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December 27th 04, 06:12 PM
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K4YZ wrote: N2EY wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: Subject: Problem for boaters and APRS? From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 12/21/2004 4:30 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: Subject: Problem for boaters and APRS? From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 12/20/2004 6:21 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4YZ) writes: Snipped... I think you want to avoid the hard facts, Steve. No, Jim...I just don't need the editorializing of past events. We know why Social Security was created... What I wrote wasn't about why SS was created, but about why it could be in trouble in the future. And as Hans, K0HB has pointed out, the 800 pound gorilla problem is the borrowing of money from the SS trust fund. Such borrowing is fine unless and until it's not paid back. I don't think FDR ever imagined it being *******ized such as it has. How is SS *******ized? FDR's New Deal, like the Constitution, wasn't meant to be a static unchanging entity. He said so himself - if a program didn't work, it was to be changed or eliminated. Jim, we are there already. We are where? Jim, is there some underlying reason why you feel it necessary to insult me like this? I didn't mean to insult you, Steve, I just didn't know what you meant. I am waist deep, on a daily basis, with people who are products of entitlement programs gone wild, all of it at the expense of "Social Security". In the past 72 hours at my ER alone FIVE people generated 12 "emergency room" visits for complaints ranging from "headaches", to "chronic back pain", to "weakness" induced by alcohol. One of those five people has FORTY TWO visits to the ED since January 1st. I've got $10 riding on her making it to 50 before 2359 on 31 December. The pot is up to a couple hundred bucks already. One of the five has 28 visits since Janaury 1st. Wanna bet he makes it to 30? Mr 28 and one of the others made their arrivals via EMS. Both of Mr 28's visits were chauffered per the county. Again paid for by SSI/Medicare. Mr. 28 is under 40 and "disabled" due an injury that, oddly, prevents him from "working", but not from riding motorcycles, drinking, and otherwise dissapating that check in a hurry. So what you've got are people who manipulate the system and use the ER for things that should be cared for by a primary care physician - or just good ol' common sense. How do we fix the problem? Shut down all entitlements because some people abuse them? Think I am exaggerating or making this up? Not at all! You are most cordially invited to join me any weekend that I work and spend the evening. You've got my e mail address...drop me a line. I'll set it up. What percentage of ER visits would you estimate are legitimate, and what percentage are manipulations of the system? Social Security and it's ancilliary programs such as SSI and AFDC actually promote single parent households You mean because the benefits for two single people are greater than those of a married couple? I agree 100%. Note that the income taxes a married couple pay when both work are greater than the sum of the income taxes of two single working people making the same money and living together. and perpetuate drug seeking behaviour. How? Since any healthcare facility that accepts Medicare/Medicaid must also accept their rules, these "patients" are allowed to continue these abuses almost unabated. Why "work" when all they have to do is get pregnant, get "the check" coming, and then their "insurance card" follows...Nice deal. Or find an MD who will certify them as "disabled"...There's a whole Cottage Industry of trial lawyers who jump a the chance to help these poor souls get thier checks rolling in. The recipients will get "back pay" checks going back to the first day they filed an applcation for "benefits". The backpay can be as much as $12K to $20K once the lawyers play with it for a while since these negotiations can go on for a couple of years. (Which begs to ask how is it they managed to get along without the monies!) I agree that they are all abuses of the system. But how do we fix them? Do we just shut down SS? By the way, YOU are paying for it. I've been paying for it longer than you, Steve ;-) Furthermore, any healthcare facility that accepts federal entitlement payees (and 95% of all facilites must, if they want to "do business") must also accept federal regulations...Not a bad idea you say? Federal rules are the reason most hospitals must charge $2.00 for a Tylenol and $20 for a simple gauze dressing from people with "real" insurance. Medicare says "we will pay you "this much" and you WILL accept it, sorry if it's not enough to cover your real expenses... It's called "cost shifting". The people who pay don't just pay for themselves, they pay for those who don't pay anything. Here in metro Philly, it is not too unusual for an addict in labor to show up at a major hospital. Delivery is complicated by many factors and baby has multiple problems, all traceable to substance abuse. Mom and baby get good medical care, probably saving both their lives - at a cost of a quarter million or so in medical costs alone. Then mom signs herself out AMA and abandons baby to the care of the state. Often baby leaves hospital by way of the morgue because the multiple problems are simply too much and too many. And in a year or two, if she's still alive, mom is back in the same or worse condition. And we all pay for it. Now - how do we fix it? So, Jim, please do NOT presume to ask me "where" we are in reference to the current state of Social Security... I see it every day. You're welcome to join me for a shift if you're really, REALLY prepared to leave mad... You are lumping all entitlement programs together, as if they're all the same. They're not. It's clear that *some* people manipulate and abuse the systems. They obviously need fixing. But how do we fix them? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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