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October 8th 04, 11:16 PM
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(N2EY) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ??? From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 10/7/2004 6:33 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ??? From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 10/5/2004 6:28 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , More tsk. My choice of residence location is NOT primarily motivated by any slavering desire to erect a radio station of any kind. Great. It looks like you've got your wish. Ahhhhhh! But he CAN report to us on the VHF navaids from LAX! Oh joy! Some people are into that... After thinking about it, it makes sense....The ATIS and AWOS systems repeat the same thing over and over and over...Kinda like Lennie's posts. True! Tsk. Jimmie has ALL that "experience" on civil airways to "qualify" his comments. That's just like all his "experience" in the space business. Jimmie should make an AOL homepage describing all his space adventures. It's real easy to do and AOL has free software to do it. :-) I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our lives can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating. Again, not the issue. Sure it is, Jim! No, it isn't. Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the 802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and regs in *amateur* radio? Ham radio regulations are to be regulated SOLELY by hams? Tsk. FCC do dat. For EVERY civil radio service. It's the law. But hum raddio is "different." :-) Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive and useful than anything Amateurs do. Where did he do that? What I have seen is numerous verbose listings of his employers, and projects he was part of. That's all. Yes, I've named employers and some work done. I was there and did those things. Where did Jimmie do his engineering work on radio? I want to know WHAT it was he thinks he did that is so useful? What is in my home or what do I use on a daily basis that has HIS direct participation in that I can't do without? Don't hold yer breath! Tsk. There's NOTHING about what either one of you has done that affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip. Lennie's "contribution" to radio was getting coffee for and staying out of the way of the REAL radio professionals as they did REAL engineering and design work. How do you know that, Steve? From the opinions of someone who knew him and worked in the same facility as he. OK - let's say, just for the point of discussion, that your source is right on the money. Just for the point of the discussion consider that nursie is a LIAR. Nursie has NO such name. That individual is a fabrication of his fantasy world. Nursie CAN'T name any names becuase no such person exists. That only covers one time period at one facility. Len tells us he has worked a lot of places over a long period of time. One less-than-stellar job does not a career ruin. Tsk. "Less-than-stellar." :-) I completed a career, don't have to put in regular hours anymore. Don't you just HATE it when someone ruins your ranting? :-) Besides - it's not the issue. It is as long as Lennie keeps trying to throw his "professional" weight around. No, it isn't. It seems to be nursie's core of existance in this newsgroup. :-) In Len's case we have an extreme example: [in Jimmie's case he is the "stellar example" of what a "real ham" is] He's never had an amateur radio license True. Never worked as any sort of licensed radio operator in any other radio service WRONG. INCORRECT. ERROR! Never been involved in radio regulatory matters other than writing voluminous comments to FCC, Tsk. Jimmie hasn't been any sort of radio regulator. Never manufactured or designed any equipment for hams Did Jimmie do dat? :-) Hasn't written an article or done a visible project in amateur radio circles for more than 22 years I quit going around in circles. :-) And by his numerous mistakes in his postings here, doesn't really know that much about what hams actually do on the radio in the first place. (Note his continuing non-understanding of why phase noise is an issue for HF hams). My visa for Fantasy Island has expired, don't know what "hams actually do on the radio in the first place" because I couldn't possibly be first place. All I can do is hear them. | snore | Tsk. Radio physics must have changed in Jimmie's fantasy ham world. "Kay-tee-delta-eff" is still there as the major sensitivity limiter for all other radios (aka "Johnson noise" or whatever anyone wants to call random, above-absolute-zero noise voltage in components). Jimmie's ham world doesn't have buzzwords. It has only the most modern of things. Like kluge-looking transceivers built from recycled parts and tubes in the 1990s. Yet he tries to tell us that his professional background somehow makes him more qualified than to determine *amateur radio* policy than any of us hams. NOBODY can tell a PCTA extra ANYTHING! :-) THEY rule amateur radio! [the FCC is just a federal agency, not involved?] NO FCC staffer or commissioner is required to have any amateur radio license. It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships should determine policy for sailboats. Riiiight, Tiger. Good luck on your new marriage and PGA next year. The entire argument is faulty. PCTA extras enoble themselves to sit on "judge" benches. :-) It's not an issue of whether Len is/was a "hotshot" but rather how valid his arguments are. Jimmie says everything I say is "wrong" and "in error." :-) Well, it's hard to argue with someone who "serves his country" by engaging in the hobby of ham radio... The rest is diversion and bafflegab. It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships should determine policy for sailboats. Tsk, despite saying that twice, the point wasn't made. Like it or no, the FCC still does NOT require any staffer or commissioner to hold an amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. ham radio. Don't you just HATE it when someone brings reality into a simple little rant you have? The central issue is whether his proposed changes would help or hurt the ARS. I say they would hurt the ARS. The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) will be fatally hurt by removal of the code test for any ham license. It will be the End of The World As They Know It. Bye.... |
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October 10th 04, 07:57 PM
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(Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ??? From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 10/7/2004 6:33 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ??? From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 10/5/2004 6:28 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Dave Heil writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , More tsk. My choice of residence location is NOT primarily motivated by any slavering desire to erect a radio station of any kind. Great. It looks like you've got your wish. Ahhhhhh! But he CAN report to us on the VHF navaids from LAX! Oh joy! Some people are into that... After thinking about it, it makes sense....The ATIS and AWOS systems repeat the same thing over and over and over...Kinda like Lennie's posts. True! I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our lives can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating. Again, not the issue. Sure it is, Jim! No, it isn't. Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the 802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and regs in *amateur* radio? Ham radio regulations are to be regulated SOLELY by hams? "You can not answer a question with another question" Tsk. FCC do dat. For EVERY civil radio service. It's the law. You're not the FCC, Len. Also not a ham. But hum raddio is "different." :-) What is "hum raddio"? Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive and useful than anything Amateurs do. Where did he do that? What I have seen is numerous verbose listings of his employers, and projects he was part of. That's all. Yes, I've named employers and some work done. I was there and did those things. Good for you, Len! Where did Jimmie do his engineering work on radio? Why does that matter? I want to know WHAT it was he thinks he did that is so useful? What is in my home or what do I use on a daily basis that has HIS direct participation in that I can't do without? Don't hold yer breath! Tsk. There's NOTHING about what either one of you has done that affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip. Then we're even, because there's nothing *you* have done that affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip. Lennie's "contribution" to radio was getting coffee for and staying out of the way of the REAL radio professionals as they did REAL engineering and design work. How do you know that, Steve? From the opinions of someone who knew him and worked in the same facility as he. OK - let's say, just for the point of discussion, that your source is right on the money. Just for the point of the discussion consider that nursie is a LIAR. Why? And who is "nursie"? Can you not tolerate a hypothetical discussion, Len? It seems that way. Nursie has NO such name. That individual is a fabrication of his fantasy world. How do you know? Nursie CAN'T name any names becuase no such person exists. Prove it! Do you really expect us to believe that over decades long "vareer in radio electronics", that there is not a single person you encountered who would say what has been claimed? That only covers one time period at one facility. Len tells us he has worked a lot of places over a long period of time. One less-than-stellar job does not a career ruin. Tsk. "Less-than-stellar." :-) Yes. Perhaps the report is true. Perhaps it isn't. Even if true, it is the opinion of just one person at just one place and time. Do you think one such report somehow discredits an entire career? I completed a career, don't have to put in regular hours anymore. So what? Does that somehow make you more qualified to set amateur radio policy than those still working "regular hours"? Unless I'm mistaken, Dave Heil, K8MN, completed a career and is now retired. And he did it in a lot less years than you did, Len. Plus he was in the US military and in government service - and an active radio amateur. By your logic, he's more qualified to determine amateur radio policy than you. Don't you just HATE it when someone ruins your ranting? :-) It appears you do.... Besides - it's not the issue. It is as long as Lennie keeps trying to throw his "professional" weight around. No, it isn't. It seems to be nursie's core of existance in this newsgroup. :-) "Nursie"? In Len's case we have an extreme example: [in Jimmie's case he is the "stellar example" of what a "real ham" is] Thank you, Len. He's never had an amateur radio license True. Never worked as any sort of licensed radio operator in any other radio service WRONG. INCORRECT. ERROR! Why the shouting? If it's not correct, give is the info. Where and when did you work as a licensed radio operator, Len? And in what radio service? Never been involved in radio regulatory matters other than writing voluminous comments to FCC, Tsk. Jimmie hasn't been any sort of radio regulator. Not the issue. Never manufactured or designed any equipment for hams Did Jimmie do dat? :-) Not the issue either. Hasn't written an article or done a visible project in amateur radio circles for more than 22 years I quit going around in circles. :-) And by his numerous mistakes in his postings here, doesn't really know that much about what hams actually do on the radio in the first place. (Note his continuing non-understanding of why phase noise is an issue for HF hams). My visa for Fantasy Island has expired, I've never had one... don't know what "hams actually do on the radio in the first place" because I couldn't possibly be first place. All I can do is hear them. | snore | Can you? Tsk. Radio physics must have changed in Jimmie's fantasy ham world. "Kay-tee-delta-eff" is still there as the major sensitivity limiter for all other radios (aka "Johnson noise" or whatever anyone wants to call random, above-absolute-zero noise voltage in components). I know all about that. Has nothing to do with phase noise as has been discussed here. Jimmie's ham world doesn't have buzzwords. It has only the most modern of things. Like kluge-looking transceivers built from recycled parts and tubes in the 1990s. It is interesting that you are hung up on appearance and parts origins rather than how well something works. Yet he tries to tell us that his professional background somehow makes him more qualified than to determine *amateur radio* policy than any of us hams. NOBODY can tell a PCTA extra ANYTHING! :-) THEY rule amateur radio! [the FCC is just a federal agency, not involved?] NO FCC staffer or commissioner is required to have any amateur radio license. So what? You're not part of the FCC - and you never have been. It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships should determine policy for sailboats. Riiiight, Tiger. Good luck on your new marriage and PGA next year. The entire argument is faulty. PCTA extras enoble themselves to sit on "judge" benches. :-) No, that's you, Len. It's not an issue of whether Len is/was a "hotshot" but rather how valid his arguments are. Jimmie says everything I say is "wrong" and "in error." :-) Well, it's hard to argue with someone who "serves his country" by engaging in the hobby of ham radio... The rest is diversion and bafflegab. It would be like me, a male non-golfer, saying that I know best how the LPGA should be run. Or that the folks who run the cruise ships should determine policy for sailboats. Tsk, despite saying that twice, the point wasn't made. Show us where it's not a valid statement, then. I'm on the outside looking in when it comes to the LPGA and sailboat policy. You're on the outside looking in when it comes to both amateur radio and the FCC. Like it or no, the FCC still does NOT require any staffer or commissioner to hold an amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. ham radio. But it *does* require them to be qualified according to the standards of the FCC. You're not qualified that way. And you're not on the FCC, and never have been. Don't you just HATE it when someone brings reality into a simple little rant you have? You sure seem to have a lot of hate, Len. The central issue is whether his proposed changes would help or hurt the ARS. I say they would hurt the ARS. The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) will be fatally hurt by removal of the code test for any ham license. It will be the End of The World As They Know It. Bye.... Is that what you want? |
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October 11th 04, 10:05 AM
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Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 10/10/2004 1:57 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: Ham radio regulations are to be regulated SOLELY by hams? "You can not answer a question with another question" Heaven forbid that people who are involved in a certain discipline should actaully have any say in it's regulation or conduct. Tsk. FCC do dat. For EVERY civil radio service. It's the law. You're not the FCC, Len. Also not a ham. But hum raddio is "different." :-) What is "hum raddio"? That's the noise he hears when the microwave is cooking. A good Ham could filter that noise out in a few minutes. Yes, I've named employers and some work done. I was there and did those things. Good for you, Len! Yes, Lennie, Good for you. And too BAD for you, too... Ran your mouth off just a weeeeeee bit too much and gave me just enough to get some real scoop on just how magnificent an enginer you REALLY are. Where did Jimmie do his engineering work on radio? Why does that matter? It doesn't. A lame redirect to take the heat off of himself. Didn't work. Tsk. There's NOTHING about what either one of you has done that affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip. Then we're even, because there's nothing *you* have done that affected my home or what I use on a daily basis. Nada. Zip. Sorry. Not quite true. Eighteen years of my life allowed Lennie to continue to enjoy his home and his life as he knows it. OK - let's say, just for the point of discussion, that your source is right on the money. Just for the point of the discussion consider that nursie is a LIAR. Why? And who is "nursie"? Can you not tolerate a hypothetical discussion, Len? It seems that way. There's nothing "hypothetical" about it. Nursie has NO such name. That individual is a fabrication of his fantasy world. How do you know? Nursie CAN'T name any names becuase no such person exists. Prove it! There goes Lennie with the typos...According to the Lennie Laws of Newsgroup Posting, typos are indicative of anger and pent up hatred. (Amazing how Lennie's own stuff usually get's back around TO Lennie, isn't it...?!?!) Do you really expect us to believe that over decades long "career in radio electronics", that there is not a single person you encountered who would say what has been claimed? Oh Nooooooooo, Jim! Lennie was a "Shining Example of All That Is Good And Right In Radio Engineering". Lennie did no wrong, Lennie could DO no wrong. That only covers one time period at one facility. Len tells us he has worked a lot of places over a long period of time. One less-than-stellar job does not a career ruin. Tsk. "Less-than-stellar." Yes. Perhaps the report is true. Perhaps it isn't. Even if true, it is the opinion of just one person at just one place and time. Do you think one such report somehow discredits an entire career? Oh, I NEVER said it "ruined" his whole career. As a matter fo fact, I believe I have complimented Lennie on having had enough common sense to invest what he did earn wisely. Would be a shame to think that all those coat tails he rode were for nothing! I completed a career, don't have to put in regular hours anymore. So what? Does that somehow make you more qualified to set amateur radio policy than those still working "regular hours"? Unless I'm mistaken, Dave Heil, K8MN, completed a career and is now retired. And he did it in a lot less years than you did, Len. Plus he was in the US military and in government service - and an active radio amateur. By your logic, he's more qualified to determine amateur radio policy than you. Not to mention you can mention Dave's name and call in Amateur circles and people know of whom you speak and of his reputation. Not so with Lennie. Don't you just HATE it when someone ruins your ranting? :-) It appears you do.... We've had him by "the short hairs" ever since he blasted off the "CV" with his Pennsylvania references in it. And you KNOW that's got to hurt! Tsk. Radio physics must have changed in Jimmie's fantasy ham world. "Kay-tee-delta-eff" is still there as the major sensitivity limiter for all other radios (aka "Johnson noise" or whatever anyone wants to call random, above-absolute-zero noise voltage in components). I know all about that. Has nothing to do with phase noise as has been discussed here. It also has nothing to do with the noise generated by Lennie himself. NO FCC staffer or commissioner is required to have any amateur radio license. So what? You're not part of the FCC - and you never have been. I wonder what Lennie thinks this means...?!?! Like it or no, the FCC still does NOT require any staffer or commissioner to hold an amateur radio license in order to regulate U.S. ham radio. But it *does* require them to be qualified according to the standards of the FCC. You're not qualified that way. And you're not on the FCC, and never have been. Don't you just HATE it when someone brings reality into a simple little rant you have? You sure seem to have a lot of hate, Len. He doesn, doesn't he...??? He's a very vile and repulsive person. And I use "person" loosely. The central issue is whether his proposed changes would help or hurt the ARS. I say they would hurt the ARS. The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) will be fatally hurt by removal of the code test for any ham license. It will be the End of The World As They Know It. Bye.... Is that what you want? Of course it is. Just bugs the bee-jeebers out of His Lameness that there are almost 3/4 million Americans who can do at any given moment what he only fantasiszes about. Shame is that he could be ONE of them with only 30 minutes of time invested. I still say he just hasn't got the intestinal fortitude to do it. A coward. IMNSHO. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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October 11th 04, 03:54 PM
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Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William) Date: 10/11/2004 9:23 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Ran your mouth off just a weeeeeee bit too much and gave me just enough We know what happens to people who "run thier mouth off," don't we? Eighteen years of my life allowed Lennie to continue to enjoy his home and his life as he knows it. Len served. He served before you did. That's not the point now, is it Brain? The point is that Lennie stated (and you snipped out of your post here, as usual) that there was nothing in his home or life that ethier Jim or I touched. Lennie's assertion was wrong. Your creative editing in order to try and make it appear as though something else was being said was very Goebbelsesque. It also further served to substantiate my assertions of your deceitfulness. Thanks. Can we entertain the idea that his service has allowed you and Jim to enjoy your lives as you know them? Sure he served. I have even said "thank-you" to him. I acknoweldged that years ago, and for a couple of Memorial Days and Veteran's Days running even made SURE I thanked "Len" IN PARTICULAR in addition to all the other vets on RRAP. Lennie has NEVER ONCE responded civilly to ANY of those salutaions. Usually blows it off with more of his "Dill Sergeant" rhetoric. But don't take my word for it, Brain...Google it up and see it for yourself. A coward. IMNSHO. 73 Steve, K4YZ Steve never, ever runs away from an opportunity to call names. It's not name calling if it's true. So far you've not let me down. Thanks. Steve, K4YZ |
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October 8th 04, 11:30 PM
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Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (N2EY) Date: 10/8/2004 11:30 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our lives can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating. Again, not the issue. Sure it is, Jim! No, it isn't. Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the 802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and regs in *amateur* radio? We're not talking about any other person, Jim. Just one. One that makes a point of being antagonistic and deceitful. Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive and useful than anything Amateurs do. Where did he do that? You're kidding, right? Which one of thousands of posts shall we refer to...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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October 9th 04, 12:55 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ??? From: (N2EY) Date: 10/8/2004 11:30 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our lives can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating. Again, not the issue. Sure it is, Jim! No, it isn't. Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the 802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and regs in *amateur* radio? We're not talking about any other person, Jim. Just one. Why should different rules apply? One that makes a point of being antagonistic and deceitful. Look beyond that for a moment. Consider my question again: Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the 802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and regs in *amateur* radio? Yes or no or something else? Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive and useful than anything Amateurs do. Where did he do that? You're kidding, right? Which one of thousands of posts shall we refer to...?!?! Pick some... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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October 11th 04, 01:27 PM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ??? From: (N2EY) Date: 10/8/2004 11:30 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... I'm still waiting for Lennie to regale us with what RF devices our lives can't do without that he allegedly had a hand in creating. Again, not the issue. Sure it is, Jim! No, it isn't. Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the 802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and regs in *amateur* radio? We're not talking about any other person, Jim. Just one. Why should different rules apply? So there can be a double standard. One that makes a point of being antagonistic and deceitful. Look beyond that for a moment. Consider my question again: Suppose some nonham "had a hand in creating" the cell phone, or the 802.11G modem, or the RF ID tag reader used on containers, trucks and railcars, or a host of other things. Does that *technical* achievement somehow make him/her the most qualified person to set the rules and regs in *amateur* radio? Yes or no or something else? Jim, you will find that in real life, non-hams that may also be non-technical are setting the rules for amateur radio. Be that as it may, amateur radio is a public resource and the public, no matter who they are, may comment on amateur radio. Lennie has insisted that his "professional" career was far more productive and useful than anything Amateurs do. Where did he do that? You're kidding, right? Which one of thousands of posts shall we refer to...?!?! Pick some... 73 de Jim, N2EY Indeed. While you're searching the archives, pick out some homosexual inuendo that Steve has made, but claims he hasn't. |
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