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(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4YZ) wrote in message
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Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (William)
Date: 11/5/2004 11:16 PM Central Standard Time
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Dat tree.

Along with some mental health counselling, I could find you a decent
speech pathologist.

Tell it to Kelly. Bwha-ha-ha-hi-hi!

Don't disgrace the Marine Corps on their birthday.

How could I?

You could be yourselves.

NONE of those "selves" are IN the USMC.

None of him is INVOLVED!

USMC didn't want him no more.

In fact, MARS was STARTED by the U.S. Army. The USAF was
next to join. The USN (and by default the USMC) joined MARS
LAST. Tsk.

Must have been a very long clean-up of those "hostile actions?"

"Steve" says "MARS IS amateur radio!" Hi hi and a ho ho.

DoD say they run it. Tsk. "Steve" try to argue with da gubmint?

Must be. Maybe he "see" da gubmint at Dayton? :-)

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(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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(Len Over 21) writes:

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(N2EY) writes:

We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in
both military and nonmilitary government service.

Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat
experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-)

Mostly just for daring to disagree with you.

Oh Bull-****, N2EY!

I DARE to agree with Len on a topic, any topic.

He can't do that. He is superior because of his federally-tested
high rate of morsemanship. Superiors do NOT condescend to
agree with lowly inferiors. :-)

Disagreeing with him is PCTA SOP; requires no effort whatsoever. Be a
Maverick like John McCain and take an itsy bitsy chance for -once- in
your life.

John McCain served in the USN, flying in combat.

Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book.

Jimmie knew Soviet air tactics like the back of your hand. He
saw the film "Dr. Strangelove: etc." and that makes him an
"expert" on SAC, TAC, Manny, Moe, and Jack. :-)


Rest of your bile snipped.

Well, that bile has to go somewhere. Better here than polluting
some PA community. :-)

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in
both military and nonmilitary government service.

Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat
experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-)

Or those who were "in Vietnam" yet can't be specific about what
they did or where.

Can't be or won't be, Leonard? Fact is, I did a tour in Viet Nam in the
USAF, 1970-1971. You made insulting remarks about it. I can Google
some up for you if you like.

Or those who "served the country" by being a minor civilian sort for a
defense contractor on a USN aircraft carrier. [I tend to dismiss
the claims of "taking photographs for naval intelligence" as having
any importance]

When does a defense contractors work aboard a USN aircraft carrier
become a "minor civilian sort". You say it all when you add the
parenthetical material. You seem to have difficulty making a statement
about someone's work or military service without insulting them. This
has long been your method.

"Dave" wants his State experiences enobled as wonderful radio
acts for the nation or something.

When was that ever claimed by me?

By the way, Dave is my name. It needs no quotes. "William's" name
isn't William.

State Department just doesn't
have the size or scope to compete with the U.S. military commo
facilities.

....or it could just be that needs of the Department of State aren't the
same as those of the U.S. military.

The DSN has taken over the day-to-day task for that
and the U.S. Army Signal Corps has long served State for the
vital sensitive communications means (which "Dave" will
immediately argue since he is most sensitive to any sort of
negativism to "Dave").

Dave will argue because there are no facts to support your silly claim.
The U.S. Army Signal Corps not only hasn't "long served State", it plays
absolutely no role in providing the U.S. Department of State with
communications. Once again, you make a statement of supposed fact with
the truth omitted. Do you ever get anything correct?

Ooooo...I've "insulted" a member of the USMC? Horrors!

Yes, I was unaware that the USMC is hero of the U.S. military and
the savior of all wars and is therefore ALLOWED (perhaps
encouraged) to insult and demean all other U.S. military service
branch veterans. See cute little Yiddish pejoratives such as "Putz"
(which means 'penis head').

Steve has never insulted my Air Force service. You have. Brian Burke
has. I get the feeling that Steve's pet name for you has nothing to do
with the fact that you served in the Army. He insults you, not the
Army.
You aren't the Army.

Tsk. I am "guilty" of an inter-service faux pas according to your
veteranism (or veterinarianism or vegetarianism) as a military
veteran yourself. I was unaware that standing retreat (a military
ceremony at sundown) honoring 23 members of my military
battalion was somehow "dishonoring them" (according to the
medically-discharged USMC veteran). Mea culpa.

You weren't insulted for standing retreat. You were insulted for trying
to associate their deaths with your service. The two were not connected
except that you later served in the same unit in a different place. Your
attempt backfired in much the same way as your "Sphincter post", the one
in which you describe how someone feels in battle. The only problem
was, you were never in battle.

You've neglected to "correct" me on many other things that
involved communications that I've experienced since 1956...
except some brief mentions on SURPLUS equipment of WW2
era radio. You don't know SINCGARS or the IHFR families
which are the mainstay of small-unit operations in today's
military...IHFR involves HF spectrum communications and the
present-day PRC-104 is part of that IHFR effort since 1986.

That's all nice. Thanks for yet another irrelevant restatement of your
knowledge of SINCGARS, IHFR and small unit military communications. I
never served in a small unit nor do I need SINCGARS or IHFR in my
amateur radio operations. Come to think of it, I never needed them in
my Department of State communications.

Show us your heroism and wonderful deeds that makes YOU so
superior you can denigrate those of us who DID serve in the military.

Where have I "denigrated" anyone's military or other government service?

Myself and Brian Burke by implication if not directly. Further,
you've supported or condoned other PCTAs for personally insulting
the both of us. All that has been in public view here.

You're long on emotion and short on facts, Len. There are any number of
things taking place in the world on which you've not commented. By your
logic, you must support or condone them.

Dave K8MN

William wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
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(William) writes:


What we got is an "interpretation" by the FCC that Farnsworth spacing
"is okay for VECs to use in testing." Not in any Part 97 and never even
left the Commission (except to the supreme court of the league).

Yep. Sumbuddy said it was OK.

You should certainly understand that concept, "William". It mirrors
your amateur radio experience in Somalia.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

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PAMNO (N2EY) writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

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(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

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(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

"Greenlee punch or Nibbler?"

Such relevant questions.

From two nonbuilders...

Kiss my yes, Jimmie boy.

My hometown is where the Greenlee company IS and I've even been
in that part of Greenlee and SEEN those punches being made...in
1949.

You've actually SEEN them being made? I'm really impressed. I guess
that makes you something of an expert. I've actually sold them but I've
never SEEN them being made.

[that part of Greenlee is just two large rooms of punch-making
and grinding machinery, very very small compared to the Main
Building they are located in] For that matter, I've also seen part of
the GC Electronics operations when their wire-stripper line was still a
part of it...and known two who worked there (in 1956). [GC is now a
merge with Walsco and most of their 'products' are produced by others
on an OEM basis]

Did you snaffle any Q-Dope?

I have a small collection of Greenlee punches which have been
gathering rust and dust.

That's believable. Apparently, you don't actually build anything. I'll
bet you've SEEN people build things.


That means BUYING chassis somewhere...or
snaffling ("swipe") them.

You mean steal? I don't do that.

Heavens, no! That would be a SIN and you'd still be mumbling
Hail Marys...

Don't you consider stealing to be wrong, Leonard?


The excuse to be given will be that he "bought it at a flea market"
or some hamvention for "a very low price." :-)

How is that an "excuse", Len? It's the truth, in some cases. In others,
chassis, panels and other parts were recycled from other sources.

Riiiighhhht.

What does your response indicate, Len?

For example, the transmitter section is built in the case from a BC-191/375
tuning unit, with a new panel made from a piece of sheet aluminum. Total cost
about $2.

Riiiiighhhht. :-)

What does your response indicate, Len?

another recounting of the ADA tale snipped


Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in
both military and nonmilitary government service.

Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat
experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-)

Or those who were "in Vietnam" yet can't be specific about what
they did or where.

Can't be or won't be, Leonard? Fact is, I did a tour in Viet Nam in the
USAF, 1970-1971.

Wow! A whole year! See any "action?" :-)

What EXACTLY did you do? (you never mentioned that in detail)

You made insulting remarks about it.

I ran out of medals and pretty certificates (suitable for framing).

Or those who "served the country" by being a minor civilian sort for a
defense contractor on a USN aircraft carrier. [I tend to dismiss
the claims of "taking photographs for naval intelligence" as having
any importance]

When does a defense contractors work aboard a USN aircraft carrier
become a "minor civilian sort". You say it all when you add the
parenthetical material. You seem to have difficulty making a statement
about someone's work or military service without insulting them. This
has long been your method.

Tsk. I'm just copying the style of the PCTA...all "heroes" if from
their glowing self-styled words. Any NCTA never "really" served
their country.

"Dave" wants his State experiences enobled as wonderful radio
acts for the nation or something.

When was that ever claimed by me?

It's in between just about every line you write... :-)

By the way, Dave is my name. It needs no quotes. "William's" name
isn't William.

I thought you were "K8MN." Apparently that is the formal name
that other PCTA use in referring to you.

"Dave" is your legal signature? It isn't "David?" Tsk. My bad.

State Department just doesn't
have the size or scope to compete with the U.S. military commo
facilities.

...or it could just be that needs of the Department of State aren't the
same as those of the U.S. military.

The DSN has taken over the day-to-day task for that
and the U.S. Army Signal Corps has long served State for the
vital sensitive communications means (which "Dave" will
immediately argue since he is most sensitive to any sort of
negativism to "Dave").

Dave will argue because there are no facts to support your silly claim.
The U.S. Army Signal Corps not only hasn't "long served State", it plays
absolutely no role in providing the U.S. Department of State with
communications.

Tsk. For years the U.S. Army Signal Corps has been assigned
the task of providing communications for the President of the
United States. When the "hotline" was operational (I don't know
if it still is), it was manned by Signal Corps personnel at the
Washington end. [public references are available for that
information]

The DSN is now the main communications means for all government
communications, military and civilian alike. The DSN is maintained
by military personnel, usually by USA or USAF units depending on
the territory.

Once again, you make a statement of supposed fact with
the truth omitted. Do you ever get anything correct?

Well, "Dave without the quote marks," last time I looked, the
President of the United States is rather OVER the State
Department. [see any government organization chart]

The "hotline' (continuous TTY circuit, Washington to Moscow)
served for at least three decades, all that time run at this end
of the circuit by U.S. Army Signal Corps people. [one can see
a couple photos of that in David Kahn's "The Codebreakers,"
NYT best-seller listing in the early 1960s]


You weren't insulted for standing retreat. You were insulted for trying
to associate their deaths with your service.

Tsk. "Steve" deliberately made that "dishonor" statement (false)
and you must back it up because you want to personally insult
me. Rather SOP in here among the rezidentura PCTA extras. :-)


The only problem was, you were never in battle.

Almost true. :-) Was shot AT just once on TDY to the Land of
Morning Calm. Never saw who did the shooting.

In retrospect, I think it might have been a PCTA or some USMC
rebel. :-)

Perhaps BOTH? :-)


That's all nice. Thanks for yet another irrelevant restatement of your
knowledge of SINCGARS, IHFR and small unit military communications. I
never served in a small unit nor do I need SINCGARS or IHFR in my
amateur radio operations. Come to think of it, I never needed them in
my Department of State communications.

What DID you use? AN/FRC-93? :-)

Tsk. Department of State communications isn't REALLY relevant
to U.S. amateur radio, is it?

Hello, do I hear some hypocrisy from a PCTA critic? :-)


You're long on emotion and short on facts, Len.

Tsk. You are big on wind-bagedness and get your "corrections"
WRONG.

Sunnuvagun!

There are any number of
things taking place in the world on which you've not commented.

Tsk. Those aren't relevant to U.S. amateur radio POLICY, are they?

I mean, such as U.S. Presidential politics...the space business...
choo-choo trains...professional medical practice...oh, a whole host
of things mentioned by the PCTAs who are "involved" in something
or other...but not discussing amateur radio policy matters. :-)

Radio is radio. It obeys physical laws, not the laws of mankind.

The FCC is tasked to regulate all of U.S. civil radio. Oddly enough,
the FCC is most "involved" in U.S. amateur radio even though NO
commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license.

Sunnuvagun!