"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net...
"N2EY" wrote

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Jim,

Are you suggesting that Toshiba should employ non-professional amateur
engineers to build their TV's to avoid this problem?

Or are you suggesting that even professionally designed equipment may
sometimes fail and generate a "birdie" at 121.5 or 243.0?

Or were you just trolling?

73, de K0HB

Hello, Hans

C'mon, you know better than that. Perhaps the point is that equipment
sold in the United States is *supposed* to be (and likely was) checked
for radiated emissions. In my opinion, it should also be checked for
radiated immunity, but that's another story. Also, conducted
emissions are checked and now they even check if a system is
distorting the AC mains! That was coming on line when I left the test
lab in 1996.

Of course, commercial equipment can and does fail at times. I
remember we blew out the power supply of a monitor when we were
irradiating the device under test with 3 v/m unmodulated rf at around
220 MHz. The picture started to tear and then the breaker tripped.
Couldn't get it going again.

The FCC is preoccupied with authorizing BPL and as long as government
communications don't get hosed, they don't care. Apparently, however,
they don't like false signals being sent on distress frequencies.
They should stop being a mouthpiece for the current administration and
power companies and get back to trying to make the airwaves a viable
shared service for all.


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Jim Hampton" wrote

C'mon, you know better than that. Perhaps the point is that equipment
sold in the United States is *supposed* to be (and likely was) checked
for radiated emissions.

Of course I know better than that!

And so does Jim.

A single example of this product developed some sort of birdie/spur on
121.5. Nothing more, nothing less.

Of course the story makes good news copy on a slow day, but it's hardly
a remarkable incident, and certainly not a reason to make snide innuendo
about "Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS". Neither is it a reasonable
basis for a jeremiad about the FCC shirking their responsibilities.

Sheeeeesh!

73, de K0HB
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My name is Hans and I improved this message.

Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: "KØHB"
Date: 10/18/2004 8:16 PM Central Standard Time
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"Jim Hampton" wrote

C'mon, you know better than that. Perhaps the point is that equipment
sold in the United States is *supposed* to be (and likely was) checked
for radiated emissions.

Of course I know better than that!

And so does Jim.

A single example of this product developed some sort of birdie/spur on
121.5. Nothing more, nothing less.

On the contrary.

That device is a rather expensive piece of consumer electronics. If I
plop down more than $100 for a television, I darn well expect it to do what I
want, and I DON'T expect it to do stuff I don't want it to do...Like QRM'ing
SARSAT.

Of course the story makes good news copy on a slow day, but it's hardly
a remarkable incident, and certainly not a reason to make snide innuendo
about "Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS".

Sure it was.

It was an expensive piece of consumer electronics that launched an even
more expensive (and potentially distracting) search and rescue mission. The
USAF and it's proxy, Civil Air Patrol do NOT dismiss as "unimportant" ELT
signals or RF radiated on ANY frequency that have the potential of being a
distress signal.

Neither is it a reasonable
basis for a jeremiad about the FCC shirking their responsibilities.

Why not?

What other agency is responsible for establishing the technical standards
for consumer

Sheeeeesh!

Sunnuvagun!

My name is Hans and I improved this message.

This was improved?

Steve, K4YZ

In article , "KØHB"
writes:

"Jim Hampton" wrote

C'mon, you know better than that. Perhaps the point is that equipment
sold in the United States is *supposed* to be (and likely was) checked
for radiated emissions.

Of course I know better than that!

And so does Jim.

A single example of this product developed some sort of birdie/spur on
121.5. Nothing more, nothing less.

If it happened once, it can happen again. We don't really know what made it
fail that way.

Of course the story makes good news copy on a slow day, but it's hardly
a remarkable incident,

False signal on a distress frequency? Possible fine of $10,000 if the owner
turns it on again? Somewhat remarkable to me.

and certainly not a reason to make snide innuendo
about "Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS".

I was simply pointing out that *any* piece of electronics can have problems. I
guess that's not allowed here.

Just like one must not wear shirts with the slogan "Protect Our Civil
Liberties" where President Bush can see them.

Neither is it a reasonable
basis for a jeremiad about the FCC shirking their responsibilities.

I think it is, considering the background of how loose certification has
become.

---

On the subject of "MADE IN CHINA": There was a story in the local paper's
business section about the bottleneck at various West Coast ports, specifically
Long Beach and Los Angeles. Imports from Pacific Rim countries, particularly
China, are arriving at such a rate that ships wait as much as a week to be
unloaded because the port facilities can't handle the flow. New people are
being hired and the facilities expanded, but such expansion takes time.

Of course what's less visible is the flow of money in the opposite direction.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote

On the subject of "MADE IN CHINA": There was a story in the local
paper's
business section about the bottleneck at various West Coast ports,
specifically
Long Beach and Los Angeles. Imports from Pacific Rim countries,
particularly
China, are arriving at such a rate that ships wait as much as a week
to be
unloaded because the port facilities can't handle the flow. New people
are
being hired and the facilities expanded, but such expansion takes
time.

Of course what's less visible is the flow of money in the opposite
direction.

If US manufacturers don't want the business at that price, then they
have no reason to whine when an offshore firm does.

73, de K0HB
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My name is Hans and I improved this message.

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

On the subject of "MADE IN CHINA": There was a story in the local
paper's
business section about the bottleneck at various West Coast ports,
specifically
Long Beach and Los Angeles. Imports from Pacific Rim countries,
particularly
China, are arriving at such a rate that ships wait as much as a week
to be
unloaded because the port facilities can't handle the flow. New people
are
being hired and the facilities expanded, but such expansion takes
time.

Of course what's less visible is the flow of money in the opposite
direction.

If US manufacturers don't want the business at that price, then they
have no reason to whine when an offshore firm does.

Would you be willing to work for what your Chinese counterpart is paid? And
work under his conditions?

Would you be willing to repeal most environmental, safety, and child-labor
laws? How about intellectual-property protection?

I wouldn't.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote

Would you be willing to work for what your Chinese counterpart is
paid? And
work under his conditions?

Would you be willing to repeal most environmental, safety, and
child-labor
laws? How about intellectual-property protection?

That's all a red-herring of Andersonesque proportions and you know it.
(If you don't know it, then enroll in a basic global economics class at
your local Community College.)

73, de Hans, K0HB

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

On the subject of "MADE IN CHINA": There was a story in the local
paper's
business section about the bottleneck at various West Coast ports,
specifically
Long Beach and Los Angeles. Imports from Pacific Rim countries,
particularly
China, are arriving at such a rate that ships wait as much as a week
to be
unloaded because the port facilities can't handle the flow. New people
are
being hired and the facilities expanded, but such expansion takes
time.

Of course what's less visible is the flow of money in the opposite
direction.

If US manufacturers don't want the business at that price, then they
have no reason to whine when an offshore firm does.

Would you be willing to work for what your Chinese counterpart is paid? And
work under his conditions?

Would you be willing to repeal most environmental, safety, and child-labor
laws? How about intellectual-property protection?

So what's your solution? Shut off Pacific Rim imports and "Buy
American"? Then cheerfully pay maybe $2,000 for a 21" Motorola TV
rcvr? Or do you actually think that by shutting down imports from
China we can "reform" them?


I wouldn't.

73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

Brian Kelly wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:


"N2EY" wrote


On the subject of "MADE IN CHINA": There was a story in the local
paper's
business section about the bottleneck at various West Coast ports,
specifically
Long Beach and Los Angeles. Imports from Pacific Rim countries,
particularly
China, are arriving at such a rate that ships wait as much as a week
to be
unloaded because the port facilities can't handle the flow. New people
are
being hired and the facilities expanded, but such expansion takes
time.

Of course what's less visible is the flow of money in the opposite
direction.

If US manufacturers don't want the business at that price, then they
have no reason to whine when an offshore firm does.


Would you be willing to work for what your Chinese counterpart is paid? And
work under his conditions?

Would you be willing to repeal most environmental, safety, and child-labor
laws? How about intellectual-property protection?


So what's your solution? Shut off Pacific Rim imports and "Buy
American"? Then cheerfully pay maybe $2,000 for a 21" Motorola TV
rcvr? Or do you actually think that by shutting down imports from
China we can "reform" them?

Do you suggest we break out our little book of quotations from the
Chairman?

It isn't funny business. That country is hell bent on becoming the new
worlds economic power - replacing us, and too many people are just happy
to accept it. After all, they can just go home and watch that 99 dollar
TV. Eventually, it will catch up with us.

We live in a country where people seriously suggest boycotting Heinz
Ketchup, and Proctor and Gamble for their satanic logo. Wonderful to see
such conviction.

But we are willingly allowing a communist nation (and remember, they
are STILL a communist nation) to use all the tricks in the book to
undercut the rest of the world economically.

BTW, not too many people noticed just a couple months ago, when the US
lost out on the title of the preferred country for investments. Guess
who is number one now?

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote

On the subject of "MADE IN CHINA": There was a story in the local
paper's
business section about the bottleneck at various West Coast ports,
specifically
Long Beach and Los Angeles. Imports from Pacific Rim countries,
particularly
China, are arriving at such a rate that ships wait as much as a week
to be
unloaded because the port facilities can't handle the flow. New people
are
being hired and the facilities expanded, but such expansion takes
time.

Of course what's less visible is the flow of money in the opposite
direction.

If US manufacturers don't want the business at that price, then they
have no reason to whine when an offshore firm does.

Would you be willing to work for what your Chinese counterpart is paid? And
work under his conditions?

Would you be willing to repeal most environmental, safety, and child-labor
laws? How about intellectual-property protection?

So what's your solution?

Long term thinking.

Shut off Pacific Rim imports and "Buy
American"?

No.

Then cheerfully pay maybe $2,000 for a 21" Motorola TV
rcvr?

In the very early 1980s I paid about $300 for a 19" TV set. It lasted almost 20
years with one minor repair. $300 then is what - $600 today?

With all the improvements in the intervening years, I'd expect a US made 21" to
cost less than $500, not $2000. And yes, I'd pay more for American-made.

Or do you actually think that by shutting down imports from
China we can "reform" them?

Where did I say we should cut off imports from them?

Now, you answer my questions:

Would you be willing to work for what your Chinese counterpart is paid? And
work under his conditions?

Would you be willing to repeal most environmental, safety, and child-labor
laws? How about intellectual-property protection?

On that last item, note that one of the prime problems foreign firms are having
in China is dealing with underpriced knockoffs. Like a major software company
finding copies of their products for sale in China at less than 10% of the
price of real ones - and the authorities won't do anything about it. Not
because they're corrupt, but because they don't consider that sort of thing to
be wrong. To them, it's more important to get the software into use in China,
so that it can contribute to the build-up of the economy. Their concept of
production cost appears to be the cost to burn the CDs and make the packaging.
A perfect example of "From each according to his ability, to each according to
his need".

73 de Jim, N2EY