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November 13th 04, 12:45 PM
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Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: (N2EY) Date: 11/12/2004 4:04 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) wrote in message ... He walks over you like an old oriental rug. How? How...?!?! Yes, how? Has Len been able to force me to do anything? To do better than me in *any* amateur-radio-related activity? To convincingly show that *any* of my arguments here are flat-out wrong? He keeps you coming back when you keep telling everyone else to "stop responding to him". =0 I know a good opthamologist, Jim! Look again. Between Len and me - who is in control, who acts mature, and who is acting out and being immature? That's not the point, Jim. The point is suggesting one course of actions to everyone else, yet continuing the same course of action yourself. It doesn't look right. Len calls me name, posts things that aren't true and attempts to insult me. In general he behaves like an out-of-control child here. Does that mean I should do the same? Hmmm? "Hmmm?" indeed, Jim. You do keep coming back. It does keep giving him a "raison de guerre" You have children, Steve. If one of them acts like a child, do *you* do the same? I doubt it very much. Thankfully when she gets out of sorts, I can redirect her and she acts accordingly. There ae consequences for acting foolish, and she rarely transgresses. He's a scumbag bully. Well, that's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. A "bully" is someone who gets others to do his/her bidding by force or intimidation. When has Len been able to do that to me? Everytime you respond to him, Jim...EVERY time. At best, Len is a bully-wannabe. Everytime you respond to him, he wins. Someone in this NG taught me that...Now WHO could it be...?!?! Can you cite a single project or program that incorporates a SINGLE reference to any of Lennie's "Ham Radio" writings? Nope. But then again, I haven't read every issue of "ham radio", "CQ" or "73". Nor have I visited every amateur radio website in existence. There may exist, somewhere out there, a reference to Len's articles in "ham radio" magazine. Besides, what does it matter? Len's most recent article in "ham radio" was published over 22 years ago IIRC. And you can bet your bottom dollar if Sir Scumbag had even ONE citeable use of ANY of his work in Amateur Radio, he'd have rubbed our noses in it by now. You've told me to set the example, Jim. I only comment on a LennieRant on rare occassion now, and usually only when commenting second hand because someone else quoted him, usually either you or Dave. But you're still calling names, etc. Because he's still a putz. That's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. A bit of your own medicine, Kind Sir! Stop responding to him! No comment? Judge by my actions. I'll judge by your next response to one of Lennie's posts. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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November 13th 04, 08:23 PM
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Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote:
Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (N2EY) Date: 11/12/2004 4:04 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) wrote in message ... He walks over you like an old oriental rug. How? How...?!?! Yes, how? Has Len been able to force me to do anything? To do better than me in *any* amateur-radio-related activity? To convincingly show that *any* of my arguments here are flat-out wrong? He keeps you coming back when you keep telling everyone else to "stop responding to him". =0 I know a good opthamologist, Jim! Look again. Between Len and me - who is in control, who acts mature, and who is acting out and being immature? That's not the point, Jim. The point is suggesting one course of actions to everyone else, yet continuing the same course of action yourself. It doesn't look right. Len calls me name, posts things that aren't true and attempts to insult me. In general he behaves like an out-of-control child here. Does that mean I should do the same? Hmmm? "Hmmm?" indeed, Jim. You do keep coming back. It does keep giving him a "raison de guerre" You have children, Steve. If one of them acts like a child, do *you* do the same? I doubt it very much. Thankfully when she gets out of sorts, I can redirect her and she acts accordingly. There ae consequences for acting foolish, and she rarely transgresses. He's a scumbag bully. Well, that's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. A "bully" is someone who gets others to do his/her bidding by force or intimidation. When has Len been able to do that to me? Everytime you respond to him, Jim...EVERY time. At best, Len is a bully-wannabe. Everytime you respond to him, he wins. Someone in this NG taught me that...Now WHO could it be...?!?! Can you cite a single project or program that incorporates a SINGLE reference to any of Lennie's "Ham Radio" writings? Nope. But then again, I haven't read every issue of "ham radio", "CQ" or "73". Nor have I visited every amateur radio website in existence. There may exist, somewhere out there, a reference to Len's articles in "ham radio" magazine. Besides, what does it matter? Len's most recent article in "ham radio" was published over 22 years ago IIRC. And you can bet your bottom dollar if Sir Scumbag had even ONE citeable use of ANY of his work in Amateur Radio, he'd have rubbed our noses in it by now. You've told me to set the example, Jim. I only comment on a LennieRant on rare occassion now, and usually only when commenting second hand because someone else quoted him, usually either you or Dave. But you're still calling names, etc. Because he's still a putz. That's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. A bit of your own medicine, Kind Sir! Stop responding to him! No comment? Judge by my actions. I'll judge by your next response to one of Lennie's posts. Steve, I have to agree with you here. While we all at times reply to Len, there isn't any point in telling each other not to. Jim, it probably isn't all that consistent of an approach to kvetch about Steve's postings to him. Granted you two have different approaches, but that isn't the point here. Its a newsgroup. There are sometimes nasty disagreeable people here. We reply to them because there is something in it for us. Sometimes its just plain fun! The guy on the other end is having fun too. So be it. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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November 13th 04, 09:39 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4YZ) wrote in message ...
Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (N2EY) Date: 11/12/2004 4:04 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Look again. Between Len and me - who is in control, who acts mature, and who is acting out and being immature? That's not the point, Jim. The point is suggesting one course of actions to everyone else, yet continuing the same course of action yourself. It doesn't look right. That has been the crux of Steve's problem with his adversaries. He accuses them of being liars all the while lying himself. It just isn't right. |
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#5
November 15th 04, 09:59 PM
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(William) writes: The point is suggesting one course of actions to everyone else, yet continuing the same course of action yourself. It doesn't look right. That has been the crux of Steve's problem with his adversaries. He accuses them of being liars all the while lying himself. It just isn't right. No problem. PCTA extras have complete freedom of hypocrisy. In here. NCTAs must be absolutely, positively "correct" (according to the PCTA extra code of ethics) or they are riverbottom scum (or other nasty pejoratives). In here. |
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November 13th 04, 10:04 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4YZ) writes: Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS.... From: (N2EY) Date: 11/12/2004 4:04 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4YZ) wrote in message ... He walks over you like an old oriental rug. How? How...?!?! Yes, how? Has Len been able to force me to do anything? To do better than me in *any* amateur-radio-related activity? To convincingly show that *any* of my arguments here are flat-out wrong? He keeps you coming back when you keep telling everyone else to "stop responding to him". He doesn't "keep me coming back". I respond to him when it suits me to do so. =0 I know a good opthamologist, Jim! Look again. Between Len and me - who is in control, who acts mature, and who is acting out and being immature? That's not the point, Jim. I think it is one point. The point is suggesting one course of actions to everyone else, yet continuing the same course of action yourself. It doesn't look right. The difference (as I see it) is how we respond. But perhaps your point is valid also. Len calls me name, posts things that aren't true and attempts to insult me. In general he behaves like an out-of-control child here. Does that mean I should do the same? Hmmm? "Hmmm?" indeed, Jim. Just answer the question, Steve. Should I behave as Len does or not? You do keep coming back. Very true. It does keep giving him a "raison de guerre" If attention is all he wants, you have a very valid point. You have children, Steve. If one of them acts like a child, do *you* do the same? I doubt it very much. Thankfully when she gets out of sorts, I can redirect her and she acts accordingly. There ae consequences for acting foolish, and she rarely transgresses. But that doesn't answer the question. If a child of yours throws a tantrum, do you do the same? I really don't think you do. However, if both are points are processed together, there's another fact that develops: If a child acts out simply to get attention, *any* attention is rewarding that behavior. He's a scumbag bully. Well, that's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. It's a fact that it's an opinion! A "bully" is someone who gets others to do his/her bidding by force or intimidation. When has Len been able to do that to me? Everytime you respond to him, Jim...EVERY time. Not as I see it. But that doesn't mean I should respond, because it may be rewarding the behavior regardless of the style of the response. At best, Len is a bully-wannabe. Everytime you respond to him, he wins. If attention is his goal, you're absolutely right. Someone in this NG taught me that...Now WHO could it be...?!?! I'm not quite sure... Can you cite a single project or program that incorporates a SINGLE reference to any of Lennie's "Ham Radio" writings? Nope. But then again, I haven't read every issue of "ham radio", "CQ" or "73". Nor have I visited every amateur radio website in existence. There may exist, somewhere out there, a reference to Len's articles in "ham radio" magazine. Besides, what does it matter? Len's most recent article in "ham radio" was published over 22 years ago IIRC. And you can bet your bottom dollar if Sir Scumbag had even ONE citeable use of ANY of his work in Amateur Radio, he'd have rubbed our noses in it by now. You know...I never thought of that....and you're absolutely right. You've told me to set the example, Jim. I only comment on a LennieRant on rare occassion now, and usually only when commenting second hand because someone else quoted him, usually either you or Dave. But you're still calling names, etc. Because he's still a putz. That's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. Our opinions differ on that. A bit of your own medicine, Kind Sir! Stop responding to him! No comment? Judge by my actions. I'll judge by your next response to one of Lennie's posts. Indeed. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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November 14th 04, 08:07 AM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: He keeps you coming back when you keep telling everyone else to "stop responding to him". He doesn't "keep me coming back". I respond to him when it suits me to do so. Coughcough...snickersnicker... Look again. Between Len and me - who is in control, who acts mature, and who is acting out and being immature? That's not the point, Jim. I think it is one point. I've said the same thing, Jim. Your counsel was the same. The point is suggesting one course of actions to everyone else, yet continuing the same course of action yourself. It doesn't look right. The difference (as I see it) is how we respond. But perhaps your point is valid also. Thank-you. But it was YOUR point, Jim, not mine! Len calls me name, posts things that aren't true and attempts to insult me. In general he behaves like an out-of-control child here. Does that mean I should do the same? Hmmm? "Hmmm?" indeed, Jim. Just answer the question, Steve. Should I behave as Len does or not? It's not a matter of how Lennie behaves or how you respond to it, Jim, it's THAT you respond after having offered counsel to others to NOT respond at all. You do keep coming back. Very true. It does keep giving him a "raison de guerre" If attention is all he wants, you have a very valid point. What else can he want, Jim? He doesn't have nor does it seem he really wants a license. It could have been his decades ago if he wanted it. He could be a part of the same fraternity you and I are and be making his mark amongst them if he so chose to do so. Instead he's the King with his New Clothes. You have children, Steve. If one of them acts like a child, do *you* do the same? I doubt it very much. Thankfully when she gets out of sorts, I can redirect her and she acts accordingly. There ae consequences for acting foolish, and she rarely transgresses. But that doesn't answer the question. If a child of yours throws a tantrum, do you do the same? I really don't think you do. However, if both are points are processed together, there's another fact that develops: If a child acts out simply to get attention, *any* attention is rewarding that behavior. He's a scumbag bully. Well, that's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. It's a fact that it's an opinion! It's a fact that he IS a scumbag bully. There's just too much documentation to the contrary. A "bully" is someone who gets others to do his/her bidding by force or intimidation. When has Len been able to do that to me? Everytime you respond to him, Jim...EVERY time. Not as I see it. But that doesn't mean I should respond, because it may be rewarding the behavior regardless of the style of the response. Yep. Regardless of whether you threw the dog the bone, or whether he tore it off the postman's leg, he gets it. I say leave him chained up and let him starve. At best, Len is a bully-wannabe. Everytime you respond to him, he wins. If attention is his goal, you're absolutely right. Someone in this NG taught me that...Now WHO could it be...?!?! I'm not quite sure... Coughcough snickersnicker.... =) Can you cite a single project or program that incorporates a SINGLE reference to any of Lennie's "Ham Radio" writings? Nope. But then again, I haven't read every issue of "ham radio", "CQ" or "73". Nor have I visited every amateur radio website in existence. There may exist, somewhere out there, a reference to Len's articles in "ham radio" magazine. Besides, what does it matter? Len's most recent article in "ham radio" was published over 22 years ago IIRC. And you can bet your bottom dollar if Sir Scumbag had even ONE citeable use of ANY of his work in Amateur Radio, he'd have rubbed our noses in it by now. You know...I never thought of that....and you're absolutely right. Thanks again. Can I frame this post? You've told me to set the example, Jim. I only comment on a LennieRant on rare occassion now, and usually only when commenting second hand because someone else quoted him, usually either you or Dave. But you're still calling names, etc. Because he's still a putz. That's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. Our opinions differ on that. A bit of your own medicine, Kind Sir! Stop responding to him! No comment? Judge by my actions. I'll judge by your next response to one of Lennie's posts. Indeed. Indeed indeed! =) 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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November 14th 04, 05:32 PM
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In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: The difference (as I see it) is how we respond. But perhaps your point is valid also. Thank-you. But it was YOUR point, Jim, not mine! So I'm correct all around! Len calls me name, posts things that aren't true and attempts to insult me. In general he behaves like an out-of-control child here. Does that mean I should do the same? Hmmm? "Hmmm?" indeed, Jim. Just answer the question, Steve. Should I behave as Len does or not? It's not a matter of how Lennie behaves or how you respond to it, Jim, it's THAT you respond after having offered counsel to others to NOT respond at all. I agree, now that you've pointed it out. Still, you've avoided my question: - Should I behave as Len does or not? You do keep coming back. Very true. It does keep giving him a "raison de guerre" If attention is all he wants, you have a very valid point. What else can he want, Jim? Perhaps he really does think that his antics can lead to a better ARS. Or maybe he wants the ARS as we know it destroyed. He doesn't have nor does it seem he really wants a license. That was clear years ago. It could have been his decades ago if he wanted it. He could be a part of the same fraternity you and I are and be making his mark amongst them if he so chose to do so. Instead he's the King with his New Clothes. I seem to recall someone's actions here being described as "pointing out that Emperor Len has no logical clothes".... You have children, Steve. If one of them acts like a child, do *you* do the same? I doubt it very much. Thankfully when she gets out of sorts, I can redirect her and she acts accordingly. There ae consequences for acting foolish, and she rarely transgresses. But that doesn't answer the question. If a child of yours throws a tantrum, do you do the same? I really don't think you do. Hmmm? However, if both are points are processed together, there's another fact that develops: If a child acts out simply to get attention, *any* attention is rewarding that behavior. He's a scumbag bully. Well, that's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. It's a fact that it's an opinion! It's a fact that he IS a scumbag bully. There's just too much documentation to the contrary. It's an opinion as to what constitutes documentation. A "bully" is someone who gets others to do his/her bidding by force or intimidation. When has Len been able to do that to me? Everytime you respond to him, Jim...EVERY time. Not as I see it. But that doesn't mean I should respond, because it may be rewarding the behavior regardless of the style of the response. Yep. Regardless of whether you threw the dog the bone, or whether he tore it off the postman's leg, he gets it. I say leave him chained up and let him starve. Arf! At best, Len is a bully-wannabe. Everytime you respond to him, he wins. If attention is his goal, you're absolutely right. Someone in this NG taught me that...Now WHO could it be...?!?! I'm not quite sure... Coughcough snickersnicker.... =) You need a good ENT person? Can you cite a single project or program that incorporates a SINGLE reference to any of Lennie's "Ham Radio" writings? Nope. But then again, I haven't read every issue of "ham radio", "CQ" or "73". Nor have I visited every amateur radio website in existence. There may exist, somewhere out there, a reference to Len's articles in "ham radio" magazine. Besides, what does it matter? Len's most recent article in "ham radio" was published over 22 years ago IIRC. And you can bet your bottom dollar if Sir Scumbag had even ONE citeable use of ANY of his work in Amateur Radio, he'd have rubbed our noses in it by now. You know...I never thought of that....and you're absolutely right. Thanks again. Can I frame this post? I thought you printed out and framed all my posts. ;-) 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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November 15th 04, 12:03 AM
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Subject: Designed And Built By PROFESSIONALS....
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 11/14/2004 11:32 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: The difference (as I see it) is how we respond. But perhaps your point is valid also. Thank-you. But it was YOUR point, Jim, not mine! So I'm correct all around! Len calls me name, posts things that aren't true and attempts to insult me. In general he behaves like an out-of-control child here. Does that mean I should do the same? Hmmm? "Hmmm?" indeed, Jim. Just answer the question, Steve. Should I behave as Len does or not? It's not a matter of how Lennie behaves or how you respond to it, Jim, it's THAT you respond after having offered counsel to others to NOT respond at all. I agree, now that you've pointed it out. Still, you've avoided my question: - Should I behave as Len does or not? And I have answered it, Jim. It's not about "acting like Lennie". It's a fact that he IS a scumbag bully. There's just too much documentation to the contrary. It's an opinion as to what constitutes documentation. I am quite satisfied that Google's archives do that nicely. A "bully" is someone who gets others to do his/her bidding by force or intimidation. When has Len been able to do that to me? Everytime you respond to him, Jim...EVERY time. Not as I see it. But that doesn't mean I should respond, because it may be rewarding the behavior regardless of the style of the response. Yep. Regardless of whether you threw the dog the bone, or whether he tore it off the postman's leg, he gets it. I say leave him chained up and let him starve. Arf! Arf arf! Thanks again. Can I frame this post? I thought you printed out and framed all my posts. ;-) I can't afford that much paper! =) 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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November 15th 04, 03:43 AM
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: The difference (as I see it) is how we respond. But perhaps your point is valid also. Thank-you. But it was YOUR point, Jim, not mine! So I'm correct all around! Of course. Len calls me name, posts things that aren't true and attempts to insult me. In general he behaves like an out-of-control child here. Does that mean I should do the same? Hmmm? "Hmmm?" indeed, Jim. Just answer the question, Steve. Should I behave as Len does or not? It's not a matter of how Lennie behaves or how you respond to it, Jim, it's THAT you respond after having offered counsel to others to NOT respond at all. I agree, now that you've pointed it out. Still, you've avoided my question: - Should I behave as Len does or not? Better yet, should you behave as Steve does, or not? You do keep coming back. Very true. It does keep giving him a "raison de guerre" If attention is all he wants, you have a very valid point. What else can he want, Jim? Perhaps he really does think that his antics can lead to a better ARS. Or maybe he wants the ARS as we know it destroyed. Maybe. Ask him. He doesn't have nor does it seem he really wants a license. That was clear years ago. Really? It could have been his decades ago if he wanted it. He could be a part of the same fraternity you and I are and be making his mark amongst them if he so chose to do so. Instead he's the King with his New Clothes. I seem to recall someone's actions here being described as "pointing out that Emperor Len has no logical clothes".... Oh, my! That must be where the fixation on Len's genitalia began. You have children, Steve. If one of them acts like a child, do *you* do the same? I doubt it very much. You should leave Steve's family out of the fray. Thankfully when she gets out of sorts, I can redirect her and she acts accordingly. There ae consequences for acting foolish, and she rarely transgresses. But that doesn't answer the question. If a child of yours throws a tantrum, do you do the same? I really don't think you do. Hmmm? Hmm? However, if both are points are processed together, there's another fact that develops: If a child acts out simply to get attention, *any* attention is rewarding that behavior. He's a scumbag bully. Well, that's a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. It's a fact that it's an opinion! It's a fact that he IS a scumbag bully. There's just too much documentation to the contrary. It's an opinion as to what constitutes documentation. Indeed. Steve is the documented bully. A "bully" is someone who gets others to do his/her bidding by force or intimidation. When has Len been able to do that to me? Everytime you respond to him, Jim...EVERY time. Not as I see it. But that doesn't mean I should respond, because it may be rewarding the behavior regardless of the style of the response. Yep. Regardless of whether you threw the dog the bone, or whether he tore it off the postman's leg, he gets it. I say leave him chained up and let him starve. Arf! At best, Len is a bully-wannabe. Everytime you respond to him, he wins. If attention is his goal, you're absolutely right. Someone in this NG taught me that...Now WHO could it be...?!?! I'm not quite sure... Coughcough snickersnicker.... =) You need a good ENT person? Has Steve ever learned a lesson? He shouts names and absurd accusations at every opportunity. Can you cite a single project or program that incorporates a SINGLE reference to any of Lennie's "Ham Radio" writings? Nope. But then again, I haven't read every issue of "ham radio", "CQ" or "73". Nor have I visited every amateur radio website in existence. There may exist, somewhere out there, a reference to Len's articles in "ham radio" magazine. Besides, what does it matter? Len's most recent article in "ham radio" was published over 22 years ago IIRC. And you can bet your bottom dollar if Sir Scumbag had even ONE citeable use of ANY of his work in Amateur Radio, he'd have rubbed our noses in it by now. You know...I never thought of that....and you're absolutely right. Thanks again. Can I frame this post? I thought you printed out and framed all my posts. ;-) 73 de Jim, N2EY Indeed he does. |
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