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January 15th 05, 06:30 PM

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

all that learned talk of economics, socio-political whatsit out...

This all relates to amateur radio in a very basic way:

Unfortunately, it does NOT.

Yes it does! ;-)

All it points out is that you are using
this newsgroup as a general chat room to talk about ANY subject
instead of focussing on amateur radio policy.

I think you don't like the fact that it does relate.

The abuses mentioned by Steve and I are all the result of a mindset that
focuses on "rights" to the exclusion of *responsibilites*. Many of us see
proposed reductions in the standards of the ARS as a form of that mindset.

Many of "you" want to enforce your personal desires on everyone
else

You mean by supporting continued code testing for an amateur radio license?

If so, then what's the problem? Your demands that the code test be removed mean
that *you* "want to enforce your personal desires on everyone else"

and think "you" are some kind of Keepers of a Covenant (of
some imagined god-inspired "service").

Not at all, Len. We simply think that dropping the code test would be a
lowering of standards.

Is there something wrong with that?

All because you met some
test requirements long ago, established by other Keepers of an even
older Covenant and are firm Believers in the Church of St. Hiram.

You sure do pontificate on other's motivations.

As usual, you olde-tymers are caught in the territorial imperative
emotionalism of a personal activity and want to enforce your
personal mindsets on all others.

What's your suggestion, Len?

Should amateur radio become like cb? You were a cber, once. You said it was a
lot of fun. Are you still a cber? Or did that service stop being fun for you?

You've told us about your home and how much it is worth and how close you are
to a gated community of homes costing much more. Would you like it if someone
wanted to change the zoning in ways that might make your property less
valuable, reduce your enjoyment of it, etc.? I bet you would be caught in a
territorial imperative emotionalism of a personal activity and want to enforce
your
personal mindset on others.

Not a good thing since the FCC
is not chartered by law to be a reflection on "your" personal desires
nor in the maintenance of a living museum of amateur radio antiquity.

That's *your* mindset speaking

Insofar as radio regulations go, the "ARS" does not stand for
Archaic Radiotelegrphy Service.

Then why do you use the term?

Removal of the morse test does
NOT "dumb anything down"

That's not what I wrote.

I wrote that it would lower the standards. And it would.

Besides, amateurs *do* use Morse Code extensively. Therefore, it makes sense
for a test of basic Morse Code skill to be part of license qualifications.

It's really that simple.

but rather makes the amateur hobby
more open,

In case you didn't notice, Len, there's been a no-code-test class of amateur
radio license here in the USA for almost 14 years.

freeing it from all the tight confines of an imagined
"amateur profession" with all the rigid, inflexible standards and
practices that date back to seven decades ago.

Where do you get that, Len? Do you think hams stopped using Morse Code seven
decades ago? You're wrong about that.

"You" don't own anything but your own radio equipment in amateur
radio.

Never claimed to. But that's more than you own ;-)

What I and other amateurs *do* have is something to lose. If changes in the
rules mess up amateur radio, then we have lost something. Do you think we
don't have the right to preserve what we think is valuable?

"You" do not have any "power" to prevent non-amateurs from
communicating with their government on federal laws and regulations.

That's right. Nor has anyone I know of tried to do that. You can spam ECFS all
you want, Len. That's the right of *every* interested party.

OTOH, I'm not the one telling others to "shut the hell up, you little USMC
feldwebel". You are.

"You" olde-tymers have no claim over others on "rights" or anything
else.

What does that mean? Are you telling me to shut up?

Try to conduct yourself appropriately when faced with reality.

Whose "reality", Len? You mean your opinions and mindset, that you want to
impose on everyone else?

Here's a clue: *Everyone* has a right to their opinions. And a right to express
their opinions. That means you - and me. That means folks who are oldtimers and
newcomers, "servers" and "nonservers", licensed and not licensed, etc.

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