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October 28th 04, 01:30 AM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: One could sumise that if all the other ships in the area were taking it slow, Titanic should have taken heed and go slow as well. One doesn't have to have knowledge of a field to realize that. I'm sure that the ship's owners would have preferred and understood a late but intact Titanic at the destination. Maybe the ship was "unsinkable" but I wouldn't want to test that with paying passangers aboard. Robert, I will agree with you, but what happened to the Titanic NINETY-TWO YEARS AGO isn't really a subject of this newsgroup and doesn't come close (maybe a couple of light- years) to amateur radio policy. :-) So what, Len? Much of what you talk about doesn't come close to amateur radio policy either. That anyone should chide another on OT posting here in rrap is mildly amusing. Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody, yet complains the loudest when others do it. Just another example of his double standard, do as Len says not as Len does mentality. Tsk. I say enjoy the hobby. I say don't try to force archaic, imaginary needs in testing for an amateur radio license just because some olde-tymers had to do it. I say enjoy freedom. I say try to keep up with the technology. I say the technology isn't restricted solely to what the ARRL publishes. Ca-a-arefu1! I like to live dangerously! :-) Is that "bad mentality?" Or would you rather everyone be subject to rule by the raddio kopps carrying dazzling bright kopp badges? [that way you could get to push around others who don't agree with you and your opinions - which you call "facts"] Steve's opinions are facts. Others opinions are lies. Standing Orders of the Day posted behind glass at the recon company Hq., personally signed by Genl. Chesty Puller hisself. Steveism: There are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damned Lies, and NCTA Opinions. That's what gets written in here... :-) Do I do "OT posting more than anybody?" No. If I DO talk about old time (OT) subjects it is for a reason of explanation since I've DONE those things and have first-hand experience. I don't need "confirmation" from any "league" organization to "document" it. :-) Ah oh! Mistake #1. Can't say nuttin bad about the league. I know, I know...we can't call it what it is...we MUST enoble it to sainthood and worship at the Church of St. Hiram. When that someone is part of the Lennie/Steve/Brian-William troika in *their* ongoing whizzing contest is much more amusing. Agreed! The denials are almost funny. No. Tragic. The damp hankie slap on nursie's wrist isn't very good therapy, "doctor" Jimmie. DJ (Doc Jimmie) run Yell DMC health records. Clean Bill. Is Jimmie Who a "qualified health professional?" :-) Being a "qualified health professional" is an absolute MUST in here when anyone mentions the CAPman. Well, except to some who wish to turn this newsgroup into a quasi-private Chat Room involving their own desires and preferences..and to have them damn all others for not thinking and feeling as they do. [yourself excluded] That's a pretty good summation of what *you* want from this newsgroup, Len. After all, you're the one telling other people to "shut the hell up".. I've thought that Lenover21 wanted to be the moderator in here. He claims otherwise. It's how he acts that makes the claims ring hollow. Perhaps it's time to repost the "feldwebel" classic... Poor baby. Losing your "group leader" self-imposed title? Awwww. Not: MARS is like Amateur Radio. Not: MARS has lots of Amateur Radio Volunteers. But: "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi hi! False religion. "True lies." :-) The connection to the UNIFORMED military is obvious to me and you but others don't quite see it. For the bleeding-heart imaginary sailors aboard, I won't cry great crocodile tears of a thousand-plus humans who perished on the Titanic in 1912. Nope. "Bleeding-heart imaginary sailors"? Who would that be? Yeah, what's with that? Len's trying to cover up his gaffe of laughing at them. Tsk, tsk. I don't, have never "laughed" at innocent victims of anything. What you've just said above is a damned LIE, sweetums. Not unexpected from the Wrong Reverend Jimmie Who. It was bound to happen that - as "led" by that other shining example of modern U.S. hamdom, the gunnery nurse. What next? Little eptithets in some language your aren't familiar with? [nursie has the lock on cute Yiddish pejoratives, doesn't know squat about Yiddishers or Judaism] Maybe something choice in Italian? [you could use my neighbor, the Scicilian, in that regard...:-) ] I think the next runaway insult language will be Palistinian. Who knows? I'm not into any form of Arabic although my former opthalmologist taught me a couple of Farsi words (he was born in Persia...what is now Iran). As long as a nastyword isn't in a native language, some yo-yo in here will use it as a euphemism. I'll just reflect that the subject made a LOT of money for Linda Hamilton's ex-husband You mean James Cameron? If so, why not just use his name? You seem to have a serious problem calling people by their names. Perhaps you don't have the guts to do it. Have you ever noticed, Mike, that Len practically *never* addresses someone who disagrees with him by the name they use on their posts? He almost always has to make up an insulting nickname for them. Beggin' yer highbrow pardon, m'lord hamme-on-wry. Who is K4CAP? Isn't that a defunct callsign? Totally DEFUNCT. and employed many Mexican laborers on the set of "Titanic"... many many years later with a little gilt statuette awarded for Best Motion Picture to the producer-director. No crying great tears on-stage on that Oscar Night. What possible significance does that have? And is that on topic for rrap? ;^) ;-) ;-) M'lord Hamme, what is the "significance" of discussing the Titanic disaster at all in an amateur radio policy newsgroup? Shouldn't you be taking that up before the House of Lords? Put a Trace on that Lords. I'll call "Mr. Trace, keener than most persons" if someone in here remembers Bob and Ray... :-) Linda is quite quirky in a cute sort of way... or is that quite cute in a quirky sort of way? Very attractive, really. Not at the Jan Smithers level, of course. Tsk. Letting all your sexual fantasies hang out in public again? What possible significance has YOUR sexual fantasies to do with amateur radio policy matters? Oh, yes, you like to present them to show your "manliness?" Weird. It's all merely a frustration with "thier" station in life. Passing that 20 WPM morse code test was VERY meaningful to them...gave them something to brag about, to feel oh, so superior to other amateur radio hobbyists. Boeing doesn't test fly new aircraft with commercial paying passengers. OT? Commercial air carriers don't concern themselves with amateur radios...requiring ANY RF radiation source to be turned off when in-flight. Again, that and mention of Boeing Aircraft Company is NOT an amateur radio policy subject. Mebbe we should check with the CAPman on that. He's practically a Boeing insider when he jumps into that jumpsuit. Don't forget that he is "Pilot in Command" when he do dat! Got the silver wings with little laurel wreath around the star above the center shield! Maybe he had it gold plated to match USN wings? USAF wings are physically larger than USN wings. :-) Not many aircraft companies were busy working out Test Proceedures for test-flying new aircraft in 1912... :-) Very OT So is claims that vacuum tube kluges you've "designed" in the 1990s as "state of the art." :-) But, but, but, it is immune to BPL... Absolutely! Immune to RFI, EMI, and EMP effects, too, I'll bet. Immune to everything except negative criticism (however slight). :-) Boeing innovated the pre-flight checklist around 1940 or thereabouts after they lost a prototype Flying Fortress (and their chief test pilot) on takeoff. Yawningly OT So is Rev. Jimmie's regular "subject" of the Titanic disaster in here. Jimmie have fantasies of being a "hero" saving lives through moursemanship in that disaster scenario? And here I thought that SAC invented the checklist. Thank goodness I read RRAP. SAC no doubt improved on the checklist...but Boeing made so many of the SAC aircraft that there must have been some transfer of methods and procedures. :-) Nephew-in-law works for Boeing in the production complex near Marysville, WA. But, I was somewhat familiar with Boeing aircraft long before the family got extended. Of course there was the PROFESSIONAL pilot who tried to roll a B-52 at low altitude. Did you see the case study of that one, Jim? Spooky! Too bad so many of the folk flying with him knew they were probably going to die some day with him at the yoke. Did you see the film clip? It's on the 'net at a few sites. Not the best quality, but scary enough. Has Jimmie actually RIDDEN in a B-52? Saw him in a movie. Sittin atop an A-Bomb. Oooop! He jarred it loose. "Dr. Strangelove." :-) Yeah, like a (mximum) 200 pound male can "jar loose" 4000 pounds of bomb (approximate weight of a special weapons of the time) from its shackles designed to take many g of force. :-) Tsk. These guys go to the movies and think that all the FICTION they see is the TRVTH and nothing but... :-) Who cares? Jimmie never served his country in a military capacity, wouldn't have any need to ride a B-52 for any reason. But he likes to write about it. Sure does...and really, really bristles with antagonism on the slightest negative comment on what he say... B-52s are older than Jimmie...he MUST love them for that reason. Is this the part where he is called a non-participant? A mere spectator? Or was that Kelly? Both. :-) Except Kellie DID have dinner with the Captain! :-) Jimmie has some fundamental seamanship flaws. It's easy to drive (excuse me, sail) a Sabot directly into an iceberg to "save the passengers (at most two)." Brian Kelly knows better than that so I give him credit for some common sense, sailor-wise. Not to worry. U.S. amateur radio regulations are Up To Date. Yes, they are. Seems like it to me! "Yawningly OT." Hi hi. :-) Hardly. For THEM it is "up to date." They ARE amateur radio! The Elite of the Elite. An Army of One. All that they can be. The morsemanship test REMAINS and that suits Mr. "I serve my country in OTHER ways" Miccolis, the artist of the state, just dandy. That will secure U.S. amateur radio for morse-tested hams and assure Jimmie someone to play with... Gotta protect the laurels that ye rest upon. They need whoopee cusions... They still require all amateurs to test for beloved morse code cognition capability in order to have priveleges of operating below 30 MHz...in the ham bands. Why does that bother you so much? Notice how Len avoids the relevant questions... What is the "relevant question?" :-) Oh, I see. You be da Lord Hamme-on-wry, de Lawgiver of what be relevant for all to follow! Beggin' me humble pardon, m'lord. The relevant question is "Steel chassis or Aluminum chassis?" "Greenlee punch or Nibbler?" Such relevant questions. Actually, it would be. Jimmie say he build with "recycled parts" and his "rig" didn't cost him more than $100. Now anyone considering any sort of metal work for radios had better have $ome money since an average aluminum chassis from Bud Industries, LMB-Heeger, or Hammond Manufacturing (good folks in Canada) is going to cost about $30...and that isn't including a bottom cover plate. Metal cabinets are Out Of Sight. Check any catalog, paper or on-line, Allied, Newark, DigiKey, Mouser, even Ocean State Electronics. Some alloys of aluminum are sort of malleable. 2024 is somewhat that way but don't bend it too much. 6061 is NOT. One can't take a chunk of ordinary aluminum and hammer it flat to fill in the holes (using "recycled" i.e., previously-used), then bend/brake it back to some new shape. That means BUYING chassis somewhere...or snaffling ("swipe") them. At early 1990 prices, that average chassis alluded to before would cost about $25. So, for six chassis in the photograph that would be a total of about $150. The excuse to be given will be that he "bought it at a flea market" or some hamvention for "a very low price." :-) Whatever the story is, it will have the usual embellishments, the brags of greatness, the usual suspects. :-) It seems that some amateurs bent on constantly re-living the past (in almost anything) think that morse code skill is still the epitome of "radio operation" in the year 2004. Perhaps some do. Many more think that a simple test of Morse code skill at a very basic level is a worthwhile requirement for an amateur license. Why does that bother you so much, Len? Very "progressive." State of the Art. Len, do you live in a "State Of The Art" house? Drive a "State Of The Art" car? Wear "State Of The Art" clothes? Is your computer "State Of The Art", complete with broadband connection? If we owns PC's, we isn't state of the art. Roger that! Who had a "personal computer" in 1912? :-) It's an egnima. Ooops! Prolly later. Heck, the only HF radio equipment you've admitted to owning is over 20 years old. Definitely not "State Of The Art", yet you lecture others about it. "Lecture?" :-) Tsk, tsk, TSK! I have an R-70. Leo has an R-70. Both still work to specifications (which are quite good). Oh, yes, a couple of NCTAs mentioned it, so, according to m'lord hamme (on rye?) they are just snit. :-) I've got a ratshack dx150. Wanna trade? Hi, hi! I'll trade you my old RS "Color Computer" for it... :-) Random though mode on: I have a 1987 Transciever. IC-745. Suits me just fine. All digital (excluding the necessary analog bits) Mostly analog, really! Wow, even digital radios are getting old hat. Yep. How so? Can't get any digital parts to "recycle?" :-) Wow! An IC-745. Time to swap out the lithium battery. Or have some of the folks in here take their lithium regularly... "Why", the Grinch said as a smile lit his face, "Maybe for everything, everymode all has it's place." Indeed. Children's story characters? More fantasy portrayed as "fact?" "...every Mode has it's place." Time to tune up the arc-welder and draw a bead and a dit. Hi, hi! Do a long seam for a spark transmitter "key down" equivalent? The Petersen Auto Museum on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles had a display of all the Grinchville vehicles used in the movie. Cute. Fiberglass bodies all, some "recycled" auto parts in the chassis. Made by movie industry PROFESSIONALS! :-) I have a chunk of galena setting on the shelf in front of me - maybe I'll make a cat's whisker detector and radio from it Oatmeal boxes made of cardboard are still used. They have a plastic rim at the top but they still make good coil forms Go for it, Mr. State of the Art! :-) I prefer the "Hogan's Heroes" teapot radio. heh heh heh Another PROP...but not about aviation... Quaker Oats still does some packaging in round (thin) cardboard cartons. In the 1920s that would have been a very low-cost "coil form" for the 195-meter wavelength hammes of olde. Reinvent the 1920s and claim your fame as the "innovator!" Good grief. Next thing you know, Rev. Jimmie will tout "Ralph 124C41+" as "mainstream science fiction!" :-) bwahahahahahah Whatever he tout's is da troof! Hugo Gernsback (of the publication fame) wrote "Ralph 124C41+" way way back. TERRIBLE writing. Fiction wasn't his thing and one can suspect he became a publisher to control the editors who wouldn't buy copy from him as an author. :-) I read it in one sitting in 1953. Small thin book. Dreck. It is so "camp" that the Science Fiction Writers of America wanted to name the annual SF writing award trophy as the "Hugo." :-) Gernsback could have become a "leader" in ham radio way back in the early 1920s. He had branched out too far into other radio, trying to be a visionary. Gernsback Publications was much much larger than what the league could get together. |
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October 29th 04, 03:07 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: One could sumise that if all the other ships in the area were taking it slow, Titanic should have taken heed and go slow as well. One doesn't have to have knowledge of a field to realize that. I'm sure that the ship's owners would have preferred and understood a late but intact Titanic at the destination. Maybe the ship was "unsinkable" but I wouldn't want to test that with paying passangers aboard. Robert, I will agree with you, but what happened to the Titanic NINETY-TWO YEARS AGO isn't really a subject of this newsgroup and doesn't come close (maybe a couple of light- years) to amateur radio policy. :-) So what, Len? Much of what you talk about doesn't come close to amateur radio policy either. That anyone should chide another on OT posting here in rrap is mildly amusing. Agreed! Len does more OT posting than anybody, yet complains the loudest when others do it. Just another example of his double standard, do as Len says not as Len does mentality. Tsk. I say enjoy the hobby. I say don't try to force archaic, imaginary needs in testing for an amateur radio license just because some olde-tymers had to do it. I say enjoy freedom. I say try to keep up with the technology. I say the technology isn't restricted solely to what the ARRL publishes. Ca-a-arefu1! I like to live dangerously! :-) You are. What with the nut loose in here. ;^) Is that "bad mentality?" Or would you rather everyone be subject to rule by the raddio kopps carrying dazzling bright kopp badges? [that way you could get to push around others who don't agree with you and your opinions - which you call "facts"] Steve's opinions are facts. Others opinions are lies. Standing Orders of the Day posted behind glass at the recon company Hq., personally signed by Genl. Chesty Puller hisself. I think the only thing Steve learned in the service was how to bandy about like a little rooster. Steveism: There are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damned Lies, and NCTA Opinions. That's what gets written in here... :-) And then some. Do I do "OT posting more than anybody?" No. If I DO talk about old time (OT) subjects it is for a reason of explanation since I've DONE those things and have first-hand experience. I don't need "confirmation" from any "league" organization to "document" it. :-) Ah oh! Mistake #1. Can't say nuttin bad about the league. I know, I know...we can't call it what it is...we MUST enoble it to sainthood and worship at the Church of St. Hiram. Too much Holy water under the bridge. When that someone is part of the Lennie/Steve/Brian-William troika in *their* ongoing whizzing contest is much more amusing. Agreed! The denials are almost funny. No. Tragic. The damp hankie slap on nursie's wrist isn't very good therapy, "doctor" Jimmie. DJ (Doc Jimmie) run Yell DMC health records. Clean Bill. Is Jimmie Who a "qualified health professional?" :-) Being a "qualified health professional" is an absolute MUST in here when anyone mentions the CAPman. Strange, hams talk weather all day (and all night) long but none of them are required to be weathermen. After the weather, they start talking about their gall bladders, but I doubt they are medical professionals. Pair of Docs. Well, except to some who wish to turn this newsgroup into a quasi-private Chat Room involving their own desires and preferences..and to have them damn all others for not thinking and feeling as they do. [yourself excluded] That's a pretty good summation of what *you* want from this newsgroup, Len. After all, you're the one telling other people to "shut the hell up".. I've thought that Lenover21 wanted to be the moderator in here. He claims otherwise. It's how he acts that makes the claims ring hollow. Perhaps it's time to repost the "feldwebel" classic... Poor baby. Losing your "group leader" self-imposed title? Awwww. Not: MARS is like Amateur Radio. Not: MARS has lots of Amateur Radio Volunteers. But: "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi hi! False religion. "True lies." :-) The connection to the UNIFORMED military is obvious to me and you but others don't quite see it. Steve was in the UNINFORMED service. That's why he got it wrong. He lies about knowing something about MARS. For the bleeding-heart imaginary sailors aboard, I won't cry great crocodile tears of a thousand-plus humans who perished on the Titanic in 1912. Nope. "Bleeding-heart imaginary sailors"? Who would that be? Yeah, what's with that? Len's trying to cover up his gaffe of laughing at them. Tsk, tsk. I don't, have never "laughed" at innocent victims of anything. What you've just said above is a damned LIE, sweetums. Not unexpected from the Wrong Reverend Jimmie Who. It was bound to happen that - as "led" by that other shining example of modern U.S. hamdom, the gunnery nurse. What next? Little eptithets in some language your aren't familiar with? [nursie has the lock on cute Yiddish pejoratives, doesn't know squat about Yiddishers or Judaism] Maybe something choice in Italian? [you could use my neighbor, the Scicilian, in that regard...:-) ] I think the next runaway insult language will be Palistinian. Who knows? I'm not into any form of Arabic although my former opthalmologist taught me a couple of Farsi words (he was born in Persia...what is now Iran). As long as a nastyword isn't in a native language, some yo-yo in here will use it as a euphemism. Bozo. I'll just reflect that the subject made a LOT of money for Linda Hamilton's ex-husband You mean James Cameron? If so, why not just use his name? You seem to have a serious problem calling people by their names. Perhaps you don't have the guts to do it. Have you ever noticed, Mike, that Len practically *never* addresses someone who disagrees with him by the name they use on their posts? He almost always has to make up an insulting nickname for them. Beggin' yer highbrow pardon, m'lord hamme-on-wry. Who is K4CAP? Isn't that a defunct callsign? Totally DEFUNCT. So he lies when he puts slash/K4CAP behind his name. and employed many Mexican laborers on the set of "Titanic"... many many years later with a little gilt statuette awarded for Best Motion Picture to the producer-director. No crying great tears on-stage on that Oscar Night. What possible significance does that have? And is that on topic for rrap? ;^) ;-) ;-) M'lord Hamme, what is the "significance" of discussing the Titanic disaster at all in an amateur radio policy newsgroup? Shouldn't you be taking that up before the House of Lords? Put a Trace on that Lords. I'll call "Mr. Trace, keener than most persons" if someone in here remembers Bob and Ray... :-) "Olde Tyme Radio?" Linda is quite quirky in a cute sort of way... or is that quite cute in a quirky sort of way? Very attractive, really. Not at the Jan Smithers level, of course. Tsk. Letting all your sexual fantasies hang out in public again? What possible significance has YOUR sexual fantasies to do with amateur radio policy matters? Oh, yes, you like to present them to show your "manliness?" Weird. It's all merely a frustration with "thier" station in life. Passing that 20 WPM morse code test was VERY meaningful to them...gave them something to brag about, to feel oh, so superior to other amateur radio hobbyists. I wonder if those girls on Petticoat Junction would be impressed with their Morse Prowess? Boeing doesn't test fly new aircraft with commercial paying passengers. OT? Commercial air carriers don't concern themselves with amateur radios...requiring ANY RF radiation source to be turned off when in-flight. Again, that and mention of Boeing Aircraft Company is NOT an amateur radio policy subject. Mebbe we should check with the CAPman on that. He's practically a Boeing insider when he jumps into that jumpsuit. Don't forget that he is "Pilot in Command" when he do dat! He can probably marry, divorce, and condemn people when he's the Captain of his Air Ship. Or is that Major? Got the silver wings with little laurel wreath around the star above the center shield! Maybe he had it gold plated to match USN wings? USAF wings are physically larger than USN wings. :-) No doubt he's struttin' around about that. I used to get a kick out of the CAP guys. They got to eat in the chow hall once a month like real military. The Banty Roosters would loosly gather their gaggle of follows and sort of march them out in the parking lot. Hi! Not many aircraft companies were busy working out Test Proceedures for test-flying new aircraft in 1912... :-) Very OT So is claims that vacuum tube kluges you've "designed" in the 1990s as "state of the art." :-) But, but, but, it is immune to BPL... Absolutely! Immune to RFI, EMI, and EMP effects, too, I'll bet. Immune to everything except negative criticism (however slight). :-) Boeing innovated the pre-flight checklist around 1940 or thereabouts after they lost a prototype Flying Fortress (and their chief test pilot) on takeoff. Yawningly OT So is Rev. Jimmie's regular "subject" of the Titanic disaster in here. Jimmie have fantasies of being a "hero" saving lives through moursemanship in that disaster scenario? And here I thought that SAC invented the checklist. Thank goodness I read RRAP. SAC no doubt improved on the checklist...but Boeing made so many of the SAC aircraft that there must have been some transfer of methods and procedures. :-) Nephew-in-law works for Boeing in the production complex near Marysville, WA. But, I was somewhat familiar with Boeing aircraft long before the family got extended. Stop-loss? Of course there was the PROFESSIONAL pilot who tried to roll a B-52 at low altitude. Did you see the case study of that one, Jim? Spooky! Too bad so many of the folk flying with him knew they were probably going to die some day with him at the yoke. Did you see the film clip? It's on the 'net at a few sites. Not the best quality, but scary enough. Has Jimmie actually RIDDEN in a B-52? Saw him in a movie. Sittin atop an A-Bomb. Oooop! He jarred it loose. "Dr. Strangelove." :-) Yeah, like a (mximum) 200 pound male can "jar loose" 4000 pounds of bomb (approximate weight of a special weapons of the time) from its shackles designed to take many g of force. :-) Tsk. These guys go to the movies and think that all the FICTION they see is the TRVTH and nothing but... :-) The mosquito squadron. Wrapped a bomb in rubber and with a low altitude approach bounced it right into a bunker. Movies are great stuff. I don't base my life around movies though. Who cares? Jimmie never served his country in a military capacity, wouldn't have any need to ride a B-52 for any reason. But he likes to write about it. Sure does...and really, really bristles with antagonism on the slightest negative comment on what he say... B-52s are older than Jimmie...he MUST love them for that reason. Is this the part where he is called a non-participant? A mere spectator? Or was that Kelly? Both. :-) Except Kellie DID have dinner with the Captain! :-) Maybe Steve will wear his CAPman suit to Dayton and we can sit at his table. Jimmie has some fundamental seamanship flaws. It's easy to drive (excuse me, sail) a Sabot directly into an iceberg to "save the passengers (at most two)." Brian Kelly knows better than that so I give him credit for some common sense, sailor-wise. Wonder if the titanic came up at the Captain's table? Not to worry. U.S. amateur radio regulations are Up To Date. Yes, they are. Seems like it to me! "Yawningly OT." Hi hi. :-) Hardly. For THEM it is "up to date." They ARE amateur radio! The Elite of the Elite. An Army of One. All that they can be. If, "Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio," is true, then Steve must struggle with ham radio as much as he does MARS. Hi! The morsemanship test REMAINS and that suits Mr. "I serve my country in OTHER ways" Miccolis, the artist of the state, just dandy. That will secure U.S. amateur radio for morse-tested hams and assure Jimmie someone to play with... Gotta protect the laurels that ye rest upon. They need whoopee cusions... And baby wipes. They still require all amateurs to test for beloved morse code cognition capability in order to have priveleges of operating below 30 MHz...in the ham bands. Why does that bother you so much? Notice how Len avoids the relevant questions... What is the "relevant question?" :-) Oh, I see. You be da Lord Hamme-on-wry, de Lawgiver of what be relevant for all to follow! Beggin' me humble pardon, m'lord. The relevant question is "Steel chassis or Aluminum chassis?" "Greenlee punch or Nibbler?" Such relevant questions. Actually, it would be. Jimmie say he build with "recycled parts" and his "rig" didn't cost him more than $100. Now anyone considering any sort of metal work for radios had better have $ome money since an average aluminum chassis from Bud Industries, LMB-Heeger, or Hammond Manufacturing (good folks in Canada) is going to cost about $30...and that isn't including a bottom cover plate. Metal cabinets are Out Of Sight. Check any catalog, paper or on-line, Allied, Newark, DigiKey, Mouser, even Ocean State Electronics. Some alloys of aluminum are sort of malleable. 2024 is somewhat that way but don't bend it too much. 6061 is NOT. One can't take a chunk of ordinary aluminum and hammer it flat to fill in the holes (using "recycled" i.e., previously-used), then bend/brake it back to some new shape. That means BUYING chassis somewhere...or snaffling ("swipe") them. At early 1990 prices, that average chassis alluded to before would cost about $25. So, for six chassis in the photograph that would be a total of about $150. The excuse to be given will be that he "bought it at a flea market" or some hamvention for "a very low price." :-) Whatever the story is, it will have the usual embellishments, the brags of greatness, the usual suspects. :-) Maybe an estate sale? Should be getting more and more common all of the time. It seems that some amateurs bent on constantly re-living the past (in almost anything) think that morse code skill is still the epitome of "radio operation" in the year 2004. Perhaps some do. Many more think that a simple test of Morse code skill at a very basic level is a worthwhile requirement for an amateur license. Why does that bother you so much, Len? Very "progressive." State of the Art. Len, do you live in a "State Of The Art" house? Drive a "State Of The Art" car? Wear "State Of The Art" clothes? Is your computer "State Of The Art", complete with broadband connection? If we owns PC's, we isn't state of the art. Roger that! Who had a "personal computer" in 1912? :-) It's an egnima. Ooops! Prolly later. Heck, the only HF radio equipment you've admitted to owning is over 20 years old. Definitely not "State Of The Art", yet you lecture others about it. "Lecture?" :-) Tsk, tsk, TSK! I have an R-70. Leo has an R-70. Both still work to specifications (which are quite good). Oh, yes, a couple of NCTAs mentioned it, so, according to m'lord hamme (on rye?) they are just snit. :-) I've got a ratshack dx150. Wanna trade? Hi, hi! I'll trade you my old RS "Color Computer" for it... :-) My first computer. A COCO II with a whopping 16k ram. I swapped out the chips, cut a trace and added a jumper: 64K whoohoo! I had the first floppy drive around, too. Couldn't stand the tape recorder. Random though mode on: I have a 1987 Transciever. IC-745. Suits me just fine. All digital (excluding the necessary analog bits) Mostly analog, really! Wow, even digital radios are getting old hat. Yep. How so? Can't get any digital parts to "recycle?" :-) Wow! An IC-745. Time to swap out the lithium battery. Or have some of the folks in here take their lithium regularly... Maybe there's enough lithium remaining in the batteries. I say recycle! "Why", the Grinch said as a smile lit his face, "Maybe for everything, everymode all has it's place." Indeed. Children's story characters? More fantasy portrayed as "fact?" "...every Mode has it's place." Time to tune up the arc-welder and draw a bead and a dit. Hi, hi! Do a long seam for a spark transmitter "key down" equivalent? The Petersen Auto Museum on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles had a display of all the Grinchville vehicles used in the movie. Cute. Fiberglass bodies all, some "recycled" auto parts in the chassis. Made by movie industry PROFESSIONALS! :-) I have a chunk of galena setting on the shelf in front of me - maybe I'll make a cat's whisker detector and radio from it Oatmeal boxes made of cardboard are still used. They have a plastic rim at the top but they still make good coil forms Go for it, Mr. State of the Art! :-) I prefer the "Hogan's Heroes" teapot radio. heh heh heh Another PROP...but not about aviation... Quaker Oats still does some packaging in round (thin) cardboard cartons. In the 1920s that would have been a very low-cost "coil form" for the 195-meter wavelength hammes of olde. Speaking of coil forms, I need to replace the coil on my hygain 18vs. I want to use plastic water pipe or conduit, but I recall reading that some of that stuff is somewhat conductive. Have you heard anything about that? Reinvent the 1920s and claim your fame as the "innovator!" Good grief. Next thing you know, Rev. Jimmie will tout "Ralph 124C41+" as "mainstream science fiction!" :-) bwahahahahahah Whatever he tout's is da troof! Hugo Gernsback (of the publication fame) wrote "Ralph 124C41+" way way back. TERRIBLE writing. Fiction wasn't his thing and one can suspect he became a publisher to control the editors who wouldn't buy copy from him as an author. :-) I read it in one sitting in 1953. Small thin book. Dreck. It is so "camp" that the Science Fiction Writers of America wanted to name the annual SF writing award trophy as the "Hugo." :-) Gernsback could have become a "leader" in ham radio way back in the early 1920s. He had branched out too far into other radio, trying to be a visionary. Gernsback Publications was much much larger than what the league could get together. All of the mistakes of history. What if we never got that second front in WWII? |
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November 4th 04, 12:57 PM
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(Len Over 21) writes: In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: Well, except to some who wish to turn this newsgroup into a quasi-private Chat Room involving their own desires and preferences..and to have them damn all others for not thinking and feeling as they do. [yourself excluded] That's a pretty good summation of what *you* want from this newsgroup, Len. After all, you're the one telling other people to "shut the hell up".. I've thought that Lenover21 wanted to be the moderator in here. He claims otherwise. It's how he acts that makes the claims ring hollow. Perhaps it's time to repost the "feldwebel" classic... Saw him in a movie. Sittin atop an A-Bomb. Oooop! He jarred it loose. "Dr. Strangelove." :-) No, that's not how it happened in the movie. Yeah, like a (mximum) 200 pound male can "jar loose" 4000 pounds of bomb (approximate weight of a special weapons of the time) from its shackles designed to take many g of force. :-) Tsk. These guys go to the movies and think that all the FICTION they see is the TRVTH and nothing but... :-) Ya never saw it, didja? The relevant question is "Steel chassis or Aluminum chassis?" Depends on the application. "Greenlee punch or Nibbler?" Such relevant questions. From two nonbuilders... Actually, it would be. Jimmie say he build with "recycled parts" and his "rig" didn't cost him more than $100. That's true. Now anyone considering any sort of metal work for radios had better have $ome money since an average aluminum chassis from Bud Industries, LMB-Heeger, or Hammond Manufacturing (good folks in Canada) is going to cost about $30...and that isn't including a bottom cover plate. Metal cabinets are Out Of Sight. Check any catalog, paper or on-line, Allied, Newark, DigiKey, Mouser, even Ocean State Electronics. Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk. Your imagination is limited to what you see in the catalogs of new parts. Some alloys of aluminum are sort of malleable. 2024 is somewhat that way but don't bend it too much. 6061 is NOT. One can't take a chunk of ordinary aluminum and hammer it flat to fill in the holes (using "recycled" i.e., previously-used), then bend/brake it back to some new shape. Why would anyone go through all that? That means BUYING chassis somewhere...or snaffling ("swipe") them. You mean steal? I don't do that. Do you have a guilty conscience, Len? At early 1990 prices, that average chassis alluded to before would cost about $25. So, for six chassis in the photograph that would be a total of about $150. Except they weren't bought new out of catalogs. Which drastically reduces the price paid. The excuse to be given will be that he "bought it at a flea market" or some hamvention for "a very low price." :-) How is that an "excuse", Len? It's the truth, in some cases. In others, chassis, panels and other parts were recycled from other sources. For example, the transmitter section is built in the case from a BC-191/375 tuning unit, with a new panel made from a piece of sheet aluminum. Total cost about $2. Whatever the story is, it will have the usual embellishments, the brags of greatness, the usual suspects. :-) You mean like the guy who claimed to have handled X million messages per month 24/7 at a military radio station, but didn't bother to mention the 700+ other personnel there at the time? Or the guy who claims to have operated from T5 but cannot recall what bands, modes, radios, or antennas were used? |
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November 5th 04, 02:58 AM
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(William) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... Or the guy who claims to have operated from T5 but cannot recall what bands, modes, radios, or antennas were used? He recalls, but the green envy and the accusations ****ed him off. But...but...but...Jimmie's "been there, done all that" and "knows exactly what it is like!" Hi hi. He owes N2EY no explanation, and N2EY will receive none. Right on! He hopes N2EY will understand. Hah! Fat chance! Jimmie thinks he is the "perfect ham" and can do NO wrong, always "corrects" others who "make all those mistakes." That's been the recurring underlayer in his postings here. PCTAs never apologize...except in a blue moon (when their hair mysteriously grows out...) |
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November 5th 04, 05:12 PM
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In article , (William) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... Or the guy who claims to have operated from T5 but cannot recall what bands, modes, radios, or antennas were used? He recalls, but the green envy and the accusations ****ed him off. But...but...but...Jimmie's "been there, done all that" and "knows exactly what it is like!" Hi hi. In the grand scheme of things, N2EY has been very few places and has done very few things of importance. He owes N2EY no explanation, and N2EY will receive none. Right on! ... He hopes N2EY will understand. Hah! Fat chance! No matter. Really. Jimmie thinks he is the "perfect ham" and can do NO wrong, always "corrects" others who "make all those mistakes." That's been the recurring underlayer in his postings here. N2EY has been wallowing in the slop and slurry of late. But he thinks he still smells sweetly. PCTAs never apologize...except in a blue moon (when their hair mysteriously grows out...) Blue Moon. A delicious micro-brew in the belgian-wheat tradition. |
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November 5th 04, 09:27 PM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... Or the guy who claims to have operated from T5 but cannot recall what bands, modes, radios, or antennas were used? He recalls, but the green envy and the accusations ****ed him off. But...but...but...Jimmie's "been there, done all that" and "knows exactly what it is like!" Hi hi. In the grand scheme of things, N2EY has been very few places and has done very few things of importance. Tsk. He has an AOL Homepage! :-) He owes N2EY no explanation, and N2EY will receive none. Right on! .. He hopes N2EY will understand. Hah! Fat chance! No matter. Really. True. Except "N2EY" is most disturbed about that. "N2EY" has SET the rules and what he say goes... Jimmie thinks he is the "perfect ham" and can do NO wrong, always "corrects" others who "make all those mistakes." That's been the recurring underlayer in his postings here. N2EY has been wallowing in the slop and slurry of late. But he thinks he still smells sweetly. Of course he does. He nose all. :-) PCTAs never apologize...except in a blue moon (when their hair mysteriously grows out...) Blue Moon. A delicious micro-brew in the belgian-wheat tradition. Haven't tried it. Not into any beers and don't bother to drink much. I follow the mathematician's rule: "Never drink and derive." :-) |
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November 5th 04, 02:27 AM
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PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: Well, except to some who wish to turn this newsgroup into a quasi-private Chat Room involving their own desires and preferences..and to have them damn all others for not thinking and feeling as they do. [yourself excluded] That's a pretty good summation of what *you* want from this newsgroup, Len. After all, you're the one telling other people to "shut the hell up".. I've thought that Lenover21 wanted to be the moderator in here. He claims otherwise. It's how he acts that makes the claims ring hollow. Perhaps it's time to repost the "feldwebel" classic... Saw him in a movie. Sittin atop an A-Bomb. Oooop! He jarred it loose. "Dr. Strangelove." :-) No, that's not how it happened in the movie. I wasn't talking about a "movie," Jimmie. Okay, big expert on the USAF and SAC, how do you get from the crew compartment of any B-52 into the bomb bay (and which one)? How does a 180 pound human jar loose a couple- ton Special Weapons (of thermonuclear yield)? And, speaking specifically about "radio," whatinhell is that "Gold Code Receiver" pictured that clicks up little characters in a supposed "digital display?" It was NEVER on any USAF radio inventory list, public or secure-sensitive. [there ARE "gold codes" but those are mathematical, and NOT specifically implemented or implementable as secure cryptographic means] Yeah, like a (mximum) 200 pound male can "jar loose" 4000 pounds of bomb (approximate weight of a special weapons of the time) from its shackles designed to take many g of force. :-) Tsk. These guys go to the movies and think that all the FICTION they see is the TRVTH and nothing but... :-) Ya never saw it, didja? Speak English, not baby talk, Jimmie. I've seen several models of the B-52, even been IN a couple of them. I've also been around Special Weapons, including the air-drop types. I'm also fairly familiar with the past USAF radio communications equipment, at least by sight. Knowing about "oil burner routes," and some performance envelopes of that Big Ugly Fat 'Fornicator' (BUFF) I also know that typical bomb-run airspeed is way too high to let anyone ride on a "shape" (Special Weapons old term) and play rodeo cowboy with their cowboy hat...airspeed is just too high. Does make for a nice anti-war motion picture full of way-overdone satire/sarcasm about the politics of the (then) Vietnam War plus left-overs of the old-time Cold War (then still hot) of the 50s. As a "professional" movie-maker and producer, you should KNOW all that. The relevant question is "Steel chassis or Aluminum chassis?" Depends on the application. What in the world are you gabbling about? "Greenlee punch or Nibbler?" Such relevant questions. From two nonbuilders... Kiss my yes, Jimmie boy. My hometown is where the Greenlee company IS and I've even been in that part of Greenlee and SEEN those punches being made...in 1949. [that part of Greenlee is just two large rooms of punch-making and grinding machinery, very very small compared to the Main Building they are located in] For that matter, I've also seen part of the GC Electronics operations when their wire-stripper line was still a part of it...and known two who worked there (in 1956). [GC is now a merge with Walsco and most of their 'products' are produced by others on an OEM basis] I have a small collection of Greenlee punches which have been gathering rust and dust. About every 5 years or so I may take them out, oil them and rub them with some steel wool. Haven't used them for about 9 years or so. Vacuum tube socket hole cutouts aren't a biggie among those NOT into boatanchors. [last time I used one was to put in a larger chassis-mount electrolytic on a repair and refurbish mini-project, took the 1 1/8" round punch] I suppose next you will demand I show up at Dayton with the "citations" to prove I do things? Harrrr!!!! Actually, it would be. Jimmie say he build with "recycled parts" and his "rig" didn't cost him more than $100. That's true. Of COURSE it's "true." Jimmie SAID so. The "word" of a radio god is solemn honesty, isn't it? Now anyone considering any sort of metal work for radios had better have $ome money since an average aluminum chassis from Bud Industries, LMB-Heeger, or Hammond Manufacturing (good folks in Canada) is going to cost about $30...and that isn't including a bottom cover plate. Metal cabinets are Out Of Sight. Check any catalog, paper or on-line, Allied, Newark, DigiKey, Mouser, even Ocean State Electronics. Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk. Your imagination is limited to what you see in the catalogs of new parts. Not MY imagination, Jimmie. What do you do with those old chassis? Use all the old holes for the "new design?" Make everything "fit" those existing holes? bwahahahahahahahahaha! Some alloys of aluminum are sort of malleable. 2024 is somewhat that way but don't bend it too much. 6061 is NOT. One can't take a chunk of ordinary aluminum and hammer it flat to fill in the holes (using "recycled" i.e., previously-used), then bend/brake it back to some new shape. Why would anyone go through all that? Didn't you? Something about "beating swords into plowshares" but doing the analogue with all those old chassis? That means BUYING chassis somewhere...or snaffling ("swipe") them. You mean steal? I don't do that. Heavens, no! That would be a SIN and you'd still be mumbling Hail Marys... Do you have a guilty conscience, Len? No. I DO have a conscience. Right now its wondering why I'm wasting all this time writing a reply to an unrepentant PCTA-er who is bound and determined to rationalize (one way or the other) that he is perfect ham in every way. At early 1990 prices, that average chassis alluded to before would cost about $25. So, for six chassis in the photograph that would be a total of about $150. Except they weren't bought new out of catalogs. Which drastically reduces the price paid. Prove that. Show your work. The excuse to be given will be that he "bought it at a flea market" or some hamvention for "a very low price." :-) How is that an "excuse", Len? It's the truth, in some cases. In others, chassis, panels and other parts were recycled from other sources. Riiiighhhht. For example, the transmitter section is built in the case from a BC-191/375 tuning unit, with a new panel made from a piece of sheet aluminum. Total cost about $2. Riiiiighhhht. :-) Whatever the story is, it will have the usual embellishments, the brags of greatness, the usual suspects. :-) You mean like the guy who claimed to have handled X million messages per month 24/7 at a military radio station, but didn't bother to mention the 700+ other personnel there at the time? U.S. Army radio station ADA sent 220 thousand TTY messages a month in 1955 in 24/7 operations, radio circuits all over the Pacific on HF. Pacific edition of the Stars & Stripes military newspaper had that item in it ('Stripes' was and is still available to the military public and to dependents). Each and every team supervisor at transmitters was immediately responsible to keep those radio transmitters operating when scheduled. No brag at all. Just a description of duties. I did that as one of the team supervisors. A long time ago. Many others of E-5 and up also did that on other shifts [we were on a 12-day cycle, 3 on each shift and 3 days off as the 4th part of that]. The Photographic Company was not involved in radio communications yet was a part of the 8235th Army Unit then known as the FEC Sig Svc Bn (that's "Far East Command Signal Service Battalion" to you civilians). They worked in downtown Tokyo then in their own large still-and-motion-picture lab...that rivaled that of the LIFE magazine photo lab in NYC. Headquarters Company had the Outside Plant Telephone crews...the ones who put up all the 30 to 70 foot poles that held wire lines and the antennas for both receiving and trans- mitting sites. 'Outside Plant' did not send or receive anything but were needed. Control and Teletype Relay at Chuo Kogyo (outside, near Camp Drake) were another group that did, respectively, the radio and wireline circuit control and the torn-tape teletype relay operations (latter from about 200+ chadless-punch printed tape machines). I'm not counting those specifically doing microwave radio relay ops & maintenance (which I also did) or the "Carrier Equipment" necessary to multiplex several circuits on the same voice channel (wire or radio). "Carrier" operations would later morph into handling the terminal equipment for the DSN-DCS which is now the mainstay for military communications worldwide (primary, there are other routes by other means as secondary). The old "carrier" duties now occupy most of the 78th Bn still at Camp Zama, Japan. Jimmie, I can get even MORE specific about all of that old stuff because: (1). I was there; (2). I have documents to prove it; (3). I have personal photographs as well as Signal Corps photos (with mimeoed ID on the backs, as military standard then) from those days; (4). I have other documents obtained as gifts from a now-retired civilian engineer who was there at the time and stayed with the station complex after the USAF took over in 1963 (he now lives in California); (5). I have been in correspondence, both written and telephone, with another who was there at the same time as I, has been a amateur radio licensee for years; (6). The Pacific Stars & Stripes did check out some of my material and published it (article by staffer Rick Chernitzer who did the interview) on 10 November 2002 (it's in the middle of that Sunday edition, a "double truck" or two-page spread as the publishing folks sometimes call it). No, I don't have a TO&E (Table of Organization and Equipment) which every battalion and up has. A TO&E would itemize all the equipment and who is where in the organization. I don't see much need to get one. I've been in correspondence with 5 others who were there, in that battalion, at the same time I was. We might put one together from memory, but WHY do you need to account for all (approximately) 700? Or the guy who claims to have operated from T5 but cannot recall what bands, modes, radios, or antennas were used? You will have to take that up with "him." Of course, you WILL "correct" him when "he makes errors" because YOU have done all that military and commercial civilian radio communications and "know what it is like," don't you? Of course you do...you READ about it in your various Janes books. You KNOW what it is like to be within flying distance of nastyfolks who Have The Bomb and want to "correct" others about NATO aircraft code names. I'm wondering what YOU do "to serve your country" which is as good of better than actually serving with the military? Come on, TELL US. Show us your heroism and wonderful deeds that makes YOU so superior you can denigrate those of us who DID serve in the military. |
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