In article et, "Bill Sohl"
writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Dee D. Flint wrote:

The ARRL is now projecting that it will take the FCC until at least
sometime
in 2006 to make any changes.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Yup! Easily then if not later. If the current administration is still
in at that time, it may even be later - if at all. Remember that
conservative folks of the neo stripe *don't* like treaties, and this is
a treaty matter.

Mike,

Why do you consider this a treaty matter today? While the current
treaty may not yet have gone through Senate approval, surely aren't
suggesting (or maybe you are) that anyone here (USA) or elsewhere
considers the prior treaty still in effect.

Bill, they still do... :-)

What was in the past when the present made their rank/status/
privileges must continue on indefinitely. If changes occur, then
their status, etc., will diminish. In their eyes, at least. :-)

On the "Congress must approve any 'treaty'" matter - Tsk, I
thought that the FCC could go right on making their own rules
without needing Congressional approval. They certainly do
over in the International Bureau in regards to tariffs with
international communications service providers. The WRC
administrative team (voting) is made up of the Department of
State, the National Telecommunicaitons and Information Agency,
and the Federal Communications Commission. They represent
the United States to the International Telecommunications Union.
Seems to me that they've done a whole heap of other radio
service decisions without a single "need" for Congressional
approval on amateur radio matters. ?

Heh, I'm sure that someone else in here will go ballistic on that
and make all sorts of "outraged" noises. :-)

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article et, "Bill Sohl"
writes:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


The ARRL is now projecting that it will take the FCC until at least

sometime

in 2006 to make any changes.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Yup! Easily then if not later. If the current administration is still
in at that time, it may even be later - if at all. Remember that
conservative folks of the neo stripe *don't* like treaties, and this is
a treaty matter.

Mike,

Why do you consider this a treaty matter today? While the current
treaty may not yet have gone through Senate approval, surely aren't
suggesting (or maybe you are) that anyone here (USA) or elsewhere
considers the prior treaty still in effect.


Bill, they still do... :-)

Not sure who "they" are. I'm just noting that it is a treaty matter,
and that the powers that be don't like treaties. My guess is that if the
requirement is removed from a treaty and the folks in Washington know
that, they will oppose it on the basis that they don't want to be told
what to do by the rest of the world.

Despite my PCTA status, When Element one goes away, I'll note it, and
enjoy my morning coffee just like any other day.

Many middle aged (and up) males astound me with their ability to get
incredibly angry about "things" "When Morse code goes away. It'll just
be like CB" or the one I always get to hear "Any idiot can become an
Extra these days" - when they forget that I am one of those any idiots.
And its not just Hams - could be just about anyone on just about any
subject.

But I isn't one of them! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article et, "Bill
Sohl"
writes:


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Dee D. Flint wrote:


The ARRL is now projecting that it will take the FCC until at least

sometime

in 2006 to make any changes.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Yup! Easily then if not later. If the current administration is still
in at that time, it may even be later - if at all. Remember that
conservative folks of the neo stripe *don't* like treaties, and this is
a treaty matter.

Mike,

Why do you consider this a treaty matter today? While the current
treaty may not yet have gone through Senate approval, surely aren't
suggesting (or maybe you are) that anyone here (USA) or elsewhere
considers the prior treaty still in effect.


Bill, they still do... :-)

Not sure who "they" are.

"They" are all in here...you KNOW who "they" are... :-)

I'm just noting that it is a treaty matter,
and that the powers that be don't like treaties.

Okay, so who are these "powers that be?" The ARRL? They (the
Newington bunch) don't get along with the IARU on morse code
testing. Tsk. Haven't for years.

What exactly is this "treaty" you guys keep talking about?

The USA is a signatory to the United Nations and part of that is
the International Telecommunicaitons Union, a UN body. As a
signatory to the ITU, the administration of the USA is obliged to
follow the decisions made at the World Radio Conferences. ALL
of them, not just the amateur radio matters. [that ALL is a whole
heaping bunch of other radio service matters]

The FCC regularly engages in international agreements on tariffs
and details with the rest of the world through the International
Bureau of the FCC. Correct me if wrong, but I don't see each and
every matter handled by the International Bureau as needing any
"Congressional approval," either House or Senate.

Like it or no, U.S. amateur radio is a minor matter among all the
various radio services regulated by the FCC. It just isn't of such
importance that the Congress of the United States "must approve"
each and every decision of the FCC in regards to ham radio.

Note: As to "administration" term in the ITU, that doesn't include
the U.S. Congress (the legislative part of the tripartite government
organization according to our Constitution). The USA's
"administration" for the ITU is the Department of State, the National
Telecommunications and Information Agency, the Federal
Communications Commission.

My guess is that if the
requirement is removed from a treaty and the folks in Washington know
that, they will oppose it on the basis that they don't want to be told
what to do by the rest of the world.

As a result of WRC-03, new (in force now) ITU radio regulations
state that all administrations have the option to include or exclude
the morse code test for any amateur radio license.

So far, the FCC has not changed the requirement for Test Element
One in Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R, for all U.S. amateur radio licenses
having below-30-MHz operating privileges.

Despite my PCTA status, When Element one goes away, I'll note it, and
enjoy my morning coffee just like any other day.

I'll enjoy mine, too. :-)

[Braun coffee maker, Columbian coffee, water imported from California]

Many middle aged (and up) males astound me with their ability to get
incredibly angry about "things" "When Morse code goes away.

Yes, they DO! :-)

Olde-fahrt syndrome. Everyone gotta do it as THEY did it because
they WERE so mighty and schmardt...a long time ago. :-)

Tsk.

It'll just
be like CB" or the one I always get to hear "Any idiot can become an
Extra these days" - when they forget that I am one of those any idiots.

I've never classified you as any "idiot," Mike.

Maybe misguided in your preference for having all test for morse-
manship in order to operate below 30 MHz. :-)

Tsk. I was operating below 30 MHz as well as above 30 MHz a
very long time ago, perfectly legally, and without any single
license!

Sunnuvagun!

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:

In article et, "Bill

Sohl"

writes:



"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Dee D. Flint wrote:



The ARRL is now projecting that it will take the FCC until at least

sometime


in 2006 to make any changes.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Yup! Easily then if not later. If the current administration is still
in at that time, it may even be later - if at all. Remember that
conservative folks of the neo stripe *don't* like treaties, and this is
a treaty matter.

Mike,

Why do you consider this a treaty matter today? While the current
treaty may not yet have gone through Senate approval, surely aren't
suggesting (or maybe you are) that anyone here (USA) or elsewhere
considers the prior treaty still in effect.


Bill, they still do... :-)

Not sure who "they" are.


"They" are all in here...you KNOW who "they" are... :-)


I'm just noting that it is a treaty matter,
and that the powers that be don't like treaties.


Okay, so who are these "powers that be?" The ARRL? They (the
Newington bunch) don't get along with the IARU on morse code
testing. Tsk. Haven't for years.

What exactly is this "treaty" you guys keep talking about?

The USA is a signatory to the United Nations and part of that is
the International Telecommunicaitons Union, a UN body. As a
signatory to the ITU, the administration of the USA is obliged to
follow the decisions made at the World Radio Conferences. ALL
of them, not just the amateur radio matters. [that ALL is a whole
heaping bunch of other radio service matters]

The FCC regularly engages in international agreements on tariffs
and details with the rest of the world through the International
Bureau of the FCC. Correct me if wrong, but I don't see each and
every matter handled by the International Bureau as needing any
"Congressional approval," either House or Senate.

Like it or no, U.S. amateur radio is a minor matter among all the
various radio services regulated by the FCC. It just isn't of such
importance that the Congress of the United States "must approve"
each and every decision of the FCC in regards to ham radio.

Note: As to "administration" term in the ITU, that doesn't include
the U.S. Congress (the legislative part of the tripartite government
organization according to our Constitution). The USA's
"administration" for the ITU is the Department of State, the National
Telecommunications and Information Agency, the Federal
Communications Commission.


My guess is that if the
requirement is removed from a treaty and the folks in Washington know
that, they will oppose it on the basis that they don't want to be told
what to do by the rest of the world.


As a result of WRC-03, new (in force now) ITU radio regulations
state that all administrations have the option to include or exclude
the morse code test for any amateur radio license.

So far, the FCC has not changed the requirement for Test Element
One in Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R, for all U.S. amateur radio licenses
having below-30-MHz operating privileges.


Despite my PCTA status, When Element one goes away, I'll note it, and
enjoy my morning coffee just like any other day.


I'll enjoy mine, too. :-)

[Braun coffee maker, Columbian coffee, water imported from California]


Many middle aged (and up) males astound me with their ability to get
incredibly angry about "things" "When Morse code goes away.


Yes, they DO! :-)

Olde-fahrt syndrome. Everyone gotta do it as THEY did it because
they WERE so mighty and schmardt...a long time ago. :-)

Tsk.


It'll just
be like CB" or the one I always get to hear "Any idiot can become an
Extra these days" - when they forget that I am one of those any idiots.


I've never classified you as any "idiot," Mike.

Nope, wasn't you. It was other Hams.


Maybe misguided in your preference for having all test for morse-
manship in order to operate below 30 MHz. :-)

Tsk. I was operating below 30 MHz as well as above 30 MHz a
very long time ago, perfectly legally, and without any single
license!

Sunnuvagun!

Huzzanga?

- Mike KB3EIA -