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(William) writes:

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In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

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(N2EY) writes:

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PAMNO
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So...was all this "phase noise" invisible way back in the
1990 time? It didn't exist?

That you didn't read the published material does not mean that the
material did not exist. The synthesizer phase noise issue was debated
well before 1990.

It is referred to in QST product reviews of ~20 years ago.

Thus the tube radio. No synthesizer. What a wunderful way around it.
Hi, hi!

Ever see a mention of "phase noise" causing all the front end noise
in receivers back 20 years ago? :-)

Nope. Just plain old "kay-tee-delta-eff" random noise. That's still
around, still the limiting factor in sensitivity.

Jimmie, putting on his "kluge clothes," said that "phase noise" is
THE limiting factor in receiver sensitivity. He has two degrees and
is a PCTA extra...no one can argue with him. :-)

It only came up when a frequency
synthesizer was incorporated? :-)

Synthesizers were in wide use prior to 1990.

Extreme wide use.

The phase noise issue
became important as synthesizer circuits became common in transceivers.

The phase noise issue became an issue with the first synthesizer
circuit.

I'll invite to read up on the subject.

Ditto.

I've provided several urls.

Ho ho!

There are numerous other sources of information on the subject. Why not
avail yourself of some of them?

Compare the transmitted noise spectra of an SG2020, Elecraft K2, and K1.
Guess
where that noise comes from?

Synthesizer circuits?

Tsk. Apparently random noise at the input has disappeared with
the advent of the frequency synthesizers. :-)

R70s were made 1982-84 (approximately), so the design is at least 23
years old (1981). You frequenctly denigrate others as "behind the
times", yet the R70 is the newest/most modern piece of HF radio
equipment you mention owning. Just another example of "do as Len says,
not as Len does".

That little Icom R-70 still works fine, as advertised.

While I doubt that the receiver functions as advertised, I have no
trouble believing that it works as designed.

Ya missed the point.

Ooops!

Other designs are criticized because of age - but not the R-70. Guess why.

Schindler?

Nah. Jimmie knows I have an Icom R-70. THAT is the reason for
his diatribe.

Doesn't matter what the model is, if I have it, it must be no good! :-)

I've got one. You don't. :-)

Don't want one. If somebody gave me one, I'd sell it.

And do what with the money?

Buy running shoes? Almost anything but buy a (hack, ptui)
ready-built ham radio! :-)

I'm sure it is quite a nice piece of equipment for the casual SWL. I'm
happy for you.

Happiness abounds in RRAP!

Only among the mighty macho morsemen...

The only thing I "recycled" was some paper to get one in working
order. :-)

I recall you mentioning that. "Cash" wasn't it? Use of a credit card
would have muddied the waters.

I paid cash for all the parts in the Type 7....

What? No TV transformer yoke?

...or the color burst crystal. :-)


"Phase noise" wasn't a big buzzword then. It has a three-loop
PLL in it plus a microcontroller. Sensitivity is still good and
comparable with any contemporary HF receiver.

"Phase noise" wasn't a big buzz word in the Icom engineering and sales
bunch. Elsewhere, the use of the term was already common.

Like amongst hams.

Like with the first synthesized circuit radios???

And of course, those very first synthisized circuit radios were ham
radios!

Hi, hi!

Jimmie has wide experience in all radio...comes from "serving
his country" by having a ham license and reading all those QSTs
stacked next to his kluge.

I've yet to get close to the concept of sitting around a shack
making as many contacts as possible in a given time as any
"sport."

It's called "competition".

Nope, it's called contesting.

Best of Luck.

Skill and endurance are certainly big factors in winning any amateur
radio contest.

Somebody's half-way awake. Missed the boat ont he sport concept.

He's not as good a sport as he pretends...


Neither is that activity "pioneering the ariwaves" nor
any sort of "training for emergencies" to reasonable-thinking
human beans.

Did you ask any? No claims for contests as pioneering the "ariwaves"
have been made. Any on-air activity which requires speedy, accurate
operation is good training for emergency situations.

Contest operation also points up the weak points in any radio station. The
contest and DX folks have pushed the need for better rigs for decades.

Where money is no object. I thought you guys were focused on
third-worlders who had to self-manufacture CW only circuits?
Wherethere is no money. Which is it?

They don't really know. The one they are sure of is that morse
code skill is the ultimate, the ne plus ultra, of all radio skill. Do
morse or be considered lesser. :-)

Like chess or checkers or board games, radio contesting is
a GAME.

So are all sports. Like the Olympic GAMES...

Messing with Steve is a game. Emergency comms is no game.

MARS is NOT Amateur Radio.

PCTA fantasy says it IS. Excuse me...IS. :-)

Jimmie "serves his country" by engaging in the hobby of ham
radio. He said so. We can't argue anything that he's said.

There are some similarities. A good strategy, playing within the rules

Rules

RULES???

Like copying the W1AW message the day before? Hello Kelly???

Hi, hi! These guys obey no rules.

They are the elite! Rules are for the other hams.

In one way, that's nice...we get to "eat cake" when we have no
bread.

Marie A. once said that, got so upset she lost her head...

and some luck are involved. No board games that I'm aware of require
putting up big antennas at height, putting together a radio station or
planning sleep breaks.

Why must you confine your "game" to board games???

Are road rally's played on a board?

PCTA fantasies are done in their heads.

Think car racing. Bicycle racing (Lance Armstrong wasn't riding a
three-speed
with baloon tires)

Allow Bill Sohl to speak of road rally's. If you dare.

It is FAR from an ATHLETIC sport.

Not if done correctly.

Let's see....I run as exercise and also a sport. Done two marathons and more
half-marathons, ten-milers, 10Ks and 5 milers than I can recall. Mike Coslo
is
a hockey player.

What sports do others participate in? ot as spectators!

Lying? Robeson leads.

That's a PCTA radiosport. :-)

You *do* sound just like him, Len. Lots of words and lots of put-downs
and lots of theory. But in terms of actual radios built on your own
time, with your own resources, from your own design....nada. Zip.
Zilch. Zero. Nothing. Not that anyone here knows about in all your
years and petabytes of posting.

If I had extra copies, I could, with a year or so off to do it,
digitize
those things and put them on a website that allowed at least 100
MB user space. That includes corporate documents (public)
along with photographs.

The challenge is for *homebrew* radio projects. Not stuff done for work.

Yet most of the HEROES of amateur radio were doing their heroic work
as PROFESSIONALS!!!

Explain.

Explain again!

Tsk. Jimmie NEVER said what HE does at his regular job. All he's
admitted to was in one Comment on one of the petitions at the FCC
that he is engaged in vehicular propulsion systems. That's all. No
details, just a general statement.

Well, Jimmie must do SUCH good work at work that he doesn't think
any of it is a challenge. Tsk. No enthusiasm shown for what he does
for a living.

The "challenge" is to build kluges in the shack and then try to get
everyone to admire and respect his work.

Not worth it, since the typical PCTA
extra "commentary" (to use a word very loosely) would be
totally derogatory.

You mean you fear reaping what you sow?

"We" only fear reaping what Steve sows. Spooky dood. Low-class
ideas.

No fear here. No pity either. Tsk.

My little text and photo memorabilia on the
ADA assignment takes 6 MB in PDF.

Did you design and build ADA on your own time, with your own resources?

Did you build the VE system on your own time, with your own resources?

Either HE did or he aligns hisself in the same league by virtue of the
document about a hobby he says is "service to the country!"

We can't argue with Homeland Security these days...





YOU have REJECTED simple things like a digitized license
repro in the past.

I didn't ask for it. I had already said I'd take your word that you had
one.

But you sent me*several* unsolicited emails with unknown attachments of
large
size. (Ever hear of compressing a file before sending?).

How was I to know what they were? I found out later that one attachement was
a
picture that contained male nudity. Not my cup of tea, so to speak.

Must have been right up Steve's foci!

"Male nudity?" In that nice aerial photo of a converted B-26 in flight
it is impossible to tell gender. :-)

You would be expected to reject anything I
present...as "credentials" or whatever real proof there is...and
there is a lot of it.

It's real simple, Len:

Pick an HF radio project that you did in your home workshop as a "hobby"
activity. Not something for work, or something you did as part of a group,
but
something you dreamed up and built yourself, just for the fun of it. Not
some
accessory, either - a complete receiver, transmitter or transceiver.

Put a picture and a short description on your AOL homepage, just like I did.
We
don't need megabytes or a long diatribe. Just a .jpg and a short
description.

My project is out there for all to see. Where's yours? Or are you too afraid
of
what others will say?

Was Fesseden's projects for amateur radio? Marconi?

All of the broadcasting stations I worked in all do AM by sticking a single
microphone in the antenna leads...NOT. :-)

All of the broadcasting stations I worked in all did morse code news...NOT.

Actually, I DO have enough material that could be digitized from various
employments (even has my picture in some of them), enough to fill at
least 100 MB of filespace. Why bother? Just to answer Jimmie's
so-called challenge? He thinks so. He says it enough to make it a
demand.

I DO have some pictures of stuff I've done personally, again enough to fill
lots of filespace. I'm even taking progress pictures as a couple projects
get done in various stages. For MY pleasure and maybe some ideas for a
very few others who I've known for some time.

I'm not out in any "competition" via websites appearance or that sort of
thing. I'm not out to garner admiration and respect through websites.

Jimmie got bent out of shape by not getting gushing admiration or
respect for his kluges built from tubes in the 1990s. Saying that the
photo shows neatness isn't enough. We were all supposed to applaud
and make gratuitous nine-nice noises?

As to the "ability to draw schematics from memory," I don't recall a
single design review meeting at work where a participant was NOT
able to recall schematics from memory...of their project, or others
projects that they were peripherally involved in. That includes ALL
details pertinent, such as environmental conditions, some mechanical
structural considerations and the like.


A federal REGULATION requiring morse code testing in order
to get an AMATEUR license to operate on HF is NOT
"live and let live."

Yes, it is.

It is not. No other AMERICAN radio service requires such.

To the PCTA extra, the ONLY way to be American is to take the
code test...like THEY did.

Ho hum.


Would you mind saying that just one more time for the record?

Please don't encourage the guru of here...Jimmie will bust a gut
writing and writing and writing and writing "truth" (as only he knows).


And all PCTA's are actually against doing away with the code test on
the ground that it will diminish their status as "REAL Hams."

That is IT in a nutshell. Quintescense of their existace. :-)

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:


Asinine from to bottom. Do yourself a big favor Burke. GROW UP.

He did. I did. Now it's your turn. What's taking you so long?

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/7/2004 6:33 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/5/2004 6:28 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,

More tsk. My choice of residence location is NOT primarily
motivated by any slavering desire to erect a radio station of
any kind.

Great. It looks like you've got your wish.

Ahhhhhh! But he CAN report to us on the VHF navaids from LAX! Oh
joy!

Some people are into that...

After thinking about it, it makes sense....The ATIS and AWOS systems
repeat the same thing over and over and over...Kinda like Lennie's posts.

True!

Tsk. Jimmie has ALL that "experience" on civil airways to "qualify" his
comments. That's just like all his "experience" in the space business.

Jimmie should make an AOL homepage describing all his space
adventures. It's real easy to do and AOL has free software to do it.

:-)

I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our lives
can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating.

Again, not the issue.

Sure it is, Jim!

No, it isn't.

Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the
802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and
railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement
somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and
regs in *amateur* radio?

Ham radio regulations are to be regulated SOLELY by hams?

Tsk. FCC do dat. For EVERY civil radio service. It's the law.

But hum raddio is "different." :-)

Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive
and useful than anything Amateurs do.

Where did he do that?

What I have seen is numerous verbose listings of his employers, and
projects he was part of. That's all.

Yes, I've named employers and some work done. I was there and
did those things.

Where did Jimmie do his engineering work on radio?

I want to know WHAT it was he thinks he
did that is so useful? What is in my home or what do I use on a daily basis
that has HIS direct participation in that I can't do without?

Don't hold yer breath!

Tsk. There's NOTHING about what either one of you has done that
affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip.

Lennie's "contribution" to radio was getting coffee for and staying out of
the way of the REAL radio professionals as they did REAL engineering and
design work.

How do you know that, Steve?

From the opinions of someone who knew him and worked in the same facility
as he.

OK - let's say, just for the point of discussion, that your source is
right on the money.

Just for the point of the discussion consider that nursie is a LIAR.

Nursie has NO such name. That individual is a fabrication of his
fantasy world.

Nursie CAN'T name any names becuase no such person exists.

That only covers one time period at one facility. Len tells us he has
worked a lot of places over a long period of time. One
less-than-stellar job does not a career ruin.

Tsk. "Less-than-stellar." :-)

I completed a career, don't have to put in regular hours anymore.

Don't you just HATE it when someone ruins your ranting? :-)

Besides - it's not the issue.

It is as long as Lennie keeps trying to throw his "professional" weight
around.

No, it isn't.

It seems to be nursie's core of existance in this newsgroup. :-)


In Len's case we have an extreme example:

[in Jimmie's case he is the "stellar example" of what a "real ham" is]

He's never had an amateur radio license

True.

Never worked as any sort of licensed radio operator in any other radio
service

WRONG. INCORRECT. ERROR!

Never been involved in radio regulatory matters other than writing
voluminous comments to FCC,

Tsk. Jimmie hasn't been any sort of radio regulator.

Never manufactured or designed any equipment for hams

Did Jimmie do dat? :-)

Hasn't written an article or done a visible project in amateur radio
circles for more than 22 years

I quit going around in circles. :-)

And by his numerous mistakes in his postings here, doesn't really know
that much about what hams actually do on the radio in the first place.
(Note his continuing non-understanding of why phase noise is an issue
for HF hams).

My visa for Fantasy Island has expired, don't know what "hams
actually do on the radio in the first place" because I couldn't
possibly be first place. All I can do is hear them. | snore |

Tsk. Radio physics must have changed in Jimmie's fantasy ham
world. "Kay-tee-delta-eff" is still there as the major sensitivity
limiter for all other radios (aka "Johnson noise" or whatever anyone
wants to call random, above-absolute-zero noise voltage in
components).

Jimmie's ham world doesn't have buzzwords. It has only the most
modern of things. Like kluge-looking transceivers built from recycled
parts and tubes in the 1990s.

Yet he tries to tell us that his professional background somehow makes
him more qualified than to determine *amateur radio* policy than any
of us hams.

NOBODY can tell a PCTA extra ANYTHING! :-)

THEY rule amateur radio! [the FCC is just a federal agency, not
involved?]

NO FCC staffer or commissioner is required to have any amateur
radio license.

It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how
the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships
should determine policy for sailboats.

Riiiight, Tiger. Good luck on your new marriage and PGA next year.

The entire argument is faulty.

PCTA extras enoble themselves to sit on "judge" benches. :-)

It's not an issue of whether Len is/was
a "hotshot" but rather how valid his arguments are.

Jimmie says everything I say is "wrong" and "in error." :-)

Well, it's hard to argue with someone who "serves his country" by
engaging in the hobby of ham radio...

The rest is diversion and bafflegab.

It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how
the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships
should determine policy for sailboats.

Tsk, despite saying that twice, the point wasn't made.

Like it or no, the FCC still does NOT require any staffer or
commissioner to hold an amateur radio license in order to regulate
U.S. ham radio.

Don't you just HATE it when someone brings reality into a simple
little rant you have?

The central issue is whether his proposed changes would help or hurt
the ARS. I say they would hurt the ARS.

The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) will be fatally hurt by
removal of the code test for any ham license.

It will be the End of The World As They Know It. Bye....

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (N2EY)
Date: 10/8/2004 11:30 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our
lives
can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating.

Again, not the issue.

Sure it is, Jim!

No, it isn't.

Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the
802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and
railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement
somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and
regs in *amateur* radio?

We're not talking about any other person, Jim.

Just one.

One that makes a point of being antagonistic and deceitful.

Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive
and useful than anything Amateurs do.

Where did he do that?

You're kidding, right? Which one of thousands of posts shall we refer
to...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (N2EY)
Date: 10/8/2004 11:30 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our
lives
can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating.

Again, not the issue.

Sure it is, Jim!

No, it isn't.

Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the
802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and
railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement
somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and
regs in *amateur* radio?

We're not talking about any other person, Jim.

Just one.

Why should different rules apply?

One that makes a point of being antagonistic and deceitful.

Look beyond that for a moment. Consider my question again:

Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the
802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and
railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement
somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and
regs in *amateur* radio?

Yes or no or something else?

Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive
and useful than anything Amateurs do.

Where did he do that?

You're kidding, right? Which one of thousands of posts shall we refer
to...?!?!

Pick some...

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/7/2004 6:33 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/5/2004 6:28 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,

More tsk. My choice of residence location is NOT primarily
motivated by any slavering desire to erect a radio station of
any kind.

Great. It looks like you've got your wish.

Ahhhhhh! But he CAN report to us on the VHF navaids from LAX! Oh
joy!

Some people are into that...

After thinking about it, it makes sense....The ATIS and AWOS systems
repeat the same thing over and over and over...Kinda like Lennie's posts.

True!

I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our
lives
can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating.

Again, not the issue.

Sure it is, Jim!

No, it isn't.

Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the
802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and
railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement
somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and
regs in *amateur* radio?

Ham radio regulations are to be regulated SOLELY by hams?

"You can not answer a question with another question"

Tsk. FCC do dat. For EVERY civil radio service. It's the law.

You're not the FCC, Len. Also not a ham.

But hum raddio is "different." :-)

What is "hum raddio"?

Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive
and useful than anything Amateurs do.

Where did he do that?

What I have seen is numerous verbose listings of his employers, and
projects he was part of. That's all.

Yes, I've named employers and some work done. I was there and
did those things.

Good for you, Len!

Where did Jimmie do his engineering work on radio?

Why does that matter?

I want to know WHAT it was he thinks he
did that is so useful? What is in my home or what do I use on a daily
basis
that has HIS direct participation in that I can't do without?

Don't hold yer breath!

Tsk. There's NOTHING about what either one of you has done that
affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip.

Then we're even, because there's nothing *you* have done that
affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip.

Lennie's "contribution" to radio was getting coffee for and staying out
of
the way of the REAL radio professionals as they did REAL engineering and
design work.

How do you know that, Steve?

From the opinions of someone who knew him and worked in the same facility
as he.

OK - let's say, just for the point of discussion, that your source is
right on the money.

Just for the point of the discussion consider that nursie is a LIAR.

Why?

And who is "nursie"?

Can you not tolerate a hypothetical discussion, Len? It seems that way.

Nursie has NO such name. That individual is a fabrication of his
fantasy world.

How do you know?

Nursie CAN'T name any names becuase no such person exists.

Prove it!

Do you really expect us to believe that over decades long "vareer in radio
electronics", that there is not a single person you encountered who would say
what has been claimed?

That only covers one time period at one facility. Len tells us he has
worked a lot of places over a long period of time. One
less-than-stellar job does not a career ruin.

Tsk. "Less-than-stellar." :-)

Yes.

Perhaps the report is true. Perhaps it isn't. Even if true, it is the opinion
of just one person at just one place and time.

Do you think one such report somehow discredits an entire career?

I completed a career, don't have to put in regular hours anymore.

So what? Does that somehow make you more qualified to set amateur radio policy
than those still working "regular hours"?

Unless I'm mistaken, Dave Heil, K8MN, completed a career and is now retired.
And he did it in a lot less years than you did, Len. Plus he was in the US
military and in government service - and an active radio amateur.

By your logic, he's more qualified to determine amateur radio policy than you.

Don't you just HATE it when someone ruins your ranting? :-)

It appears you do....

Besides - it's not the issue.

It is as long as Lennie keeps trying to throw his "professional" weight
around.

No, it isn't.

It seems to be nursie's core of existance in this newsgroup. :-)

"Nursie"?

In Len's case we have an extreme example:

[in Jimmie's case he is the "stellar example" of what a "real ham" is]

Thank you, Len.

He's never had an amateur radio license

True.

Never worked as any sort of licensed radio operator in any other radio
service

WRONG. INCORRECT. ERROR!

Why the shouting?

If it's not correct, give is the info.

Where and when did you work as a licensed radio operator, Len? And in what
radio service?

Never been involved in radio regulatory matters other than writing
voluminous comments to FCC,

Tsk. Jimmie hasn't been any sort of radio regulator.

Not the issue.

Never manufactured or designed any equipment for hams

Did Jimmie do dat? :-)

Not the issue either.

Hasn't written an article or done a visible project in amateur radio
circles for more than 22 years

I quit going around in circles. :-)

And by his numerous mistakes in his postings here, doesn't really know
that much about what hams actually do on the radio in the first place.
(Note his continuing non-understanding of why phase noise is an issue
for HF hams).

My visa for Fantasy Island has expired,

I've never had one...

don't know what "hams
actually do on the radio in the first place" because I couldn't
possibly be first place. All I can do is hear them. | snore |

Can you?

Tsk. Radio physics must have changed in Jimmie's fantasy ham
world. "Kay-tee-delta-eff" is still there as the major sensitivity
limiter for all other radios (aka "Johnson noise" or whatever anyone
wants to call random, above-absolute-zero noise voltage in
components).

I know all about that. Has nothing to do with phase noise as has been discussed
here.

Jimmie's ham world doesn't have buzzwords. It has only the most
modern of things. Like kluge-looking transceivers built from recycled
parts and tubes in the 1990s.

It is interesting that you are hung up on appearance and parts origins rather
than how well something works.

Yet he tries to tell us that his professional background somehow makes
him more qualified than to determine *amateur radio* policy than any
of us hams.

NOBODY can tell a PCTA extra ANYTHING! :-)

THEY rule amateur radio! [the FCC is just a federal agency, not
involved?]

NO FCC staffer or commissioner is required to have any amateur
radio license.

So what? You're not part of the FCC - and you never have been.

It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how
the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships
should determine policy for sailboats.

Riiiight, Tiger. Good luck on your new marriage and PGA next year.

The entire argument is faulty.

PCTA extras enoble themselves to sit on "judge" benches. :-)

No, that's you, Len.

It's not an issue of whether Len is/was
a "hotshot" but rather how valid his arguments are.

Jimmie says everything I say is "wrong" and "in error." :-)

Well, it's hard to argue with someone who "serves his country" by
engaging in the hobby of ham radio...

The rest is diversion and bafflegab.

It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how
the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships
should determine policy for sailboats.

Tsk, despite saying that twice, the point wasn't made.

Show us where it's not a valid statement, then. I'm on the outside looking in
when it comes to the LPGA and sailboat policy. You're on the outside looking in
when it comes to both amateur radio and the FCC.

Like it or no, the FCC still does NOT require any staffer or
commissioner to hold an amateur radio license in order to regulate
U.S. ham radio.

But it *does* require them to be qualified according to the standards of the
FCC. You're not qualified that way. And you're not on the FCC, and never have
been.

Don't you just HATE it when someone brings reality into a simple
little rant you have?

You sure seem to have a lot of hate, Len.

The central issue is whether his proposed changes would help or hurt
the ARS. I say they would hurt the ARS.

The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) will be fatally hurt by
removal of the code test for any ham license.

It will be the End of The World As They Know It. Bye....

Is that what you want?

"Kim" wrote in message om...
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...

Actually, this one should have been "This is not a 'radio-related'..."
and it isn't. This newsgroup concerns amateur radio policy, not
broadcast radio policy, Citizens Band radio policy, GMS radio policy or
general radio policy. You can try making this into a "Sorry, Hans.
Mars is" argument but I'm not buying it.


Ummmm, Dave? Seems you've not only bought the argument, but you're pretty
much leading it. Of course, after all your tirades about me, seems the only
thing I've seen from you since I started reviewing the group again, is,
arguments. And, ya can't blame it on me, because I haven't been here.

Class? PAH!!!!

Kim W5TIT

Yup. That's our World Renowned DXer. Unhappy in any mode.