In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Lenof21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

You never know what might happen.


Sorry, sweetums, I've seen what has already happened. So have
you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope.

Chicken and egg syndrome? Given the history of posters here, I
would
suspect that if you were to adopt a different strategy, there would be
some posts that would be provoking. However, if ignored, that stuff goes
away.

Given the "history of posters here," especially the PCTA extras,
your good idea is merely impractical bull****.

But that's what you post now. If changing your tactics didn't work,
you'd be no worse off than you are now.

PCTA extras all pretend to be "superior" and let everyone know it.

All licensed radio amateurs; Techs, Generals and Extras; are your
superiors in that they have been issued amateur radio licenses.

There you have it. In Poop Dave the 1st's idea of the radio
world, the amateurs are "superior" while the professionals
are "inferior."

That is
something you don't have. Ah, but I forgot--this is your week not to
desire such a license.

Tsk. There is NO requirement for newsgroup access to possess
an amateur radio license.

Tsk, tsk. There is NO requirement for access to the FCC requiring
an amateur radio license in order to comment on amateur radio
matters.

You make such fanciful imaginings, then pretend that whoever you
are trying to impugn really does what you say.


Then again, I suspect you enjoy things just the way they are. 8^)


You are WRONG.

Seriously? You don't enjoy tweaking people?

The "tweaking" is easy for me to do. Most of the postings I do
simply "write themselves." :-)

...and they have that look. :-) :-)

Poor baby. Never made much money writing for money?

Oh, that's RIGHT...you are an AMATEUR and don't desire to
make money! My apologies at forgetting your lofty, noble
attitudes...your attitude got hidden in all that "superiority."


You seem to forget that I've had a long career of working in electronics.
Electrons (in electronics) do NOT get influenced by human desires.

Have you noticed that your posts here have about the same effect upon
readers of r.r.a.p? Almost no one has been influenced by your human
desires as pertain to amateur radio.

Haven't you noticed that YOU are NOT winning any points in here,
heavenly fodder?

All you seem to be doing is being nasty to anyone who comments
about anything in here. :-)

The odd part of human nature is that the PCTA extras think that all
must follow Their rules, obey them, etc., and some get quite
fanciful in imagining the "motivations" of the NCTA.

One of more odd bits of human nature has you attributing beliefs to all
PCTA Extras as if we all had the exact same thoughts and experiences.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...not "EXACT," heavenly fodder. :-)

So another description of
what you are doing is that you are engaging in something that you hate
to do, in the interests of eliminating the Morse code test, in a Usenet
newsgroup?

Incorrect. Your speculation is nonsense.

You forget that many more readers follow what goes on in here.
They, too, can see/read the propaganda nonsense about the
nobility and efficacy of morse code and the alleged "necessity"
of the amateur radio morse code test. Those readers need a bit
of boost on the reasons AGAINST it. Myself and others have
presented opposing reasons for that code test.

Wow! Talk about speculation! How about it, lurking, never-posting
readers of r.r.a.p? Let us know if you support the self-appointed
advocate for morse code test removal of the group. Tell us if you
believe his method is effective. Let us hear if you have been swayed by
his posts.

You should really leave the polling to the ARRL. That would get
you biased results that would make you proud. :-)

Are you making some sort of Quixotic sacrifice in a Usenet
newsgroup in an attempt to eliminate Morse code testing?

No. If you will bother to read the 18 petitions at the FCC you
would see that it isn't some Cervantes fictional character
exercise...but, some of the proponents of the code test are
indeed human windmills whirling in dead air.

That's the same kind of charm you turned on for a couple of your
submissions to the Commission. Do you think your words swayed anyone
there or might they have thought you a crackpot?

Oooooo! You are now a PR Judge as well? :-)

Funny you should mention "crackpot" but then I guess it takes one
to think all his "enemies" are like that...

All the arguments are old and we've heard them a lot. From both sides.

Poor baby. You seem distressed. Or perhaps your lordship
wishes better entertainment?

Are you trying to sway him to accepting your view, Len? Do you think
your comment above has been effective?

Tsk. It's better than repeated calls of "Putz" on his person. :-)


Here is a suggestion for your lordship: Use your amateur radio
license and operate your mighty transceiver on the air instead of
accessing this newsgroup. Chat with other human beings (or what
passes for same).

Do you think your charm offensive is working, Leonard?

No, but then it isn't the blatently OFFENSIVE attitude you have...


Or, your lordship could take the lead and open up a real Chat Room
all about morse code on amateur radio and how wonderful it is and
that morsemanship should be done by all the "superior" beings. You
could develop a real following and become a Name in Chat Room
circles, get known, develop a "rep." Or even a website where you
could post "awards" given by the certificate makers and praise
yourself for being so damn good.

You're outdoing yourself. What panache! What skill!

Ah, but the words are TRUE...and that makes you ANGRY.

Well, word-wise, you are still an AMATEUR.


This is NOT a "Chat Room" for idle gossip and cracker-barrel
philosophy by a few regulars who have grown overly full of themselves.

You're a regular, Len.

I've been a regular Len since I was first named.

If my regularity isn't up to par, I just drop in here for some equivalent
Ex-Lax. Does the job every time. :-)

Even though they think they own the place (and can therefore dictate
who gets to sit in), they don't. True. They don't even when their
feathers get very ruffled by opposing opinions. (poor things...)

Do your feathers get ruffled by opposing opinions?

Don't have feathers, heavenly fodder.

If I did, it wouldn't bother me. THAT is what galls you, isn't it?

You should really see a health professional to have all that gall
removed.

They are stuffed and over-stuffed. Some go to
the bursting point. Two former PCTA extras in here may have
done just that. Other PCTA extras are expected to follow.

Your words about the dead are a tribute to your personal magnetism.

Tsk. I didn't say anything about the "dead."

If I would speak of the "dead" that would be a short form for
"dead-brained," that attribute of all those AMATEURS who insist
that the morse code test must be kept forever and ever.


Perhaps you should go to Church more often...such as to the
Church of St. Hiram, the patron saint of Newington. There you
could mass with other morsemen and celebrate the mode in
chorus with a heavenly choir. Wash your brain regularly lest all
the old, tired, trite cliches' fall out. By all means, exercise your
morsemanship regularly to be ready for the Second Coming of
Aliens so you can defeat them via morse code and thereby
Save the World. After all, you are "superior" through morse code.

Yes, Len, your people skills rival those of Carl. Yessir, you really
have Mike on the verge of changing his mind. I'm sure the throng of
lurkers is cheering wildly.

Tsk. Another bout of Nasties from the Dale Carneige drop-out.

"Carl" who? The pro in electronics who helped change S25.5 by
going to Geneva, Switzerland, for WRC-03? That "Carl" is also
an Amateur Extra. Trouble is, he is an NCTA and that REALLY
gets your robes flying, heavenly fodder.

Tsk, tsk, fewer and fewer are swearing by the words of ARRL and
rather swearing AT the code propaganda of the ARRL. You poor
self-righteous olde-tymers are soon going to lose your bragging
rights about morsemanship being essential to your self-important
rank/status/privilege in U.S. amateur radio.

NOBODY is kissing your ring, heavenly fodder. They aren't even
bothering to tell you to kiss their posterior either. One can't swear
effectively to so much QRM from the PCTA extra bull pen. Just
noise. Self-righteous noise about their nobility and devotion to some
imaginary "service." Tsk.

Len Anderson wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Lenof21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

You never know what might happen.


Sorry, sweetums, I've seen what has already happened. So have
you and everyone else accessing this newsgrope.

Chicken and egg syndrome? Given the history of posters here, I
would
suspect that if you were to adopt a different strategy, there would be
some posts that would be provoking. However, if ignored, that stuff goes
away.

Given the "history of posters here," especially the PCTA extras,
your good idea is merely impractical bull****.

But that's what you post now. If changing your tactics didn't work,
you'd be no worse off than you are now.

PCTA extras all pretend to be "superior" and let everyone know it.

All licensed radio amateurs; Techs, Generals and Extras; are your
superiors in that they have been issued amateur radio licenses.

There you have it. In Poop Dave the 1st's idea of the radio
world, the amateurs are "superior" while the professionals
are "inferior."

There you have it. Len misses a couple of key phrases. I didn't write
of the "radio world", Leonard. I wrote "licensed radio amateurs" and
"amateur radio licenses".

That is
something you don't have. Ah, but I forgot--this is your week not to
desire such a license.

Tsk. There is NO requirement for newsgroup access to possess
an amateur radio license.

You're correct. Your posts here are proof of that.

Tsk, tsk. There is NO requirement for access to the FCC requiring
an amateur radio license in order to comment on amateur radio
matters.

You've commented to the FCC.

You make such fanciful imaginings, then pretend that whoever you
are trying to impugn really does what you say.

Something like that, Leonard, old boy. I just imagine that you have no
amateur radio license and *poof*, it comes to pass--you really have no
amateur radio license.

Seriously? You don't enjoy tweaking people?

The "tweaking" is easy for me to do. Most of the postings I do
simply "write themselves." :-)

...and they have that look. :-) :-)

Poor baby. Never made much money writing for money?

What does that have to do with your output? You'd think a professional
writer would be embarrassed by some of the style and substance errors
you make.

Oh, that's RIGHT...you are an AMATEUR and don't desire to
make money!

How you drift! I enjoy making money, Leonard. I don't make money for
operating an amateur radio station. You're a former professional. You
can't make any money operating an amateur radio station. You see, we
have something in common. Do you have an amateur radio station?

My apologies at forgetting your lofty, noble
attitudes...your attitude got hidden in all that "superiority."

Apology accepted.

You seem to forget that I've had a long career of working in electronics.
Electrons (in electronics) do NOT get influenced by human desires.

Have you noticed that your posts here have about the same effect upon
readers of r.r.a.p? Almost no one has been influenced by your human
desires as pertain to amateur radio.

Haven't you noticed that YOU are NOT winning any points in here,
heavenly fodder?

No, I haven't.

All you seem to be doing is being nasty to anyone who comments
about anything in here. :-)

"Leo's" been commenting about "anything" in here recently. I'm not
"being nasty" to "Leo". Hans has commented about "anything" in here.
I'm not being nasty to Hans. Besides, you've admitted to "making
nasty". Aren't you being just a tad two-faced? :-) :-)

The odd part of human nature is that the PCTA extras think that all
must follow Their rules, obey them, etc., and some get quite
fanciful in imagining the "motivations" of the NCTA.

One of more odd bits of human nature has you attributing beliefs to all
PCTA Extras as if we all had the exact same thoughts and experiences.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...not "EXACT," heavenly fodder. :-)

There you have it, Foghorn.

Incorrect. Your speculation is nonsense.

You forget that many more readers follow what goes on in here.
They, too, can see/read the propaganda nonsense about the
nobility and efficacy of morse code and the alleged "necessity"
of the amateur radio morse code test. Those readers need a bit
of boost on the reasons AGAINST it. Myself and others have
presented opposing reasons for that code test.

Wow! Talk about speculation! How about it, lurking, never-posting
readers of r.r.a.p? Let us know if you support the self-appointed
advocate for morse code test removal of the group. Tell us if you
believe his method is effective. Let us hear if you have been swayed by
his posts.

You should really leave the polling to the ARRL. That would get
you biased results that would make you proud. :-)

Maybe you should explain why I should leave informal polling of an
internet newsgroup to the ARRL. I'm still waiting to view the
outpouring of support you receive from the lurker element here.

Are you making some sort of Quixotic sacrifice in a Usenet
newsgroup in an attempt to eliminate Morse code testing?

No. If you will bother to read the 18 petitions at the FCC you
would see that it isn't some Cervantes fictional character
exercise...but, some of the proponents of the code test are
indeed human windmills whirling in dead air.

That's the same kind of charm you turned on for a couple of your
submissions to the Commission. Do you think your words swayed anyone
there or might they have thought you a crackpot?

Oooooo! You are now a PR Judge as well? :-)

Yeah, and a pretty darned good one. :-) :-)

Funny you should mention "crackpot" but then I guess it takes one
to think all his "enemies" are like that...

Are you my enemy, Len? I believed you were just a run of the mill
crackpot.

All the arguments are old and we've heard them a lot. From both sides.

Poor baby. You seem distressed. Or perhaps your lordship
wishes better entertainment?

Are you trying to sway him to accepting your view, Len? Do you think
your comment above has been effective?

Tsk. It's better than repeated calls of "Putz" on his person. :-)

Sure is. I've seen no indication that Mike is a putz. :-)

Here is a suggestion for your lordship: Use your amateur radio
license and operate your mighty transceiver on the air instead of
accessing this newsgroup. Chat with other human beings (or what
passes for same).

Do you think your charm offensive is working, Leonard?

No, but then it isn't the blatently OFFENSIVE attitude you have...

There it is, an admission from you that your tactics don't work.

Or, your lordship could take the lead and open up a real Chat Room
all about morse code on amateur radio and how wonderful it is and
that morsemanship should be done by all the "superior" beings. You
could develop a real following and become a Name in Chat Room
circles, get known, develop a "rep." Or even a website where you
could post "awards" given by the certificate makers and praise
yourself for being so damn good.

You're outdoing yourself. What panache! What skill!

Ah, but the words are TRUE...and that makes you ANGRY.

Those words you wrote--they're true? Really? I'm angry? Really?
I'm awfully sorry, Len, they aren't true and I'm not angry.

Well, word-wise, you are still an AMATEUR.

Word-wise? Do you consider yourself a PROFESSIONAL, word-wise? :-)

This is NOT a "Chat Room" for idle gossip and cracker-barrel
philosophy by a few regulars who have grown overly full of themselves.

You're a regular, Len.

I've been a regular Len since I was first named.

Oh, I don't believe that. There's something that sets you apart from
any other Len I've ever encountered. That aside, you ARE a regular here
and you seem full of yourself and there's seemingly no end to your
homespun views of the motivations of others.

If my regularity isn't up to par, I just drop in here for some equivalent
Ex-Lax. Does the job every time. :-)

Apparently, it does not. :-)

Even though they think they own the place (and can therefore dictate
who gets to sit in), they don't. True. They don't even when their
feathers get very ruffled by opposing opinions. (poor things...)

Do your feathers get ruffled by opposing opinions?

Don't have feathers, heavenly fodder.

Then what makes you believe that others who post here have feathers?

If I did, it wouldn't bother me.

If you had feathers, it wouldn't bother me either.

THAT is what galls you, isn't it?

That you don't have feathers?

You should really see a health professional to have all that gall
removed.

Is this about the feathers thing?

They are stuffed and over-stuffed. Some go to
the bursting point. Two former PCTA extras in here may have
done just that. Other PCTA extras are expected to follow.

Your words about the dead are a tribute to your personal magnetism.

Tsk. I didn't say anything about the "dead."

Then why not tell us to whom you referred? Who are the two former PCTA
Extras?

If I would speak of the "dead" that would be a short form for
"dead-brained," that attribute of all those AMATEURS who insist
that the morse code test must be kept forever and ever.

But a guy who isn't a participant in amateur radio and who decrees that
morse code testing in amateur radio should be eliminated--he's not
"dead-brained"?

Perhaps you should go to Church more often...such as to the
Church of St. Hiram, the patron saint of Newington. There you
could mass with other morsemen and celebrate the mode in
chorus with a heavenly choir. Wash your brain regularly lest all
the old, tired, trite cliches' fall out. By all means, exercise your
morsemanship regularly to be ready for the Second Coming of
Aliens so you can defeat them via morse code and thereby
Save the World. After all, you are "superior" through morse code.

Yes, Len, your people skills rival those of Carl. Yessir, you really
have Mike on the verge of changing his mind. I'm sure the throng of
lurkers is cheering wildly.

Tsk. Another bout of Nasties from the Dale Carneige drop-out.

Wouldn't I have to drop in before I could drop out?

"Carl" who? The pro in electronics who helped change S25.5 by
going to Geneva, Switzerland, for WRC-03? That "Carl" is also
an Amateur Extra.

That's the guy. He liked using the "Nazi" and "jackbooted thug" terms
too.

Trouble is, he is an NCTA and that REALLY
gets your robes flying, heavenly fodder.

Robes? What robes, Foghorn?

Tsk, tsk, fewer and fewer are swearing by the words of ARRL and
rather swearing AT the code propaganda of the ARRL. You poor
self-righteous olde-tymers are soon going to lose your bragging
rights about morsemanship being essential to your self-important
rank/status/privilege in U.S. amateur radio.

Are you related to Barbara Boxer?

NOBODY is kissing your ring, heavenly fodder. They aren't even
bothering to tell you to kiss their posterior either. One can't swear
effectively to so much QRM from the PCTA extra bull pen. Just
noise. Self-righteous noise about their nobility and devotion to some
imaginary "service." Tsk.

You really do rant like one of the homeless.

Dave K8MN