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K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT!
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote We spent billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives in Europe...Now we get spit on by them. So what? Seems we'd have learned our lesson! But nooooooooooooo, Shrub-Condi-Rummy make up a big lie about WMD's, convince Colin Powell to swear it's a fact, and get us bogged down for "many years" (their words, not mine). We should have dispatched SH and walked away. It's easy to declare a war if you aren't personally required to attend. 73, Hans, K0HB |
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote President Clinton did not stand up in front of the American people and state "we are in a state of war". What he "stood up and said" is invenerial, Steve. He was the sitting President and the Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces who were making war on Slobodan Milosevic and Company. Ergo, by calling him "Slick Willy" you verbalized a derrogatory diminutive for the President in a time of war. Funny that you'd get all spun up in righteous indignation when I simply followed your example. Damn, but you're two faced! 3, de Hans, K0HB |
Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT!
From: "KØHB" Date: 12/19/2004 8:08 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net Damn, but you're two faced! Well look who I had to learn from, Hansl... Some role model YOU turned out to be! Steve, K4YZ |
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... Sounds like fear of the truth to me. Fear that Shrub might actually be wrong about something. Fear that it's not as simple as "Republicans/conservatives good, Democrats/progressives bad". 73 de Jim, N2EY That argument...contention...position...division...what ever it shall be called, will never be given up. The politicians have been too busy at building it for the past 6-7 years. It works wonderfully for them. Kim W5TIT |
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"N2EY" wrote in message ... Sounds like fear of the truth to me. Fear that Shrub might actually be wrong about something. Fear that it's not as simple as "Republicans/conservatives good, Democrats/progressives bad". 73 de Jim, N2EY That argument...contention...position...division...what ever it shall be called, will never be given up. The politicians have been too busy at building it for the past 6-7 years. It works wonderfully for them. But only for a little while. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote You actually have the temerity to suggest that actually participating IN the democratic process is no different than expressing disrespect for our leaders? Should I lie and say I respect him as President? The last President I had any real respect for was his father. I'm sure he's a nice guy.... probably a hell of a bass fisherman or deer hunter, a good father, faithful husband, regular churchgoer and all that, but he's a lousy President. 3s, de Hans, K0HB |
""" I know the story, Jim.
Your posts here on the subject don't indicate that. It's the same one in Vietnam. Only we fared just slightly better in Korea. Same mistakes. (Korean history lesson snipped...But thatnks...) You also avoid the hard questions.""" As does N2EY. Regardless, its always good to hear about all of our mistakes from someone on the safe side of the line. All that "real military experience" gleaned from Academiatopia. Hi! What's next? |
"""I'm sure he's a nice guy.... probably a hell of a bass fisherman or
deer hunter, a good father, faithful husband, regular churchgoer and all that, but he's a lousy President. 3s, de Hans, K0HB""" I don't know about all that, but he's right to use any means at his disposal to defeat terrorist attacks on the USA, including turning off the Global Positioning System. I guess you and everybody else mooching off of the DoD forgot that it isn't yours and you can't jump up and down screaming "Its my right, its my right." Well, maybe you can but it won't matter. Just suck it up because GPS was designed that way. |
"bb" wrote I guess you and everybody else mooching off of the DoD forgot that it isn't yours and you can't jump up and down screaming "Its my right, its my right." Brian, if you can't make your point without basing it on "inventions", then your point is not made. I never said anything about "Its my right" --- that's pure "invention" on the part of you and "Mel A. Nomah" whoever that ignorant twit is. Signs his post "Avery", a screen name favored by another regular here. All of that aside, your comment about "mooching" displays a profound lack of understanding about who owns the GPS satelite galaxy. (DOS Hint: The DoD doesn't "own" anything. The GPS system was built and is maintained with appropriated tax funds, not DoD "earnings".) Sunuvagun! 3s, de Hans, K0HB |
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote "Respect the rank even if you don't respect the person wearing it"...?!?! Oh I have utmost respect for the Office. That's why it's so painful to see it filled by an idiot. 3s, de Hans, K0HB |
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote Too bad he got the largest popular vote of any president ever, huh...??? Even loser Kerry got more popular votes than any previous president in history, by a huge margin! So what? The popular vote is meaningless, otherwise Al ("I invented the internet") Gore would be President today. Shrub took 2.4% more votes than his leading opponent. I'm not very impressed --- it pales by comparison to the 18.2% trouncing that Ronnie Reagan laid on Jimmy Carter in 1984. In fact, ignoring his popular-vote loss in 2004, the 2.4% margin is the narrowest win going back all the way to 1976 when Jimmy Carter won by a similar narrow margin over Gerald Ford. Too bad, indeed! 3s, de Hans, K0HB |
"""It's ridiculous to think that the lack of GPS is the greater upper
arm than any other mechanism for our failure in the world. Above, you'll see references to the US banking system, the US stock market, the US workforce, the US companies that degrade our capabilities by putting people out of work. By the way, look at the lack of shortage for doctors, nurses, scientists, teachers, etc., that is being quickly ignored right now. THOSE--not GPS--are greater threats to our security from foreign measures and "forces." (Forces that don't wear uniforms).""" What failure in the world??? People are still flocking to our country to find a better life. As a matter of fact, the flocking is completely out of control. To be fair though, I have heard of a couple of gay couples fleeing to Canada to escape the "opression" in the USA. And you claim we have a shortage of doctors, nurses, scientists, teachers, etc, but it is not being ignored. Congress is constantly upping the legal immigration of those listed careers and ENGINEERS. And we educate untold thousands of foreigners each years so that they can return home and uplift their own countries, but then they stay here. Why is that if we're such a failure in the world? And this UN approval stuff??? Where does -that- come from? You think we need the approval of France or Syria? Good grief, you're watching too much TV, I guess. I agree that we've got some problems, but when haven't we? I think our hugest problem is: Illegal immigration driving down wages. Hell, legal immigration drives down wages, too. Our media is crying that we need to raise the minimum wage to ~?~ 7.00/hour. Why? That's a whopping $14, 560/year. Americans won't work for that little, as they can do absolutely nothing and get that much in welfare, food stamps, and medicaid. If they're even smarter, they've figured out how to be disabled and draw benefits. But illegal Mexican labor would be happy to take $7/hour. And that money goes to slum lords or it goes back across the border. Shut off the illegal labor, and those jobs will rise to $9 and $10/hour. That's when the American worker begins to get interested, and a working couple can hit $40K a year. There are even GI-bill like programs (without risking hide nor hair) that allows them home ownership with $0.00 down. As a side benefit to curbing illegal immigration is homeland security threat reduction, but we all know that's bogus and no one can harm America, right? Anyhow, welcome back to the group. |
Hans, you've made a declatory statement that reads exactly as I've
described it. If you've got a gripe with that, too bad. You've had ample opportunity to explain yourself. And the DoD earns nothing. It spends and provides the protection that our citizens, domestic and foreign corporations, and legal and illegal immigrants enjoy on a daily basis. The DoD performs one of the very few legal functions of government spelled out in the Constitution. You should complain about all of the other appropriated (tax) funds that our government ****es away. bb |
What's Jessie V. been doing lately? I'm sure that Minnisota had a good
reason for making him Governor, but the rest of the nations is still guessing on that one. |
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What's Jessie V. been doing lately? I'm sure that Minnisota had a good reason for making him Governor, but the rest of the nations is still guessing on that one. The casino Indians hired him to do attack commercials on Schwarzenegger and his stance on casino taxation in California. -- Jim Pennino Remove -spam-sux to reply. |
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What's Jessie V. been doing lately? I'm sure that Minnisota had a good reason for making him Governor.............. I have no idea what he's doing. Last heard, he was out in California. Funny you should bring him up though, because he shares a lot of traits with Shrub. Not overly bright, arrogant, smirks a lot, has a lackluster command of the English language, prone to exageration of the facts (inventing some as the need arises to advance his agenda), and pretty much the laughingstock of his peers governing other states. 3's, de Hans, K0HB |
"bb" wrote You've had ample opportunity to explain yourself. "Explain myself"?!?! My statement was simple and direct, requiring no explanation. Regarding the news story about Shrub ordering up plans to shut down GPS, I said this (no more, no less). "At first I thought it had to be an April Fool joke, but apparently The Shrub really IS that stupid!" You and "Avery" (not me) are the dufii who brought up cockeyed notions about "mooching" and "freeloading" and "shut down GPS for a day each year". You should complain about all of the other appropriated (tax) funds that our government ****es away. I didn't say the government was ****ing money away on GPS. In fact, we should compliment them on money well spent, resulting in a broad range of benefits to the taxpayers who paid for it. 3's, de Hans, K0HB |
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"bb" wrote You've had ample opportunity to explain yourself. "Explain myself"?!?! My statement was simple and direct, requiring no explanation. Regarding the news story about Shrub ordering up plans to shut down GPS, I said this (no more, no less). "At first I thought it had to be an April Fool joke, but apparently The Shrub really IS that stupid!" You and "Avery" (not me) are the dufii who brought up cockeyed notions about "mooching" and "freeloading" and "shut down GPS for a day each year". You should complain about all of the other appropriated (tax) funds that our government ****es away. I didn't say the government was ****ing money away on GPS. In fact, we should compliment them on money well spent, resulting in a broad range of benefits to the taxpayers who paid for it. 3's, de Hans, K0HB You idiots are argueing over a non-event blown all out of proportion by ignorarant media reporters. For the real story: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...1216space.html -- Jim Pennino Remove -spam-sux to reply. |
Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT!
From: "KØHB" Date: 12/23/2004 11:35 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "bb" wrote You've had ample opportunity to explain yourself. "Explain myself"?!?! My statement was simple and direct, requiring no explanation. Regarding the news story about Shrub ordering up plans to shut down GPS, I said this (no more, no less). "At first I thought it had to be an April Fool joke, but apparently The Shrub really IS that stupid!" Hans...You obviously did NOT read the story...or at least read it very well.... The intention to shut the net down in advent of war or attack was on the table in the EARLY 90's. That the President was reviewing that is nothing new. You and "Avery" (not me) are the dufii who brought up cockeyed notions about "mooching" and "freeloading" and "shut down GPS for a day each year". You should complain about all of the other appropriated (tax) funds that our government ****es away. I didn't say the government was ****ing money away on GPS. In fact, we should compliment them on money well spent, resulting in a broad range of benefits to the taxpayers who paid for it. Wasn't it Marx who said that it would be a Caplitalist who sold the rope to the Communist with which to hang him (the capitalist) with...??? Steve, K4YZ |
Steve Robeson K4YZ wrote:
Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT! From: "KØHB" Date: 12/23/2004 11:35 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "bb" wrote You've had ample opportunity to explain yourself. "Explain myself"?!?! My statement was simple and direct, requiring no explanation. Regarding the news story about Shrub ordering up plans to shut down GPS, I said this (no more, no less). "At first I thought it had to be an April Fool joke, but apparently The Shrub really IS that stupid!" Hans...You obviously did NOT read the story...or at least read it very well.... The intention to shut the net down in advent of war or attack was on the table in the EARLY 90's. That the President was reviewing that is nothing new. You and "Avery" (not me) are the dufii who brought up cockeyed notions about "mooching" and "freeloading" and "shut down GPS for a day each year". You should complain about all of the other appropriated (tax) funds that our government ****es away. I didn't say the government was ****ing money away on GPS. In fact, we should compliment them on money well spent, resulting in a broad range of benefits to the taxpayers who paid for it. Wasn't it Marx who said that it would be a Caplitalist who sold the rope to the Communist with which to hang him (the capitalist) with...??? Almost, Steve. I believe it was Nikita Kruschev once said: "The last capitalist will sell me the rope with which to hang his mother." I forget where I got the reference. Some television show a long time ago. - Mike KB3EIA - |
K=D8HB wrote: The popular vote is meaningless, otherwise Al ("I invented the internet") Gore would be President today. Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT!
From: Date: 12/24/2004 10:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: .com K=D8HB wrote: The popular vote is meaningless, otherwise Al ("I invented the internet") Gore would be President today. Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! Nooooooooooooooooooo...He didn't "invent the Internet"...He just "took the Initiative" for it! Below are the first couple of paragraphs from the URL you provided, Jim. QUOTE: Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet. Status: False. Origins: No, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs are misleading distortions of something he said (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part): "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible for helping to create the environment (in an economic and legislative sense) that fostered the development of the Internet. UNQUOTE The author of this "debunking urban legends" article should be spanked for having the temerity to state "Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way." The very quote he provided said EXACTLY that! "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." That was the SAME Algore who stood in the Capitol Building and didn't recognize George Washington's bust...and THAT was on videotape! Had Al Gore gotten elected and the same September 11th events transpired, he would have had us paying restitution to the families of the hijackers! Sheeeeeesh! Steve, K4YZ |
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote Hans jumped at the opportunity to sling untrue epithets the Presidents way Which were "untrue"? Specific examples please. Show your work. 3's, de Hans, K0HB |
Jimmy Who? First the basics. You need to introduce yourself to the
group and give your callsign before you start calling us idiots. And what is your position with respect to Morse Code testing? Thanks, bb |
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Jimmy Who? First the basics. You need to introduce yourself to the group and give your callsign before you start calling us idiots. And what is your position with respect to Morse Code testing? Thanks, bb Assuming you are addressing me, it is a trivial exercise to look up a call sign given a name. My position on Morse code testing has been the same since 1963, also a trivial exercise in research. -- Jim Pennino Remove -spam-sux to reply. |
It would appear that much about Jimmy Who is trivial.
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It would appear that much about Jimmy Who is trivial. As are most of the "discussions" on this newgroup. -- Jim Pennino Remove -spam-sux to reply. |
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Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT!
From: "KØHB" Date: 12/24/2004 11:22 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote Hans jumped at the opportunity to sling untrue epithets the Presidents way Which were "untrue"? Specific examples please. Show your work. The work was yours, Hans. Your thinly veiled attempt to disparge the President with your "Shrub" and "idiot shutting down GPS" rant. He's not about to shut down GPS. Steve, K4YZ |
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2 large onions bell pepper celery garlic ½ cup red wine 3 Irish potatoes 2 large carrots This is a simple classic stew that makes natural gravy, thus it does not have to be thickened. Brown the meat quickly in very hot oil, remove and set aside. Brown the onions, celery, pepper and garlic. De-glaze with wine, return meat to the pan and season well. Stew on low fire adding small amounts of water and seasoning as necessary. After at least half an hour, add the carrots and potatoes, and simmer till root vegetables break with a fork. Cook a fresh pot of long grained white rice. Pre-mie Pot Pie When working with prematurely delivered newborns (or chicken) use sherry; red wine with beef (buy steak or roast, do not pre-boil). Pie crust (see index) Whole fresh pre-mie; eviscerated, head, hands and feet removed Onions, bell pepper, celery ½ cup wine Root vegetables of choice (turnips, carrots, potatoes, etc) cubed Make a crust from scratch - or go shamefully to the frozen food section of your favorite grocery and select 2 high quality pie crusts (you will need one for the top also). Boil the prepared delicacy until the meat starts to come off the bones. Remove, de-bone and cube; continue to reduce the broth. Brown the onions, peppers and celery. Add the meat then season, continue browning. De-glaze with sherry, add the reduced broth. Finally, put in the root vegetables and simmer for 15 minutes. Allow to cool slightly. Place the pie pan in 375 degree oven for a few minutes so bottom crust is not soggy, reduce oven to 325. Fill the pie with stew, place top crust and with a fork, seal the crusts together |
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Robeson K4YZ) writes: Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT! From: Date: 12/24/2004 10:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: .com K=D8HB wrote: The popular vote is meaningless, otherwise Al ("I invented the internet") Gore would be President today. Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! Nooooooooooooooooooo...He didn't "invent the Internet"...He just "took the Initiative" for it! That's right! And as the snopes item shows, *that* claim was an exaggeration. Al Gore *was* involved in setting up the legislation that made the internet as we know it possible. That's not the same thing as *inventing* it, and he didn't do it singlehanded. Below are the first couple of paragraphs from the URL you provided, Jim. Now who's editorializing? Anyone can follow the link. ;-) QUOTE: Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet. Status: False. Origins: No, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs are misleading distortions of something he said (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part): "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible for helping to create the environment (in an economic and legislative sense) that fostered the development of the Internet. UNQUOTE The author of this "debunking urban legends" article should be spanked for having the temerity to state "Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way." "should be spanked"? Are you advocating physical violence against that author? The very quote he provided said EXACTLY that! Nope. The word 'invented' was never used. Yet Al Gore is often quoted as saying that exact word, which he didn't. "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." And he did. He and a whole committee of others. That was the SAME Algore who stood in the Capitol Building and didn't recognize George Washington's bust...and THAT was on videotape! How about Shrub's reference to "the internets"? Had Al Gore gotten elected and the same September 11th events transpired, he would have had us paying restitution to the families of the hijackers! That's pure....nonsense. I think you're trying to get me to use an eight-letter word meaning bovine excrement. Because that's what your last statement is. Sheeeeeesh! The plain and simple fact is that Al Gore never claimed to have "invented the internet". "Invention" denote an original technical activity, such as "inventing the telephone" or "invented color television". Nobody with any understanding of English would write of the "invention of the Constitution" or "invented the modern civil rights movement". Hans wrote that Al Gore said "I invented the Internet" as if it were a direct quote. That was a mistake, pure and simple, as the snopes site proves. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote Hans wrote that Al Gore said "I invented the Internet" as if it were a direct quote. That was a mistake, pure and simple, as the snopes site proves. Naw, it was a deliberate traiterous attempt to show my lack of regard for him, but he's not the sitting (or standing) VP so at least Robeson and Burke can't accuse me of supporting spammers and phishers and other scoundrels in time of internet war. 73, de Hans ("I invented Billy Beeper"), K0HB |
Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT!
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 12/26/2004 8:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT! From: Date: 12/24/2004 10:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: .com K=D8HB wrote: The popular vote is meaningless, otherwise Al ("I invented the internet") Gore would be President today. Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm BBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! Nooooooooooooooooooo...He didn't "invent the Internet"...He just "took the Initiative" for it! That's right! And as the snopes item shows, *that* claim was an exaggeration. Almost everything that comes out of Algore's mouth is an exaggeration, Jim. Haven't you stopped and asked yourself why Algore was not able to carry his home state in his election, and why not even the most aggressive of campaigning by the Dems in a traditionally Dem state couldn't turn out the votes for Kerry...????? Al Gore *was* involved in setting up the legislation that made the internet as we know it possible. That's not the same thing as *inventing* it, and he didn't do it singlehanded. Of course he didn't do it "singlehandedly"... But go back and read the "Snopes" article. All of his references are first-person exclusive. NO WHERE did he say "I was part of a committee...", nor did he give credit to anyone EXCEPT Algore. Below are the first couple of paragraphs from the URL you provided, Jim. Now who's editorializing? Anyone can follow the link. Then perhaps you should, and perhaps you should have some discussions with an English teacher about the content and context of the item cited, Jim. QUOTE: Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet. Status: False. Origins: No, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs are misleading distortions of something he said (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part): "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible for helping to create the environment (in an economic and legislative sense) that fostered the development of the Internet. UNQUOTE The author of this "debunking urban legends" article should be spanked for having the temerity to state "Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way." "should be spanked"? Are you advocating physical violence against that author? The very quote he provided said EXACTLY that! Nope. The word 'invented' was never used. Yet Al Gore is often quoted as saying that exact word, which he didn't. "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." And he did. He and a whole committee of others. I am glad YOU realize it was "....a whole committee of others".... Because Algore didn't. That was the SAME Algore who stood in the Capitol Building and didn't recognize George Washington's bust...and THAT was on videotape! How about Shrub's reference to "the internets"? Had Al Gore gotten elected and the same September 11th events transpired, he would have had us paying restitution to the families of the hijackers! That's pure....nonsense. No, it's not. Algore would have immediately started making apologies to the families of the hijackers, expressing his regret that previous US policy had created the mindset that the hijackers had, and here...please...take this token of our regret... I think you're trying to get me to use an eight-letter word meaning bovine excrement. Because that's what your last statement is. No, It's not. And glad to see you are exercising some of that education...Now that wasn't so hard afterall, was it...???? Sheeeeeesh! The plain and simple fact is that Al Gore never claimed to have "invented the internet". "Invention" denote an original technical activity, such as "inventing the telephone" or "invented color television". Nobody with any understanding of English would write of the "invention of the Constitution" or "invented the modern civil rights movement". Hans wrote that Al Gore said "I invented the Internet" as if it were a direct quote. That was a mistake, pure and simple, as the snopes site proves. So...we can substitue "I took the initiative..." for "I invented..." In either case it still insinuates that Algore was solely responsible for the proliferation of the Internet...either expression still being wrong. Steve, K4YZ |
"""Seems like I'm held to one standard, and "F$^% off" Cheney is held
to another.""" Jim, you set your own standards regardless of what others think. For a guy who kept clipping "K5TIT" out of his posts you sure have come up with some winners lately. Did you ever notice that Len and I stopped referring to you as "Reverend Jim?" There was a reason for that. Your facade of friendliness has worn through and the angry Democrat has taken over. So say hey to Al Franken and Ray Suarez for me. And by the way, I can send Morse Code faster than Dianne Rheems can speak English. Best of Luck in the New Year. bb |
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote in message
... YOU don't work for the president. Hans did. I did. Steve? Are you referring to the military service of many men and women? They don't "work" for the President, even in figurative terms. They work for the defense of the United States of America--that means the *people*. Literally and figuratively. Don't you agree with that? What I am saying, is that I find it embarrassing that two gentlemen of supposed education and respectability can't express themselves with more dignity and professionalism. But, you don't mean that dignity and professionalism would have to mean that one would say they respect and agree with a President (or anyone else, for that matter), correct? What does his academic achievements or lack of have to do with YOUR use of profanity or conduct in a open forum, Jim? Oh, I see...somewhere along the way someone has used some sort of *GASP* bad word, and now that is what this thread is all about. Well, Hell, then, I'm out of it... :p 73/88, Steve! Kim W5TIT |
Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...NOT!
From: "Kim" Date: 12/27/2004 6:46 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote in message ... YOU don't work for the president. Hans did. I did. Steve? Are you referring to the military service of many men and women? They don't "work" for the President, even in figurative terms. They work for the defense of the United States of America--that means the *people*. Literally and figuratively. Don't you agree with that? Nope. "The people" are not in direct control of the Armed Forces. The President, SecDef, the JCS, and a string of General Officers, on down to the platoon commanders, are. Congress, hence "the people" has definite control over long term decisons the above named persons make, however all it takes is the right "word" from any of them to move those troopers as needed, the "people's" immediate consent or dissent notwithstanding. What I am saying, is that I find it embarrassing that two gentlemen of supposed education and respectability can't express themselves with more dignity and professionalism. But, you don't mean that dignity and professionalism would have to mean that one would say they respect and agree with a President (or anyone else, for that matter), correct? What does his academic achievements or lack of have to do with YOUR use of profanity or conduct in a open forum, Jim? Oh, I see...somewhere along the way someone has used some sort of *GASP* bad word, and now that is what this thread is all about. Well, Hell, then, I'm out of it... Just trying to poke a very large stick into the ribs of those who at once decry my aggressive stance with Lennie, Brian, et al, but then go right on ahead and help lower that denominator themsleves, seemingly impervious to the same criticism. Good to "see ya", Kim! 88 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: K0HB Supports Common Sense...YES!
From: "bb" Date: 12/26/2004 5:55 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: .com And by the way, I can send Morse Code faster than Dianne Rheems can speak English. I give...who is "Dainne Rheems"...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
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