exhibit the PCTA double-standard at every
opportunity.

They do NOT see it that way. :-)

Their Way is THE Way. No dissension allowed.

If They had to take a code test for an amateur license, then
everyone has to do it! No dissension allowed.

Dissent from The Way and They wish to lock out all who do so.

These PCTA elitists take their Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
very, very seriously.

Tsk. So much for what could be a fun hobby.

It is their Lifestyle?

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Nah....!

It's just that they are all COMMENSURATE LOOSERS and ASSWIPES
who have no placse else left to go besides Usenet, ever since Hollingsworth
cleaned up the open sewers on 75 and 20 Meters a few years ago.....

Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/17/2004 5:46 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/16/2004 5:14 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different names
Len
has
made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or
"N2EY",
even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

I can call you Jim. Doesn't matter because you don't like my message.

But Len and Biran get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game,
really.

Ahem, that's "Brian." And we don't "get him to call us" anything.
Steve does so on the free volition of any number of his various
personalities.

Oh, I have no "various personalities", Brian.

You must.

Just K4YZ. Not any one of several different screen names or
nomme-de-guerre, such as yourself, Brian.

Who is K4CAP?

Still me. Or was.

K4CAP is just an FCC assigned call sign. It was mine briefly. Until May
of 2005 it can be mine again without waiting 2 years.

It wasn't an alias for me. I still sign my posts "Steve". The
combination of letters and number on FCC Form 660 does not dictate who I am.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

Please do. It'll be a first.

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

I can be Quiteobjective. Try me with some rational discourse.

More like "Quiteobjectionable", Brian.

And try the "rational discourse" yourself. Start with some validation
of
your "Unlicensed services play a major role in emergency comms" assertion.


Steve, K4YZ

I was talking to Jim.

Sorry, Brian. You posted in a public, unmoderated forum.

Your posts are open fare.

Sorry, Steve, but you you've blown it in the rational discourse
department. Try it with someone else.

Sorry, Brian, you've not proven a thing.

You still have unanswered questions vis-a-vis Amateur Radio other there.
We're still waiting and wondering...Will you ever fess up, or was your
admission of never getting DXCC approval for your "T5" operation the only
acknowledgement we'll ever see that your claims are bogus?

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/17/2004 5:46 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/16/2004 5:14 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different names
Len
has
made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or
"N2EY",
even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

I can call you Jim. Doesn't matter because you don't like my message.

But Len and Biran

oops - make that "Brian".

get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game,
really.

Ahem, that's "Brian." And we don't "get him to call us" anything.
Steve does so on the free volition of any number of his various
personalities.

Oh, I have no "various personalities", Brian.

You must.

Just K4YZ. Not any one of several different screen names or
nomme-de-guerre, such as yourself, Brian.

Who is K4CAP?

Still me. Or was.

K4CAP is just an FCC assigned call sign. It was mine briefly. Until
May
of 2005 it can be mine again without waiting 2 years.

And if someone goes to qrz.com and enters "k4cap" they are redirected to
"k4yz". No problem.

It wasn't an alias for me. I still sign my posts "Steve". The
combination of letters and number on FCC Form 660 does not dictate who I am.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

IOW, drop the rope. Prove that Brian and Len need you more than you need them.

Please do. It'll be a first.

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

I can be Quiteobjective. Try me with some rational discourse.

More like "Quiteobjectionable", Brian.

Now see, there you go, feeding the game.

And try the "rational discourse" yourself. Start with some
validation
of
your "Unlicensed services play a major role in emergency comms" assertion.


Steve, K4YZ

I was talking to Jim.

Sorry, Brian. You posted in a public, unmoderated forum.

Your posts are open fare.

The funny part is that I only saw Brian's post when you quoted it. And the idea
that a newsgroup post is directed to just one person and all others should keep
out is hilarious.

Sorry, Steve, but you you've blown it in the rational discourse
department. Try it with someone else.

Sorry, Brian, you've not proven a thing.

You still have unanswered questions vis-a-vis Amateur Radio other there.

We're still waiting and wondering...Will you ever fess up, or was your
admission of never getting DXCC approval for your "T5" operation the only
acknowledgement we'll ever see that your claims are bogus?

What bogus claims, Steve?

Consider this scenario:

Suppose there was a military radio setup in /T5 that could do HF. (I'm sure Len
can write a long missive full of nomenclature and other irrelevancies detailing
what would be in use and how the military doesn't use Morse Code, etc.) Let's
nomenclature this hypothetical HF radio set as "UP/URS-2"

And suppose said radio setup covers 10 meter SSB. (Even a civilian like me
knows that most post WW2 military HF gear covers at least 3-30 MHz).

So Mr. Burke finds himself at or near said radio setup. Of course the main
point-to-point military radio traffic nowadays goes by satellite, with HF as
backup, right? So the UP/URS-2 sits idle most of the time. The comms folks
check it out once in a while just to be sure it works.

Mr. Burke sees all this and asks "Sarge" if he can use it on the ham bands.
"Sarge" says "yeah, sure, lemme make sure the autotuner works up that high". Of
course it does, so T5/N0IMD is on the air and makes a few 10 meter SSB
contacts. Maybe in due course a few QSLs are exchanged with hams in places like
the Ukraine and Lebanon.

No paperwork is ever sent to ARRL - DXCC accreditation is not considered. Only
a few contacts are made and the "mainstream DX community" never hears of the
operation.

All of the above fits with the claims Mr. Burke has made here. Maybe it happned
pretty close to the way I described, maybe not. He won't tell us the details
anyway, so why worry about it?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

I just read a David Heil post where he thinks you shouldn't suggest
anything.

Then you misread it.

But I can recall post after post after post scolding me for
spending my spare time on RRAP rather than with a code practice
oscillator.

Post after post, huh? I think your memory is a bit dim.

These guys are PCTA, and exhibit the PCTA double-standard at every
opportunity.

You've tried to sell this sway-backed horse of a tale for quite some
time.


Dave K8MN

Selling it?

I own it and I'll trot it out whenever I want.

Don't like it? Make it go away! Behave differently. Condemn Steve's outrages.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

I just read a David Heil post where he thinks you shouldn't suggest
anything.

Then you misread it.

But I can recall post after post after post scolding me for
spending my spare time on RRAP rather than with a code practice
oscillator.

Post after post, huh? I think your memory is a bit dim.

These guys are PCTA, and exhibit the PCTA double-standard at every
opportunity.

You've tried to sell this sway-backed horse of a tale for quite some
time.

Selling it?

Yep. You keep looking for a buyer and no one is buying this one any
more than they're buying your laments of post after post of scolding.

I own it and I'll trot it out whenever I want.

It is still sway-backed. You're forced to feed and water it until it
dies or until you persuade someone to buy it.

Don't like it? Make it go away! Behave differently. Condemn Steve's outrages.

Steve's "outrages"? Surely, you of all people can see that nothing
Steve has written here is any worse than the insults you and
Leonard-the-non-ham have tossed his way.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

I just read a David Heil post where he thinks you shouldn't suggest
anything.

Then you misread it.

But I can recall post after post after post scolding me for
spending my spare time on RRAP rather than with a code practice
oscillator.

Post after post, huh? I think your memory is a bit dim.

These guys are PCTA, and exhibit the PCTA double-standard at every
opportunity.

You've tried to sell this sway-backed horse of a tale for quite some
time.

Selling it?

Yep. You keep looking for a buyer and no one is buying this one any
more than they're buying your laments of post after post of scolding.

I'm not selling it, I'm showing it.

I own it and I'll trot it out whenever I want.

It is still sway-backed. You're forced to feed and water it until it
dies or until you persuade someone to buy it.

Even sway-backed horses need their exercise, so I trot it out every
once in a while. Don't want the SPCA to come calling.

Don't like it? Make it go away! Behave differently. Condemn Steve's outrages.

Steve's "outrages"? Surely, you of all people can see that nothing
Steve has written here is any worse than the insults you and
Leonard-the-non-ham have tossed his way.

I guess you think that Len deserves to have his tires slashed and his
wife terrorized?

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

I just read a David Heil post where he thinks you shouldn't suggest
anything.

Then you misread it.

But I can recall post after post after post scolding me for
spending my spare time on RRAP rather than with a code practice
oscillator.

Post after post, huh? I think your memory is a bit dim.

These guys are PCTA, and exhibit the PCTA double-standard at every
opportunity.

You've tried to sell this sway-backed horse of a tale for quite some
time.

Selling it?

Yep. You keep looking for a buyer and no one is buying this one any
more than they're buying your laments of post after post of scolding.

I'm not selling it, I'm showing it.

I own it and I'll trot it out whenever I want.

It is still sway-backed. You're forced to feed and water it until it
dies or until you persuade someone to buy it.

Even sway-backed horses need their exercise, so I trot it out every
once in a while. Don't want the SPCA to come calling.

Watch out, Brian. Nursie has the "professional qualifications" to make
just a simple phone call to have anyone "picked up!"

Hi hi.

Don't like it? Make it go away! Behave differently. Condemn Steve's
outrages.

Steve's "outrages"? Surely, you of all people can see that nothing
Steve has written here is any worse than the insults you and
Leonard-the-non-ham have tossed his way.

I guess you think that Len deserves to have his tires slashed and his
wife terrorized?

Tsk. Nursie thinks so. All she can think of is Fight, Fight, Fight with
physical violence anyone who opposes her Sacred Knowledge of
amateur radio.

Hi hi.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different
names
Len
has
made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or
"N2EY",
even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

I can call you Jim. Doesn't matter because you don't like my message.

But Len and Biran get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game,
really.

It wasn't. But Quitefine is thoroughly convinced of that. :-)


Ahem, that's "Brian." And we don't "get him to call us" anything.
Steve does so on the free volition of any number of his various
personalities.

The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

Please do. It'll be a first.

Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

I can be Quiteobjective. Try me with some rational discourse.

The PCTA's only "game" is that they've lost at validity of keeping
a morse code test and try to "get back" at NCTA using all manner
of personal insults and denigrations.

I've seen it.

"Rational discourse" to the PCTA means having to like morse
code...anyplace, anytime.

Speak the least thing negative about morse code and the PCTA
immediately go ballistic, holler and shout that NCTA are
"insulting their honor" (or whatever they bitch about du jour).

Boils down to that in here.

Seems to me that the PCTA code lovers should be on their radios
happily beeping away...instead of sitting at keyboards snarling
nastygrams at any NCTA within sight or hearing. :-)

Hi hi.



I just read a David Heil post where he thinks you shouldn't suggest
anything. But I can recall post after post after post scolding me for
spending my spare time on RRAP rather than with a code practice
oscillator.

Heil is claiming "turf" in here, trying to close off the newsgroup to
all but those He allows in.

It's beginning to feel like the kitchen in hell over here.

Nah. It's the PCTA extra "hood" they are defending.

Anyone invading their "turf" has to swear a blood oath of "Do Code
or Die!" Hi hi.

Problem is that this is an open forum whether He likes it or not.

Better open the windows more. Don't know how much more heat I can
take.

He doesn't like it, ergo the usual spew of denigrations to all that
don't think like He. shrug

Tell me about it. And have you seen Jim trying to talk some sense
into the loud guy? It isn't working, but it is kind of funny.

Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!

The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.

Following Heilian Rules in amateur radio policy newsgroup posting,
this would turn into a cozy little conclave of PCTA elitists, all
talking about the wonder and magic of morse, giving Newington
boys high-fives for anything, indeed giving each other high-fives
for existing. They would Rule. :-)

Sychophants all?

That's about the size of it. :-)

Common enough syndrome in pseudo-fraternal orders among
humans. Happens elsewhere.

YMCA?

Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full
of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar.

These guys are PCTA, and exhibit the PCTA double-standard at every
opportunity.

They do NOT see it that way. :-)

Their Way is THE Way. No dissension allowed.

If They had to take a code test for an amateur license, then
everyone has to do it! No dissension allowed.

Thank goodness that they didn't have to pick up an ice cube with
"thier" buttocks.

You would think They had to do worse! :-)

Dissent from The Way and They wish to lock out all who do so.

Thank you sir, may I have another?

...cruel gruel for those without expectations of greatness.

[a convoluted Dickensian bit of word play but I picked a pocket of
my mind and couldn't find a better one...]

They are "fagin" it. [better, but few
get it]




These PCTA elitists take their Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
very, very seriously.

So did Dean Wermer. And the whacko had a live round in his shirt
pocket. He tried to use it in the end.

Tsk. So much for what could be a fun hobby.

"Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

It is their Lifestyle?

It's "thier" style.

OBEY them. The PCTA extras RULE! Hi hi.

yawn

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
(William) writes:


(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(William) writes:


(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(William) writes:


(N2EY) wrote in message
...

Just for starters. Actually I've lost track of how many different

names

Len
has

made up for me. Seems he just can't bring himself to call me "Jim" or

"N2EY",

even though I call him "Len" or "Mr. Anderson".

I can call you Jim. Doesn't matter because you don't like my message.


But Len and Biran get you to call them "Putz", "Loser", "Brain" and
"PuppetBoy", just for starters. Which is probably their entire game,

really.


It wasn't. But Quitefine is thoroughly convinced of that. :-)



Ahem, that's "Brian." And we don't "get him to call us" anything.
Steve does so on the free volition of any number of his various
personalities.


The other is because last month Brain stated others "can't help
yourself, you have to respond...".

Prove him wrong.

Please do. It'll be a first.


Guess they have a hard time with objectivity, not that we had any
doubts.

Of course. So why play their game?

I can be Quiteobjective. Try me with some rational discourse.

The PCTA's only "game" is that they've lost at validity of keeping
a morse code test and try to "get back" at NCTA using all manner
of personal insults and denigrations.

I've seen it.


"Rational discourse" to the PCTA means having to like morse
code...anyplace, anytime.

Speak the least thing negative about morse code and the PCTA
immediately go ballistic, holler and shout that NCTA are
"insulting their honor" (or whatever they bitch about du jour).

Boils down to that in here.

Seems to me that the PCTA code lovers should be on their radios
happily beeping away...instead of sitting at keyboards snarling
nastygrams at any NCTA within sight or hearing. :-)

Hi hi.



I just read a David Heil post where he thinks you shouldn't suggest
anything. But I can recall post after post after post scolding me for
spending my spare time on RRAP rather than with a code practice
oscillator.

Heil is claiming "turf" in here, trying to close off the newsgroup to
all but those He allows in.

It's beginning to feel like the kitchen in hell over here.


Nah. It's the PCTA extra "hood" they are defending.

Anyone invading their "turf" has to swear a blood oath of "Do Code
or Die!" Hi hi.


Problem is that this is an open forum whether He likes it or not.

Better open the windows more. Don't know how much more heat I can
take.


He doesn't like it, ergo the usual spew of denigrations to all that
don't think like He. shrug

Tell me about it. And have you seen Jim trying to talk some sense
into the loud guy? It isn't working, but it is kind of funny.


Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!

The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.


It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you
were the moderator.


Following Heilian Rules in amateur radio policy newsgroup posting,
this would turn into a cozy little conclave of PCTA elitists, all
talking about the wonder and magic of morse, giving Newington
boys high-fives for anything, indeed giving each other high-fives
for existing. They would Rule. :-)

Sychophants all?


That's about the size of it. :-)


Common enough syndrome in pseudo-fraternal orders among
humans. Happens elsewhere.

YMCA?


Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full
of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar.


Now that tells us much.



These guys are PCTA, and exhibit the PCTA double-standard at every
opportunity.

They do NOT see it that way. :-)

Their Way is THE Way. No dissension allowed.

If They had to take a code test for an amateur license, then
everyone has to do it! No dissension allowed.

Thank goodness that they didn't have to pick up an ice cube with
"thier" buttocks.

You would think They had to do worse! :-)


Dissent from The Way and They wish to lock out all who do so.

Thank you sir, may I have another?


...cruel gruel for those without expectations of greatness.

[a convoluted Dickensian bit of word play but I picked a pocket of
my mind and couldn't find a better one...]

They are "fagin" it. [better, but few
get it]




These PCTA elitists take their Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society
very, very seriously.

So did Dean Wermer. And the whacko had a live round in his shirt
pocket. He tried to use it in the end.


Tsk. So much for what could be a fun hobby.

"Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."


It is their Lifestyle?

It's "thier" style.


OBEY them. The PCTA extras RULE! Hi hi.

Since when? And what do they rule anyhow?


yawn

I hear ya brother! 8^)

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Why do I make mention of this?

Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.

You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.

Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

72, de Hans, K0HB

~~~
I savor the strange warm glow of being more ignorant than
ordinary people, who are only ignorant of ordinary things.
~~~

Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 9/21/2004 2:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net


(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Why do I make mention of this?

Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.

You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.

Au contraire, Master Chief.

I have a great many other discussions that are nothing of the kind. But
then the "other" people involved tend to act civilly, refrain from the use of
diminutives and generally tend to be open minded sorts. Nor do they create
stories that are so easily disporven, make boasts of things done that can't be
verified, nor do they boldfaced misrepresent the truth.

And I must add...All of your "replies" vis-a-vis anything I have posted in
ANY thread has been of this angry, stick-it-in-your-ear kinda stuff.

I find it a bit hypocritical that you chastise me for that sort of thing,
all-the-while participating in it yourself.

Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p.

Sure they are. We all are at one time or another. Even you.

They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper."

Another misrepresentation of the truth, Master Chief.

There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

If you're so frustrated, why spend one more day here? Feel free to
exercise the option of not participating if it so offends you. We'll miss you,
but we'll manage...

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Why do I make mention of this?

Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.

You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.

Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

Well said, Hans! tip of the hat and electronic high-five

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Common enough syndrome in pseudo-fraternal orders among
humans. Happens elsewhere.

YMCA?

Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full
of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar.

Hmmm? I've never been to a Moose, Elks, Eagles or Lions club. I
don't think they are Veteran's organizations, so I wonder what they
brag about?

I should have added the VFW. Same-o, same-o. :-)

Probably bragging about "thier" real military experience!

"I Say Uh, Ayah Say Boy, there I was eating at the captains table..."

Hi, hi!

Don't forget all the "drudges" that served that "veteran" his meal.

Or that other "veteran" who never served but knows ALL about
military electronics and weaponry and isn't hesitant to correct
real veterans any time, any place for being "wrong."

Pass the A-1 sauce...I have some beef with those hams.

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!

The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.


It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you
were the moderator.

I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum.

Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat
room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting.


Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full
of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar.

Now that tells us much.

If you had been to one of those, then you do not need to be "told"
about it. It is self-evident. Merely observe. That's all that's
necessary.

If you haven't been to a fraternal order hall with bar, then think of a
conclave of PCTA self-described wire-pullers and add some alky.
Same thing.


OBEY them. The PCTA extras RULE! Hi hi.

Since when? And what do they rule anyhow?

Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key.
They think that all radio communications revolves around morse
code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but
they are Believers and will not listen to reason.

Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the
PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are.

If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers
learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename
the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

That should end any "dispute." The PCTA get what they want.
The name is readjusted to what it had become in testing.

Amateur radio is just another hobby involving electronics. There are
dozens-plus hobbies involving electronics and that is where the
electronics-interested hobbyists have gone. Most of those non-ham
hobbyists don't give a damn about morse code or recreating some
"pioneer days" re-enactments through constantly re-living olden
days that were around before most hams of today were born.

There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute
and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love,
honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that.
There's lots of folks who MIGHT have come in here and made their
opinions known on issues...but are hesitant to not wanting to be
called nasty names by those same PCTA extras. That's the
"rule" part...rule by intimidation, intimidation by any manner.

For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't
open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the
intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks,
zero discussion.

"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Why do I make mention of this?

Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.

You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.

Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

72, de Hans, K0HB

Hans, it warms the heart to see someone other than Len saying those things.

bb

Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: (William)
Date: 9/22/2004 5:00 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Hans, it warms the heart to see someone other than Len saying those things.

I don't know why.

More than one person (meaning: other than me) has called Hans "Len with a
License".

And Lennie is still a liar and you still publically admire him and condone
his conduct.

Peas in the pod.

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!

The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.


It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you
were the moderator.


I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum.

Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat
room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting.

I couldn't agree more!


Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full
of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar.

Now that tells us much.


If you had been to one of those, then you do not need to be "told"
about it. It is self-evident. Merely observe. That's all that's
necessary.

A buncha guys, and sometimes gals. People put back a few. Some are
great folk, some are obnoxious. A microcosm of life. I have no interest
in that sort of thing, but it's harmless enough as long as they don't
drive off half-tanked.


If you haven't been to a fraternal order hall with bar, then think of a
conclave of PCTA self-described wire-pullers and add some alky.
Same thing.

Don't hate, man.



OBEY them. The PCTA extras RULE! Hi hi.

Since when? And what do they rule anyhow?


Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key.
They think that all radio communications revolves around morse
code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but
they are Believers and will not listen to reason.

But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that.


Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the
PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are.

that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the
(probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be?


If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers
learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename
the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication,
including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist
with each other.


That should end any "dispute." The PCTA get what they want.
The name is readjusted to what it had become in testing.


Amateur radio is just another hobby involving electronics. There are
dozens-plus hobbies involving electronics and that is where the
electronics-interested hobbyists have gone. Most of those non-ham
hobbyists don't give a damn about morse code or recreating some
"pioneer days" re-enactments through constantly re-living olden
days that were around before most hams of today were born.

I guess history must be bad, huh?


There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute
and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love,
honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that.

I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement.


There's lots of folks who MIGHT have come in here and made their
opinions known on issues...but are hesitant to not wanting to be
called nasty names by those same PCTA extras. That's the
"rule" part...rule by intimidation, intimidation by any manner.

At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^)

For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't
open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the
intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks,
zero discussion.

hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to
their opinion.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 9/22/2004 7:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Jimmie chastise nursie? Har!

The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle.

"Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up.


It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you
were the moderator.


I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum.

Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat
room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting.

I couldn't agree more!

The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the very
same "rules" he would impose on others...

Not quite. Like Moose, Elk, Eagles, Lions type of clubs, all full
of brave macho types bragging it up at the club bar.

Now that tells us much.


If you had been to one of those, then you do not need to be "told"
about it. It is self-evident. Merely observe. That's all that's
necessary.

A buncha guys, and sometimes gals. People put back a few. Some are
great folk, some are obnoxious. A microcosm of life. I have no interest
in that sort of thing, but it's harmless enough as long as they don't
drive off half-tanked.


If you haven't been to a fraternal order hall with bar, then think of a
conclave of PCTA self-described wire-pullers and add some alky.
Same thing.

Don't hate, man.

C'mon Mike...Don't expect miracles.

OBEY them. The PCTA extras RULE! Hi hi.

Since when? And what do they rule anyhow?


Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key.
They think that all radio communications revolves around morse
code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but
they are Believers and will not listen to reason.

But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that.

Protestations to the contrary, Mike, just about all of us in the "pro
code" camp have expressed and discussed other modes, activities and interests.

Lennie keeps dragging that old, tired rhetoric of his around and tries to
wave it like a tattered old battle flag.

Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not true.
But it makes him happy to wave it.

Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the
PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are.

that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the
(probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be?


If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers
learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename
the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication,
including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist
with each other.

Not in Lennie's world. Thank God it goes no farther than his own, sad and
beleagured mind.

That should end any "dispute." The PCTA get what they want.
The name is readjusted to what it had become in testing.


Amateur radio is just another hobby involving electronics. There are
dozens-plus hobbies involving electronics and that is where the
electronics-interested hobbyists have gone. Most of those non-ham
hobbyists don't give a damn about morse code or recreating some
"pioneer days" re-enactments through constantly re-living olden
days that were around before most hams of today were born.

I guess history must be bad, huh?

Of course it is.

UNLESS, of course, you are a one-tour-wonder Army radio mechanic from
1953.

Then the tale warrants retelling at every opportunity.

There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute
and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love,
honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that.

I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement.

Not all readers have "seen that".

I, for one, have publically stated (and do so again here) that although I
support Morse code use AND testing, it's time is passing and it's time to move
on.

Of course Lennie ignores this (and similar comments from other posters of
similar thought) and goes right on with his assertions about how allegedly
reluctant any one is to discuss anything else.

Even more ironic is that when we DO discuss anything else, Lennie or Brian
do thier best to pull the thread into yet another "PCTA Extras Destroying The
Radio World" rant.

There's lots of folks who MIGHT have come in here and made their
opinions known on issues...but are hesitant to not wanting to be
called nasty names by those same PCTA extras. That's the
"rule" part...rule by intimidation, intimidation by any manner.

At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^)

Uh huh.

Betchya I could sell you a bride in New York, too, Mike...?!?!

For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't
open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the
intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks,
zero discussion.

hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to
their opinion.

The "diss and cuss" comes from being "dissed" and "cussed" by certain
non-Amateur aggitators. One in particular.

73

Steve, K4YZ

KØHB wrote:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes:



Why do I make mention of this?


Probably because it's Lennie who insists that no one here posts "on
subject" and only post to "do battle". Interesting, considering his
flagrant, frequent attacks on "Jimmy", "der Oberst" ,"Dill Sergeant",
"Mama Dee" andothers.


You miss the point, Steve. The purpose of r.r.a.p. is no longer
discussion of policy, or learning something, or study of communications
theory.

The purpose is to FIGHT and to denegrate the dignity of all who do not
agree with you! Any other post is off topic and is not welcome here.


But who will be the first to stop? Steve will post as he is posted to,
and the other two in this sad saga will post that way until they are
ignored.

It's our very own "Middle-east" problem.


Get with the program. No one is "mistaken" or "partially correct" on
r.r.a.p. They either 100% totally agree with you, or they are "a lying,
scum sucking, bottom feeding no-code beeper." There is no in between,
and there must be at least one of each in every conversation here.
Anything which resembles a rational exchange of ideas and useful
information will either be ignored, or some enterprising induhvidual
will hijack the thread and turn it into an argument about Morse. No
other "Policy" conversation is allowed to survive unmolested.

Whoa there! That was Andersonesque!

But you are right. Their bar room brawl floods into every thread on
rrap. A pity that.


- Mike KB3EIA -

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


All of your "replies" vis-a-vis anything I have posted in
ANY thread has been of this angry, stick-it-in-your-ear kinda stuff.


Actually, I think you should "stick-it-in-" a somewhat lower posterior
orfice.


Sure they are. We all are at one time or another. Even you.


I've only been wrong once on rrap. That's the time I thought I was
wrong, but I wasn't.


If you're so frustrated, why spend one more day here?


I'm not frustrated, Steve, just simply entertained by your predictable
knee-jerk reactions of angst and lack of tolerance for opposing opinion.
(In other words, it's great fun to watch you spin up your rotors when
someone tweaks your nose.)


Feel free to exercise the option of not participating if it so
offends you. We'll miss you, but we'll manage...


Is that kinda like "My way, or the highway" or "Don't let the door...."?


More than one person (meaning: other than me) has called Hans...
(gratuitous name calling deleted)...


"When a true genius appears in this world, you may know
him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy
against him." -- Jonathan Swift

Sunuvagun!

72, de Hans, K0HB