Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/10/2004 1:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

Ham radio regulations are to be regulated SOLELY by hams?

"You can not answer a question with another question"

Heaven forbid that people who are involved in a certain discipline should
actaully have any say in it's regulation or conduct.

Tsk. FCC do dat. For EVERY civil radio service. It's the law.

You're not the FCC, Len. Also not a ham.

But hum raddio is "different." :-)

What is "hum raddio"?

That's the noise he hears when the microwave is cooking. A good Ham could
filter that noise out in a few minutes.

Yes, I've named employers and some work done. I was there and
did those things.

Good for you, Len!

Yes, Lennie, Good for you.

And too BAD for you, too...

Ran your mouth off just a weeeeeee bit too much and gave me just enough to
get some real scoop on just how magnificent an enginer you REALLY are.

Where did Jimmie do his engineering work on radio?

Why does that matter?

It doesn't.

A lame redirect to take the heat off of himself.

Didn't work.

Tsk. There's NOTHING about what either one of you has done that
affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip.

Then we're even, because there's nothing *you* have done that
affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip.

Sorry. Not quite true.

Eighteen years of my life allowed Lennie to continue to enjoy his home and
his life as he knows it.

OK - let's say, just for the point of discussion, that your source is
right on the money.

Just for the point of the discussion consider that nursie is a LIAR.

Why?

And who is "nursie"?

Can you not tolerate a hypothetical discussion, Len? It seems that way.

There's nothing "hypothetical" about it.

Nursie has NO such name. That individual is a fabrication of his
fantasy world.

How do you know?

Nursie CAN'T name any names becuase no such person exists.

Prove it!

There goes Lennie with the typos...According to the Lennie Laws of
Newsgroup Posting, typos are indicative of anger and pent up hatred.

(Amazing how Lennie's own stuff usually get's back around TO Lennie, isn't
it...?!?!)

Do you really expect us to believe that over decades long "career in radio
electronics", that there is not a single person you encountered who would say
what has been claimed?

Oh Nooooooooo, Jim!

Lennie was a "Shining Example of All That Is Good And Right In Radio
Engineering".

Lennie did no wrong, Lennie could DO no wrong.

That only covers one time period at one facility. Len tells us he has
worked a lot of places over a long period of time. One
less-than-stellar job does not a career ruin.

Tsk. "Less-than-stellar."

Yes.

Perhaps the report is true. Perhaps it isn't. Even if true, it is the opinion
of just one person at just one place and time.

Do you think one such report somehow discredits an entire career?

Oh, I NEVER said it "ruined" his whole career.

As a matter fo fact, I believe I have complimented Lennie on having had
enough common sense to invest what he did earn wisely.

Would be a shame to think that all those coat tails he rode were for
nothing!

I completed a career, don't have to put in regular hours anymore.

So what? Does that somehow make you more qualified to set amateur radio
policy
than those still working "regular hours"?

Unless I'm mistaken, Dave Heil, K8MN, completed a career and is now retired.
And he did it in a lot less years than you did, Len. Plus he was in the US
military and in government service - and an active radio amateur.

By your logic, he's more qualified to determine amateur radio policy than
you.

Not to mention you can mention Dave's name and call in Amateur circles and
people know of whom you speak and of his reputation.

Not so with Lennie.

Don't you just HATE it when someone ruins your ranting? :-)

It appears you do....

We've had him by "the short hairs" ever since he blasted off the "CV"
with his Pennsylvania references in it.

And you KNOW that's got to hurt!

Tsk. Radio physics must have changed in Jimmie's fantasy ham
world. "Kay-tee-delta-eff" is still there as the major sensitivity
limiter for all other radios (aka "Johnson noise" or whatever anyone
wants to call random, above-absolute-zero noise voltage in
components).

I know all about that. Has nothing to do with phase noise as has been
discussed
here.

It also has nothing to do with the noise generated by Lennie himself.

NO FCC staffer or commissioner is required to have any amateur
radio license.

So what? You're not part of the FCC - and you never have been.

I wonder what Lennie thinks this means...?!?!

Like it or no, the FCC still does NOT require any staffer or
commissioner to hold an amateur radio license in order to regulate
U.S. ham radio.

But it *does* require them to be qualified according to the standards of the
FCC. You're not qualified that way. And you're not on the FCC, and never have
been.

Don't you just HATE it when someone brings reality into a simple
little rant you have?

You sure seem to have a lot of hate, Len.

He doesn, doesn't he...???

He's a very vile and repulsive person.

And I use "person" loosely.

The central issue is whether his proposed changes would help or hurt
the ARS. I say they would hurt the ARS.

The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) will be fatally hurt by
removal of the code test for any ham license.

It will be the End of The World As They Know It. Bye....

Is that what you want?

Of course it is.

Just bugs the bee-jeebers out of His Lameness that there are almost 3/4
million Americans who can do at any given moment what he only fantasiszes
about.

Shame is that he could be ONE of them with only 30 minutes of time
invested.

I still say he just hasn't got the intestinal fortitude to do it. A
coward.

IMNSHO.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Dave Heil wrote:
William wrote:

Firstly, this isn't a "radio-related" newsgroup.

But it is.


No, it isn't. Read statement below:


It is an "amateur

radio-related" newsgroup.

Please try to keep up. Notice the second "R" in RRAP? Amateur radio
is radio related.


This is not a general interest radio newsgroup.

Whooaaaaa there! While you guys are arguing minutia, I just have to
note that William is taking an exact opposite argument than he does with
his "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" line. While in that case,
he takes Steve's statement and makes a *strict* interpretation in order
to make Steve appear wrong, in this case, when speaking of rrap, he uses
a *much* looser interpretation.

Actually, when put like that, I would say that MARS is radio related
and Amateur Radio is radio related. There is a connection, however,
one is not the other.

Loose interpretation is that rrap is a Radio group. (which I agree with)

Cool.

Strict interpretation is that being an "Amateur Radio" newsgroup it
isn't strictly speaking a "radio only" newsgroup.

I'll reserve comment until you develop that idea a little further.

Just in case anyone is giving points out for consistency!

- Mike KB3EIA -

Steve is consistently wrong.

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/10/2004 3:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I DID prove that you had "forgotten" what YOU had stated only a couple
days previously. That's archived in YOUR post.

You only proved that you cannot get the attributions correct. I never
said what you claim I said. That was another poster.

Best of luck.

Nice try, Brain.

Sheeeeesh.

Steve, K4YZ

"Sandie" tushie@3394 wrote in message ...
Len. Ever so smug.

The rest is rhetoric.

Hello David.

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/10/2004 3:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

No...I have embarrassed you and proven you to be the charlatan that
you
are.

The reverse is true.

I am sure you wish it was.

Sucks to be you.

You lack the strength of conviction to sign your real name or Amateur
call
to your postings here, and you certainly lack the strength of character to
face
ANYone who challenges your sense of impropiety.

Do you say the same things about Smartguard and Quite fine?

I have. Where were you?

You're a coward in person or behind the keyboard.

You are a bully in any mode.

If you say so...But then you say a LOT of things that are blatantly false,
patently deceptive, and outright lies.

You've done it over and over for several years now.

How do you expect ANYone to take you serious THIS time, Brain?

Whether or not I'm at Dayton will be a mystery to you.

No it won't.

Yes, it will.

Nope. But you keep that thought in mind if it keeps you warm
Brain...Just
keep saying to yourself "...he doesn't know I am here...he doesn't know I
am
here...he doesn't know I am here..."

Where was I this weekend?

We weren't talking about this weekend, now were we, Brain?

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" in any context is simply
wrong.

No, it's not.

Yup, it is.

=)

Keep repeating it to yourself, Brain...over and over and over and
over........

Your bad spelling leaves a lot of room for error.

No it doesn't. It leaves room for YOU to make excuses, but little room
for
"error".

It leaves room for your errors.

So far my only "errors" have been of the keyboard type.

Your's far exceed the virtual realm of this forum, Brain.

Anyone with the same Internet access that you or I enjoy can
immediately
verify what I have stated above. And to narrow it down a bit for anyone
who
cares, they can find my DXCC "enrollment" in the August 2000 listings.

Wow!

Yep. One more thing that someone else has that you don't.

And you still haven't explained how introducing any of my Yahoo!
discussion groups is germane to ANY discussion or argument here, Brain.
What's
up with that?

Your inability to get along with others. See below, *twice.* So you
had to form your own groups where only you can kick you off. Hi, hi!

Uh huh.

I belong to far more groups than the one's I have created.

And I still don't see you as a "subscriber" on any of them.

John K's group...THAT really hurt! Owie...Ooooie....

Ayup! I'ts all a part of your inferiority complex.

"Inferiority complex"...?!?!

Well, there ya go with yet another (incorrect) medical diagnosis and we
STILL have yet to see any reference to medical licensure from you.

Now...what does my "ownership" of several discussion groups have to
do
with YOUR patterns of lying and deceit...?!?! Still trying to figure
out
how
your "PuppetBoy" brain figured that they were somehow germane to the
discussion
about your online conduct.

Steve, K4YZ

It is your on-line conduct that is questionable. I was not kicked off
of any Yahoo group - you were. Doesn't play well with others.

See, I said it twice and you didn't read it once.

Sure I read it.

And your introduction of my non-Amateur Yahoo! groups is still not
germane.

John "banned" me from his list not from anything said or done there, but
from his inability to institutionalize his opinions upon me here. It was the
one and only action he could take. And considering some of the other "events"
that he's gotten himself into in the intervening years one can understand why I
have no loss of sleep for having been "banned" from his list.

A list that, I believe, no long exists.

Mine are in fine shape.

Are you in -autoreply- mode?

No.

Are you in the auto-ignore mode?

No luck needed, Brain.

Tons of it.

You still haven't figured out WHO it is that needs the help, Brain.

Sucks to be you.

John "kicked me off" of his Yahoo (then OneList) group for what went
on in
THIS forum, not anything that was said or transpired there. That was his
one
and only way of being "one up" on someone.

Everybody out to "get" Steve. So sad.

Nope. Just John seeking to get some personal satisfaction from NOT being
able to force his opinions on others.

Do you think I should ask the State of Ohio to revoke your driver's
license just becasue you like to lie and make up storiews on RRAP...?!?!

I think you should.

I wish I could. It would be the least I could do to limit society's
inadvertant exposure to you.

You will be welcomed on any of my Yahoo! forums under the very same
rules
that apply to any of the other subscribers to each...There's no flaming,
there's certainly no name calling, and the conversations, with extremely
rare
exception, are directly relevent to the character of the group.

Then you would find yourself kicked off of your own group. Hi, hi!

You're welcome to read back through the archives of them all, Brain, and
then being an example of such to THIS forum.

I'll give you a week, since ER-Nurses has something like 6,000 posts on
it.

Except you make the rules and kick people off.

So far, it's not been necessary...The only people "kick(ed) off" ANY of
those groups has been the occassional SPAM that made it through. I've since
placed firewalls to protect that.

Again, you are welcomed to peruse the archives.

The lack of credible response in the form of a citeable post will be yet
proof enough that what you insists happens does, indeed, NOT happen.

"I am in Control!" Al Haig after the Reagan assassination attempt.

If you need to be, Brain, we will let YOU be "in control".

I am sure you have envisioned yourself "in control" of this forum on more
than one occassion...Like right now, for example.

I know those three rules will be hard for you to tolerate, but consider it
nurturing.

Steve, K4YZ

You? Nurturing?

Hardly.

About like your "I am teaching you a lesson" post of a week ago, Brain.
Except in this case you can't escape the archives.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 10/11/2004 8:43 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Again, The half of theLennie/PuppetBoy duo needs to get his noiserubbed in
yet another of his errors.

Sorry for the lengthy re-quote...for those who would care to see where
Brian Burke has yet again established himself as Court Jester and Liar Supreme
of the NG, just slide to the bottom.

What a PUTZ.

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/10/2004 3:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I DID prove that you had "forgotten" what YOU had stated only a
couple
days previously. That's archived in YOUR post.

You only proved that you cannot get the attributions correct. I never
said what you claim I said. That was another poster.

Best of luck.

And again..we requote, with attrubutes INTACT:

(William) wrote in message
. com...

Steve, the truth is in this message. Best of Luck.

You're right.

The TRUTH is in the message.

I hate re-quoting yards and yards of stuff just for requoting's sake, but
I left everything here in tact up to the comment in question:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARS License Numbers
From: (William)
Date: 9/18/2004 4:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Sorry if it irritates or otherwise annoys you, but that's the
price you
pay for "freedom of speech"...Having to also endure others "free
speech",
whether you like it or not.
Yes, you do irritate and annoy me. You are like that; an annoyance
and irritant. Like a bug. Jim much less so. He actually has
something to say on occassion.

Well then, you FINALLY are getting the point.

You're irritating too. But for different reasons.

I irritate you because I refuse to take your lies and deceit.

How can you? From a veteran of "seven hostile actions?"

I irritate you because I refuse to take your mistruths and deceit.

You irritate me because you lie.

Not in his fantasyland. Only in reality.


But you go beyond irritance and annoyance. You make references to
homosexuality and pedophilia, and pseudo-threaten bricks/windows and
slashes/tires and terrorist acts on wives.

Quoting out of context again for that "slam-dunk" effect...

I've said it before to no effect, so you're lying again.

Prove the "slam-dunk" effect.

He can't use a net. He'll "call authoritities" because he has
"professional qualifications" to have authorities come and pick
us up (in a net, one supposes) and that is that. In his fantasy.

Wish we could hook up his brain to a TIVO and record 40 hours of
fantasy. I'd call Stephen King and work out a deal.

Not needed. LOTS of producers will be willing to negotiate now
that the Emmys are over. The Writer-Producers Guild combined
investment building is on Hollywood Way close to the Magnolia
intersection...just a whoop and a holler from my place. :-)

Better than trying to sell a "security camera taping." :-)

You're a Peach.

I prefer apples and strawberries, actually.

"Thier" not fuzzy.

A Gem.

Cubic Zhirconium, perhaps.

Definitely an imposter passing himself off as legitimate.

A true Ambassador of Amateur Radio.

When I am participating in Amateur Radio, I am.

Then you are two-faced.

You forgot the other kind of face... :-)

You would make Riley proud.

He's never had to send me "pink slip", Brian, so why wouldn't
I...???

If he did would you try it on?

Might be able to sell a videotape of THAT as well...(smaller market,
but a profitable one...) Hi hi.

Perhaps your actions aren't enforceable, but merely distasteful.

Maybe he buys his own pink slips at the lingerie department?

I'm waiting for the Victoria's Secret Christmas spetchal. We might
get a glimpse of our CAP Air Ace in pink. ;))

Might even have it in the Abercrombie & Snitch catalog, too! :-)

Ham of the Year material.

As opposed to someone who lies about what a big DX operator he
is...?!?!
Maybe so, but I doubt it.

Go easy on Dave, he's well liked in the DX community and you'll just
bring a ton of scorn upon yourself for taking such a tact.

How quickly they turn upon each other... tsk.

Like Dingo's.

Oh, the snarling and anger...! :-)

So when I asked, "Jim, when did we lose the code test?" you felt
compelled to answer as if you were Jim?

Did I sign my post "N2EY"...? Did I say I was Jim?

Yet, I asked, "Jim, ..."

And you answered. And answered incorrectly, I might add.

"Strike twoooooo!"

He will call the Umpire "wrong." Then cuss the Ump out. :-)

But you answered incorrectly. We still have a code exam. Jim could
have told you that since he is incapable of lying (he knows he'll burn
in hell for lying, and you know you're already in hell, so what's the
diff?).

I am in hell?

It is obvious that you are tormented by devils.

Only inside his head.

What is it that you have to atone for?

To take a page from -your- playbook, "homosexuality, pedophilia,
bricks, slashed tires, spousal terrorism?" All assertions that you
have made right here on R.R.A.P. coming back to haunt you.

Sucks to be you? Yeh, I'd say so.

He denies those. He "never said them!" Except he did and were
seen by many. yawn

But it's no big deal to them.

The PCTA extra Double Standard! It's alive and well in here.

I don't think so...Thankfully I wake up next to W5AMY...Not YOU.

Who dat?

From QRZ.com:

"Callsign: W5AMY Class: Technician Codes: HVIE USA
Name: AMELIA J ROBESON
Addr1: 151 12TH AVE NW
Addr2: WINCHESTER, TN 37398
Country: USA
Effective: 29 May 2003 Expires: 03 Oct 2010
FRN: 0003911245 What's this?
FCC: ULS Listing
Lookups: 329
Update / Renew License

*******************
QSL Mgr: K4CAP
*******************

Hi, hi!

K4CAP is Kaput! Oop-sai-yo!

"QSL manager?" Wonder if he censors her mail, too?

Previously: KD6IJB
Coordinates: 35.188876 -86.111111
County: Franklin
Grid: EM75hi
Area Code: 931
GMT Offset: -6
Time Zone: Central
Has DST?: Y
Birthday: 21 Jan 1964"

End QRZ quote.

She'll be proud and thankful of you for dragging her into your
R.R.A.P. sickness.

Is she a psychologist?

What is her AOL screen name? ?

Tsk. Second time around. ["strike twooooo" :-) ]

I wonder if 151 12th Ave. NW has sturdy windows? Like enough to
resist bricks? :-)

And I keep telling Jim that you cannot help yourself from having to
respond to every posting, but he doesn't believe it. Yet you prove it
over and over again!

And again.

And he doesn't believe it. No matter how many
times you prove it over and over again, he just doesn't believe it.

Why should he?

And again.

It's not true.

And again.

It wasn't true yesterday, and it's not true today.

And again.

I do not respond to "every posting"...Not yours, Not Lennie's, not
Jim's
nor anyone elses.

And again.

You have uttered yet ANOTHER mistruth.

And again.

One needs to use macros to "reply" to some... :-)

A-yup!

Ayup indeed... :-)

I think the both of you are dysfunctional.

Why?

Because we challenge your frequent errors and omissions?

Because you have no choice but to respond. You're incapable of not
responding.

Compulsive obsessionists. Tsk.

Loggins and Messina got it right, "Twin Brothers of Insane Mothers."

Best of Luck.

No luck needed here, Brian.

Luck into someone with real medical training in mental illness. Jim's
not up to the task no matter his best intentions.

Jimmie isn't? Gosh, I thought he knew EVERYTHING, what's "right"
and what's "wrong."

This sickness is just a little out of Jim's league.

Nonsense. Jimmie know ALL, especially who is "wrong" and who is
"right." One doesn't need to ask him, he tell all... :-)

Tsk. Another illusion shattered...

[pass the Angostura... :-) ]



Hey Len, I've been holding the fort down for a few days - with one
hand tied behind my back. I can't believe how easy it's been. Steve
drags his wife into this, Dave thinks CQ is a membership organization,
and Kelly want to get me on the air so he can bend me over. Maybe
I'll postpone pulling a Cecil for a little while longer.

"...and Kelly want to get me on the air so he can bend me over."
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sheeeeeesh.

What an idiot.

Steve, K4YZ