In article ,
(Mechanical Man) writes:


Right on the money. As if Sweetums ever sank dime one of his own wad
one into any "station he operated".

WRONG. INCORRECT. ERROR!

PLMRS VHF two-way, base and mobiles, as part of a partnership...
which required a helluva lot more than a "dime." :-)

Tsk.

Fact is that he wouldn't have done
any of it if us taxpayers hadn't paid him to do it . . . Hell, we even
paid him to trudge thru the University of Monmouth Vo-Tech Division.

What do you mean "we paid," Kellie?

Were you a "taxpayer" in 1952? How much did you actually pay ME?
:-)

Well, isn't that so terrible...a citizen volunteers for military duty and
serves honorably, then some arrogant elitist comes along and
calls all such for "drudges." His noble, elite, royal self was TOO
GOOD for any such menial task such as defending this country.

God forbid any HARM that might come to blessed royalty such as
his noble self from actually SERVING his country!

It was at the Fort Monmouth, NJ, Signal School, not a "university."
As a member of the United States Army.

Feel free to continue looking down your noble, royal nose at
veterans who volunteered. No problem. You won't change, not
even if you get all the peasants to eat cake instead of hard-to-get
bread. Madame la Guillotine will have the cure.

Meanwhile, go ahead, continue to damn the peasantry. Isn't it
awful that the "peasantry" have freedom of speech? Tsk.


Sponge. Bleh!

Ooooooo...the ELITE speak against the "drudges!"


You do your things, I add my things and we get the job done. But
Sweetums can do it ALL . . . of course his history proves otherwise.

Tsk. "My history" disproves Kellie's ASSumptions.

But...he is of the nobility, the elite, and doesn't recognize "drudges"
who worked for a salary. :-)


Lemmee know when you get yer home installation of Microstation to spit
out the plane and torsional moments of inertia of a tower section.

...and don't forget to inform everyone that MECHANICAL elements
of antennas are MUCH MORE important than any menial
electrical "drudge" characteristics.

Why don't you two sweetums move this to private e-mail? Or are
you bound and determined to turn this public-access newsgroup
into a cozy little private chat room suitable only for PCTA extras?

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

. . . some of those "works of art" before I dumstered all that
old crap. I have a yen now to build a couple more widgets using
homebrewed PCBs but so far I have not been able to find the board
stock or chemicals in hobby quantities.

Go to FAR Circuits for a huge collection of PCBs available for
all those magazine article projects. Ready-made wiring. FAR
is run by a ham.

I'm aware of FAR and the boards they offer, nice stuff, quite
affordable and they can save a lot of drudgery. But I'd still like to
burn a few of my own from scratch just for the helluvait.

Don't keep old "crap." Save that to toss at NCTAs in
newsgroups.

snore

The 74192 and other TTL family chips were hot stuff 30 years ago when
I was doing that project. You can still get pin-compatible parts
today.

I fed the aformentioned dumpster a *shoebox* full of those old 7400
series chips . . .

Tsk. Well, if you don't know how to use them, toss 'em.

Nah. Just about everything radio in that heap which was more than
twenty years old landed in the dumpster on general principles.

Riiiight...Millen dials, J.W.Miller coil forms, Hammarlund
variables, WW2 surplus items, tubes...all "over twenty years
old!" :-)

You are PCTA extra royalty. Save the TUBES, recycle 'em into
world-beating contest-quality radios to win all those accolades!

I already gave 'em to Miccolis, ALL of 'em. 'Cept for the NOS Eimac
3-500Z. I'll prolly make a lamp out of it.

Do you have sufficient knowledge of electricity to wire it up?

Don't you have to be QUALIFIED to meet the electrical code?

That leaves Sweetums and his half-vast "experience" out. Long-haul
military HF comms are channelized and if a station is weak they just
twist the Variac clockwise. 40kW with rhombics just to push RTTY from
Tokyo to the west coast . . SPARE me . . !

You "know" all about military communications?

Absolutely not. Nor do I give a rat's patooie about military comms
gear.

Riiiight...but you KNOW all about what the U.S. military DOES,
don't you? [you've demonstrated that in here before...]

Of course you do.
You were of the royalty that was never IN.

Right again.

That military service was for "drudge" citizens, not for the nobility
whose bodies were far too precious to waste defending their
country... tsk, tsk.

You've never worn an AN/PRC-104 HF manpack raddio, have you?

Have you?

Yes, as a civilian!

on the SGC 2020...

I hate to bust yer bubble again Sweetums but they're all over the ham
bands used mostly by the "pack radio" crowd. Nice rugged little
minimalist's xcvr but somewhat lacking in rcvr basic performance.

Awwww...not up to Kellie's mighty standards? Tsk.

Are you in the tRoll opinion against the "shack on the belt crowd?"

"Minimalist?" It does SSB very well. It includes a lot of self-
check features as standard.

Maybe you want a "top of the line contester" transceiver that not
only has all the super selectivity and sensitivity to leap tall pileups
but also keeps the logs and prints out QSLs? All on battery power?
:-)


That's why Phil Smith came up with the Smith Chart back before
WW2. :-)

Not for designing antennas...for easing the work required by
Bell Telephone on long-distance transmission lines. Work that
required slide-rules and mechanical desk calculators (sometimes)
due to pocket calculators not being invented yet. :-)

I'm not new to slide rules and Fridens Sweetie, I had one of each on
my board back when I was designing catapults.

Riiiiight...lots of catapults used in ham radio of your yesterday,
huh? :-)


Tsk. You should use Roy Lewallen's EZNEC. Roy is a long-time
ham. EZNEC is advertised in QST.

Sweetums if you will kindly point out just where in EZNEC Roy provides
the ability to work thru antenna stress and deflection issues.

Ask Roy. I thought that YOU, as the super-duper mechanical man
would ALREADY KNOW what is needed! :-)

USN Postgraduate School folks came up with the Numerical
Electromagnetic Code (NEC) which is all free to anyone (no
copyright).

I'm not new to NEC either Sweetums, I have NEC2 two mouse clicks away
from here along with it's Nec Win Plus interface.

Riiiiiight...You are so schmardt in methods of moments theory...

Too bad the USN types at the "captain's table"
didn't mention that to you...

. . . in 1963??

Tsk. Didn't the USN use radio then?

Oh, yes, they used only morse code! Morse code gets through
when anything else does...

What DID you talk about? How "rough" the "war" was? Did YOU
have some "hostile actions" and collect a shoebox full of medals?

Oh, I AM sorry. I'm acting like a "drudge." I'm not supposed to
DO such things, being an NCTA and all. This newsgroup is
RESERVED for the PCTA extras, the elitists who meet to beat.

In article ,
(William) writes:

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
.net...
On 1 Oct 2004 20:05:47 -0700, William wrote:

Not limited to weather, however, the context -was- weather. I'll
allow you to slide on this one if you can produce licensure or
credentials in "metrology."

Any high school graduate who paid attention during the science
classes knows that -40F = -40C without having to calculate it.

Then perhaps any ole "radio clerk" might actually know a thing or two
about radio. Theoretically speaking, of course.

Folks have flunked out of first-year engineering and science classes
for less than that.

I don't doubt that. No one ever flunked out of weather school for
that simple equation.

What do they flunk out of law school for?

I'm guessing that it was for the wrong legal briefs they wore? :-)

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"William" wrote in message
. com...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...
"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Now, Leonard -40F and -40C occur at roughly the same point.
Have
your
ever participated in amateur radio emergency communications
outdoors
when the temp was -40?

I've been outdoors working when the temperature was -30 F.


-40C and -40F are not roughly the same point, they are EXACTLY the
same
point.

(Celsius * 9/5) + 32 = Fahrenheit
(-40C * 9/5) + 32 = -40F

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Unless any of you can produce licensure or credentials in meteorology
or atmospheric science, I'm going to have to consider your comments
suspect.

;^)

bb

Actually that would have to be metrology (the science of measurement)
since
temperature is not limited to weather.

Wow! A true thing by a morseperson! :-)

Hey, back off!

Ooops. My excuse is finding an honest morseperson not trying
(too much) to destroy an NCTA... :-)

I cede to your point.

I've been testing electronics IN a -55 C environment. Involved in
metrology. Was cold. I didn't stay in the walk-in chamber for
any longer than necessary. :-)

CW telemetry always gets through.

It MUST...whether there's electric power available or not! :-)

Wasn't degreed or credentialed in metrology at the time. Nobody
else involved in that testing was degreed or credentialed in
metrology. NIST doesn't demand that, either!.

Sunnuvagun!

But, but, but... Len. I -need- her to be licensured or credentialed
in metrology whether there's such a thing or not.

I -must- have it.

I DEMAND IT!!!

If SHE doesn't produce licensure in metrology within 24 hours,
Dee will forever be known as a LIAR and a Bag Lady and a Horse Thief!

Because I say so!

;^)

Hmmm...trying out nursie's fantasyworld thinking?

Warning: Do not try that at home!

Oooh. Ow. I've got a headache this morning. Terrible, terrible
dreams. I should have known they're would be a backlash to acting so
crazy.

Heh, we could have said "told ya so!" but that would be cruel.

It must have been like Darth Vader experienced...except ol Darth
didn't survive.

Sorry, to Dee. I ventured where no sane person should go.

[we'll all wait for the inevitable "you don't have the credentials!" :-) ]

But...to be super-legal on ham HF one MUST be tested for
morsemanship.

Only in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Yes, so I'm told by all the PCTA extras...if they bother
mentioning it at all... :-)

Ham radios won't work without that credential?

Nope - they refuse.

Physics is altogether different.

Haven't you learned that by now? You've been told often enough.

If you don't get that by now I'm going to have to start Dialing...

Careful, careful, trying to think like nursie may be hazardous to
your health!

Oooh. Ow. My head.

Take two tablets of acetyl salicylic acid and call a real MD in
the morning.



Strange brew. The things you learn in a ham newsgroup.

Yes, it is...once in a while a true factoid comes into public view,
about 1 percent of the time in between all the PCTA extras trying
to destroy all NCTA whichever way they can... :-)



Yep. Dee was correct.

Hey, what's that box-van with 911 painted on the side doing in my
driveway?

Hi, hi!

It's the PCTA Police van! Oh, oh, big trouble! :-)

Hi hi and a Ho ho.

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com...
"Phil Kane" wrote in message . net...
On 2 Oct 2004 07:00:32 -0700, William wrote:

Folks have flunked out of first-year engineering and science classes
for less than that.

I don't doubt that. No one ever flunked out of weather school for
that simple equation.

What do they flunk out of law school for?

Being a**holes and not giving proper respect to those of us who
have graduated from law school.

WAAAAAHOOOO!

How about just respecting each other as human beings?

Everyone want's to be elevated above the next person, and it is so
typical of the old guard in amateur radio who were raised on the
inventive licensing tit.

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"William" wrote in message
. com...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...
"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Now, Leonard -40F and -40C occur at roughly the same point.
Have
your
ever participated in amateur radio emergency communications
outdoors
when the temp was -40?

I've been outdoors working when the temperature was -30 F.


-40C and -40F are not roughly the same point, they are EXACTLY the
same
point.

(Celsius * 9/5) + 32 = Fahrenheit
(-40C * 9/5) + 32 = -40F

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Unless any of you can produce licensure or credentials in meteorology
or atmospheric science, I'm going to have to consider your comments
suspect.

;^)

bb

Actually that would have to be metrology (the science of measurement)
since
temperature is not limited to weather.

Wow! A true thing by a morseperson! :-)

Hey, back off!

Ooops. My excuse is finding an honest morseperson not trying
(too much) to destroy an NCTA... :-)

I cede to your point.

I've been testing electronics IN a -55 C environment. Involved in
metrology. Was cold. I didn't stay in the walk-in chamber for
any longer than necessary. :-)

CW telemetry always gets through.

It MUST...whether there's electric power available or not! :-)

Wasn't degreed or credentialed in metrology at the time. Nobody
else involved in that testing was degreed or credentialed in
metrology. NIST doesn't demand that, either!.

Sunnuvagun!

But, but, but... Len. I -need- her to be licensured or credentialed
in metrology whether there's such a thing or not.

I -must- have it.

I DEMAND IT!!!

If SHE doesn't produce licensure in metrology within 24 hours,
Dee will forever be known as a LIAR and a Bag Lady and a Horse Thief!

Because I say so!

;^)

Hmmm...trying out nursie's fantasyworld thinking?

Warning: Do not try that at home!

Oooh. Ow. I've got a headache this morning. Terrible, terrible
dreams. I should have known they're would be a backlash to acting so
crazy.

Heh, we could have said "told ya so!" but that would be cruel.

It must have been like Darth Vader experienced...except ol Darth
didn't survive.

Sorry, to Dee. I ventured where no sane person should go.

[we'll all wait for the inevitable "you don't have the credentials!" :-) ]

But...to be super-legal on ham HF one MUST be tested for
morsemanship.

Only in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Yes, so I'm told by all the PCTA extras...if they bother
mentioning it at all... :-)

Ham radios won't work without that credential?

Nope - they refuse.

Physics is altogether different.

Haven't you learned that by now? You've been told often enough.

If you don't get that by now I'm going to have to start Dialing...

Careful, careful, trying to think like nursie may be hazardous to
your health!

Oooh. Ow. My head.

Take two tablets of acetyl salicylic acid and call a real MD in
the morning.



Strange brew. The things you learn in a ham newsgroup.

Yes, it is...once in a while a true factoid comes into public view,
about 1 percent of the time in between all the PCTA extras trying
to destroy all NCTA whichever way they can... :-)



Yep. Dee was correct.

Hey, what's that box-van with 911 painted on the side doing in my
driveway?

Hi, hi!

It's the PCTA Police van! Oh, oh, big trouble! :-)

Hi hi and a Ho ho.



And so concludes another semi-hostile action reenactment in RRAP-Land.

Goodnight Mrs. Calabash, whevever you are.

Len Over 21 wrote:

Why don't you two sweetums move this to private e-mail? Or are
you bound and determined to turn this public-access newsgroup
into a cozy little private chat room suitable only for PCTA extras?

What was it when you and "William" were doing your Charlie Chan routine?


Dave K8MN

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Mechanical Man) writes:


Right on the money. As if Sweetums ever sank dime one of his own wad
one into any "station he operated".

WRONG. INCORRECT. ERROR!

PLMRS VHF two-way, base and mobiles, as part of a partnership...
which required a helluva lot more than a "dime." :-)

Oh gawd, OK, I surrender, so you sank some coin into the world of blue
dot & green dot radios. Didja get their WTAS (Worked Taxicabs in all
States) award? What's the URL for this "partnership"?

Fact is that he wouldn't have done
any of it if us taxpayers hadn't paid him to do it . . . Hell, we even
paid him to trudge thru the University of Monmouth Vo-Tech Division.

What do you mean "we paid," Kellie?

Were you a "taxpayer" in 1952? How much did you actually pay ME?
:-)

Well, isn't that so terrible...a citizen volunteers for military duty and
serves honorably, then some arrogant elitist comes along and
calls all such for "drudges." His noble, elite, royal self was TOO
GOOD for any such menial task such as defending this country.

God forbid any HARM that might come to blessed royalty such as
his noble self from actually SERVING his country!

It was at the Fort Monmouth, NJ, Signal School, not a "university."
As a member of the United States Army.

Feel free to continue looking down your noble, royal nose at
veterans who volunteered. No problem. You won't change, not
even if you get all the peasants to eat cake instead of hard-to-get
bread. Madame la Guillotine will have the cure.

Meanwhile, go ahead, continue to damn the peasantry. Isn't it
awful that the "peasantry" have freedom of speech? Tsk.


Sponge. Bleh!

Ooooooo...the ELITE speak against the "drudges!"

Nah, none of it has anything to do with anybody's military service or
lack thereof Sweetums. I simply needed to find out how hard I had to
yank yer chain in this topic area before you came unglued again. I
expected to have to put up with another round or two but nope, here it
is. You usta be a helluva lot quicker Sweetums. Getting OLD is a pain
the ass isn't it?

You do your things, I add my things and we get the job done. But
Sweetums can do it ALL . . . of course his history proves otherwise.

Tsk. "My history" disproves Kellie's ASSumptions.

Wanna take it back to the conditions under which you departed NAS
Johnsville?

Din think so.

But...he is of the nobility, the elite, and doesn't recognize "drudges"
who worked for a salary. :-)


Lemmee know when you get yer home installation of Microstation to spit
out the plane and torsional moments of inertia of a tower section.

...and don't forget to inform everyone that MECHANICAL elements
of antennas are MUCH MORE important than any menial
electrical "drudge" characteristics.

| snore |

Why don't you two sweetums move this to private e-mail? Or are
you bound and determined to turn this public-access newsgroup
into a cozy little private chat room suitable only for PCTA extras?

What's a' matter Sweetie, you can't stand it when the adults around
here talk over yer head? One of your peers, my seven-year-old #2
grandson has the same problem.

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:


Nah. Just about everything radio in that heap which was more than
twenty years old landed in the dumpster on general principles.

Riiiight...Millen dials, J.W.Miller coil forms, Hammarlund
variables, WW2 surplus items, tubes...all "over twenty years
old!" :-)

Right on Sweetums, I did exactly that. Except for a bunch of elderly
variable caps which are always nice to have around when cobbling
together matching circuits.

You are PCTA extra royalty. Save the TUBES, recycle 'em into
world-beating contest-quality radios to win all those accolades!

I already gave 'em to Miccolis, ALL of 'em. 'Cept for the NOS Eimac
3-500Z. I'll prolly make a lamp out of it.

Do you have sufficient knowledge of electricity to wire it up?

Yup.

Don't you have to be QUALIFIED to meet the electrical code?

Of course, the NEC is only a couple mouse clicks away from here.

That leaves Sweetums and his half-vast "experience" out. Long-haul
military HF comms are channelized and if a station is weak they just
twist the Variac clockwise. 40kW with rhombics just to push RTTY from
Tokyo to the west coast . . SPARE me . . !

You "know" all about military communications?

Absolutely not. Nor do I give a rat's patooie about military comms
gear.

Riiiight...but you KNOW all about what the U.S. military DOES,
don't you? [you've demonstrated that in here before...]

Cite the posts.

Of course you do.
You were of the royalty that was never IN.

Right again.

That military service was for "drudge" citizens, not for the nobility
whose bodies were far too precious to waste defending their
country... tsk, tsk.

| Yawn |

You've never worn an AN/PRC-104 HF manpack raddio, have you?

Have you?

Yes, as a civilian!

Aha; I thought so, you're a member of the Smoggy Bottom Militia eh?

on the SGC 2020...

I hate to bust yer bubble again Sweetums but they're all over the ham
bands used mostly by the "pack radio" crowd. Nice rugged little
minimalist's xcvr but somewhat lacking in rcvr basic performance.

Awwww...not up to Kellie's mighty standards? Tsk.

You bet. Crummy rcvr. Dig up the test lab reports on it. Like this
one.

http://www.arrl.org/members-only/prodrev/pdf/pr9810.pdf


Are you in the tRoll opinion against the "shack on the belt crowd?"

Nope.

"Minimalist?" It does SSB very well. It includes a lot of self-
check features as standard.

I can check my own radios Sweetums, but you better stick with SGC.

Maybe you want a "top of the line contester" transceiver that not
only has all the super selectivity and sensitivity to leap tall pileups
but also keeps the logs and prints out QSLs?

Right on again Sweetums, you're finally starting to get it.

All on battery power?
:-)

Whatta a great battery-powered rig: Draws over a half amp while simply
listening to a dummy load.


required slide-rules and mechanical desk calculators (sometimes)
due to pocket calculators not being invented yet. :-)

I'm not new to slide rules and Fridens Sweetie, I had one of each on
my board back when I was designing catapults.

Riiiiight...lots of catapults used in ham radio of your yesterday,
huh? :-)

Well no, fact is Sweetums that I have a very current tech ham radio
catapult, Miccolis and I used it to launch some Field Day antennas
just a few months ago. He has one of a different design which also
works well.


Tsk. You should use Roy Lewallen's EZNEC. Roy is a long-time
ham. EZNEC is advertised in QST.

Sweetums if you will kindly point out just where in EZNEC Roy provides
the ability to work thru antenna stress and deflection issues.

Ask Roy. I thought that YOU, as the super-duper mechanical man
would ALREADY KNOW what is needed! :-)

I sure as hell do know what's needed and I also know it's not in EZNEC
Sweetums, not even close. But you obviously don't know so you made an
ass of yourself in public once again because you didn't spend enough
time surfing around the Web to get up to speed on EZNEC before you
spouted off about it.

How many times . . ?


USN Postgraduate School folks came up with the Numerical
Electromagnetic Code (NEC) which is all free to anyone (no
copyright).

I'm not new to NEC either Sweetums, I have NEC2 two mouse clicks away
from here along with it's Nec Win Plus interface.

Riiiiiight...You are so schmardt in methods of moments theory...

Eat your heart out.

Too bad the USN types at the "captain's table"
didn't mention that to you...

. . . in 1963??

Tsk. Didn't the USN use radio then?

Oh stop it you silly old fart, of course they used radio. Knock off
your bush-league bait 'n switch games Sweetie, they don't work, the
topic was the electromagnetics code, not "USN radio" Sweetie. Now once
more was the NEC available in 1963 or not?

Oh, yes, they used only morse code! Morse code gets through
when anything else does...

What DID you talk about? How "rough" the "war" was? Did YOU
have some "hostile actions" and collect a shoebox full of medals?

Oh, I AM sorry. I'm acting like a "drudge." I'm not supposed to
DO such things, being an NCTA and all. This newsgroup is
RESERVED for the PCTA extras, the elitists who meet to beat.

|| The usual broken record, snores galore ||

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: Dave Heil
Date: 10/3/2004 7:53 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Why don't you two sweetums move this to private e-mail? Or are
you bound and determined to turn this public-access newsgroup
into a cozy little private chat room suitable only for PCTA extras?

What was it when you and "William" were doing your Charlie Chan routine?

You didn't REALLY expect the Prince of Pottymouth to live by his own
standards, now did ya, Dave...?!?! =)

Brain and Lennie keep trying to insinuate that others invoke some kind of
double standard, but all you have to do is wait a couple of hours, and one or
the other will post yet another bit of trollish tripe that clearly implicates
themselves in the very same conduct.

Putzii Supreme.

73

Steve, K4YZ