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(N2EY) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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(Len Over 21) writes:

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PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country
in
both military and nonmilitary government service.

Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat
experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-)

Mostly just for daring to disagree with you.

Oh Bull-****, N2EY!

I DARE to agree with Len on a topic, any topic.

Yes, "William" 'dares' to agree with Len on any and every topic.

I agree with Len on some topics (like BPL being A Bad Thing) and
disagree on others.

You "agree?!?" Har!

He can't do that.

Can't do what? Agree with Len? That's already been disproved.

Tsk. Jimmie be without fault. He be "correcting" others right
away.

The slightest exception to the rule will prove him "right." :-)


John McCain served in the USN, flying in combat.

Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book.

Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when he
was in Japan.

Sunuvagun!

Tsk. You seem to be saying there were NO Soviet bombers in
range of Japan in the 1950s?

Jimmie be expert on TAC? He be called on the carpet then.

We wind up with carpet TACs.


Jimmie knew Soviet air tactics like the back of your hand.

Where did you get that idea, Len?

It just came to me. Some messages "just write themselves!"

He
saw the film "Dr. Strangelove: etc." and that makes him an
"expert" on SAC, TAC, Manny, Moe, and Jack. :-)

Where have I ever claimed to be an expert on anything?

Tsk. You are superior to all who come close to disagreeing with you
with all those "corrections." :-)


Rest of your bile snipped.

Can't deal with the facts, I see.

Well, that bile has to go somewhere. Better here than polluting
some PA community. :-)

The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing
contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a
lot of effort into it.

Tsk. Rev. Jim is readying another Sermon on the Antenna Mount?

Rev. Jim "puts a lot of effort" into making SURE that all those
he thinks need "corrections" get those "corrections!" QED.

btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began
calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of course
you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other
names, and referring to him by the wrong gender.

Tsk. You are still being Judge and Jury via Google, aintfcha?

:-)

When Rev. Jim runs out of arguments in the present, he MUST
resort to Googling to "prove" something.

Jimmie thinks he can "win" some past arguments by repeating and
rehashing OLD ones? Of course...if for no other reason that Jimmie
Must Be Right in his own mind. Subject itself be damned, concentrate
on defaming the opponent in order to "win." Tsk.

Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to stop.

Ah...you must have run out of damp hankies to slap folk on the
wrist as self-styled moderator! :-)

But I don't think you want him to stop.

Doesn't really matter to me. There will ALWAYS be some yo-yo
out there who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal
insult thing in order to "win an argument." :-) Those are all easy
marks. Plenty of them. :-)

So...have you found a new job yet to resume your "professional"
career?"

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
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(William) writes:


What we got is an "interpretation" by the FCC that Farnsworth spacing
"is okay for VECs to use in testing." Not in any Part 97 and never even
left the Commission (except to the supreme court of the league).

Yep. Sumbuddy said it was OK.

You should certainly understand that concept, "William". It mirrors
your amateur radio experience in Somalia.

Dave K8MN

Wow! Farnsworth testing is like Somalia.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
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(William) writes:


What we got is an "interpretation" by the FCC that Farnsworth spacing
"is okay for VECs to use in testing." Not in any Part 97 and never even
left the Commission (except to the supreme court of the league).

Yep. Sumbuddy said it was OK.

You should certainly understand that concept, "William". It mirrors
your amateur radio experience in Somalia.

Dave K8MN

Wow! Farnsworth testing is like Somalia.

The words were there right in front of you and still you managed to get
it wrong.

Farnsworth spacing used in morse testing - Somebody said it was okay.

Your amateur radio operation from Somalia - Somebody said it was okay.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in
both military and nonmilitary government service.

Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat
experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-)

Or those who were "in Vietnam" yet can't be specific about what
they did or where.

Can't be or won't be, Leonard? Fact is, I did a tour in Viet Nam in the
USAF, 1970-1971.

Wow! A whole year! See any "action?" :-)

Yeah, a whole year. Care to figure out how much longer than John Kerry
I was there?

What EXACTLY did you do? (you never mentioned that in detail)

(no, I never mentioned that in detail. enjoy the suspense.)

You made insulting remarks about it.

I ran out of medals and pretty certificates (suitable for framing).

You no more issue medals and certificates for Viet Nam service than you
participate in amateur radio.

Or those who "served the country" by being a minor civilian sort for a
defense contractor on a USN aircraft carrier. [I tend to dismiss
the claims of "taking photographs for naval intelligence" as having
any importance]

When does a defense contractors work aboard a USN aircraft carrier
become a "minor civilian sort". You say it all when you add the
parenthetical material. You seem to have difficulty making a statement
about someone's work or military service without insulting them. This
has long been your method.

Tsk. I'm just copying the style of the PCTA...all "heroes" if from
their glowing self-styled words. Any NCTA never "really" served
their country.

You're actually just copying your own style.

"Dave" wants his State experiences enobled as wonderful radio
acts for the nation or something.

When was that ever claimed by me?

It's in between just about every line you write... :-)

You should get together with your fan base, "William". Both of you
spend your time reading what isn't written instead of what is written.

By the way, Dave is my name. It needs no quotes. "William's" name
isn't William.

I thought you were "K8MN." Apparently that is the formal name
that other PCTA use in referring to you.

We radio amateurs are issued callsigns. We often use them instead of
names. You may forgiven your ignorance since you're an outsider.

"Dave" is your legal signature? It isn't "David?" Tsk. My bad.

Is "Len" your legal signature? You recently told someone to call you
"Len"...or ".

State Department just doesn't
have the size or scope to compete with the U.S. military commo
facilities.

...or it could just be that needs of the Department of State aren't the
same as those of the U.S. military.

The DSN has taken over the day-to-day task for that
and the U.S. Army Signal Corps has long served State for the
vital sensitive communications means (which "Dave" will
immediately argue since he is most sensitive to any sort of
negativism to "Dave").

Dave will argue because there are no facts to support your silly claim.
The U.S. Army Signal Corps not only hasn't "long served State", it plays
absolutely no role in providing the U.S. Department of State with
communications.

Tsk. For years the U.S. Army Signal Corps has been assigned
the task of providing communications for the President of the
United States.

That's wonderful news, Leonard. I'd have never known anything about
WHCA if not for your insider information. Haw! The Department of State
is not involved with POTUS communications. My involvement in the '97
Clinton-Yeltsin summit in Helsinki dealt with obtaining frequency
clearances, obtaining permission to use repeater sites, obtaining a
mini-switch and the requested number of telephone lines for the site
hotel and obtaining a number of cellular telephones for the President's
team.

When the "hotline" was operational (I don't know
if it still is), it was manned by Signal Corps personnel at the
Washington end. [public references are available for that
information]

And this information, relates to Department of State communications in
what particular way?

The DSN is now the main communications means for all government
communications, military and civilian alike.

....or so you apparently think.

The DSN is maintained
by military personnel, usually by USA or USAF units depending on
the territory.

In all my days in Department of State communications, I never once dealt
with military personnel as a part of normal operations. That was true
whether the circuit was radio or leased line.

Once again, you make a statement of supposed fact with
the truth omitted. Do you ever get anything correct?

Well, "Dave without the quote marks," last time I looked, the
President of the United States is rather OVER the State
Department. [see any government organization chart]

I see you've come up with a simplistic view of things. That might have
led you to make some very incorrect assumptions. The President is OVER
the CIA. The military does not run CIA communications. The President
is OVER the Department of Energy. The military does not run Department
of Energy communications. You're batting zip.

The "hotline' (continuous TTY circuit, Washington to Moscow)
served for at least three decades, all that time run at this end
of the circuit by U.S. Army Signal Corps people. [one can see
a couple photos of that in David Kahn's "The Codebreakers,"
NYT best-seller listing in the early 1960s]

....and this relates to the Department of State in what way? The fact
is, you're completely incorrect. You don't know what you're talking
about.
If it is possible, you know less about Department of State
communications than you know of amateur radio.

You weren't insulted for standing retreat. You were insulted for trying
to associate their deaths with your service.

Tsk. "Steve" deliberately made that "dishonor" statement (false)
and you must back it up because you want to personally insult
me. Rather SOP in here among the rezidentura PCTA extras. :-)

Yes, Steve made a statement. If I'm not mistaken, he viewed your
attempt to associate yourself with those who died in battle as
dishonoring them.

I note that you snipped my remarks about your classici Sphincter post,
the one in which you described what it feels like to be in battle. My
remakrs ended with the line below:

The only problem was, you were never in battle.

Almost true. :-) Was shot AT just once on TDY to the Land of
Morning Calm. Never saw who did the shooting.

You were shot at once while on TDY and that became the basis for the
Sphincter Post?

In retrospect, I think it might have been a PCTA or some USMC
rebel. :-)

Or one of your Army colleagues who tired of hearing the ADA lectures.
:-)

Perhaps BOTH? :-)

Why? Were you shooting off your mouth about morse testing back then?

That's all nice. Thanks for yet another irrelevant restatement of your
knowledge of SINCGARS, IHFR and small unit military communications. I
never served in a small unit nor do I need SINCGARS or IHFR in my
amateur radio operations. Come to think of it, I never needed them in
my Department of State communications.

What DID you use? AN/FRC-93? :-)

Keep guessing.

Tsk. Department of State communications isn't REALLY relevant
to U.S. amateur radio, is it?

It is at least as relevant as your experience at ADA--a lot more recent
too. Then again, you brought up my State Department service.

Hello, do I hear some hypocrisy from a PCTA critic? :-)

None at all. You, Leonard Anderson, introduced my State Department
communications experience. You crowed about how the military controls
Department of State communications. You were flat wrong.

You're long on emotion and short on facts, Len.

Tsk. You are big on wind-bagedness and get your "corrections"
WRONG.

"Bagedness"? This newsgroup has never seen your equal as a
pontificating windbag. Trouble is, much of your information is just
wrong.

Sunnuvagun!

There are any number of
things taking place in the world on which you've not commented.

Tsk. Those aren't relevant to U.S. amateur radio POLICY, are they?

Ohhhhhhhh. So when you commented to Jim about supporting or condoning
something Steve might have written, you meant just those things directly
relating to amateur radio policy? Is that correct?


Radio is radio. It obeys physical laws, not the laws of mankind.

The FCC is tasked to regulate all of U.S. civil radio.

That has to be a tough assignment since, as you said, radio obeys only
physical laws, not the laws of mankind. Just how does the Commission
manage to make radio behave?

Oddly enough,
the FCC is most "involved" in U.S. amateur radio even though NO
commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license.

It isn't odd at all, Len. Let me paint your a pictu

FCC: Regulates radio. Paid to do so. Involved in amateur radio.

Radio Amateurs: Tested and licensed to use radio under Part 97 of
FCC regs. Taking payment for providing radio
service is prohibited. Involved in amateur radio.

Len Anderson: Does not regulate amateur radio. Not licensed under Part
97 of FCC rules. Not involved in amateur radio.

There.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

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(N2EY) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book.

Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when he
was in Japan.

Sunuvagun!

Tsk. You seem to be saying there were NO Soviet bombers in
range of Japan in the 1950s?

That's wrong (again), Leonard. He is saying that Soviet "Bear" bombers
could not have been a threat to you during your military service in
Japan, despite what you indicated here. As with your well known
"Sphincter Post", it leads some of us to question your character.


The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing
contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a
lot of effort into it.

Tsk. Rev. Jim is readying another Sermon on the Antenna Mount?

Jim states a fact. Don't you have an acceptable response?

Rev. Jim "puts a lot of effort" into making SURE that all those
he thinks need "corrections" get those "corrections!" QED.

What has that to do with your whizzing contest?

btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began
calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of course
you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other
names, and referring to him by the wrong gender.

Tsk. You are still being Judge and Jury via Google, aintfcha?

:-)

Jim is? Not at all, Leonard. Your archived words and the dates on
which you posted them are archived. It is proof of your actions. In
this case, things didn't happen the way you claim they did.

When Rev. Jim runs out of arguments in the present, he MUST
resort to Googling to "prove" something.

....and it looks like the Google archives of newsgroup posts did just
that. The archive seems to prove that version of events is not correct.

Jimmie thinks he can "win" some past arguments by repeating and
rehashing OLD ones?

When you start the "Jimmie" stuff, it is obvious that he has zapped you
good. You made a recent statement and issued it as a factual account of
something which took place. The trouble is, the Google archives say
otherwise.

Of course...if for no other reason that Jimmie
Must Be Right in his own mind. Subject itself be damned, concentrate
on defaming the opponent in order to "win." Tsk.

Diversion on your part. If you didn't want to be batted around on this
issue, you could have refrained from, "Well, HE started it".

Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to stop.

Ah...you must have run out of damp hankies to slap folk on the
wrist as self-styled moderator! :-)

When did it become Jim's job to regulate Steve?

But I don't think you want him to stop.

Doesn't really matter to me. There will ALWAYS be some yo-yo
out there who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal
insult thing in order to "win an argument." :-) Those are alleasy
marks. Plenty of them. :-)

If anyone would know, you'd know.

You don't want anyone else doing what you do.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Are you gonna bring back your classic "sphincter post", Leonard?

March 28, 2000, right here on rrap.

Fun fact about that one:

The thread "Morse Monleys Are The Worst" (which contains that classic) was
started by "Meg A Hertz" who preferred to be anonymous. Discussion went on
between various parties but "Lenof21" (the screen name Len was using at the
time) did not get involved until the classic. IOW, it wasn't a response to
someone's posting to him.

Most interesting, of course, is the fact that Len tears into and insults the
*military radio communications* experiences of another, without provocation of
any kind.

Unless....perhaps "Meg A Hertz" and "Lenof21" are one and the same?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: Dave Heil
Date: 11/8/2004 11:12 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book.

Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when he
was in Japan.

Sunuvagun!

Tsk. You seem to be saying there were NO Soviet bombers in
range of Japan in the 1950s?

That's wrong (again), Leonard. He is saying that Soviet "Bear" bombers
could not have been a threat to you during your military service in
Japan, despite what you indicated here. As with your well known
"Sphincter Post", it leads some of us to question your character.

"...some of us"...?!?!

How about everyone except Brain? Vippy finally showed enough common sense
to bow out when the facts were laid before him IRT Lennie the Lame.

Jim is? Not at all, Leonard. Your archived words and the dates on
which you posted them are archived. It is proof of your actions. In
this case, things didn't happen the way you claim they did.

Jimmie thinks he can "win" some past arguments by repeating and
rehashing OLD ones?

When you start the "Jimmie" stuff, it is obvious that he has zapped you
good. You made a recent statement and issued it as a factual account of
something which took place. The trouble is, the Google archives say
otherwise.

Brain and Lennie have a hard time not tripping over their own stories.
Pretty danged stupid, if you ask me, considering all thye have to do is spend a
couple minutes paging back through

Of course...if for no other reason that Jimmie
Must Be Right in his own mind. Subject itself be damned, concentrate
on defaming the opponent in order to "win." Tsk.

Diversion on your part. If you didn't want to be batted around on this
issue, you could have refrained from, "Well, HE started it".

Since when did Jim "defame" anyone?

But I don't think you want him to stop.

Doesn't really matter to me. There will ALWAYS be some yo-yo
out there who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal
insult thing in order to "win an argument." :-) Those are alleasy
marks. Plenty of them. :-)

If anyone would know, you'd know.

You don't want anyone else doing what you do.

Slam dunk.

73

Steve, K4YZ