(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Trying to turn away, and in doing so exposing the side of the ship to the
danger, was the final mistake. That action can be understood, however, because
the decision to do it was made in haste. (Later analysis showed that had the
First Officer simply reversed engines and hit the 'berg head-on, the ship
would
have stayed afloat and few if any lives would have been lost).

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Why are you laughing, Len? 1500 people died that night. Do you think
that's funny?

Riiiighhhtttt...

Yes, it is:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/8912

http://www.cruiseserver.net/travelpa...ws_titanic.asp

http://titanic.marconigraph.com/mgy_grounding.html

Some time after the Titanic disaster, liner Niagara did indeed run
headlong into an iceberg. She did not sink and all of her passengers
survived (details in one of the references above).

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

N2EY" wrote

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/10182004_bb_tv.html

Jim,

Are you suggesting that Toshiba should employ non-professional amateur
engineers to build their TV's to avoid this problem?

Or are you suggesting that even professionally designed equipment may
sometimes fail and generate a "birdie" at 121.5 or 243.0?

The latter, Hans.

73 de Jim, N2EY

On 18 Oct 2004 22:57:00 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

N2EY" wrote

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/10182004_bb_tv.html

Jim,

Are you suggesting that Toshiba should employ non-professional amateur
engineers to build their TV's to avoid this problem?

Or are you suggesting that even professionally designed equipment may
sometimes fail and generate a "birdie" at 121.5 or 243.0?

The latter, Hans.

Jim, I noticed that Hans had three options to choose from in his
original post - the third being:

Or were you just trolling?

For the sake of accuracy, this one would be the latter , Jim.....

Seems to fit best, as well. And as usual.


73 de Jim, N2EY

73, Leo

In article , Leo
writes:

On 18 Oct 2004 22:57:00 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

N2EY" wrote

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/10182004_bb_tv.html

Jim,

Are you suggesting that Toshiba should employ non-professional amateur
engineers to build their TV's to avoid this problem?

Or are you suggesting that even professionally designed equipment may
sometimes fail and generate a "birdie" at 121.5 or 243.0?

The latter, Hans.

Jim, I noticed that Hans had three options to choose from in his
original post - the third being:

Or were you just trolling?

For the sake of accuracy, this one would be the latter , Jim.....

Seems to fit best, as well. And as usual.


My point was simply that even high priced state of the art electronics can go
awry at times, and in ways that affect more than the owner of the device.

IOW, nobody's perfect.

73 de Jim, N2EY

On 19 Oct 2004 09:42:11 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

On 18 Oct 2004 22:57:00 GMT, PAMNO (N2EY) wrote:

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

N2EY" wrote

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/10182004_bb_tv.html

Jim,

Are you suggesting that Toshiba should employ non-professional amateur
engineers to build their TV's to avoid this problem?

Or are you suggesting that even professionally designed equipment may
sometimes fail and generate a "birdie" at 121.5 or 243.0?

The latter, Hans.

Jim, I noticed that Hans had three options to choose from in his
original post - the third being:

Or were you just trolling?

For the sake of accuracy, this one would be the latter , Jim.....

Seems to fit best, as well. And as usual.


My point was simply that even high priced state of the art electronics can go
awry at times, and in ways that affect more than the owner of the device.

IOW, nobody's perfect.

Gee, that's good to know - for a minute there, I thought it might have
been another rant on how those pesky bumbling "PROFESSIONALS" keep
messing things up........


73 de Jim, N2EY

73, Leo

"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net...
"N2EY" wrote

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/10182004_bb_tv.html

Jim,

Are you suggesting that Toshiba should employ non-professional amateur
engineers to build their TV's to avoid this problem?

Or are you suggesting that even professionally designed equipment may
sometimes fail and generate a "birdie" at 121.5 or 243.0?

Or were you just trolling?

73, de K0HB

He didn't make any comment whatsoever. We'll have to wait for Darkguard.

"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net...
"N2EY" wrote

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/10182004_bb_tv.html

Jim,

Are you suggesting that Toshiba should employ non-professional amateur
engineers to build their TV's to avoid this problem?

Or are you suggesting that even professionally designed equipment may
sometimes fail and generate a "birdie" at 121.5 or 243.0?

Or were you just trolling?

73, de K0HB

Hello, Hans

C'mon, you know better than that. Perhaps the point is that equipment
sold in the United States is *supposed* to be (and likely was) checked
for radiated emissions. In my opinion, it should also be checked for
radiated immunity, but that's another story. Also, conducted
emissions are checked and now they even check if a system is
distorting the AC mains! That was coming on line when I left the test
lab in 1996.

Of course, commercial equipment can and does fail at times. I
remember we blew out the power supply of a monitor when we were
irradiating the device under test with 3 v/m unmodulated rf at around
220 MHz. The picture started to tear and then the breaker tripped.
Couldn't get it going again.

The FCC is preoccupied with authorizing BPL and as long as government
communications don't get hosed, they don't care. Apparently, however,
they don't like false signals being sent on distress frequencies.
They should stop being a mouthpiece for the current administration and
power companies and get back to trying to make the airwaves a viable
shared service for all.


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Jim Hampton" wrote

C'mon, you know better than that. Perhaps the point is that equipment
sold in the United States is *supposed* to be (and likely was) checked
for radiated emissions.

Of course I know better than that!

And so does Jim.

A single example of this product developed some sort of birdie/spur on
121.5. Nothing more, nothing less.

Of course the story makes good news copy on a slow day, but it's hardly
a remarkable incident, and certainly not a reason to make snide innuendo
about "Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS". Neither is it a reasonable
basis for a jeremiad about the FCC shirking their responsibilities.

Sheeeeesh!

73, de K0HB
--
My name is Hans and I improved this message.

Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: "KØHB"
Date: 10/18/2004 8:16 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



"Jim Hampton" wrote

C'mon, you know better than that. Perhaps the point is that equipment
sold in the United States is *supposed* to be (and likely was) checked
for radiated emissions.

Of course I know better than that!

And so does Jim.

A single example of this product developed some sort of birdie/spur on
121.5. Nothing more, nothing less.

On the contrary.

That device is a rather expensive piece of consumer electronics. If I
plop down more than $100 for a television, I darn well expect it to do what I
want, and I DON'T expect it to do stuff I don't want it to do...Like QRM'ing
SARSAT.

Of course the story makes good news copy on a slow day, but it's hardly
a remarkable incident, and certainly not a reason to make snide innuendo
about "Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS".

Sure it was.

It was an expensive piece of consumer electronics that launched an even
more expensive (and potentially distracting) search and rescue mission. The
USAF and it's proxy, Civil Air Patrol do NOT dismiss as "unimportant" ELT
signals or RF radiated on ANY frequency that have the potential of being a
distress signal.

Neither is it a reasonable
basis for a jeremiad about the FCC shirking their responsibilities.

Why not?

What other agency is responsible for establishing the technical standards
for consumer

Sheeeeesh!

Sunnuvagun!

My name is Hans and I improved this message.

This was improved?

Steve, K4YZ

In article , "KØHB"
writes:

"Jim Hampton" wrote

C'mon, you know better than that. Perhaps the point is that equipment
sold in the United States is *supposed* to be (and likely was) checked
for radiated emissions.

Of course I know better than that!

And so does Jim.

A single example of this product developed some sort of birdie/spur on
121.5. Nothing more, nothing less.

If it happened once, it can happen again. We don't really know what made it
fail that way.

Of course the story makes good news copy on a slow day, but it's hardly
a remarkable incident,

False signal on a distress frequency? Possible fine of $10,000 if the owner
turns it on again? Somewhat remarkable to me.

and certainly not a reason to make snide innuendo
about "Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS".

I was simply pointing out that *any* piece of electronics can have problems. I
guess that's not allowed here.

Just like one must not wear shirts with the slogan "Protect Our Civil
Liberties" where President Bush can see them.

Neither is it a reasonable
basis for a jeremiad about the FCC shirking their responsibilities.

I think it is, considering the background of how loose certification has
become.

---

On the subject of "MADE IN CHINA": There was a story in the local paper's
business section about the bottleneck at various West Coast ports, specifically
Long Beach and Los Angeles. Imports from Pacific Rim countries, particularly
China, are arriving at such a rate that ships wait as much as a week to be
unloaded because the port facilities can't handle the flow. New people are
being hired and the facilities expanded, but such expansion takes time.

Of course what's less visible is the flow of money in the opposite direction.

73 de Jim, N2EY