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No anticipated changes in Morse Requirement for a while
I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code
licensing requirements before 2006. Is ther eanyone that has deferred getting a General or baove license because they thought Element one was going to go away soon? If so, Has it been worth the wait? - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote:
I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code licensing requirements before 2006. Is ther eanyone that has deferred getting a General or above license because they thought Element one was going to go away soon? If so, Has it been worth the wait? Way back when (in 1976) I learned around 7 WPM and passed a 5WPM code test down at an FCC field office. And I'm not that good at such tasks. Took about 6 weeks to learn the code to 7WPM. So you can start today on the code, and probably be able to pass the code test and have the upgrade or first license of general or extra grade and get on HF. And you'll have it 2 months from now instead of a year or more from now. HF is a lot of fun, and is quite different from 2 meter FM. So, like that sneaker company that paid the basketball superstar more than their entire payroll of their Vietnam factory, "Just do it". |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code licensing requirements before 2006. Where did you see that, Mike? I hope it's true. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Barry OGrady wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:56:32 -0500, Mike Coslo wrote: I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code licensing requirements before 2006. Is ther eanyone that has deferred getting a General or baove license because they thought Element one was going to go away soon? I have the equivalent of a full call without having done any morse. Good for you, mate. How does the FCC regulate Amateur access in your country? What is a baove license? Gotta have Morse for a baove license, spelling monitor! If so, Has it been worth the wait? - Mike KB3EIA - -Barry ======== "I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him." [A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)] Good quote, that! - Mike KB3EIA - |
robert casey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code licensing requirements before 2006. Is ther eanyone that has deferred getting a General or above license because they thought Element one was going to go away soon? If so, Has it been worth the wait? Way back when (in 1976) I learned around 7 WPM and passed a 5WPM code test down at an FCC field office. And I'm not that good at such tasks. Took about 6 weeks to learn the code to 7WPM. So you can start today on the code, and probably be able to pass the code test and have the upgrade or first license of general or extra grade and get on HF. And you'll have it 2 months from now instead of a year or more from now. HF is a lot of fun, and is quite different from 2 meter FM. So, like that sneaker company that paid the basketball superstar more than their entire payroll of their Vietnam factory, "Just do it". I've been trying to get that message out for some time now. When I first became a Ham in 1999, there were some that told me to hang on because the Morse requirement was going away soon. Over 5 years later, and nothing has changed. If I would have waited until it goes away, I would be waiting at least 7 years, and I wouldn't take bets on it going away even then. What I *would* make bets on is that the anticipated "instant elimination* thinking that was going around since the treaty requirement went away have done more to dampen the ranks of new advanced level hams than the retention of Morse code. Yup, Just DO it! - Mike KB3EIA - |
N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code licensing requirements before 2006. Where did you see that, Mike? http://www.arrl.org/?news_list_off=15 I hope it's true. I want the situation to stabilize. In a world where the testing requirements are in a state of flux - and it is a given that the testing regimin is likely to get easier, not more difficult - many people will take the path of least resistance and wait until requirements are dropped. That is *if* they are dropped. But as I noted, there is always *someone* to say that the element one test is going to be eliminated "any day now"... - Mike KB3EIA - |
Len Over 21 wrote:
So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again? Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again. Does my posting offend? - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again? Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again. My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-) So has this ridiculous "necessity" of amateur radio to pass a morse test in order to "qualify" for HF privileges for over a half century. A mere 51 years I did not even have to pass any special test to operate an HF transmitter outputting more power than any ham is supposed to have (in 1953 that was 15 KW from the old Press Wireless transmitters, went to 40 KW with the Collins rigs of 1955). No morse test needed. Didn't even have the MOS for Fixed Station Transmitters, was MOS for microwave radio relay. But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services) require morsemanship testing. Does my posting offend? No, not me personally. I AM "offended" by the self-righteous hams who insist (and some demand) that the morse test MUST remain as if it is some kind of importance to "the service." This is the new millennium, not some olde-tyme raddio where the "operators" sit around with eye shades and sleeve garters while keying their bugs and sideswipers and thinking they are Very Important or something. Amateur radio is a HOBBY activity. Always was, and probably always will be since the rest of the world can jolly well get on with life without all those amateur hobbyists to Save The Planet from whatever. If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of the ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service" for the USA. |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code licensing requirements before 2006. Where did you see that, Mike? http://www.arrl.org/?news_list_off=15 Well, they've been right about it so far. Way back in 2003 they said "at least two years" which seemed incredible at the time. Many of us thought they'd just dump Element 1 by MO&O (if that's the right acronym) in a few weeks/months. There were even several petitions to that effect. But it's pretty clear that FCC is going the whole NPRM route, and in no big hurry to do so. I hope it's true. I want the situation to stabilize. In a world where the testing requirements are in a state of flux - and it is a given that the testing regimin is likely to get easier, not more difficult - many people will take the path of least resistance and wait until requirements are dropped. I think a few people will. Just as some people will wait until an item drops below a certain price before they'll buy one, or replace the one they've got. However I don't think there are large numbers of people waiting for Element 1 to go away before they get their amateur licenses. That is *if* they are dropped. But as I noted, there is always *someone* to say that the element one test is going to be eliminated "any day now"... It's been a year and a half since WRC 2003 and there's no change in sight. NPRM cycles are long enough that it's very reasonable to expect no action until 2006. So once again, ARRL news is right on the money. Of course there are always a noisy few who will say they're going to get a ham license, but who never seem to get the proverbial round tuit. I recall one very regular poster here who told us, way back in January 2000, that he was going for Extra "right out of the box". He just didn't say *when*. Shall we continue to lower the standards of the ARS to accomodate such people? I say no. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again? Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again. My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-) Okay, good enough. So has this ridiculous "necessity" of amateur radio to pass a morse test in order to "qualify" for HF privileges for over a half century. A mere 51 years I did not even have to pass any special test to operate an HF transmitter outputting more power than any ham is supposed to have (in 1953 that was 15 KW from the old Press Wireless transmitters, went to 40 KW with the Collins rigs of 1955). No morse test needed. Didn't even have the MOS for Fixed Station Transmitters, was MOS for microwave radio relay. Did you just walk in off the street and operate the transmitters with no instruction, training, or supervision? But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services) require morsemanship testing. Yes, that is pretty much the case. Does my posting offend? No, not me personally. I AM "offended" by the self-righteous hams who insist (and some demand) that the morse test MUST remain as if it is some kind of importance to "the service." That isn't me though. If and when the requirement goes away, I'll go on like before. Some Hams think *everything* is the death of Ham radio. I think it is creeping cronyism, the ability of middle aged and up males to become incredibly angry with small things, and to make giant leaps of connectivity between things. My whole point is that if you want to be a Ham with HF access at this time, that is a hoop you have to jump through. This is the new millennium, not some olde-tyme raddio where the "operators" sit around with eye shades and sleeve garters while keying their bugs and sideswipers and thinking they are Very Important or something. I always liked that look! 8^) Amateur radio is a HOBBY activity. Always was, and probably always will be since the rest of the world can jolly well get on with life without all those amateur hobbyists to Save The Planet from whatever. If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of the ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service" for the USA. No need to fixate on the Morse code test. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I see that the FCC is not anticipating any changes in the Morse code licensing requirements before 2006. Where did you see that, Mike? http://www.arrl.org/?news_list_off=15 Well, they've been right about it so far. Way back in 2003 they said "at least two years" which seemed incredible at the time. Many of us thought they'd just dump Element 1 by MO&O (if that's the right acronym) in a few weeks/months. There were even several petitions to that effect. But it's pretty clear that FCC is going the whole NPRM route, and in no big hurry to do so. I hope it's true. I want the situation to stabilize. In a world where the testing requirements are in a state of flux - and it is a given that the testing regimin is likely to get easier, not more difficult - many people will take the path of least resistance and wait until requirements are dropped. I think a few people will. Just as some people will wait until an item drops below a certain price before they'll buy one, or replace the one they've got. Status quo MUST be held as long as possible...? :-) Why? However I don't think there are large numbers of people waiting for Element 1 to go away before they get their amateur licenses. The only ones who've claimed "large numbers" is the ARRL in their regular propaganda "news." :-) Actually, in the hobby activities in the USA, amateur radio is NOT very high on the list. That's reality, despite all the self-interest of the very ardent ham fanatics. That is *if* they are dropped. But as I noted, there is always *someone* to say that the element one test is going to be eliminated "any day now"... It's been a year and a half since WRC 2003 and there's no change in sight. NPRM cycles are long enough that it's very reasonable to expect no action until 2006. So once again, ARRL news is right on the money. If the ARRL says it, it MUST be true. :-) Belief system is working well, we see... Of course there are always a noisy few who will say they're going to get a ham license, but who never seem to get the proverbial round tuit. I recall one very regular poster here who told us, way back in January 2000, that he was going for Extra "right out of the box". He just didn't say *when*. Shall we continue to lower the standards of the ARS to accomodate such people? I say no. Of course not...morsemanship is the very HIGHEST attainable goal in radio amateurism. All MUST aspire to be the best "radio operator" circa 1930s era if they are amateurs. And with very rigid, inflexible rules of behavior as if the hobby were a sort of profession where all rules MUST be followed. Removing the morse test is a 1930-standards "dumbing down." Can't have that! Time is held in stasis in amateurism and all must remain as it was when all the superextras took Their tests. It has no validity in this new millennium. After all, when the morse test is eliminated, all those superextras won't have much to brag about, will they? :-) |
On 29 Dec 2004 20:54:28 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:
snip I'm just another human male who has accumulated a fairly large experience in radio-electronics, spending an entire working career in the electronics industry as well as enjoying a hobby of electronics for a period longer than having to work at it for a living. An ordinary human male lucky enough to be married to my high school sweetheart and with a comfortable (though not great) income, no longer having to get up and go to work 6 days a week for any of that. No mortgage, no outstanding liens on property. Not bad! In fact, that's a pretty good definition of personal success - achievement of all of the things that really matter. (and the high school sweetheart too?? Icing on the cake!) I'm catching up fast - in the meantime, though, I'm a bit jealous :) snip 73, Leo |
Limiting HF access to CW learned hams limits the flack the FCC gets over BPL. Typical ploy of those in the know. Steve N2UBP |
Lennie said:
After all, when the morse test is eliminated, all those superextras won't have much to brag about, will they? I will...I will have been a licensed Amateur Radio Operator 30 + x years longer than you have, Lennie...That will ALWAYS make it worth it! Steve, K4YZ |
Len Over 21 wrote:
But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services) require morsemanship testing. Since you opened the door, let's do some further comparisons of the ARS to other services: * We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't * We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't * We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down * We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do * We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't * We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't * We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't * We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't * We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't * We can build our own equipment, they can't * We operate for the fun of it, they don't * We have radio club meetings, they don't * We can ragchew for hours, they can't * We can operate at will, they can't * We go on DXpeditions, they don't * We're licensed, you're not No 73 for you, Jeff KH6O -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System |
"Jeffrey Herman" wrote
: : * We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't : * We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't : * We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down : * We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do : * We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't : * We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't : * We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't : * We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't : * We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't : * We can build our own equipment, they can't : * We operate for the fun of it, they don't : * We have radio club meetings, they don't : * We can ragchew for hours, they can't : * We can operate at will, they can't : * We go on DXpeditions, they don't : * We're licensed, you're not : With the exception of the first and the last item, everything you list can also be claimed by freebanders as part of their hobby. Do the math, chief lecturer, 14-out-of-16 ain't too shabby. |
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:04:05 GMT, Mel A. Nomah wrote:
With the exception of the first and the last item, everything you list can also be claimed by freebanders as part of their hobby. Do the math, chief lecturer, 14-out-of-16 ain't too shabby. "Freebanding" is criminal violation of the law. Lawbreakers can do whatever they want - until caught. You know that, I know that, everyone else here knows that. Good troll..... -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:04:05 GMT, Mel A. Nomah wrote:
With the exception of the first and the last item, everything you list can also be claimed by freebanders as part of their hobby. Do the math, chief lecturer, 14-out-of-16 ain't too shabby. Mel, don't compare the ARS with those federal criminals who call them- selves "freebanders." Those lawbreakers don't even give a second thought to operating on the HF aeronautical frequencies, intentionally interfering with transoceanic aircraft comms. Certainly you don't condone such actions, right? No 73 for you, either. Jeff KH6O -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System |
Jeffrey Herman wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote: But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services) require morsemanship testing. Since you opened the door, let's do some further comparisons of the ARS to other services: * We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't * We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't * We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down * We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do * We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't * We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't * We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't * We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't * We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't * We can build our own equipment, they can't * We operate for the fun of it, they don't * We have radio club meetings, they don't * We can ragchew for hours, they can't * We can operate at will, they can't * We go on DXpeditions, they don't * We're licensed, you're not No 73 for you, Jeff KH6O Wow, that was a good one, Jeff! - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mel A. Nomah wrote:
"Jeffrey Herman" wrote : : * We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't : * We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't : * We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down : * We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do : * We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't : * We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't : * We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't : * We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't : * We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't : * We can build our own equipment, they can't : * We operate for the fun of it, they don't : * We have radio club meetings, they don't : * We can ragchew for hours, they can't : * We can operate at will, they can't : * We go on DXpeditions, they don't : * We're licensed, you're not : With the exception of the first and the last item, everything you list can also be claimed by freebanders as part of their hobby. Do the math, chief lecturer, 14-out-of-16 ain't too shabby. Right, the Freebanders can just substitute: * We're criminals, you're not. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , Leo
writes: On 29 Dec 2004 20:54:28 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: snip I'm just another human male who has accumulated a fairly large experience in radio-electronics, spending an entire working career in the electronics industry as well as enjoying a hobby of electronics for a period longer than having to work at it for a living. An ordinary human male lucky enough to be married to my high school sweetheart and with a comfortable (though not great) income, no longer having to get up and go to work 6 days a week for any of that. No mortgage, no outstanding liens on property. Not bad! In fact, that's a pretty good definition of personal success - achievement of all of the things that really matter. (and the high school sweetheart too?? Icing on the cake!) That was fun when we went to our Big 50th high school reunion of the Class of 1951. There was a four-decade no-contact period between high school graduation and later. I would tell you more but that is impossible in this particular private chat room supposedly about amateur radio policy matters. I'm catching up fast - in the meantime, though, I'm a bit jealous :) Don't be. All anyone needs to do is hang around the planet for a while, plan in advance, and luck out... :-) |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again? Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again. My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-) Okay, good enough. "Good enough?" :-) So has this ridiculous "necessity" of amateur radio to pass a morse test in order to "qualify" for HF privileges for over a half century. A mere 51 years I did not even have to pass any special test to operate an HF transmitter outputting more power than any ham is supposed to have (in 1953 that was 15 KW from the old Press Wireless transmitters, went to 40 KW with the Collins rigs of 1955). No morse test needed. Didn't even have the MOS for Fixed Station Transmitters, was MOS for microwave radio relay. Did you just walk in off the street and operate the transmitters with no instruction, training, or supervision? There were no "streets" on Tsukishima Island in Tokyo in the 1950s. Those were eventually put in when both the USA and USAF vacated the island by the 1960s. We didn't "walk in" either since the billet was a half hour shuttle bus trip from the transmitter station prior to assignment. Seven months of Signal School were completed in Fort Monmouth...but that was only on very basics of HF receivers-transmitters since the majority of that MOS's school was on microwave radio relay and most of those were using pulse code modulation (principally pulse-position modulation). The intended microwave radio relay system hadn't arrived yet and would not be there until the next year...and the only schooling we got was a super-condensed two-week formal course taught by the two General Electric field engineers stuck in their civilian assignment. [Army Signal Office didn't give the commercial GE equipment a military designation until 1955] The Korean War had interrupted a few more permanent installation intentions and this was one of them. When IN the military, one does what one is told to do. Period. You either know your basics or you don't. If you don't you get re-assigned and the re-assignment is not negotiable. So, us microwave types got less than a one day of informal instruction, some real hands-on training by the NCOIC (Non-Commissioned Officer In Charge) and left the rest up to the "trick chief" (team supervisor, usually E-5, and there were four teams on a rotating schedule). Gene Rosenbaum, N2JTV, was assigned there about a month before I was and assigned to another team, same duties. There really isn't a lot of smarts necessary to tune up a 1940s era transmitter, whether 1 KW or 15 KW. All the finals were tube type and it was "dip the plate, peak the grid" kind of thing after peaking the driver stages. Always, always, always remember to neutralize that final...all of which seemed to be push-pull power triode things. We had an 833 bottle on a stand at the central control console where failure to neutralize on a QSY caused plate overheating which in turn softened the glass envelope until air pushed in and caused all the overload relay and breakers in that transmitter to trip. Radio circuit went dead and such outage is a definite NO-NO when the assignment is to maintain communications 24/7. Transmitters, per se, were not the complicated things to operate besides being 7 feet tall with lethal voltages inside. The FSK exciters for the RTTY radio circuits needed to be fine-tuned even though they had quartz crystal control. That proceedure needed the distant receiver site to tune up on the carrier and send a zero beat over the telephone circuit, then apply Fox Test keying and adjust the "spread" or Space frequency for as close to 850 cycles as possible (carrier zero beat was on Mark frequency) using an ears-only audio beat with a standard 850 cycle loudspeaker tone. Receivers frequency standards would then measure everything again and put it on the order-wire (dedicated TTY loop) shared with us and Control. If Control liked the numbers, they would remove the Fox Test and put "traffic" on it...if not, they would ask all to do it again. We rarely repeated anything. Each team would do anywhere from 6 to 12 QSYs per shift (approximate) on the RTTY circuits. We also had preset-tuned SSB transmitters which QSYed in a minute, replacing the most cranky of SSB stuff designed before WW2. A full QSY, from order-wire notification to frequency standards okay, took 3 to 4 minutes with RTTY. At the Tuskushima Island site, primary AC power depended on commercial Japanese 50-cycle input. That tended to be erratic and at least one power outage happened each week. When that happened, the single power man in the diesel generator wing had to get at least 350 KWe supplied and the team on duty had to check out every single "up" transmitter all over again. Frequency standards went into a tizzy because they had to check out every single frequency to make sure it was where it was supposed to be. That meant an average of 30 different radio circuits with 30 different carriers and different modulations. Control had to hop and tell the torn tape relay crew to reset all the p-tapes on the transmitting distributors...which involved at least a 100 different TTY p-tape machines. A mere 5-minute outage would result in losing over two hours total traffic capability. NOT good...but we didn't get chewed for something not our fault. The newer Kashiwa site had its own 600 KWe generators and we were spared those damn power outages. NONE of what I described was taught in Signal School, not even for Field Radio MOSs (which required morsemanship ability even if it wasn't used in the field in Korea). It could all be "taught" by laying hands on the working equipment and doing it like the sergeants described how to do it. If anyone knew more than basics of electronics/radio, they got up- graded, perhaps transferred to the VHF and UHF radio relay which used frequency-multiplexed audio handling 4 voice channels per radio circuit. None of that was taught to microwave MOSs so we learned how on-the-job, verbally and by the TMs (Technical Manuals) which were excellent then on giving theory of How Things Work from a practical operations perspaective. Those of us who kept our minds open, willing to learn, had a wonderful opportunity to see how the Big Time in communications of the 1950s operated and stayed operating. When the TTY traffic is 220,000 messages a month, it IS the big time...and the station I was assigned to was only the 3rd largest in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN). No, we didn't just "walk in from the street" and start in. We were told what to do by those who actually did it, and most of those would explain more detail and theory if one really showed an interest. After three years on that assignment I had a wonderful crash course in real HF radio plus the beginning of microwaves and wound up an E-5 doing some of the explaining of procedure and theory behind it all. Wouldn't have missed it for the world, even with the threat of WW3 hanging around for everyone to get nervous about. But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services) require morsemanship testing. Yes, that is pretty much the case. WHY is that? There's no real reason for keeping that old test in there. All that morse test satisfies is the egos of the olde-tyme hammes who will never have to take another morse test in their lives (if they renew on-time). THEY had to do it so everyone else MUST do so. Ptui. My whole point is that if you want to be a Ham with HF access at this time, that is a hoop you have to jump through. Fine. Be a lemming or sheep. I'm just advocating a change in the radio regulations. Without any personal needs, desires, or ego. I don't need any Titles or Status or a bunch of alphanumerics to "sign behind or in front of my name. Been there, done that a long time ago, and a little while ago (early this year), all without any legal requirement to pass some morse test. If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of the ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service" for the USA. No need to fixate on the Morse code test. Then why DO you? Why do you wish to CONTROL newcomers by keeping that morse test? Folks will think you have a Hoop Holder complex, somebody trying to be a guru or knowitall about "radio." If someone LIKES morse code operations, fine say I let them do their thing. But, to keep on enforcing an antiquated regulation necessity about taking a morse test is, to me, downright stupid. There's lots more to amateur radio than trying to recreate the 1920s and 1930s "pioneering days" by keeping old, out-of-date tests. Happy New Year on this last day of the 4th year into the new millennium... |
Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again? Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again. My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-) Okay, good enough. "Good enough?" :-) Good enough, indeed! I wonder what Mikes "war" contributions were? So has this ridiculous "necessity" of amateur radio to pass a morse test in order to "qualify" for HF privileges for over a half century. A mere 51 years I did not even have to pass any special test to operate an HF transmitter outputting more power than any ham is supposed to have (in 1953 that was 15 KW from the old Press Wireless transmitters, went to 40 KW with the Collins rigs of 1955). No morse test needed. Didn't even have the MOS for Fixed Station Transmitters, was MOS for microwave radio relay. Did you just walk in off the street and operate the transmitters with no instruction, training, or supervision? There were no "streets" on Tsukishima Island in Tokyo in the 1950s. Those were eventually put in when both the USA and USAF vacated the island by the 1960s. Damned USAF. Always trying to find a civilized way to do sumptin. We didn't "walk in" either since the billet was a half hour shuttle bus trip from the transmitter station prior to assignment. Shush! We'll have none of this no point A, point B nonsense. Transmitting sites are always wherever you happen to be. Seven months of Signal School were completed in Fort Monmouth...but that was only on very basics of HF receivers-transmitters since the majority of that MOS's school was on microwave radio relay and most of those were using pulse code modulation (principally pulse-position modulation). Len, dammit, none of this pulse crappola. It was either CW or it was RTTY. Doan confuse us widda facts. The intended microwave radio relay system hadn't arrived yet and would not be there until the next year...and the only schooling we got was a super-condensed two-week formal course taught by the two General Electric field engineers stuck in their civilian assignment. [Army Signal Office didn't give the commercial GE equipment a military designation until 1955] The Korean War had interrupted a few more permanent installation intentions and this was one of them. When IN the military, one does what one is told to do. Period. You either know your basics or you don't. If you don't you get re-assigned and the re-assignment is not negotiable. So, us microwave types got less than a one day of informal instruction, some real hands-on training by the NCOIC (Non-Commissioned Officer In Charge) and left the rest up to the "trick chief" (team supervisor, usually E-5, and there were four teams on a rotating schedule). Gene Rosenbaum, N2JTV, was assigned there about a month before I was and assigned to another team, same duties. There really isn't a lot of smarts necessary to tune up a 1940s era transmitter, whether 1 KW or 15 KW. All the finals were tube type and it was "dip the plate, peak the grid" kind of thing after peaking the driver stages. Always, always, always remember to neutralize that final...all of which seemed to be push-pull power triode things. We had an 833 bottle on a stand at the central control console where failure to neutralize on a QSY caused plate overheating which in turn softened the glass envelope until air pushed in and caused all the overload relay and breakers in that transmitter to trip. Radio circuit went dead and such outage is a definite NO-NO when the assignment is to maintain communications 24/7. Transmitters, per se, were not the complicated things to operate besides being 7 feet tall with lethal voltages inside. The FSK exciters for the RTTY radio circuits needed to be fine-tuned even though they had quartz crystal control. That proceedure needed the distant receiver site to tune up on the carrier and send a zero beat over the telephone circuit, then apply Fox Test keying and adjust the "spread" or Space frequency for as close to 850 cycles as possible (carrier zero beat was on Mark frequency) using an ears-only audio beat with a standard 850 cycle loudspeaker tone. Receivers frequency standards would then measure everything again and put it on the order-wire (dedicated TTY loop) shared with us and Control. If Control liked the numbers, they would remove the Fox Test and put "traffic" on it...if not, they would ask all to do it again. We rarely repeated anything. Each team would do anywhere from 6 to 12 QSYs per shift (approximate) on the RTTY circuits. We also had preset-tuned SSB transmitters which QSYed in a minute, replacing the most cranky of SSB stuff designed before WW2. A full QSY, from order-wire notification to frequency standards okay, took 3 to 4 minutes with RTTY. At the Tuskushima Island site, primary AC power depended on commercial Japanese 50-cycle input. That tended to be erratic and at least one power outage happened each week. When that happened, the single power man in the diesel generator wing had to get at least 350 KWe supplied and the team on duty had to check out every single "up" transmitter all over again. Frequency standards went into a tizzy because they had to check out every single frequency to make sure it was where it was supposed to be. That meant an average of 30 different radio circuits with 30 different carriers and different modulations. Control had to hop and tell the torn tape relay crew to reset all the p-tapes on the transmitting distributors...which involved at least a 100 different TTY p-tape machines. A mere 5-minute outage would result in losing over two hours total traffic capability. NOT good...but we didn't get chewed for something not our fault. The newer Kashiwa site had its own 600 KWe generators and we were spared those damn power outages. NONE of what I described was taught in Signal School, not even for Field Radio MOSs (which required morsemanship ability even if it wasn't used in the field in Korea). It could all be "taught" by laying hands on the working equipment and doing it like the sergeants described how to do it. If anyone knew more than basics of electronics/radio, they got up- graded, perhaps transferred to the VHF and UHF radio relay which used frequency-multiplexed audio handling 4 voice channels per radio circuit. None of that was taught to microwave MOSs so we learned how on-the-job, verbally and by the TMs (Technical Manuals) which were excellent then on giving theory of How Things Work from a practical operations perspaective. Those of us who kept our minds open, willing to learn, had a wonderful opportunity to see how the Big Time in communications of the 1950s operated and stayed operating. When the TTY traffic is 220,000 messages a month, it IS the big time...and the station I was assigned to was only the 3rd largest in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN). No, we didn't just "walk in from the street" and start in. We were told what to do by those who actually did it, and most of those would explain more detail and theory if one really showed an interest. After three years on that assignment I had a wonderful crash course in real HF radio plus the beginning of microwaves and wound up an E-5 doing some of the explaining of procedure and theory behind it all. Wouldn't have missed it for the world, even with the threat of WW3 hanging around for everyone to get nervous about. Stoppit, dammit, stoppit!!! I'm just sick and tired of you tellin' it like it was. The truth doan count for sh*t aroun here anyways! Now if you have a magazine like QST to relate real radio stories, well then there might be sum dat lissen. Guys like Jimmy Who dat doan know sh*t about real commitment, real sacrifice. Only know about ENG101 and if the government loans are going through. Forget about Fuchu and DaNang. They gots more important tings to do so dey can tell us about how it really was. But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. Sadly true. Gotta makesure you not Taliban. No other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services) require morsemanship testing. Yes, that is pretty much the case. Taliban welcome to FAA license. WHY is that? There's no real reason for keeping that old test in there. All that morse test satisfies is the egos of the olde-tyme hammes who will never have to take another morse test in their lives (if they renew on-time). THEY had to do it so everyone else MUST do so. Ptui. Hey, Mister!!! If the Taliban can master the Morris Code, so can you. Only then are you worthy to wageth war on the hypocphyphal. My whole point is that if you want to be a Ham with HF access at this time, that is a hoop you have to jump through. Wonder if our Twin-Trade Tower Terrs were accomplished codesters? Fine. Be a lemming or sheep. I'm just advocating a change in the radio regulations. Without any personal needs, desires, or ego. I don't need any Titles or Status or a bunch of alphanumerics to "sign behind or in front of my name. Been there, done that a long time ago, and a little while ago (early this year), all without any legal requirement to pass some morse test. If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of the ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service" for the USA. Thot it was the Ars? No need to fixate on the Morse code test. Then why DO you? indeed? Why do you wish to CONTROL newcomers by keeping that morse test? Folks will think you have a Hoop Holder complex, somebody trying to be a guru or knowitall about "radio." If someone LIKES morse code operations, fine say I let them do their thing. But, to keep on enforcing an antiquated regulation necessity about taking a morse test is, to me, downright stupid. There's lots more to amateur radio than trying to recreate the 1920s and 1930s "pioneering days" by keeping old, out-of-date tests. Happy New Year on this last day of the 4th year into the new millennium... On this last day of the 4th year of the new millenium, I can only add, "didit!" All of the rest of amateur radio should be embarassed. bb/N0iMD |
Jeffrey Herman wrote: Len Over 21 wrote: But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services) require morsemanship testing. Since you opened the door, let's do some further comparisons of the ARS to other services: * We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't Wonder where the sales figures are WRT amplifiers? * We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't Name the last antenna measuring conest that you were at? * We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down Name the last commercially comms that were down that you stood in for. * We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do Absolutely no one has to operate on any designated frequency when an emergency is taking place. Thought you were a ham an knew that. * We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't BFD * We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't No we can't. * We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't They could. * We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't You assume too much. Way too much. * We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't They swap yachts. You swap mailboxes so's you can collect sall signs. Idiot. * We can build our own equipment, they can't Why can't they? * We operate for the fun of it, they don't Liar. * We have radio club meetings, they don't Liar. * We can ragchew for hours, they can't Liar. * We can operate at will, they can't Liar. * We go on DXpeditions, they don't Liar. * We're licensed, you're not Liar. No 73 for you, Jeff KH6O -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System CPO MailBoxIdiot is our first line of defense? God help us. |
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Mel A. Nomah wrote: "Jeffrey Herman" wrote : : * We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't : * We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't : * We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down : * We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do : * We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't : * We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't : * We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't : * We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't : * We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't : * We can build our own equipment, they can't : * We operate for the fun of it, they don't : * We have radio club meetings, they don't : * We can ragchew for hours, they can't : * We can operate at will, they can't : * We go on DXpeditions, they don't : * We're licensed, you're not : With the exception of the first and the last item, everything you list can also be claimed by freebanders as part of their hobby. Do the math, chief lecturer, 14-out-of-16 ain't too shabby. Jeff doan know the diff betw 14 and 16. Either age is legal for marryin where he's from. |
Steve, for whatever cosmic you and I have gotten along for the past
couple of weeks. But it isn't for the behavio[u]r that you've just exhibited. Is there any chance in hell that you and Len can find some common ground? Dances with Wolves and all that? Private email is good for this. Thanks, bb |
No it don't. And you ain't in the know.
Tnx for playin. bb |
In article , (Jeffrey Herman)
writes: Len Over 21 wrote: But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. No other radio service (other than certain Maritime radio services) require morsemanship testing. Since you opened the door, let's do some further comparisons of the ARS to other services: * We purposely operate using as little power as possible (QRP), they don't Heh heh heh. Crock of something. All one has to do is listen to the HF bands during contests and observe the S-Meter readings. Tsk. The military has built-in "QRP" (equivalent) controls to HF through UHF transceivers and has done so since at least 1989. * We have antenna measuring contests with home-built antennas, they don't Most other radio services use already-measured antennas with professional installations plus more measurements after installations. No "contests" needed. :-) * We conduct emergency comms when other services are down, they're down Another crock. Tsk. You should see some of the urban emergency services' communications facilities, their training plans, listen to their on-air exercises and drills. Better yet, live through a real, live emergency and see how the entire network can operate with "work-arounds." Case in point: The 1994 Northridge Earthquake in Los Angeles where all the public safety and utility companies' were "netted" together to keep things going. The only thing "down" was buildings, poles, etc., but the emergency power was there and working...even though the primary AC power to 10 million was cut off for hours. * We don't have to operate on pre-assigned frequencies, they do Tsk. Ham repeaters "operate on pre-assigned frequencies." :-) * We have on-the-air contests (lots of them), they can't "They can't?!?" Why should "they?" * We can vary our power from 0 to 2KW, they can't Please, make a QSO with 0 KW RF output. I dare ya. :-) * We exchange post cards after a QSO, they don't Wow! [a big Ben Stein "wow..."] Post cards from the edge? :-) I know of no non-amateur radio licensee who has a "QSL Buro." * We're frequency-agile with a VFO, they aren't Not all of you. A few of you "own" a frequency. :-) * We have swapmeets ("ham fests"), they don't Non-ham licensees have NO NEED of "ham fests." :-) * We can build our own equipment, they can't Untrue, even in broadcasting service. Get details on studio electronics in broadcasting sometime. The major reason that there's so little "homebuilding" with other (non-ham) radio services is CO$T. Cheaper to buy ready-made than to homebrew. * We operate for the fun of it, they don't First thing you've written that is close to the truth... * We have radio club meetings, they don't WRONG. The very first radio club is the Radio Club of America, incorporated 1909 (five years before the ARRL and before every other local/national radio club here). RCA is still alive and meeting but they've gone away from amateurism. They have a website with lots of informative, historical data there. * We can ragchew for hours, they can't You don't listen to "Talk Radio" do you? :-) Tsk. Almost every radio service (other than broadcasting) has a form of "ragchewing," including the military. * We can operate at will, they can't As long as you don't operate ON Will, it's okay...unless you are an MD. You can operate WITH a Will if you are an attorney. :-) * We go on DXpeditions, they don't Cook and Magellan had amateur radio licenses? Columbus? Vasco de Gama? Hams "discover" the undiscovered country? I don't think so. * We're licensed, you're not WRONG! I have several licenses. :-) I just don't have an amateur radio license. I could show you my poetic license ability but then I'd have to bill you for services. :-) No 73 for you, Jeff KH6O Tsk. No "best regards?" Not even an "88?" :-) Lecture on those numbers, sweetums. Close your classroom door on the way out. Bye.... |
As a football star sed when asked about all the restrictions placed on the
players Well you get on with what you have to get on with and win football games Same applies to all facets of life I suppose. Just get on with the Morse code and win HF privileges Doesn't make any difference whether the code is outdated or whatever -- it is the requirement -- Caveat Lector Someone wrote: NONE of your itmes in this artificial "comparison" can justify the continuation of the morse code test for U.S. amateur radio licenses. |
In article .com, "bb"
writes: Lenof21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: So...now you've got this "instant gratification" thing going again? Yes sir! Just like you have your thing going again. My "thing" has been "going" all the while...no problems. :-) Okay, good enough. "Good enough?" :-) Good enough, indeed! I wonder what Mikes "war" contributions were? A few cents pocket change into a Salvation ARMY bucket? :-) There were no "streets" on Tsukishima Island in Tokyo in the 1950s. Those were eventually put in when both the USA and USAF vacated the island by the 1960s. Damned USAF. Always trying to find a civilized way to do sumptin. Well, the 16th Communications Squadron on the other half of Tsukishima Island lived there full time. Eventually even those hardy souls went looking for better places to exist. We didn't "walk in" either since the billet was a half hour shuttle bus trip from the transmitter station prior to assignment. Shush! We'll have none of this no point A, point B nonsense. Sorry. Scotty hadn't installed the Transporter yet. :-) Transmitting sites are always wherever you happen to be. Heh. When tossing out about 450 KW of assorted HF RF, ain't too many others wanting to live in that vicinity. Len, dammit, none of this pulse crappola. It was either CW or it was RTTY. Doan confuse us widda facts. Well, that's how it goes. Radar be a pulse thingy. [somehow I'm sure that Jeffie from the Islands will try to claim that Hawaii pioneered radar to spot invading Japanese aircraft...and that every fire and police station has a radar set just for that... :-) ] Police departments in the USA helped pioneer mobile VHF FM prior to WW2, enough so that land armor forces had "channelized" push-button select VHF FM radios in Yurp and foot soldiers had the old walkie- talkie backpack VHF transceiver. FM. Voice. Like 1943 and out of the Chicago Motorola works. SSB, the commercial variety of 12 KHz BW carrying 4 voice-grade channels, was already linking WW2 troops via HF to the mainland...the old clankety 60 WPM Teletypes riding about 8 at a time on 6 KHz worth of that SSB. Kind of "double frequency multiplexing" which had been going on since the beginning of the 1930s. [hams pioneered all that by writing it up in QST, didn't they?] Wouldn't have missed it for the world, even with the threat of WW3 hanging around for everyone to get nervous about. Stoppit, dammit, stoppit!!! I'm just sick and tired of you tellin' it like it was. The truth doan count for sh*t aroun here anyways! Seems to be the truth, doesn't it? :-) Now if you have a magazine like QST to relate real radio stories, well then there might be sum dat lissen. Well, we can always vacation in Hawaii and drop in any police and fire station...they all have ham stations according to Jeffie and MUST have old copies of QST lying around. Guys like Jimmy Who dat doan know sh*t about real commitment, real sacrifice. Only know about ENG101 and if the government loans are going through. Forget about Fuchu and DaNang. They gots more important tings to do so dey can tell us about how it really was. They are Very Important People. They say so themselves, are without error. They know "Real truth." But, in 2004, U.S. radio amateurs MUST still pass a morse test to "qualify" for operating an amateur radio transmitter on HF. Sadly true. Gotta makesure you not Taliban. Screening. Profiling. Those who no code test have "no interest" in radio according to one such "profiler." :-) Taliban welcome to FAA license. Who else but FAA approved, certified, qualified, sanctified USA flight schools taught the 9-11 hijackers how to fly? Hey, Mister!!! If the Taliban can master the Morris Code, so can you. I suppose so. But, not wanting to bother shows that I am "un-interested" in radio (one profiler) or am "too dumb" to pass one (many others), and generally morally incompetent to exist in the shining presence of mighty macho morsemen. Wonder if our Twin-Trade Tower Terrs were accomplished codesters? Doubt it. Several U.S. government agencies allowed them in and to attend flight schools here. Didn't hear about any secret terrorist plans to wipe out any CW radio museums. If that morse test is so absolutely "needed," then the definition of the ARS should be changed in Part 97 to "Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service" for the USA. Thot it was the Ars? Ars longa. On this last day of the 4th year of the new millenium, I can only add, "didit!" All of the rest of amateur radio should be embarassed. |
In article , (Jeffrey Herman)
writes: It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's yet it's still an "interstate." Ooooo...going to lecture me about my local geography? :-) Try Interstate FIVE as an illustration...begins at the Canadian border goes all the way south through Washington, Oregon, California, ends at the Mexican border. Over a kilomile long, takes two days to drive at lawful speeds. Been there, done that, many times. Gee, if I wanted a LECTURE on highways, I'd go to the AAA website of my local auto club office...they give out free maps to us members. The semester begin tomorrow -- I'll be teaching a calculus class at the university campus (which is not a "junior college"), 8:30-9:20 MWF, Keller Hall room 403. The class is full but I'll let you register, if you think you can handle the class. Oh, wow.... (a big Ben Stein "wowwww....") So awfully nice of you, Mr. Petty Chief Ossifer. I'll just go on down to the nearest ATM, withdraw a few thousand, cross the I-5 over to Bob Hope Airport and fly over to the Islands...JUST...for the "pleasure" of hearing you "lecture" on The Calculus! Oh frabjous joy... Go back and read my complete post, paying attention to the phrase "...technical best seller." Go for it! "TECHNICAL" best seller! What year? And who was the compiler of that gem of information? [was it a bookstore in Newington?] You might try the ABA or some other book industry associations first to verify some nonsense claim. Or take off your blinders. Whichever is easiest. I've only been USING technical books since 1960 and my first job assignment as an electronics engineer responsible for new design. The Green Bible, the Blue Bible, Millman & Taub, Henney, Petersen and Weldon, Floyd Gardner, lots of names which are very familiar in my small 30+ foot total length personal bookshelf right above the immediate computer desk here. Since I already write for money and know several authors (who work at that full time) plus book store owners-managers, I have some acquaintenceship with the professional book associations. Now, if you wish to LECTURE me on "best sellers" of anything, I will invite you to pass gas on a shuttle flight ("go take a flying fart") between islands. === I think you ought to get back to verifying the claim that the Islands have ham stations at every police and fire station...or whatever you wrote. [if you also "lecture" in English, somebody rated you wrong] You might remind the state government to update their web pages to show those gems of information...or is that "sensitive" info for certain people's eyes only? :-) Riiiight...I can just see a Billion-dollar tourist industry "relying" on ham radio in Times of Troubles to keep their many lines of communications going during all those natural disasters that beset the Islands all the time. Riiiight...and there's no military on the Islands other than the USCG...not even the USARPAC with their Army callsign ADA. :-) Accusing me of lying? Are you sure you want to commit libel? Accuse a MATHEMATICS LECTURER of lying? Heavens no! Let's just say you don' know no bettah, blalah. :-) I wouldn't do such terrible things to a kind soul who got a Rhode Island ham his own "FCC mailing address" in Hawaii. By the way, how is Mike Deignan? Still busy with all those "ham clubs" he had callsigns for? Don't take any wooden pineapples... |
Although his gross errors vis-a-vis radio regulations have been
out there for a week now, Lennie can't seem time to retract his error and apologize for it, like a MAN would. However he DOES have time to gin-up yet another diversion AROUND it. Leonard H. Anderson is a liar. Leonard H. Anderson is not trustworthy. Steve, K4YZ Len of 21 wrote: In article , (Jeffrey Herman) writes: It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's yet it's still an "interstate." Ooooo...going to lecture me about my local geography? He might as well. You've made errors on geography, topography, aerography, and a handful of OTHER -phy's before. Try Interstate FIVE as an illustration...begins at the Canadian border goes all the way south through Washington, Oregon, California, ends at the Mexican border. Over a kilomile long, takes two days to drive at lawful speeds. Been there, done that, many times. Moving those bales of grass to supplement that income, Lennie? Don't get caught! Gee, if I wanted a LECTURE on highways, I'd go to the AAA website of my local auto club office...they give out free maps to us members. I get FREE maps without ANY "membership" from MapQuest. Step-by-step instructions, if I wanted them. The semester begin tomorrow -- I'll be teaching a calculus class at the university campus (which is not a "junior college"), 8:30-9:20 MWF, Keller Hall room 403. The class is full but I'll let you register, if you think you can handle the class. Oh, wow.... (a big Ben Stein "wowwww....") I am sure YOU make Ben Stein look like a hula dancer. So awfully nice of you, Mr. Petty Chief Ossifer. Ahhhhhhhhh! There's MORE of that "I respect veterans" stuff Lennie's always bragging on hisself about!~ He BRAGS about it...doesn't do it... I'll just go on down to the nearest ATM, withdraw a few thousand, cross the I-5 over to Bob Hope Airport and fly over to the Islands...JUST...for the "pleasure" of hearing you "lecture" on The Calculus! Oh frabjous joy... A few thousand...?!?! Sheesh, Lennie...even I can get to and back from Hawaii for less than ONE thousand, and still have a couple bucks for a decent night's lodgings and local cuisine. What's YOUR problem? Go back and read my complete post, paying attention to the phrase "...technical best seller." Go for it! "TECHNICAL" best seller! What year? And who was the compiler of that gem of information? [was it a bookstore in Newington?] You might try the ABA or some other book industry associations first to verify some nonsense claim. Or take off your blinders. Whichever is easiest. I can gaurantee you the name on the book is NOT "Leonard H. Anderson!" An unknown. Not even recognized in his own peer-group, let alone the shelves of B.Dalton Bookseller or Barnes & Noble! Forced to "write" some dubiously original items for an Amateur Radio journal (since defunct) to get his name in print. Some "professional". I've only been USING technical books since 1960... WHOA THERE YOUR SCUMMINESS ! ! ! What happened to all those magnificent years as the World's Greatest Military Communicator! from 1953 to 1956...?!?! You just memorized all those manuals and never again opened one up...?!?! ....and my first job assignment as an electronics engineer responsible for new design. Lessee...YOU stated that you went to night school for 14 years to earn a degree. NO ONE is titled an "electronics engineer" without at LEAST an Bachelor's Degree. So...we have you in the Armed Forces from 1953 to 1956 (Active Duty). You've enthralled us with a litany of other petty jobs in that four year span from 56 to 60 before, NONE of which included enough college to get you a Bachelor's in ANY discipline, let alone electrical engineering. NOW you're insinuating that you were an "electrical engineer" in 1960...?!?! And one allegedly responsible for "new design"...?!?! The math and your previous rants don't add up, Putzman! The Green Bible, the Blue Bible, Millman & Taub, Henney, Petersen and Weldon, Floyd Gardner, lots of names which are very familiar in my small 30+ foot total length personal bookshelf right above the immediate computer desk here. Since I already write for money and know several authors (who work at that full time) plus book store owners-managers, I have some acquaintenceship with the professional book associations. I am sure you have many, many pretty books...You MIGHT even take them down once in a while to look a the pictures. Dust them off occassionally with Mrs Putzman's correspondence courses, no doubt? Now, if you wish to LECTURE me on "best sellers" of anything, I will invite you to pass gas on a shuttle flight ("go take a flying fart") between islands. More of that "professional respect" stuff that Lennie brags about. He doesn't DO it, mind you, but he DOES BRAG about it! I think you ought to get back to verifying the claim that the Islands have ham stations at every police and fire station...or whatever you wrote. [if you also "lecture" in English, somebody rated you wrong] "...or whatever you wrote". Uh huh. Trying to shoot from the hip again, Lennie...?!?! That only works in John Wayne movies, and YOU ain't John Wayne! You might remind the state government to update their web pages to show those gems of information...or is that "sensitive" info for certain people's eyes only? :-) Riiiight...I can just see a Billion-dollar tourist industry "relying" on ham radio in Times of Troubles to keep their many lines of communications going during all those natural disasters that beset the Islands all the time. Riiiight...and there's no military on the Islands other than the USCG...not even the USARPAC with their Army callsign ADA. Somehow you KNOW he had to work in a refrence to "ADA". Accusing me of lying? Are you sure you want to commit libel? Accuse a MATHEMATICS LECTURER of lying? Heavens no! Let's just say you don' know no bettah, blalah. So far, the one who doesn't "know no bettah"...is the ALLEGED "radio professional" who doesn't seem to know some very basic things about radio regulations. I wouldn't do such terrible things to a kind soul who got a Rhode Island ham his own "FCC mailing address" in Hawaii. By the way, how is Mike Deignan? Still busy with all those "ham clubs" he had callsigns for? One things for certain... You STILL don't have the basic requirements to be the control operator of ANY club station. Don't take any wooden pineapples... We WOULD, however, like to suggest you increase your daily intake of Geritol. Steve, K4YZ |
Len Over 21 wrote:
(Jeffrey Herman) writes: It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's yet it's still an "interstate." Ooooo...going to lecture me about my local geography? :-) You bet. You falsely claimed as fact that an interstate must connect two or more states, and I provided a counterexample proving you wrong. But instead of saying, "Thanks, Jeff, for correcting me", you try to run away from your error by taking us on a tour of I-5: Try Interstate FIVE as an illustration... One example is not enough to prove a proposition true, especially when a counterexample exists. I've noticed you do this a lot -- when a claim of your's has been proven false, instead of acknowledging your mistake, you attack the responder and go off on some unrelated tangent: begins at the Canadian border goes all the way south through Washington, Oregon, California, ends begins at the Canadian border goes all the way south through Washington, Oregon, California, ends at the Mexican border. Over a kilomile long, takes two days to drive at lawful speeds. Been there, done that, many times. And here comes the sarcastic remark: Gee, if I wanted a LECTURE on highways, I'd go to the AAA website of my local auto club office...they give out free maps to us members. You're too easy to predict. Also, it's not "your" local geography -- I grew up in San Clemente, fought wildland fires all over the Southland while on the SCFD and CDF, and currently own a home in Ventura County (VC property tax web site will verify that). Jeff KH6O -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System |
Len Over 21 wrote:
(Jeffrey Herman) writes: The semester begin tomorrow -- I'll be teaching a calculus class at the university campus (which is not a "junior college"), 8:30-9:20 MWF, Keller Hall room 403. The class is full but I'll let you register, if you think you can handle the class. Oh, wow.... (a big Ben Stein "wowwww....") There you go again. You make a false claim, then you're proven wrong (go to http://myuhportal.hawaii.edu to view all the classes I'm teaching this semester), yet instead of acknowledging your mistake, you attack the responder: So awfully nice of you, Mr. Petty Chief Ossifer. I'll just go on down to the nearest ATM, withdraw a few thousand, cross the I-5 over to Bob Hope Airport and fly over to the Islands...JUST...for the "pleasure" of hearing you "lecture" on The Calculus! Oh frabjous joy... Heck, I'll even set up an online course just for you, for free. I'd be interested in seeing if you could pass such a class. How about it, Len? Do you think you could handle calculus? We could post your homework and exam scores here on the NG to show everyone how smart you are. Jeff KH6O -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System |
Len Over 21 wrote:
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Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (Jeffrey Herman) writes: It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's yet it's still an "interstate." Ooooo...going to lecture me about my local geography? :-) Because everyone wants to be a geographer! At first, I just thought everyone wanted to be a weatherman, but no. They want the prize. |
"Jeffrey Herman" wrote in message
... : : Heck, I'll even set up an online course just for you, for free. I'd be : interested in seeing if you could pass such a class. How about it, Len? : Do you think you could handle calculus? We could post your homework and : exam scores here on the NG to show everyone how smart you are. : LenOver will spin-cycle awhile b4 answering. M.A.N. -- "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." - Voltaire |
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Nomah" writes: "Jeffrey Herman" wrote in message ... : Heck, I'll even set up an online course just for you, for free. I'd be : interested in seeing if you could pass such a class. How about it, Len? : Do you think you could handle calculus? We could post your homework and : exam scores here on the NG to show everyone how smart you are. LenOver will spin-cycle awhile b4 answering. Anonymous Man of Cancer, I answered that with the following post on 11 January 2005 - ====== In article , (Jeffrey Herman) writes: It's paid for with federal funds, thus it's part of the federal interstate highway system. It's no different from Interstate 405 in California: It begins in LA and ends in San Diego -- it never leaves the state yet it's yet it's still an "interstate." Ooooo...going to lecture me about my local geography? :-) Try Interstate FIVE as an illustration...begins at the Canadian border goes all the way south through Washington, Oregon, California, ends at the Mexican border. Over a kilomile long, takes two days to drive at lawful speeds. Been there, done that, many times. Gee, if I wanted a LECTURE on highways, I'd go to the AAA website of my local auto club office...they give out free maps to us members. The semester begin tomorrow -- I'll be teaching a calculus class at the university campus (which is not a "junior college"), 8:30-9:20 MWF, Keller Hall room 403. The class is full but I'll let you register, if you think you can handle the class. Oh, wow.... (a big Ben Stein "wowwww....") So awfully nice of you, Mr. Petty Chief Ossifer. I'll just go on down to the nearest ATM, withdraw a few thousand, cross the I-5 over to Bob Hope Airport and fly over to the Islands...JUST...for the "pleasure" of hearing you "lecture" on The Calculus! Oh frabjous joy... Go back and read my complete post, paying attention to the phrase "...technical best seller." Go for it! "TECHNICAL" best seller! What year? And who was the compiler of that gem of information? [was it a bookstore in Newington?] You might try the ABA or some other book industry associations first to verify some nonsense claim. Or take off your blinders. Whichever is easiest. I've only been USING technical books since 1960 and my first job assignment as an electronics engineer responsible for new design. The Green Bible, the Blue Bible, Millman & Taub, Henney, Petersen and Weldon, Floyd Gardner, lots of names which are very familiar in my small 30+ foot total length personal bookshelf right above the immediate computer desk here. Since I already write for money and know several authors (who work at that full time) plus book store owners-managers, I have some acquaintenceship with the professional book associations. Now, if you wish to LECTURE me on "best sellers" of anything, I will invite you to pass gas on a shuttle flight ("go take a flying fart") between islands. === I think you ought to get back to verifying the claim that the Islands have ham stations at every police and fire station...or whatever you wrote. [if you also "lecture" in English, somebody rated you wrong] You might remind the state government to update their web pages to show those gems of information...or is that "sensitive" info for certain people's eyes only? :-) Riiiight...I can just see a Billion-dollar tourist industry "relying" on ham radio in Times of Troubles to keep their many lines of communications going during all those natural disasters that beset the Islands all the time. Riiiight...and there's no military on the Islands other than the USCG...not even the USARPAC with their Army callsign ADA. :-) Accusing me of lying? Are you sure you want to commit libel? Accuse a MATHEMATICS LECTURER of lying? Heavens no! Let's just say you don' know no bettah, blalah. :-) I wouldn't do such terrible things to a kind soul who got a Rhode Island ham his own "FCC mailing address" in Hawaii. By the way, how is Mike Deignan? Still busy with all those "ham clubs" he had callsigns for? Don't take any wooden pineapples... ====== You should hope Jeffie has a computer course you can take to learn to download postings. Most kindest regards, Cancer Man |
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