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September 22nd 04, 09:57 PM
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In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Jimmie chastise nursie? Har! The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. "Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up. It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you were the moderator. I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum. Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting. I couldn't agree more! Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying nothing against their egregious conduct? Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. Yet you've bought into the morsemanship-is-all ethos and condone the polluters. Please don't try to use political spin on what you've posted. You aren't in the political pro leagues yet...they've had centuries to perfect spin and are good at it. Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are. that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the (probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be? Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo. No one is "oppressing" me. I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium. PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident from their public statements) by intimidation, personal insults, or whatever means they can use...which includes considerable fantasy and wild imaginations on their parts. I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long after their validity has expired. If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication, including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist with each other. Irrelevant reasons. The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations, absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions below 30 MHz. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc., etc. operating below 30 MHz. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz. A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army Signal Corps). Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes] A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through- put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band- width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM, then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio. A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international communications. GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance. The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild- fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide. Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100 million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios to access the telephone infrastructure. All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations) have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required. Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time. I guess history must be bad, huh? For U.S. amateur radio in comparison to the rest of the radio world, it IS "bad." "Bad" in that it lags far beyond the state of the radio art...supported only by the radio designers and manufacturers using developments from the rest of radio to modernize amateur transceivers so that they can best "work" on-off keyed carriers a la the 1920s. There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. That is a given. You must support your klan. I do hope you use fitted sheets. At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^) Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult." PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily. For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks, zero discussion. hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. NOT in here, according to the little clique of PCTA "regulars." ALL must do as they had to do...or be silent. "They rule." They try to enforce their rule by any means possible, usually that of the personal insult against anyone differing from their exhalted opinion. Tsk. Not conducive to a hobby activity. More conducive to a dictatorship. |
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September 23rd 04, 05:57 PM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Jimmie chastise nursie? Har! The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. "Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up. It is hard to control what Jim posts. It would be a lot easier if you were the moderator. I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum. Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting. I couldn't agree more! Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying nothing against their egregious conduct? That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions. What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change it to suit you. Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. Yet you've bought into the morsemanship-is-all ethos and condone the polluters. Please don't try to use political spin on what you've posted. You aren't in the political pro leagues yet...they've had centuries to perfect spin and are good at it. hehe, political spin usually takes more than a one sentence paragraph. Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are. that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the (probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be? Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo. Sarcasm doesn't work well in print. No one is "oppressing" me. BINGO! You post as you se fit. I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium. And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away in spite of your antagonism PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident from their public statements) by intimidation, How are a bunch of radio geeks going to intimidate me? personal insults, That one is a null. Plenty of that to go around on all sides. or whatever means they can use...which includes considerable fantasy and wild imaginations on their parts. Also a null. Plenty of that to go around on all sides. I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long after their validity has expired. And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking for the sheer joy of irritating someone. If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication, including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist with each other. Irrelevant reasons. The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations, absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions below 30 MHz. So what? No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc., etc. operating below 30 MHz. No test at all is needed No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz. I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment. Could be wrong. A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army Signal Corps). Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes] No test at all is required for Citizen' band radio. A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through- put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band- width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM, then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio. A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international communications. GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance. The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild- fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide. Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100 million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios to access the telephone infrastructure. All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations) have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required. Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time. No, i can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF access, your argument is only half formed. If you ARE saying you want no testing for the Amateur Radio service, Well, I *most* respectfully disagree! I guess history must be bad, huh? For U.S. amateur radio in comparison to the rest of the radio world, it IS "bad." "Bad" in that it lags far beyond the state of the radio art...supported only by the radio designers and manufacturers using developments from the rest of radio to modernize amateur transceivers so that they can best "work" on-off keyed carriers a la the 1920s. State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS. There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. That is a given. You must support your klan. I do hope you use fitted sheets. At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^) Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult." hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He is doing nothing that you do not do. Null. PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily. Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the proof. For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks, zero discussion. hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. NOT in here, according to the little clique of PCTA "regulars." ALL must do as they had to do...or be silent. "They rule." Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case. They try to enforce their rule by any means possible, usually that of the personal insult against anyone differing from their exhalted opinion. Tsk. Anyone that would be intimidated by *that* should probably avoid Netnews! 8^) Not conducive to a hobby activity. More conducive to a dictatorship. Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there. You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending again, huh? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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September 24th 04, 06:47 AM
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In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Len Over 21 wrote: Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying nothing against their egregious conduct? That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions. Right...there's two sets of fingers wagging "no-no, naughty boy." Tsk, tsk, tsk. What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change it to suit you. In other words, you condone what a licensed ham is doing. No sweat, the picture is perfectly clear. Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo. Sarcasm doesn't work well in print. Actually it does. The time isolation gives you plenty of thinking about a reply that says "sarcasm doesn't affect you." :-) No one is "oppressing" me. BINGO! You post as you se fit. No "bingo." That's just the way it is. I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium. And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away in spite of your antagonism Tsk, tsk, tsk! :-) That was patently transparent, Coslo. :-) PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident from their public statements) by intimidation, How are a bunch of radio geeks going to intimidate me? They've already gotten under your skin... :-) I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long after their validity has expired. And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking for the sheer joy of irritating someone. Tsk, tsk, tsk. The Coslo nose got tweaked, did it? :-) The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations, absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions below 30 MHz. So what? The NCTA want that code test to discontinue. That should be obvious.... :-) No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc., etc. operating below 30 MHz. No test at all is needed Tell that to the FCC. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz. I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment. Could be wrong. You are, but I will not do any nose-tweaking lest the inflammation spread... :-) A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army Signal Corps). Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes] No test at all is required for Citizen' band radio. No test was ever required for CB. A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through- put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band- width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM, then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio. A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international communications. GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance. The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild- fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide. Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100 million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios to access the telephone infrastructure. All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations) have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required. Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time. No, i can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF access, your argument is only half formed. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Not good manners to carry that to extremes. :-) What I am saying is that the morse code test should be eliminated. That's all. Trying to reduce the argument to extremes ("reducto ad absurdum") of the absurd is NOT a reply. State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS. ? Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult." hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He is doing nothing that you do not do. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Why do you keep inserting mentions of that person? PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily. Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the proof. The evidence is all archived in Google. :-) Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nose got tweaked THAT hard, did it? Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there. You are NOT acting like a Pollyanna. :-) If you were "looking for the good," your tone would have been different. As it is, you put all the PCTA extras in the "right" and all the others in the "wrong." Tsk, tsk, tsk. You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending again, huh? What am I "supposed" to "turn around?" What is IS. Try to live with that...it is all around you. You are not entirely condescending in that reply. In parts you showed arrogance in the "we PCTA are right and all you others are wrong" attitude. Tsk. No one is required to captitulate to some nebulous myth/ideals that are all artificial. Try not to enforce such attitudes on others. |
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September 24th 04, 12:26 PM
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Subject: Doing Battle? Can't Resist Posting?
From: Mike Coslo Date: 9/23/2004 11:57 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying nothing against their egregious conduct? That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions. What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change it to suit you. Now you've done it, Mike... You'll now be "Mikie" amd what ever other diminutives he can create. Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo. Sarcasm doesn't work well in print. It starts with using your last name like that, even though you continue to address him civilly and by "Len". No one is "oppressing" me. BINGO! You post as you se fit. Lennie is not "oppressed"...He's OPPRESIVE. I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium. And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away in spite of your antagonism. Exactly. And when the Code test is officially defunct, he'll be in here antagonizing over some other non-issue issue. I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long after their validity has expired. And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking for the sheer joy of irritating someone. Of course everyone else is in "error", and only Lennie, the rear area radio clerk in the 50's ex radio technician can see the REAL truth... Not. If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication, including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist with each other. Irrelevant reasons. The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations, absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions below 30 MHz. So what? Lennie continues to confuse AMATEUR RADIO for other services. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc., etc. operating below 30 MHz. No test at all is needed And again proof that he confuses AMATEUR RADIO for those other, limited scope/specific purpose radio services. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz. I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment. Could be wrong. A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army Signal Corps). A "radio service" that was specifically designed to prosecute war. Not engage the citizens of other nations in conversation. Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is behind the times? It most certainly is. Has been for a long time. No, I can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF access, your argument is only half formed. If you ARE saying you want no testing for the Amateur Radio service, Well, I *most* respectfully disagree! I can't believe that Lennie has the gumption to say how antiquated Amateur testing is when he's never TAKEN an Amateur test to be able to judge them by. "Bad" in that it lags far beyond the state of the radio art...supported only by the radio designers and manufacturers using developments from the rest of radio to modernize amateur transceivers so that they can best "work" on-off keyed carriers a la the 1920s. State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS. Yet another silly assertion by one who has no PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE in Amateur Radio from which to make an INFORMED opinion. That is a given. You must support your klan. I do hope you use fitted sheets. I there could be any uglier reference than to the Ku Klux Klan, I don;'t know what it could be...Of course there's the Nazi Party, but then Lennie usually reserves that one for me. At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^) Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult." hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He is doing nothing that you do not do. Null. "Negativism". Lennie has a unique way of minimalizing his OWN insults. And WHY does he have to even employ "negativism"...?!?! Hundreds of tousands of people engage in Amateur Radio every day WITHOUT Morse Code and don't ahve a single negative word to say about it... I think it's becsue he doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about. PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily. Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the proof. It's too easy to DISprove his assertion, Mike. Tune the bottom end of the HF bands on any given day. For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks, zero discussion. hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. NOT in here, according to the little clique of PCTA "regulars." ALL must do as they had to do...or be silent. "They rule." Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case. Being an idiot helps. Being arrogant perpetuates it. They try to enforce their rule by any means possible, usually that of the personal insult against anyone differing from their exhalted opinion. Tsk. Anyone that would be intimidated by *that* should probably avoid Netnews! 8^) Not conducive to a hobby activity. More conducive to a dictatorship. Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there. I have to look REEEEEEEAL hard to see ANY "bad" in Amateur Radio. Most of it, unfortunately, seems to be on the Left Coast. The 147.435MHz repeater comes to mind. Richard Burton is another. But then California seems to lend itself to that sort of childish behaviour. You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending again, huh? Nope. Just polite clarity of thought and expression. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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September 24th 04, 06:10 PM
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Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Jimmie chastise nursie? Har! The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. "Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up. What would Len have us do, Mike? It is hard to control what Jim posts. Not for me! It would be a lot easier if you were the moderator. I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum. But Len wants to be the moderator. He seems to want to squelch all opposition to his opinions. Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting. Len projects his own actions unto others. In my 7 years of reading rrap, I have seen only *one* case where someone literally told someone else to "shut up". That was when Len told K8MN to "shut up, you little USMC feldwebel" October 2003, I think. (If there are more, I missed them - some posters here are so verbose it's just not practical to read everything they write). I couldn't agree more! Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying nothing against their egregious conduct? That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions. What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change it to suit you. Nor will I. Perhaps that is the real issue with Len. I think you hit on it some posts back, Mike. The Len/Brian/Steve troika must get some kind of return for all the name calling and insults. But that's obviously not enough for Len, so he tries to get a similar setup going with you. It would probably make him happy if you started calling him names, insulting him personally, etc., because then he could return it in kind and then some. But instead you just keep on being mild-mannered Mike, not backing down but not returning in kind, either. You won't play his game or get down to his level. Nor will I. Heck, I can't remember all the names Len has invented for me to avoid calling me "Jim" or "N2EY". Let's see....there's "Jimmie" (note the feminized ending), "Jimmie Who", "Rev. Jim", "negative j", "Miccolis", etc. What purpose does all that serve? Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. I like Morse Code. In fact I probably *love* Morse Code. But the above is just not correct. They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. Wrong again! It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. Note the equation of "reason" with "agree with Len". But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. Me neither. Yet you've bought into the morsemanship-is-all ethos and condone the polluters. Not true at all. Please don't try to use political spin on what you've posted. You aren't in the political pro leagues yet...they've had centuries to perfect spin and are good at it. hehe, political spin usually takes more than a one sentence paragraph. That's why Len's posts are so long... Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are. that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the (probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be? Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo. Sarcasm doesn't work well in print. No one is "oppressing" me. BINGO! You post as you se fit. Yet Len tells others here to shut up - literally, as in the "feldwebel" post, and in other ways as well. I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium. Without ever telling us why. And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away in spite of your antagonism PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident from their public statements) by intimidation, How are a bunch of radio geeks going to intimidate me? personal insults, That one is a null. Plenty of that to go around on all sides. or whatever means they can use...which includes considerable fantasy and wild imaginations on their parts. Also a null. Plenty of that to go around on all sides. Exactly. I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long after their validity has expired. And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking for the sheer joy of irritating someone. Which says it all, really. If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication, including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist with each other. Irrelevant reasons. Says who? The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations, absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions below 30 MHz. So what? No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc., etc. operating below 30 MHz. No test at all is needed Those are other radio services, not amateur radio. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz. I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment. Could be wrong. Amateur radio is different from those other services. For example, we're allowed to design/build/repair/align and operate our stations without any certification or other "type approval" rules. We aren't limited to predefined channels or spot frequencies, except on 60 meters. We have a large selection of modes and techniques available, with very few regulations hindering them. A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army Signal Corps). Here we see a typical example of Len-distortion. He's obviously talking about his time at ADA. Now - did the US Army not use any morse code after 1952? How about the US Navy? COast Guard? Air Force? Marines? Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes] More distortions. 27 MHz cb was and is limited to low power using only approved equipment on a set of channels all close in frequency. No transmitter adjustments at all except channel selection. No homebrewing allowed, no modifications to equipment allowed. And the license requirement was dropped in the 1970s, almost 20 years after the 27 MHz channels were authorized. Most important of all, cb is hardly the example amateur radio should follow. No test at all is required for Citizen' band radio. Perhaps Len wants *all* amateur radio tests eliminated. A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through- put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band- width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM, then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio. "Teleprinters" (which we hams call "RTTY machines" were large, heavy, noisy and very expensive. Most hams could not afford to buy them and their related equipment new. Some hams had machines through surplus and MARS channels, but until the PC era, RTTY modes were pretty much a limited specialty in ham radio. Do you think Len ever bought a new teleprinter for hobby use with his own money? A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international communications. And no use of HF. All of amateur VHF/UHF has been available without a code test since 1991. GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance. Should WWV be shut down? The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild- fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide. And it's not radio. Has the internet replaced amateur radio? Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100 million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios to access the telephone infrastructure. Not on HF either. All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations) have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required. That's a good thing. Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is behind the times? Nope. It most certainly is. Not at all. Has been for a long time. Hams still use Morse Code. Extensively. Therefore, a Morse Code test is appropriate. No, i can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF access, your argument is only half formed. If you ARE saying you want no testing for the Amateur Radio service, Well, I *most* respectfully disagree! Bingo. I guess history must be bad, huh? For U.S. amateur radio in comparison to the rest of the radio world, it IS "bad." What is bad about history? What is bad about doing what someone likes to do? To use one of Cecil's phrases: "What is wrong with live and let live?" "Bad" in that it lags far beyond the state of the radio art...supported only by the radio designers and manufacturers using developments from the rest of radio to modernize amateur transceivers so that they can best "work" on-off keyed carriers a la the 1920s. Ah - so it's not just the Morse Code *test* which Len thinks is bad, but Morse Code *use* by hams! State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS. By whom would it be prohibited? There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. That is a given. You must support your klan. I do hope you use fitted sheets. Here we go with the insults.... Note that Len assumes you are a white male, Mike... At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^) Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult." I think the person who wrote "shut up, you little USMC feldwebel" kind of disproves that... hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He is doing nothing that you do not do. Null. PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily. Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the proof. "The world has advanced" means "you should not use or enjoy Morse Code any more". I guess people who like sailboats, stick-shift cars, horseback riding, bicycles and a bunch of other pursuits should listen up too... For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks, zero discussion. hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. NOT in here, according to the little clique of PCTA "regulars." ALL must do as they had to do...or be silent. "They rule." Funny - I only recall one person telling another to shut up here... Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case. The shrinks call it "projection", Mike. They try to enforce their rule by any means possible, usually that of the personal insult against anyone differing from their exhalted opinion. Tsk. Anyone that would be intimidated by *that* should probably avoid Netnews! 8^) Not conducive to a hobby activity. More conducive to a dictatorship. Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there. You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending again, huh? Nope - just honest. Well said, Mike. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message . com... Nor will I. Heck, I can't remember all the names Len has invented for me to avoid calling me "Jim" or "N2EY". Let's see....there's "Jimmie" (note the feminized ending), "Jimmie Who", "Rev. Jim", "negative j", "Miccolis", etc. What purpose does all that serve? None, other than to prove what a creep he is. And he does that well and frequently. 73 Steve, K4YZ You misuse the word, "creep." A creep is someone who insinuates harm will come to someone via anonymous bricks and knife slashes, or that their loves ones might be terrorized, unless they behave the way that you wish them to behave. |
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N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Jimmie chastise nursie? Har! The castisement is a very gentle slap on the wrist with a wet noodle. "Naughty boy, Steve, mustn't say such bad words!" will sum it up. What would Len have us do, Mike? Now that is a little more complicated, Jim. While it would seem apparent that Lenover21 would like us to treat Steve in a manner similar to Brian or his own reactions to Steve, I don't think it is that simple. If we did, than he would be deprived of the opportunity to respond to us in criticism of our own reactions toward Steve's postings. Although I am not 100 percent sure (though for statistical purposes am, within accepted errors) I do not think he would enjoy that It is hard to control what Jim posts. Not for me! hehe It would be a lot easier if you were the moderator. I'm not the "moderator" in here. This is an open forum. But Len wants to be the moderator. He seems to want to squelch all opposition to his opinions. Problem is, a few do NOT want that...they want a cozy little chat room filled only with their own kine. They are the ones polluting. Len projects his own actions unto others. In my 7 years of reading rrap, I have seen only *one* case where someone literally told someone else to "shut up". That was when Len told K8MN to "shut up, you little USMC feldwebel" October 2003, I think. (If there are more, I missed them - some posters here are so verbose it's just not practical to read everything they write). I couldn't agree more! Then why do you support and condone their actions by saying nothing against their egregious conduct? That is simply incorrect. I have and still do disagree with what Steve sometimes posts, and I have noted it to him. Jim has also, on more occasions than me. We do not support or condone their actions. What the issue is is that I (and presumably Jim) do not go after people in the manner that you want us to. It isn't my style, and I won't change it to suit you. Nor will I. Perhaps that is the real issue with Len. I think you hit on it some posts back, Mike. The Len/Brian/Steve troika must get some kind of return for all the name calling and insults. Have you ever seen an old married couple where the Husband and wife spend a lot of time bickering at each other? Yet they have been married for years and years. Its what works for them! But that's obviously not enough for Len, so he tries to get a similar setup going with you. It would probably make him happy if you started calling him names, insulting him personally, etc., because then he could return it in kind and then some. Won't work. But instead you just keep on being mild-mannered Mike, not backing down but not returning in kind, either. You won't play his game or get down to his level. Nor will I. Heck, I can't remember all the names Len has invented for me to avoid calling me "Jim" or "N2EY". Let's see....there's "Jimmie" (note the feminized ending), "Jimmie Who", "Rev. Jim", "negative j", "Miccolis", etc. Apparently "Mother Superior" now too! 8^) What purpose does all that serve? For all its sound and fury, it signifies nothing. Since the PCTA first had their hobby-orgasm over a code key. I like Morse Code. In fact I probably *love* Morse Code. But the above is just not correct. And I wouldn't mind being able to better perform Morse code, but don't lose any sleep over it. So that puts us at distinctly different points of the spectrum. Yet we are both PCTA. Go figure! So much for massive generalizations! 8^) They think that all radio communications revolves around morse code and morsemanship. Wrong again! Respectfully so! It hasn't been so for decades, but they are Believers and will not listen to reason. Note the equation of "reason" with "agree with Len". But I'm PCTA and aren't anywhere close to that. Me neither. Yet you've bought into the morsemanship-is-all ethos and condone the polluters. Not true at all. Please don't try to use political spin on what you've posted. You aren't in the political pro leagues yet...they've had centuries to perfect spin and are good at it. hehe, political spin usually takes more than a one sentence paragraph. That's why Len's posts are so long... hehe, I must be your straight man today, Jim! Governments (and all newsgroupies) should obey Them (the PCTA that is) simply because the PCTA are. that would be bad if these folk are oppressing you. But as the (probably) most prolific poster here, how can that be? Tsk. You fail to understand simple sarcasm, Coslo. Sarcasm doesn't work well in print. No one is "oppressing" me. BINGO! You post as you se fit. Yet Len tells others here to shut up - literally, as in the "feldwebel" post, and in other ways as well. I'm simply persistent and confrontational on the issue of keeping a morse code test for any radio license in this new millennium. Without ever telling us why. And in the end, accomplish very little. That test is likely to go away in spite of your antagonism PCTA clearly wish to oppress those against the code test (evident from their public statements) by intimidation, How are a bunch of radio geeks going to intimidate me? personal insults, That one is a null. Plenty of that to go around on all sides. or whatever means they can use...which includes considerable fantasy and wild imaginations on their parts. Also a null. Plenty of that to go around on all sides. Exactly. I simply point out the "error of their ways" (a metaphor) and illustrate how mythical their fraternal-order rules are...rules kept long, long after their validity has expired. And of course your method doesn't work very well for changing anyone's mind. But it works perfectly if you want to engage in some nose tweaking for the sheer joy of irritating someone. Which says it all, really. hmmm, might be onto something here........... If the PCTA feel it so necessary to make all ham radio newcomers learn morse to get a license, they should petition the FCC to rename the ARS to what suits them - Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. Does knowing Morse code eliminate other forms of communication, including modern ones? Old technology and new technology can coexist with each other. Irrelevant reasons. Says who? The morse code test continues on in U.S. amateur radio regulations, absolutely required for any authorized amateur radio transmissions below 30 MHz. So what? No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required of any small boat owner, pilot, land mobile radio operator, broadcaster, etc.,etc., etc. operating below 30 MHz. No test at all is needed Those are other radio services, not amateur radio. No morse code test passing-for-authorization is required for any military personnel operating military radios below 30 MHz. I suspect no test is needed, beyond training to operate the equipment. Could be wrong. Amateur radio is different from those other services. For example, we're allowed to design/build/repair/align and operate our stations without any certification or other "type approval" rules. We aren't limited to predefined channels or spot frequencies, except on 60 meters. We have a large selection of modes and techniques available, with very few regulations hindering them. A half century ago there was NO requirement that military personnel had to test for morsemanship to operate high-power HF transmitters using then-state-of-the-art communications techniques. All us signmalmen "got the message through" (familiar phrase of the Army Signal Corps). Here we see a typical example of Len-distortion. He's obviously talking about his time at ADA. Now - did the US Army not use any morse code after 1952? How about the US Navy? COast Guard? Air Force? Marines? Citizens Band Radio Service operating below 30 MHz became legal in 1958 in the USA, absolutely no morsemanship test involved. Not only that, CB became licenseless a few years later. [1958 is 46 years ago, back when nearly all radios still used vacuum tubes] More distortions. 27 MHz cb was and is limited to low power using only approved equipment on a set of channels all close in frequency. No transmitter adjustments at all except channel selection. No homebrewing allowed, no modifications to equipment allowed. And the license requirement was dropped in the 1970s, almost 20 years after the 27 MHz channels were authorized. Most important of all, cb is hardly the example amateur radio should follow. No test at all is required for Citizen' band radio. Perhaps Len wants *all* amateur radio tests eliminated. I am beginning to suspect that may be the case.. A half century ago, teleprinters were operating at continuous through- put of 60 WPM. A decade later that was 100 WPM and FSK band- width was decreased by half of that at 60 WPM. When solid-state electronics became more prevalent, teleprinter started to become known as "data" with sustained rates of 300 WPM, then 1200 WPM, then 4800, 9600, and finally, 56K WPM...whether by wire or radio. "Teleprinters" (which we hams call "RTTY machines" were large, heavy, noisy and very expensive. Most hams could not afford to buy them and their related equipment new. Some hams had machines through surplus and MARS channels, but until the PC era, RTTY modes were pretty much a limited specialty in ham radio. Do you think Len ever bought a new teleprinter for hobby use with his own money? snort! A half century ago, television in the USA was beginning to standardize on color video transmission, then adding stereophonic audio (some time after audio-only FM stereophonic transmission was standard). In time analog video-audio gave way to improved picture-and-sound digital TV with more information in the same EM bandwidth. International satellite relay of communications was an accomplished fact four decades ago and now all the "equatorial" comm sat orbital spots are filled. No dependence on the vagaries of the ionosphere to do international communications. And no use of HF. All of amateur VHF/UHF has been available without a code test since 1991. GPSS has been with the world (along with GLONASS) for two decades and with civilian users for over a decade, yielding precise terrestrial location determination AND precise time...all over radio. Radio clocks are available at consumer electronics stores for under $30 that update themselves automatically to precise time from several LF broadcast services. No need to tie into wire services or listen on HF for precise time...the little inexpensive radio clocks offer one-second-per-day accuracy, along with calendar information without operator assistance. Should WWV be shut down? All those people with the ill named "atomic clocks" might be disappointed! The Internet went public in 1991, 13 years ago, and spread like wild- fire to all parts of the world. Millions upon millions use the Internet daily, geographic boundaries seldom a limit, with no disturbance from the ionosphere affecting HF. It is mass communications worldwide. And it's not radio. Has the internet replaced amateur radio? Cellular telephony, enabled through radio, has become a standard means of communications for Americans. So much so that one in three Americans has a cellular telephone subscription...about 100 million using those tiny, low-microwave-radio-range, portable radios to access the telephone infrastructure. Not on HF either. And of course they are so much more reliable than olde tyme Hamme radio! All that while, during a veritable many-quantum-level-jumps in technology, U.S. amateur radio "qualifications" (test regulations) have required the morsemanship ability test to authorize operation below 30 MHz by amateurs. That is still required. That's a good thing. Can you say that U.S. amateur radio regulations (and testing) is behind the times? Nope. It most certainly is. Not at all. Has been for a long time. Hams still use Morse Code. Extensively. Therefore, a Morse Code test is appropriate. No, i can't. Unless you are saying you want no testing at all for HF access, your argument is only half formed. If you ARE saying you want no testing for the Amateur Radio service, Well, I *most* respectfully disagree! Bingo. I guess history must be bad, huh? For U.S. amateur radio in comparison to the rest of the radio world, it IS "bad." What is bad about history? What is bad about doing what someone likes to do? To use one of Cecil's phrases: "What is wrong with live and let live?" "Bad" in that it lags far beyond the state of the radio art...supported only by the radio designers and manufacturers using developments from the rest of radio to modernize amateur transceivers so that they can best "work" on-off keyed carriers a la the 1920s. Ah - so it's not just the Morse Code *test* which Len thinks is bad, but Morse Code *use* by hams! I never did understand that argument anyhow. SSB is what, nearly a century old? FM? WAY too much hangup on how we modulate our signals. Here's a question. Digital is more "up to date" than say SSB. Should digital voice be mandated, and SSB phased out ASAP? But wait! Unless we are willing to accept apparently unacceptable audio quality, we have to use a signal that is wider than a SSB signal. And the digital units that I have seen have a little quirk of having to receive the beginning of a transmission in order to decode the signal. So much for listening for a CQ. If you don't hear the beginning, you don't hear anything!!!!! But it's closer to the state of the art, it *must* be better. not State of radio art would not pe permitted in the ARS. By whom would it be prohibited? You do know don't ya? There's only a few PCTA extras in here. But, they are resolute and quite uncivil in condemnation of all those who do not love, honor and obey morsemanship. All readers have seen that. I'm PCTA and an Extra. I respectfully disagree with that statement. That is a given. You must support your klan. I do hope you use fitted sheets. Here we go with the insults.... Oh dear! Note that Len assumes you are a white male, Mike... At least the NCTA and interested others don't call anyone names! ;^) Poor PCTA...they think the slightest negativism on their mythical championship of morsemanhood is a "personal insult." I think the person who wrote "shut up, you little USMC feldwebel" kind of disproves that... hmmm, then why do you think that I should condemn Steve so badly? He is doing nothing that you do not do. Null. PCTA simply refuses to acknowledge that the world has advanced and that amateur radio can no longer by "qualified" by radiotelegraphy skill demonstrations. PCTA wound far too easily. Respectfully disagree. You make the statement, please provide the proof. "The world has advanced" means "you should not use or enjoy Morse Code any more". Or SSB or RTTY or anything else not "in the now". I'm curious just why people would think that using a computer is "High Tech" or why using a little walkie-talkie that only works for part of the time is "High Tech". It's not high tech, its technology that is reduced to practice. Morse code is an old comm method. So what? I guess people who like sailboats, stick-shift cars, horseback riding, bicycles and a bunch of other pursuits should listen up too... For most folks, that rule-by-intimidation isn't comfortable, isn't open, certainly isn't conducive (in any way) to discussion...the intimidation consists mostly of diss and cuss at non-morse folks, zero discussion. hmmm, I don't see it that way at all. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. NOT in here, according to the little clique of PCTA "regulars." ALL must do as they had to do...or be silent. "They rule." Funny - I only recall one person telling another to shut up here... Proven wrong every time you post. I find it hard to understand why you keep saying that sort of thing, when it obviously isn't the case. The shrinks call it "projection", Mike. Say something often enough, and at least you will believe it!! 8^) They try to enforce their rule by any means possible, usually that of the personal insult against anyone differing from their exhalted opinion. Tsk. Anyone that would be intimidated by *that* should probably avoid Netnews! 8^) Not conducive to a hobby activity. More conducive to a dictatorship. Not been my experience as a Ham. You see bad, and declare that all is bad. I see bad, and continue looking until I find the good. It is there. You *can* turn it around. You probably think I'm being condescending again, huh? Nope - just honest. Well said, Mike. Thanks, I'll probably receive another dose tho'.... 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
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