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K4YZ wrote:
Dave wrote:

sure it is, they just have to know how to use their 'split' button.
of course now some europeans can go up to 7200, so that is a bit of
a help.

A-yup...My FT-757 isn't the most luxurious rig on the market, but
that split feature works well...Use it lots for the DX tests...Even
for routine calls...I've made a lot of "random" QSOs by tuning 7050 to
7100 then transmitting where they indicate they are listening.

If they are indicating where they are listening, it's not random.


That's exactly the problem. Until each country gets the additional 7100-
7200 spectrum, truly random phone QSOs remain impossible. If someone over
there calls CQ and doesn't listen up, they get to work any country they
want bar one, the USA, so why should 90% of them listen up? Ergo, most of
them don't.

Alun L. Palmer wrote:

Until each country gets the additional 7100-
7200 spectrum, truly random phone QSOs remain impossible.

Why "impossible"?

More and more countries are opening 7100-7200 to their hams. In less
than 5 years the SWBC will all be gone. Non-split 'phone DX QSOs on 40
are becoming more and more common.

If someone over
there calls CQ and doesn't listen up, they get to work any
country they
want bar one, the USA, so why should 90% of them listen up?
Ergo, most of them don't.

Here's a clue: Many of them don't want just another Yank QSL. There are
so many US hams that if they don't "listen up", there's probably a very
good reason.

A lot of DX 'phones work split almost as a rule - not just on 40 but on
every band, as a way of thinning out the QRM and keeping their own QRG
clear.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Alun L. Palmer wrote:

That's exactly the problem. Until each country gets the additional 7100-
7200 spectrum, truly random phone QSOs remain impossible. If someone over
there calls CQ and doesn't listen up, they get to work any country they
want bar one, the USA, so why should 90% of them listen up? Ergo, most of
them don't.

Not only that, but for many of us "listening up" is worthless. 7100 up
and 3850 up are full of broadcast stations, often several on the same
frequency. There is no place to listen up.

The only chance I have of a voice QSO with the U.S. is on 20m just before
and after sunset. Since that's currently around noon on the east coast,
there aren't a lot of people listening.

When the sunspots are with me, I can pick up 10m repeaters with an
HT. I've never been able to work one with it.


73,

Geoff.

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"Alun" wrote


Well, it gives us a window to work with, for
a few countries.


For as long as I can remember there's been a "window" on 40 meters
where I've been able to work any country in EU. Starts at 7.000 and
stretches upward for 100KHz.

73, de Hans, K0HB





Not true for phone ops though, is it?

"Learn it... Earn it." That spectrum has always been available to all
willing to upgrade their ticket.


You just don't get it, do you? I'm alreadt an Extra and I passed 20 wpm. I
want to talk to people, not beep at them!

I "get it" just fine, Alun. I just don't agree with it. I'm quite aware that
you're already an Extra and passed Element 1C, however, there is plenty of
spectrum where one can "talk."

The bottom of the bands is a place to "beep" and is quite often the only
place where some pretty rare DX shows up. It's sad enough that the FCC
appears willing to acquiesce to the spirit of underachievement. I certainly
don't want to have the bottom of the bands QRM'd with phone transmissions
just because those who celebrate this underachievement want more RF real
estate to "talk."

Those who have had a phone QSO pop up on top of their CW QSO on or about
7040 late at night may understand this a little better.

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384/CC #1736
QRP ARCI #11782

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:21:02 +0000 (UTC), Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

The only chance I have of a voice QSO with the U.S. is on 20m just before
and after sunset. Since that's currently around noon on the east coast,
there aren't a lot of people listening.

When I was living in Ramat Gan, that was the schedule that I
maintained, two sunspot cycles ago (38 years or so). 15 and 20
meters. The US was a double hop away, and the Tel Aviv - NY
commercial HF radiotelephone circuit (pre-underseas cable,
pre-satellite) was the worst one we had. We had a better chance Tel
Aviv - Paris or Tel Aviv - London and then on TAT-5 to New York.
I was involved in the upgrade negotiations, but the Tel Aviv -
Marseilles cable and eventually the IntelSat circuits came on line
several years after I left.

No sweat - the folks whom I communicated with on 20 and 15 meters
were available. I made the first legal ham phone patch between 4X4
and the US in 1965, and had to beat the Germans and Russian stations
off with a stick!!

"Ah, for the good old days..."

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane (4X4UQ)

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"Alun" wrote


Well, it gives us a window to work with, for
a few countries.


For as long as I can remember there's been a "window" on 40 meters
where I've been able to work any country in EU. Starts at 7.000
and stretches upward for 100KHz.

73, de Hans, K0HB





Not true for phone ops though, is it?

"Learn it... Earn it." That spectrum has always been available to all
willing to upgrade their ticket.


You just don't get it, do you? I'm alreadt an Extra and I passed 20
wpm. I want to talk to people, not beep at them!

I "get it" just fine, Alun. I just don't agree with it. I'm quite aware
that you're already an Extra and passed Element 1C,

That's not apparent from what you said

however, there is
plenty of spectrum where one can "talk."

The bottom of the bands is a place to "beep" and is quite often the
only place where some pretty rare DX shows up. It's sad enough that the
FCC appears willing to acquiesce to the spirit of underachievement. I
certainly don't want to have the bottom of the bands QRM'd with phone
transmissions just because those who celebrate this underachievement
want more RF real estate to "talk."


If underacheivement isn't not having passed element 1C, then you must be
labelling wanting to operate phone atall as underacheivement? So you don't
like phone ops - at least we are getting down to your true colours!

Those who have had a phone QSO pop up on top of their CW QSO on or
about 7040 late at night may understand this a little better.


Those who look at the IARU bandplans will see that a phone op on 7040 is in
the right place in many countries. Even here in region 2 phone extends down
to 7050.