Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

We've already seen how you react to others who have served our country in
both military and nonmilitary government service.

Right...for making lots of brags and claims and implied "combat
experience" as in "seven hostile actions." :-)

Or those who were "in Vietnam" yet can't be specific about what
they did or where.

Can't be or won't be, Leonard? Fact is, I did a tour in Viet Nam in the
USAF, 1970-1971.

Wow! A whole year! See any "action?" :-)

Yeah, a whole year. Care to figure out how much longer than John Kerry
I was there?

What EXACTLY did you do? (you never mentioned that in detail)

(no, I never mentioned that in detail. enjoy the suspense.)

You made insulting remarks about it.

I ran out of medals and pretty certificates (suitable for framing).

You no more issue medals and certificates for Viet Nam service than you
participate in amateur radio.

Or those who "served the country" by being a minor civilian sort for a
defense contractor on a USN aircraft carrier. [I tend to dismiss
the claims of "taking photographs for naval intelligence" as having
any importance]

When does a defense contractors work aboard a USN aircraft carrier
become a "minor civilian sort". You say it all when you add the
parenthetical material. You seem to have difficulty making a statement
about someone's work or military service without insulting them. This
has long been your method.

Tsk. I'm just copying the style of the PCTA...all "heroes" if from
their glowing self-styled words. Any NCTA never "really" served
their country.

You're actually just copying your own style.

"Dave" wants his State experiences enobled as wonderful radio
acts for the nation or something.

When was that ever claimed by me?

It's in between just about every line you write... :-)

You should get together with your fan base, "William". Both of you
spend your time reading what isn't written instead of what is written.

By the way, Dave is my name. It needs no quotes. "William's" name
isn't William.

I thought you were "K8MN." Apparently that is the formal name
that other PCTA use in referring to you.

We radio amateurs are issued callsigns. We often use them instead of
names. You may forgiven your ignorance since you're an outsider.

"Dave" is your legal signature? It isn't "David?" Tsk. My bad.

Is "Len" your legal signature? You recently told someone to call you
"Len"...or ".

State Department just doesn't
have the size or scope to compete with the U.S. military commo
facilities.

...or it could just be that needs of the Department of State aren't the
same as those of the U.S. military.

The DSN has taken over the day-to-day task for that
and the U.S. Army Signal Corps has long served State for the
vital sensitive communications means (which "Dave" will
immediately argue since he is most sensitive to any sort of
negativism to "Dave").

Dave will argue because there are no facts to support your silly claim.
The U.S. Army Signal Corps not only hasn't "long served State", it plays
absolutely no role in providing the U.S. Department of State with
communications.

Tsk. For years the U.S. Army Signal Corps has been assigned
the task of providing communications for the President of the
United States.

That's wonderful news, Leonard. I'd have never known anything about
WHCA if not for your insider information. Haw! The Department of State
is not involved with POTUS communications. My involvement in the '97
Clinton-Yeltsin summit in Helsinki dealt with obtaining frequency
clearances, obtaining permission to use repeater sites, obtaining a
mini-switch and the requested number of telephone lines for the site
hotel and obtaining a number of cellular telephones for the President's
team.

When the "hotline" was operational (I don't know
if it still is), it was manned by Signal Corps personnel at the
Washington end. [public references are available for that
information]

And this information, relates to Department of State communications in
what particular way?

The DSN is now the main communications means for all government
communications, military and civilian alike.

....or so you apparently think.

The DSN is maintained
by military personnel, usually by USA or USAF units depending on
the territory.

In all my days in Department of State communications, I never once dealt
with military personnel as a part of normal operations. That was true
whether the circuit was radio or leased line.

Once again, you make a statement of supposed fact with
the truth omitted. Do you ever get anything correct?

Well, "Dave without the quote marks," last time I looked, the
President of the United States is rather OVER the State
Department. [see any government organization chart]

I see you've come up with a simplistic view of things. That might have
led you to make some very incorrect assumptions. The President is OVER
the CIA. The military does not run CIA communications. The President
is OVER the Department of Energy. The military does not run Department
of Energy communications. You're batting zip.

The "hotline' (continuous TTY circuit, Washington to Moscow)
served for at least three decades, all that time run at this end
of the circuit by U.S. Army Signal Corps people. [one can see
a couple photos of that in David Kahn's "The Codebreakers,"
NYT best-seller listing in the early 1960s]

....and this relates to the Department of State in what way? The fact
is, you're completely incorrect. You don't know what you're talking
about.
If it is possible, you know less about Department of State
communications than you know of amateur radio.

You weren't insulted for standing retreat. You were insulted for trying
to associate their deaths with your service.

Tsk. "Steve" deliberately made that "dishonor" statement (false)
and you must back it up because you want to personally insult
me. Rather SOP in here among the rezidentura PCTA extras. :-)

Yes, Steve made a statement. If I'm not mistaken, he viewed your
attempt to associate yourself with those who died in battle as
dishonoring them.

I note that you snipped my remarks about your classici Sphincter post,
the one in which you described what it feels like to be in battle. My
remakrs ended with the line below:

The only problem was, you were never in battle.

Almost true. :-) Was shot AT just once on TDY to the Land of
Morning Calm. Never saw who did the shooting.

You were shot at once while on TDY and that became the basis for the
Sphincter Post?

In retrospect, I think it might have been a PCTA or some USMC
rebel. :-)

Or one of your Army colleagues who tired of hearing the ADA lectures.
:-)

Perhaps BOTH? :-)

Why? Were you shooting off your mouth about morse testing back then?

That's all nice. Thanks for yet another irrelevant restatement of your
knowledge of SINCGARS, IHFR and small unit military communications. I
never served in a small unit nor do I need SINCGARS or IHFR in my
amateur radio operations. Come to think of it, I never needed them in
my Department of State communications.

What DID you use? AN/FRC-93? :-)

Keep guessing.

Tsk. Department of State communications isn't REALLY relevant
to U.S. amateur radio, is it?

It is at least as relevant as your experience at ADA--a lot more recent
too. Then again, you brought up my State Department service.

Hello, do I hear some hypocrisy from a PCTA critic? :-)

None at all. You, Leonard Anderson, introduced my State Department
communications experience. You crowed about how the military controls
Department of State communications. You were flat wrong.

You're long on emotion and short on facts, Len.

Tsk. You are big on wind-bagedness and get your "corrections"
WRONG.

"Bagedness"? This newsgroup has never seen your equal as a
pontificating windbag. Trouble is, much of your information is just
wrong.

Sunnuvagun!

There are any number of
things taking place in the world on which you've not commented.

Tsk. Those aren't relevant to U.S. amateur radio POLICY, are they?

Ohhhhhhhh. So when you commented to Jim about supporting or condoning
something Steve might have written, you meant just those things directly
relating to amateur radio policy? Is that correct?


Radio is radio. It obeys physical laws, not the laws of mankind.

The FCC is tasked to regulate all of U.S. civil radio.

That has to be a tough assignment since, as you said, radio obeys only
physical laws, not the laws of mankind. Just how does the Commission
manage to make radio behave?

Oddly enough,
the FCC is most "involved" in U.S. amateur radio even though NO
commissioner or staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license.

It isn't odd at all, Len. Let me paint your a pictu

FCC: Regulates radio. Paid to do so. Involved in amateur radio.

Radio Amateurs: Tested and licensed to use radio under Part 97 of
FCC regs. Taking payment for providing radio
service is prohibited. Involved in amateur radio.

Len Anderson: Does not regulate amateur radio. Not licensed under Part
97 of FCC rules. Not involved in amateur radio.

There.

Dave K8MN