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November 6th 04, 05:00 PM
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(Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in both military and nonmilitary government service. Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-) Mostly just for daring to disagree with you. Or those who were "in Vietnam" yet can't be specific about what they did or where. I don't think that would make any difference to how you behaved towards them. Or those who "served the country" by being a minor civilian sort for a defense contractor on a USN aircraft carrier. [I tend to dismiss the claims of "taking photographs for naval intelligence" as having any importance] Yet all these people should show respect for *your* service even though you show absolutely none for *theirs*. "Dave" wants his State experiences enobled as wonderful radio acts for the nation or something. State Department just doesn't have the size or scope to compete with the U.S. military commo facilities. The DSN has taken over the day-to-day task for that and the U.S. Army Signal Corps has long served State for the vital sensitive communications means (which "Dave" will immediately argue since he is most sensitive to any sort of negativism to "Dave"). So you think it's OK to treat K8MN the way you did, and continue to do. Ooooo...I've "insulted" a member of the USMC? Horrors! Yes, I was unaware that the USMC is hero of the U.S. military and the savior of all wars and is therefore ALLOWED (perhaps encouraged) to insult and demean all other U.S. military service branch veterans. See cute little Yiddish pejoratives such as "Putz" (which means 'penis head'). It would be interesting to see when that pejorative was first used, and what you did to encourage it. Tsk. I am "guilty" of an inter-service faux pas according to your veteranism (or veterinarianism or vegetarianism) as a military veteran yourself. I was unaware that standing retreat (a military ceremony at sundown) honoring 23 members of my military battalion was somehow "dishonoring them" (according to the medically-discharged USMC veteran). Mea culpa. It's more like your constant badgering and insulting of anyone who disagrees with you. That USMC "veteran" (who never claimed any USMC commo experience) thinks my MOS was as a "radio mechanic" despite my giving the official U.S. Army Military Occupation Specialty brief description. So - "can't you take a little tweak"? All that because the U.S. Army never used any morse code in long-distance 24/7 operation HF communications 51 years ago. You know this for a fact? How? Tsk. Well, you've had all that "experience" at Washington Army Radio because you read a rather dated (almost pre-WW2) article by a very olde-tymer hamme and thus you "were there" and "knew all about" ACAN (Army Command and Administrative Network) in which I took part. No sweaty dah. Was the article factual or not? It seems to me that you're very opposed to Morse Code getting *any* credit for *anything* useful. You've neglected to "correct" me on many other things that involved communications that I've experienced since 1956... You make too many mistakes for me to keep up with, Len ;-) ;-) except some brief mentions on SURPLUS equipment of WW2 era radio. You don't know SINCGARS or the IHFR families which are the mainstay of small-unit operations in today's military...IHFR involves HF spectrum communications and the present-day PRC-104 is part of that IHFR effort since 1986. So what? Why is SINCGARS of any relevance to amateur radio? Can hams get the sets in surplus? Can hams use them legally? How much does a new one cost? Show us your heroism and wonderful deeds that makes YOU so superior you can denigrate those of us who DID serve in the military. Where have I "denigrated" anyone's military or other government service? Myself and Brian Burke by implication if not directly. You take *any* comment that is not butt-kissing suck-up praise as an insult. Show us some examples of these so-called "denigrations". My posts are all in google. Further, you've supported or condoned other PCTAs for personally insulting the both of us. All that has been in public view here. "Supported or condoned"? What would you suggest that I do? Seems to me that you expect me to somehow stop others from saying anything you perceive as an insult, but at the same time allow you to insult them freely. Here's a clue, Len: That's not how it works. Each of us is responsible for our own postings. You've made considerable "fun" out of my having a professional career in radio-electronics and try to denigrate professionals in many areas besides radio. Where? Show us, Len. Yet you CLAIM to be a "pro" in your day job and have never been specific in what you are supposed to be doing "in electronics." Where did I claim any of that? Show us, Len. I've brought out the FACT in the U.S. military communications (on HF) as of a half century ago NOT INVOLVING morse code for fixed- point to fixed-point "traffic." How do any of us know it's a FACT except because you say-so? How do we know that the entire US military (not just the Army) did the same thing? Most of all: *WHY* is that supposed FACT of any importance to amateur radio *today*? C'mon - explain it to us. Show us why it has any importance at all. You kept diverting to USN shipboard operations trying somehow to "prove" that morse was the Big Thing in the military Not true, Len. I was simply showing that Morse Code use in the US military continued for decades beyond 1952. You may denigrate the USN and USCG as not being "big-time", but they are. ...which you didn't prove since TTY was the major traffic carrier (by far) for all military branches a half century ago. How do we *know* that except for your say-so, Len? Most of all: *WHY* is that supposed FACT of any importance to amateur radio *today*? |
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#3
November 7th 04, 11:16 PM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in both military and nonmilitary government service. Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-) Mostly just for daring to disagree with you. Oh Bull-****, N2EY! I DARE to agree with Len on a topic, any topic. Disagreeing with him is PCTA SOP; requires no effort whatsoever. Be a Maverick like John McCain and take an itsy bitsy chance for -once- in your life. Rest of your bile snipped. |
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#4
November 8th 04, 04:24 AM
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(William) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in both military and nonmilitary government service. Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-) Mostly just for daring to disagree with you. Oh Bull-****, N2EY! I DARE to agree with Len on a topic, any topic. He can't do that. He is superior because of his federally-tested high rate of morsemanship. Superiors do NOT condescend to agree with lowly inferiors. :-) Disagreeing with him is PCTA SOP; requires no effort whatsoever. Be a Maverick like John McCain and take an itsy bitsy chance for -once- in your life. John McCain served in the USN, flying in combat. Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book. Jimmie knew Soviet air tactics like the back of your hand. He saw the film "Dr. Strangelove: etc." and that makes him an "expert" on SAC, TAC, Manny, Moe, and Jack. :-) Rest of your bile snipped. Well, that bile has to go somewhere. Better here than polluting some PA community. :-) |
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#5
November 8th 04, 06:02 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in both military and nonmilitary government service. Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-) Mostly just for daring to disagree with you. Oh Bull-****, N2EY! I DARE to agree with Len on a topic, any topic. Yes, "William" 'dares' to agree with Len on any and every topic. I agree with Len on some topics (like BPL being A Bad Thing) and disagree on others. He can't do that. Can't do what? Agree with Len? That's already been disproved. He is superior because of his federally-tested high rate of morsemanship. Superiors do NOT condescend to agree with lowly inferiors. :-) Disagreeing with him is PCTA SOP; requires no effort whatsoever. Be a Maverick like John McCain and take an itsy bitsy chance for -once- in your life. How is agreeing or disagreeing with someone on USENET "taking a chance"? John McCain served in the USN, flying in combat. Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book. Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when he was in Japan. Sunuvagun! Jimmie knew Soviet air tactics like the back of your hand. Where did you get that idea, Len? He saw the film "Dr. Strangelove: etc." and that makes him an "expert" on SAC, TAC, Manny, Moe, and Jack. :-) Where have I ever claimed to be an expert on anything? Rest of your bile snipped. Can't deal with the facts, I see. Well, that bile has to go somewhere. Better here than polluting some PA community. :-) The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a lot of effort into it. btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of course you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other names, and referring to him by the wrong gender. Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to stop. But I don't think you want him to stop. |
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#6
November 9th 04, 12:29 AM
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In article ,
(N2EY) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in both military and nonmilitary government service. Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-) Mostly just for daring to disagree with you. Oh Bull-****, N2EY! I DARE to agree with Len on a topic, any topic. Yes, "William" 'dares' to agree with Len on any and every topic. I agree with Len on some topics (like BPL being A Bad Thing) and disagree on others. You "agree?!?" Har! He can't do that. Can't do what? Agree with Len? That's already been disproved. Tsk. Jimmie be without fault. He be "correcting" others right away. The slightest exception to the rule will prove him "right." :-) John McCain served in the USN, flying in combat. Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book. Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when he was in Japan. Sunuvagun! Tsk. You seem to be saying there were NO Soviet bombers in range of Japan in the 1950s? Jimmie be expert on TAC? He be called on the carpet then. We wind up with carpet TACs. Jimmie knew Soviet air tactics like the back of your hand. Where did you get that idea, Len? It just came to me. Some messages "just write themselves!" He saw the film "Dr. Strangelove: etc." and that makes him an "expert" on SAC, TAC, Manny, Moe, and Jack. :-) Where have I ever claimed to be an expert on anything? Tsk. You are superior to all who come close to disagreeing with you with all those "corrections." :-) Rest of your bile snipped. Can't deal with the facts, I see. Well, that bile has to go somewhere. Better here than polluting some PA community. :-) The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a lot of effort into it. Tsk. Rev. Jim is readying another Sermon on the Antenna Mount? Rev. Jim "puts a lot of effort" into making SURE that all those he thinks need "corrections" get those "corrections!" QED. btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of course you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other names, and referring to him by the wrong gender. Tsk. You are still being Judge and Jury via Google, aintfcha? :-) When Rev. Jim runs out of arguments in the present, he MUST resort to Googling to "prove" something. Jimmie thinks he can "win" some past arguments by repeating and rehashing OLD ones? Of course...if for no other reason that Jimmie Must Be Right in his own mind. Subject itself be damned, concentrate on defaming the opponent in order to "win." Tsk. Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to stop. Ah...you must have run out of damp hankies to slap folk on the wrist as self-styled moderator! :-) But I don't think you want him to stop. Doesn't really matter to me. There will ALWAYS be some yo-yo out there who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing in order to "win an argument." :-) Those are all easy marks. Plenty of them. :-) So...have you found a new job yet to resume your "professional" career?" |
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#7
November 9th 04, 05:12 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , (N2EY) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book. Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when he was in Japan. Sunuvagun! Tsk. You seem to be saying there were NO Soviet bombers in range of Japan in the 1950s? That's wrong (again), Leonard. He is saying that Soviet "Bear" bombers could not have been a threat to you during your military service in Japan, despite what you indicated here. As with your well known "Sphincter Post", it leads some of us to question your character. The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a lot of effort into it. Tsk. Rev. Jim is readying another Sermon on the Antenna Mount? Jim states a fact. Don't you have an acceptable response? Rev. Jim "puts a lot of effort" into making SURE that all those he thinks need "corrections" get those "corrections!" QED. What has that to do with your whizzing contest? btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of course you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other names, and referring to him by the wrong gender. Tsk. You are still being Judge and Jury via Google, aintfcha? :-) Jim is? Not at all, Leonard. Your archived words and the dates on which you posted them are archived. It is proof of your actions. In this case, things didn't happen the way you claim they did. When Rev. Jim runs out of arguments in the present, he MUST resort to Googling to "prove" something. ....and it looks like the Google archives of newsgroup posts did just that. The archive seems to prove that version of events is not correct. Jimmie thinks he can "win" some past arguments by repeating and rehashing OLD ones? When you start the "Jimmie" stuff, it is obvious that he has zapped you good. You made a recent statement and issued it as a factual account of something which took place. The trouble is, the Google archives say otherwise. Of course...if for no other reason that Jimmie Must Be Right in his own mind. Subject itself be damned, concentrate on defaming the opponent in order to "win." Tsk. Diversion on your part. If you didn't want to be batted around on this issue, you could have refrained from, "Well, HE started it". Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to stop. Ah...you must have run out of damp hankies to slap folk on the wrist as self-styled moderator! :-) When did it become Jim's job to regulate Steve? But I don't think you want him to stop. Doesn't really matter to me. There will ALWAYS be some yo-yo out there who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing in order to "win an argument." :-) Those are alleasy marks. Plenty of them. :-) If anyone would know, you'd know. You don't want anyone else doing what you do. Dave K8MN |
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#8
November 9th 04, 12:45 AM
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(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in both military and nonmilitary government service. Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-) Mostly just for daring to disagree with you. Oh Bull-****, N2EY! I DARE to agree with Len on a topic, any topic. Yes, "William" 'dares' to agree with Len on any and every topic. On "a" topic, or "any" topic. Not EVERY topic. Don't you remember how to speak the truth? I agree with Len on some topics (like BPL being A Bad Thing) and disagree on others. Holy Cow! You guys have found some middle ground. He can't do that. Can't do what? Agree with Len? That's already been disproved. He is superior because of his federally-tested high rate of morsemanship. Superiors do NOT condescend to agree with lowly inferiors. :-) Disagreeing with him is PCTA SOP; requires no effort whatsoever. Be a Maverick like John McCain and take an itsy bitsy chance for -once- in your life. How is agreeing or disagreeing with someone on USENET "taking a chance"? Because if you find yourself agreeing with Len, Steve will bully you for having done so. John McCain served in the USN, flying in combat. Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book. Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when he was in Japan. Sunuvagun! Jimmie knew Soviet air tactics like the back of your hand. Where did you get that idea, Len? He saw the film "Dr. Strangelove: etc." and that makes him an "expert" on SAC, TAC, Manny, Moe, and Jack. :-) Where have I ever claimed to be an expert on anything? Rest of your bile snipped. Can't deal with the facts, I see. Is that what you call them? Well, that bile has to go somewhere. Better here than polluting some PA community. :-) The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a lot of effort into it. btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of course you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other names, and referring to him by the wrong gender. Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to stop. But I don't think you want him to stop. I do. |
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#9
November 9th 04, 04:21 AM
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(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ... Jimmie got as far as looking up Bear bombers in some book. Naw, just the Internet. Found out they weren't a threat to Len when he was in Japan. Sunuvagun! Sunnuvagun, indeed! Danged shame Lennie didn't get far with THAT rant, either. Jimmie knew Soviet air tactics like the back of your hand. Where did you get that idea, Len? He got it from his flailings at trying to discredit Brian Kelly, W3RV. Lenie can't keep his stories straight. He saw the film "Dr. Strangelove: etc." and that makes him an "expert" on SAC, TAC, Manny, Moe, and Jack. :-) Where have I ever claimed to be an expert on anything? Rest of your bile snipped. Can't deal with the facts, I see. And I've been saying that for...HOW LONG...?!?! Well, that bile has to go somewhere. Better here than polluting some PA community. :-) The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a lot of effort into it. C'mon, Jim! Don't count yourself out! You're a bit more civil about it, but you're right in there too! Don't be shy! You've jabbed me on several occassions about "not replying" to Lennie and Brainless, however your responses to Lennie outnumber mine in the last 6 months by a loooooong stretch! btw, Len, a little googling turned up the fun fact that Steve began calling you a putz back on August 6, 1999 - if not earlier. Of course you had previously made a habit of calling him "nursie" and other names, and referring to him by the wrong gender. Perhaps you need to try some new techniques if you want him to stop. But I don't think you want him to stop. I am a nurse, Jim. That he cares to feminize it is of no concern to me. And he IS a putz. In 2004 as in 1999. It's the ONE thing he DOES have practical experience in. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#10
November 9th 04, 11:49 AM
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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message . com... The bile on rrap comes from the three-way Steve/Len/Wiliam whizzing contest. You all must get something from it, because you sure put a lot of effort into it. C'mon, Jim! Don't count yourself out! You're a bit more civil about it, but you're right in there too! Don't be shy! You've jabbed me on several occassions about "not replying" to Lennie and Brainless, however your responses to Lennie outnumber mine in the last 6 months by a loooooong stretch! Yup. Jim's been wallowing in the mud for a while now. |
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