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Old November 4th 04, 11:58 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
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(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
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Len Over 21 wrote:

There's no reasoning with emotional belief systems...such as the
PCTA's insistence that all who come after must jump through the
same hoops they had to when younger.

You have a point. There is no reasoning with emotional belief systems.
Take a guy who believes that those tested in amateur radio are "jumping
through hoops" or that the testing elements given today are the same as
those in years past. How would you deal with such a guy?


True enough. The Volunteer Examiners are giving Farnsworth exams
rather than the FCC/Part 97 specified Morse Code exams.


The FCC still hasn't updated its regulations on U.S. amateur radio
(Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R) in regards to test element 1 on morse
code. The referenced CCIR document has been superseded by
the ITU. Neither is there a specific definition of "word rate" that is
clear and unambiguous.

A past FCC "decision" was the tacit "approval" of VECs to allow
Farnsworth spacing in testing, yet that has never been officially
approved (except by the ARRL, the other "officiating" body in U.S.
amateur radio) nor does it appear in any regulation errata or other
corrections. The appearance (on the surface) is that Farnsworth
spacing is "legal" simply because the FCC hasn't bothered to
correct its own regulations for over a dozen years.

"Dave" handles his emotional belief system in the barbarian's
way - either Believe in Him and His or be subject to all kinds of
heckling, cat-calling, personal insults, and the like. It is "Dave's"
Way or the highway. "Dave" is Boss. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.



It is a sad state of affairs the the organization that specifies a
Morse Code Exam cannot define Morse Code. Usurpers of regulatory
authority took it upon themselves up the reduced 5 WPM rate to a
healthy 13-15 WPM rate in defiance of Part 97.
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Old November 5th 04, 01:27 AM
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(William) writes:

It is a sad state of affairs the the organization that specifies a
Morse Code Exam cannot define Morse Code. Usurpers of regulatory
authority took it upon themselves up the reduced 5 WPM rate to a
healthy 13-15 WPM rate in defiance of Part 97.


Well, in all honesty, the FCC does have a definition of it, but not an
exact one. They still reference an out-of-date (and no longer existing)
CCITT document and do not specifically state a word rate. Considering
all the technical things the FCC does, definitely, define and describe,
it is a wonder that they are so lax on International Morse Code.

We've both seen the numerous rationalizations of the "Farnsworth"
spacing but nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has seen that specifically
stated in any official version of Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. (which is
published every two years in October by the Government Printing
Office and made available for free at the GPO website).

What we got is an "interpretation" by the FCC that Farnsworth spacing
"is okay for VECs to use in testing." Not in any Part 97 and never even
left the Commission (except to the supreme court of the league).

Not to worry. With the re-election of the Administration there will be
"four more years" of the same "attention" to amateur radio affairs as
has been for the last 3 1/2 years, the same Commissioner in Chief,
and full speed (with lots of champagne) to BPL.

Lots of "incentive" to attract more newcomers into hamme raddio.
All that and those warm-hearted ghouls of the PCTA dissing and
cussing all those not wanting to emulate or recreate olde-tyme
radio.

Tsk. All those "professionals" in law-making and fund-raising and
membership-organization-running... :-)


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Old November 5th 04, 03:37 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

It is a sad state of affairs the the organization that specifies a
Morse Code Exam cannot define Morse Code. Usurpers of regulatory
authority took it upon themselves up the reduced 5 WPM rate to a
healthy 13-15 WPM rate in defiance of Part 97.


Well, in all honesty, the FCC does have a definition of it, but not an
exact one. They still reference an out-of-date (and no longer existing)
CCITT document and do not specifically state a word rate. Considering
all the technical things the FCC does, definitely, define and describe,
it is a wonder that they are so lax on International Morse Code.


It's as if they don't care about the code anymore.

We've both seen the numerous rationalizations of the "Farnsworth"
spacing but nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has seen that specifically
stated in any official version of Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. (which is
published every two years in October by the Government Printing
Office and made available for free at the GPO website).


It's as if they don't care about the code anymore.

What we got is an "interpretation" by the FCC that Farnsworth spacing
"is okay for VECs to use in testing." Not in any Part 97 and never even
left the Commission (except to the supreme court of the league).


Yep. Sumbuddy said it was OK.

Not to worry. With the re-election of the Administration there will be
"four more years" of the same "attention" to amateur radio affairs as
has been for the last 3 1/2 years, the same Commissioner in Chief,
and full speed (with lots of champagne) to BPL.


Wish I were on that gravy train.

Lots of "incentive" to attract more newcomers into hamme raddio.
All that and those warm-hearted ghouls of the PCTA dissing and
cussing all those not wanting to emulate or recreate olde-tyme
radio.

Tsk. All those "professionals" in law-making and fund-raising and
membership-organization-running... :-)



I guess we need our own Constitutional Amendment.
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Old November 5th 04, 08:27 PM
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(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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In article ,
(William) writes:

It is a sad state of affairs the the organization that specifies a
Morse Code Exam cannot define Morse Code. Usurpers of regulatory
authority took it upon themselves up the reduced 5 WPM rate to a
healthy 13-15 WPM rate in defiance of Part 97.


Well, in all honesty, the FCC does have a definition of it, but not an
exact one. They still reference an out-of-date (and no longer existing)
CCITT document and do not specifically state a word rate. Considering
all the technical things the FCC does, definitely, define and describe,
it is a wonder that they are so lax on International Morse Code.


It's as if they don't care about the code anymore.


Tsk. The FCC should obey the dicta of the PCTA and remake
morsemanship into the very finest accomplishment of all hamkind
(that it once was). :-)

We've both seen the numerous rationalizations of the "Farnsworth"
spacing but nobody, and I mean NOBODY, has seen that specifically
stated in any official version of Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. (which is
published every two years in October by the Government Printing
Office and made available for free at the GPO website).


It's as if they don't care about the code anymore.


Morse code skill is the very finest of all possible skills of HF radio
amateurs...according to the PCTA. Too bad the FCC can't see
the Glory and Majesty of that very finest attribute of any amateur.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

["so goes the glory of the world"]

What we got is an "interpretation" by the FCC that Farnsworth spacing
"is okay for VECs to use in testing." Not in any Part 97 and never even
left the Commission (except to the supreme court of the league).


Yep. Sumbuddy said it was OK.


The ARRL posted a "notice" to that effect. It might even be buried
somewhere on the FCC website...haven't searched for it. Have to
search for it since it isn't given some extra-special link at the FCC
at the Wireless Bureau or the sub-page devoted to Amateur Radio
nor at the OET page.

If the ARRL has posted the "notice" then that is "just as good" as
being official. [the league can do no wrong...according to so many
league Believers]

Not to worry. With the re-election of the Administration there will be
"four more years" of the same "attention" to amateur radio affairs as
has been for the last 3 1/2 years, the same Commissioner in Chief,
and full speed (with lots of champagne) to BPL.


Wish I were on that gravy train.


"Man with one-track mind often get train of thought derailed."

Lots of "incentive" to attract more newcomers into hamme raddio.
All that and those warm-hearted ghouls of the PCTA dissing and
cussing all those not wanting to emulate or recreate olde-tyme
radio.

Tsk. All those "professionals" in law-making and fund-raising and
membership-organization-running... :-)



I guess we need our own Constitutional Amendment.


Not to worry. All the licensured constitutionalists have taken care of
that. Here's a synopsis of what they've come up with:

1. The ONLY way to show any interest in radio is to get a ham
license. Any other endeavor, interest, curiosity is meaningless
without that official authoritzation to operate (but only in the ham
bands). Industry employment doesn't count, ever.

2. The ONLY way to show any capability of doing anything in radio
is to home-build an HF transceiver (for the ham bands) and then
display it on an AOL home page. All else is meaningless.

3. Newsgroup gabble about non-amateur-radio subjects is absolutely
permitted, even encouraged...because it is done by authorized,
licensured, official amateurs who are regulars in this newsgroup
and self-designated as the saviors of the amateur radio future.

4. Anyone not a PCTA is forbidden to even mention radio policy
subjects and such should always be cat-called, heckled,
personally insulted for the slightest hint of negativism expressed
against the god-like words of the PCTA and their beloved morse
code ability.

5. No one, absolutely none, is permitted to say anything negative
(however slight) against the claims, brags, or statements of any
PCTA. All must shower such with accolades and respect worthy
of heroes, leaders, and statesmen lest they be offended and run
home from the schoolyard crying for their mamas.

6. There is NO other radio except amateur radio. The excellence of
all radio (no exceptions) lies in HF bands operations as done by
official, licensured amateurs working DX with CW. Implications
that there are other radio services (including evil CB) is an
aberration and is punishable by all manner of personal insult to
anyone bringing such subjects to the newsgroup.

7. Anyone who has met the old Amateur Extra federal examination
and passed is automatically elevated to expertise in:
A. Entertainment business production and ethics.
B. Architectural techniques, including engineering for same.
C. National and International politics and policies.
D. Aerospace business, industry, and technology.
E. Rail and other vehicle transportation.
F. Medical technology and application, regardless of
licensure.
G. Parenting and family values, plus pediatrics.
H. Absolute insider knowledge on the decisions made by
the Federal Communications Commission.
I. Intimate knowledge and understanding of all amateur
radio technology and how it came to be through history.
J. The righteousness and correctness of the ARRL in all
matters on amateur radio (for they are blessed as the
saviors of U.S. amateur radio as sung in the hymnals
at the Church of St. Hiram - the Divine).
K. Anything else not covered in items A through J.

8. The Constitution of the United States of America has NO freedom
of speech allowed to any No-Code-Test Advocate.

9. The Federal Communications Commission requires all staffers and
commissioners to hold valid amateur radio licenses in order to
regulate U.S. amateur radio. Such INVOLVEMENT is absolutely
necessary and may even be a legal requirement under the law.

10. It is impossible to know ANYTHING in any subject without any
class of amateur radio license, foreign or domestic.

11. In order to discuss getting into amateur radio one MUST already
be licensed and have licensure IN amateur radio.

12. All those already licensed (and with licensure) in amateur radio
know EXACTLY how every other radio amateur thinks, feels,
experiences, believes, behaves...in perfect understanding.

13. Anyone getting into amateur radio MUST also achieve
cognizance by ALL other radio amateurs for their dedication
and resolve and devotion to the ONLY radio - amateur radio.

Okay, that's just a baker's dozen items expressed or implied by
those PCTA gurus of radio who reside in this royal mounted olympus
newsgroup.

There's a 14th item but that involves HUMOR and amateur radio is
a most SERIOUS subject. The PCTA will lose their amateur jobs
if they give in to humor. The P in PCTA also stands for
PROFESSIONAL. The PCTA are never ever amateurish.


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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Not to worry. All the licensured constitutionalists have taken care of
that. Here's a synopsis of what they've come up with:

1. The ONLY way to show any interest in radio is to get a ham
license. Any other endeavor, interest, curiosity is meaningless
without that official authoritzation to operate (but only in the ham
bands). Industry employment doesn't count, ever.


Fiction.

Stated as such by numerous posters, including those that Lennie
refers to as "PCTA".

2. The ONLY way to show any capability of doing anything in radio
is to home-build an HF transceiver (for the ham bands) and then
display it on an AOL home page. All else is meaningless.


The only way to ahve any PRACTICAL experience is to actually DO
something. And "doing something" is not on Lennie's agenda. Neither
competent, capable or qualified.

3. Newsgroup gabble about non-amateur-radio subjects is absolutely
permitted, even encouraged...because it is done by authorized,
licensured, official amateurs who are regulars in this newsgroup
and self-designated as the saviors of the amateur radio future.


Anyone can discuss anything in an unmoderated newsgroup.

However people who take other people to task for doing it, but
who are themselves most guilty of generating reams of "off-topic" fare
will be humiliated and harrassed as being two-faced.

4. Anyone not a PCTA is forbidden to even mention radio policy
subjects and such should always be cat-called, heckled,
personally insulted for the slightest hint of negativism expressed
against the god-like words of the PCTA and their beloved morse
code ability.


Nope.

Those who get "cat-called, heckled" are those who ACT like they
know about Amateur Radio policy (the subject of THIS NG.) but
obviously don't have a clue as to what it's all about.

IE: The persistent NG rantings of one Leonard H. Anderson.

5. No one, absolutely none, is permitted to say anything negative
(however slight) against the claims, brags, or statements of any
PCTA. All must shower such with accolades and respect worthy
of heroes, leaders, and statesmen lest they be offended and run
home from the schoolyard crying for their mamas.


As opposed to the shoring of accolades that non-licensed,
allegedly professional ex-technician/engineers are supposed to get,
Lennie?

6. There is NO other radio except amateur radio. The excellence of
all radio (no exceptions) lies in HF bands operations as done by
official, licensured amateurs working DX with CW. Implications
that there are other radio services (including evil CB) is an
aberration and is punishable by all manner of personal insult to
anyone bringing such subjects to the newsgroup.


Again...Proven wrong by a decade's worth of discussion on
non-Amateur radio-related topics.

Lennie's lying again...

7. Anyone who has met the old Amateur Extra federal examination
and passed is automatically elevated to expertise in:
A. Entertainment business production and ethics.
B. Architectural techniques, including engineering for same.
C. National and International politics and policies.
D. Aerospace business, industry, and technology.
E. Rail and other vehicle transportation.
F. Medical technology and application, regardless of
licensure.
G. Parenting and family values, plus pediatrics.
H. Absolute insider knowledge on the decisions made by
the Federal Communications Commission.
I. Intimate knowledge and understanding of all amateur
radio technology and how it came to be through history.
J. The righteousness and correctness of the ARRL in all
matters on amateur radio (for they are blessed as the
saviors of U.S. amateur radio as sung in the hymnals
at the Church of St. Hiram - the Divine).
K. Anything else not covered in items A through J.


Obviously a few of the things that Lennie seems overwhelmed by,
but tries to redirect onto others.

It must be miserable to be so old and BE so miserable...

8. The Constitution of the United States of America has NO freedom
of speech allowed to any No-Code-Test Advocate.


Wondering where that is...??? It's not in any Constitutional
document I have ever read.

Guess Lennie's just lying AGAIN! When will it ever stop???

9. The Federal Communications Commission requires all staffers and
commissioners to hold valid amateur radio licenses in order to
regulate U.S. amateur radio. Such INVOLVEMENT is absolutely
necessary and may even be a legal requirement under the law.


It's not a bad idea, but it's NOT the law.

10. It is impossible to know ANYTHING in any subject without any
class of amateur radio license, foreign or domestic.


Huh?

11. In order to discuss getting into amateur radio one MUST already
be licensed and have licensure IN amateur radio.


No...to have an INFORMED opinion one must some practical
experience...Whether in Amateur Radio, engineering, Nursing, or
bowling.

12. All those already licensed (and with licensure) in amateur radio
know EXACTLY how every other radio amateur thinks, feels,
experiences, believes, behaves...in perfect understanding.


Guess I missed out on that...

13. Anyone getting into amateur radio MUST also achieve
cognizance by ALL other radio amateurs for their dedication
and resolve and devotion to the ONLY radio - amateur radio.


Again, another Lennie rant...

Okay, that's just a baker's dozen items expressed or implied by
those PCTA gurus of radio who reside in this royal mounted olympus
newsgroup.

There's a 14th item but that involves HUMOR and amateur radio is
a most SERIOUS subject. The PCTA will lose their amateur jobs
if they give in to humor. The P in PCTA also stands for
PROFESSIONAL. The PCTA are never ever amateurish.


In order for the concept of humor to be effective, there must be
some common frame of reference.

You have no common frame of reference with anyone in this forum
as it pertains TO the forum, Lennie...You hate Amateur Radio, you
slander the reputations of anyone/everyone remotely attached to it,
and basically are just a cruel, cold creep.

And what laughter you do hear is directed AT you, not WITH you.

Sucks to be you, Old Man...You cudda been a contender...

Steve, K4YZ


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