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KØHB November 28th 04 03:54 AM



"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote


As it happens, I found the item I was looking for in QST...It was
just a
lot earlier than I thought.


OK, I'll call your bluff. "Prove it" as you're so fond of demanding of
others --- issue date and page number would do nicely.

73, de Hans, K0HB






Steve Robeson K4YZ November 28th 04 02:42 PM

Subject: Who Can Have A US License? Sequential Calls?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 11/27/2004 9:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net



"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote


As it happens, I found the item I was looking for in QST...It was
just a
lot earlier than I thought.


OK, I'll call your bluff. "Prove it" as you're so fond of demanding of
others --- issue date and page number would do nicely.


There's no bluff to call, Master Grief.

I have already deleted the letter I got from the League, but I believe it
was a 92 or 98 issue. Call it whatever you care to, but being "called" by you
is the LEAST of my concerns.

Have fun.

Steve, K4YZ






KØHB November 28th 04 03:36 PM



"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote

As it happens, I found the item I was looking for in QST...It
just a lot earlier than I thought...


OK, I'll call your bluff. "Prove it" as you're so fond of demanding
of
others --- issue date and page number would do nicely.



There's no bluff to call, Master Grief.

I have already deleted the letter I got from the League, but I
believe it
was a 92 or 98 issue. Call it whatever you care to, but being
"called" by you
is the LEAST of my concerns.


Convenient, Steve, but fortunately Google didn't also delete the letter.

QUOTE

Steve,

I have a couple of possibilities for you:

Jul 1992 QST p 40--Wally and Mike: The Podunk Repeater Club--Kearman,
Jim, KR1S

May 2000, "Correspondence," "No Lids, No Kids, No Space Cadets" by Dave
Mitchell, K8DM

If that particular installment of "Wally and Mike" isn't the one you
remember,
it may have been another in the series. Search the on-line index for
author
KR1S and you'll find the others.

Hope this is helpful.

73, Joel
Joel P. Kleinman, N1BKE
Managing Editor, QST

UNQUOTE

Good luck on this one now, Steve.

73, de Hans, K0HB




Alun November 28th 04 06:51 PM

"garigue" wrote in
news:MXaqd.474097$D%.46822@attbi_s51:


I don't think much of that either. There's a possibility of me
moving to Michigan. I wouldn't want to give up N3KIP for some KI8@&
call. I prefer a 1x3 to a 2x2, and I don't want to pay for a vanity
call.

Well, there you have it. I consider myself lucky to have gotten a
1x2; 2x1s sound backwards to me. As in "where's the rest of it?"


I couldn't agree more



I couldn't agree less ......any call that starts with a N is bogus in
my book ....those LETTERS belong on the tail of
a 1905 Wright Flyer not flying through the sacred ether. I got my call
after a few months of having my extra and it was granted in sequence
....... I was going to keep my WA3PPS but it just got too cumbersome.

In all seriousness I could care less about who has what or whatever
...I just like the variety out there and am actually entertained by
some of the really cumbersome CW calls out there. I rarely get on
phone but I do get K13R from time to time from an old-timer .....good
for a chuckle. I tell them the 13th call district is SW Pa. Now if I
could only get up a decent antenna .....another story for another time.

Take care guys .... God Bless ...... Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon
Pa.




The funny thing is that calls with digits after the prefix are not allowed
on planes by ITU rules. In fact the amateur service is pretty much the only
service where FCC calls actually comply with ITU rules, almost all the rest
are in violation.

The correct ITU format for a plane would be like N-ABC for example, where
the dash _is_ a dash, not a placeholder for something else. That's the sort
of call you'll see on planes of all other nations, if you should chance to
hang around an international airport.

N2EY November 28th 04 09:30 PM

In article , Alun
writes:

The UK has no reciprocal licences per se, only permanent or temporary
licences. If you give a UK address you can get a permanent licence,
which is the same licence you get for passing a test. If not, you get a
temporary licence with a portable call. Either way there is a fee, and
for the temporary licence you pay the regular annual fee for only six
months.


So if I ever get to the UK for a vacation, I can get a distinctive UK
license based on my US license (no test)?


You can, you just need someone in the UK who will act as a mail drop,
Otherwise you will just get M0/N2EY if you have it mailed to you direct.
Hmmm, that's almost M0NEY, and I don't think that one has been issued
either.


Seems to me the USA could easily adopt a similar system.

So why can't the USA do something similar for legitimate visitors?


It could, but I can't imagine the FCC wanting to be directly involved


If the fees bring in revenue...

Naw, just lump them in with special event callsigns.


Those are 1x1 calls. How does that work for KH2?


What I meant was that just as there are special rules and callsigns for special
event stations, (including the license term being very short), the same sort of
thing could be done for visitors.


Some have residences both places. Others visit with friends or
relatives up here in summer, then go south during the cold. Under
your plan, they'd be forced to lose their call, or lie to the FCC.


I don't think much of that either. There's a possibility of me moving
to Michigan. I wouldn't want to give up N3KIP for some KI8@& call. I
prefer a 1x3 to a 2x2, and I don't want to pay for a vanity call.


Well, there you have it. I consider myself lucky to have gotten a 1x2;
2x1s sound backwards to me. As in "where's the rest of it?"


I couldn't agree more


The above was meant tongue-in-cheek, of course!

73 de Jim, N2EY




Steve Robeson K4YZ November 28th 04 11:43 PM

Subject: Who Can Have A US License? Sequential Calls?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 11/28/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net



"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote

As it happens, I found the item I was looking for in QST...It
just a lot earlier than I thought...


OK, I'll call your bluff. "Prove it" as you're so fond of demanding
of
others --- issue date and page number would do nicely.



There's no bluff to call, Master Grief.

I have already deleted the letter I got from the League, but I
believe it
was a 92 or 98 issue. Call it whatever you care to, but being
"called" by you
is the LEAST of my concerns.


Convenient, Steve, but fortunately Google didn't also delete the letter.

QUOTE

Steve,

I have a couple of possibilities for you:

Jul 1992 QST p 40--Wally and Mike: The Podunk Repeater Club--Kearman,
Jim, KR1S

May 2000, "Correspondence," "No Lids, No Kids, No Space Cadets" by Dave
Mitchell, K8DM

If that particular installment of "Wally and Mike" isn't the one you
remember,
it may have been another in the series. Search the on-line index for
author
KR1S and you'll find the others.

Hope this is helpful.

73, Joel
Joel P. Kleinman, N1BKE
Managing Editor, QST

UNQUOTE

Good luck on this one now, Steve.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Well there ya go then, Hans.

No luck needed...You had it all the time.

So...were you just trolling for a fight, or your RRF (*) is in the high
90's?

Steve, K4YZ

( * ) Rectal Retention Factor







N2EY December 6th 04 12:13 PM

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote
writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Ah yes, "a boy and his radio", not a net-connected, cluster-spoon-fed,
computer-dependent robo-station


Can I use that description?


No, because some W4 will 'remember' reading it first in CQ or QST and
publicly smear your name as a plagiarist without first checking her
facts. I've seen it happen.


bwaahaahaa

73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID


PS: I hereby grant to N2EY permission for royalty-free use of my
description "net-connected, cluster-spoon-fed, computer-dependent
robo-station©" for any non-commercial purpose.

Just sent in my SS logs. Perhaps I'll include the above in my online soapbox...

btw, have been considering using CT for next year. Since it's DOS-based,
cobbling together a computer to run it in the shack would be a no-cost exercise
for me (have quite a computer boneyard here!) Do you still recommend CT, Hans?
(saw your call on the website).

Or will that revoke my permission to use your description? ;-)

73 de Jim, N2EY


KØHB December 6th 04 05:12 PM

"N2EY" wrote


btw, have been considering using CT for next year. Since it's DOS-based,
cobbling together a computer to run it in the shack would be a no-cost
exercise
for me (have quite a computer boneyard here!) Do you still recommend CT, Hans?
(saw your call on the website).


Yes, I recommend CT. It's still pretty much the 'gold standard' in contesting
software, can't beat the price, and the support is first-rate. Bob Gates should
support his stuff as well as K1EA does!


Didn't hear you in ARRL-160 this weekend. Condx were phenomenal. Had a JA call
ME on Saturday night.


73, de Hans, K0HB








Dee D. Flint December 6th 04 05:55 PM


"KØHB" wrote in message
k.net...
"N2EY" wrote


btw, have been considering using CT for next year. Since it's DOS-based,
cobbling together a computer to run it in the shack would be a no-cost
exercise
for me (have quite a computer boneyard here!) Do you still recommend CT,

Hans?
(saw your call on the website).


Yes, I recommend CT. It's still pretty much the 'gold standard' in

contesting
software, can't beat the price, and the support is first-rate. Bob Gates

should
support his stuff as well as K1EA does!


Didn't hear you in ARRL-160 this weekend. Condx were phenomenal. Had a

JA call
ME on Saturday night.


73, de Hans, K0HB


Lucky you!! What is your setup if I may ask? I was only in a little while
each evening and my antenna is not sufficient to hit a jackpot like that.
I'm doing well if I work Iowa from here. Although I did hear Wyoming but he
was hunting and pouncing darn it!

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


KØHB December 6th 04 06:02 PM

"Dee D. Flint" wrote '


Lucky you!! What is your setup if I may ask? I was only in a little while
each evening and my antenna is not sufficient to hit a jackpot like that.
I'm doing well if I work Iowa from here. Although I did hear Wyoming but he
was hunting and pouncing darn it!


IC-775DSP, AL-1200, Inverted "L".

73, de Hans, K0HB





Dee D. Flint December 6th 04 07:09 PM


"KØHB" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote '


Lucky you!! What is your setup if I may ask? I was only in a little

while
each evening and my antenna is not sufficient to hit a jackpot like

that.
I'm doing well if I work Iowa from here. Although I did hear Wyoming

but he
was hunting and pouncing darn it!


IC-775DSP, AL-1200, Inverted "L".

73, de Hans, K0HB


I've been thinking about trying to set one up. What's the details on yours
(length of vertical section, length of horizontal section, height above
ground, feedline, etc.)?

Thanks,
Dee



KØHB December 6th 04 10:43 PM


"Dee D. Flint" wrote


I've been thinking about trying to set one up. What's the details on yours
(length of vertical section, length of horizontal section, height above
ground, feedline, etc.)?


My overall length is 158 feet. The vertical section is 65 feet, and the
horizontal is 93. This is somewhat longer than the 'classic quarter' design,
but seems to work better for me. Rather than think of it as a quarter wave
antenna, I visualize it as a very short toploaded vertical. I feed with 50-ohm
coax, and a small variable series matching capacitor (I think it's around
400-100pf). My counterpoise is 8 random length radials, plus four 10-foot
copperclad ground rods.

73, de Hans, K0HB





KØHB December 6th 04 11:11 PM





"KØHB" wrote

(I think it's around 400-100pf).


Make that "400-1000pf"

73, de Hans, K0HB





KØHB December 7th 04 02:45 AM



"N2EY" wrote


Have to build an interface to key the Southgate Type 7, though. Nice old CP
Clare mercury wetted relay should do the job...


How much voltage on the keying line? Unless it's grid-block keying or similar,
you won't need a relay.

Serial port keying (assuming the radio is positive keyed) can be built into a
DB25 or DB9 connector shell using only a single resistor and a junk-box
transistor.

Hang a 1K resistor on DTR (pin 20 on a DB25, pin 4 on a DB9). Other end of the
resistor to the base of a small-signal NPN (I use a 2N3904 cuz it was in my junk
box, but 2N4401 or others similar will be just fine). Connect the emitter and
the transmitter ground return to Signal Ground (pin 7 on a DB25, pin 5 on a
DB9). Connect the collector directly to the transceiver key input.

73, de Hans, K0HB




N2EY December 7th 04 12:24 PM

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Have to build an interface to key the Southgate Type 7, though. Nice old CP
Clare mercury wetted relay should do the job...


How much voltage on the keying line?


About 75-100 volts, 20 mA or so. Positive to ground.

Unless it's grid-block keying or
similar, you won't need a relay.


That works!

Serial port keying (assuming the radio is positive keyed) can be built into a

DB25 or DB9 connector shell using only a single resistor and a junk-box
transistor.

Hang a 1K resistor on DTR (pin 20 on a DB25, pin 4 on a DB9). Other end of
the
resistor to the base of a small-signal NPN (I use a 2N3904 cuz it was in my
junk
box, but 2N4401 or others similar will be just fine). Connect the emitter
and
the transmitter ground return to Signal Ground (pin 7 on a DB25, pin 5 on a
DB9). Connect the collector directly to the transceiver key input.

I'll check that out! Have some of junker DB9 and '25 connectors from various
sources. Might need something beefier than a 2N3904 but that's not a problem at
all. Beats dealing with the inductive kick of the relay coil.

Worse comes to worse, a small pentode could be used as a keyer tube to drive
the relay. With low plate voltage the key line could be just a few mils and
volts above ground. Probably won't need to go that far, though.

Thanks Hans!

73 de Jim, N2EY




KØHB December 7th 04 01:56 PM

About 75-100V

Holy moley! Are you serious? Now I know what they mean when they say
"N2EY sure has a hot key."
My idea anticipated maybe 12V keying voltage.

73, de Hans, K0HB


KØHB December 7th 04 02:10 PM

About 75-100 volts, 20 mA or so. Positive to ground.

I just did the math, Jim. You're sinking more power in your keying
circuit than a lot QRPers deliver to the antenna!

73, de Hans, K0HB


N2EY December 7th 04 06:00 PM

In article . com,
"=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=" writes:

About 75-100V


Holy moley! Are you serious?


Heck yes. That's not a lot compared to some rigs I've used.

Type 7 (and Type 6 before it) cathode key the Class A driver stage.

Now I know what they mean when they say
"N2EY sure has a hot key."


bwaahaahaa

My idea anticipated maybe 12V keying voltage.


All it takes is a bigger transistor.

Many manufactured transceivers and trasnmitters using grid block keying put
more juice on the key than my rigs do.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY December 7th 04 06:00 PM

In article .com,
"=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIQg==?=" writes:

About 75-100 volts, 20 mA or so. Positive to ground.


I just did the math, Jim. You're sinking more power in your keying
circuit than a lot QRPers deliver to the antenna!

Not really, Hans.

The 75-100 volts is open-circuit, measured with a VTVM. The 20 mA is
short-circuit.

Of course the pilot lights on the Type 7 (6.3 V at about .8 amp total) use more
power than many QRPers deliver to the antenna....

73 de Jim, N2EY


Dan/W4NTI December 7th 04 07:14 PM


"KØHB" wrote in message
k.net...




"KØHB" wrote

(I think it's around 400-100pf).


Make that "400-1000pf"

73, de Hans, K0HB




I tried that design for a few years myself Hans. And it did indeed work
well. Then I decided to go with the classic 1/4 wave design. I really
couldn't tell much, if any difference. Only advantage to the 1/4 wave
design that I can see is the transmitter likes it better. Thus don't have
to use a tuner or matching device.

Dan/W4NTI




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