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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: It's been nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions arrived at the FCC and the conservative-traditionalists mounted much cross-fire to those nasty radicals wanting dirty, rotten change (hack, ptui) from divine, blessed, noble olde-tyme regulations. Code MUST stay! It is "right!" :-) You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too much caffeine? More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it matter? He's a putz either way. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
K4YZ wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: It's been nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions arrived at the FCC and the conservative-traditionalists mounted much cross-fire to those nasty radicals wanting dirty, rotten change (hack, ptui) from divine, blessed, noble olde-tyme regulations. Code MUST stay! It is "right!" :-) You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too much caffeine? More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it matter? He's a putz either way. These demented rants of his grow more strange by the week. His factual errors are numerous. The legion of lurkers which he claimed would rise to the defense of his ideas never materialized and he's irrelevant to amateur radio in this country. Leonard really needs a new cause. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote in news:4229580A.BDD9A351
@earthlink.net: K4YZ wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: It's been nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions arrived at the FCC and the conservative-traditionalists mounted much cross-fire to those nasty radicals wanting dirty, rotten change (hack, ptui) from divine, blessed, noble olde-tyme regulations. Code MUST stay! It is "right!" :-) You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too much caffeine? More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it matter? He's a putz either way. These demented rants of his grow more strange by the week. His factual errors are numerous. The legion of lurkers which he claimed would rise to the defense of his ideas never materialized and he's irrelevant to amateur radio in this country. Leonard really needs a new cause. Dave K8MN I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem to be right on the money. 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message .. . "Dee Flint" wrote in : "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message .. . Michael Coslo wrote in : [snip] It's not particurly difficult, but I can see no need to continue the closed classes. All those who would get a 'free upgrade' have held their licences for some time, so I foresee no impact whatsoever from eliminating those licences and upgrading them. Alun N3KIP Why not simply cancel their licenses unless they take the upgrade exam by a certain date? It gets rid of the closed classes yet gives no one a freebie. Those who are active or care about their license but are inactive due to circumstances in their lives currently will upgrade. Those who don't care won't be any great loss. Let's shake the dead wood out of the tree and find out how many hams we really do have. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Cancelling is a bit harsh. Maybe they could be downgraded at the next renewal after say three years notice up front. Of course, for Novices that would mean cancellation, but I seriously doubt whether there are any active Novices? 73 de Alun, N3KIP There are a few though they are very few. I was looking at vanity call signs recently issued on some site or another and there was even a Novice who had received a vanity call. Since he/she was restricted to a 2x3 call there must have been some other reason that they wished a new call. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message .. . Michael Coslo wrote in : [snip] It's not particurly difficult, but I can see no need to continue the closed classes. All those who would get a 'free upgrade' have held their licences for some time, so I foresee no impact whatsoever from eliminating those licences and upgrading them. Alun N3KIP Why not simply cancel their licenses unless they take the upgrade exam by a certain date? Like the old Novice.. It gets rid of the closed classes yet gives no one a freebie. Those who are active or care about their license but are inactive due to circumstances in their lives currently will upgrade. I still remember the screaming from 1968 when "incentive licensing" went back into effect. What you propose would be worse. They wouldn't be screaming any louder than those opposed to automatic upgrades would be. Any change from the current will cause major screaming other something like closing the classes to new licenses as was done in 2000. Personally I happen to think leaving the classes alone is the best thing. Those who don't care won't be any great loss. There's also the group who don't know. It's almost 5 years since restructuring and I still read/hear questions from hams about what the license structure and test requirements are, particularly from inactive or narrow-focused hams. Well the FCC expects hams to keep up with the rules or they send them greeting cards if the violate the new ones. This wouldn't be any worse. It could be handled by specifying that they must upgrade by their next renewal. If they forget to renew, they loose their license anyway. Those who do attempt to renew could get a form stating that they must upgrade instead. Afterall, they will have the remainder of their term plus the grace period (which I would keep) to use their existing license for the appropriate elements. Let's shake the dead wood out of the tree and find out how many hams we really do have. What good would that really do, Dee? If nothing else, it would give folks like the BPL companies ammunition against us. 73 de Jim, N2EY It makes no less and no more sense than "auto upgrades." I don't particularly put it forth as a serious suggestion. Too many people are simply yakking on about the "burden" and "confusion" engendered by retaining these close classes so chose to describe an alternative. I just threw in the "deadwood" part since some people are so worried about the number of hams and the accuracy of the numbers. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in news:4229580A.BDD9A351 @earthlink.net: K4YZ wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: It's been nearly two years since the first of those 18 petitions arrived at the FCC and the conservative-traditionalists mounted much cross-fire to those nasty radicals wanting dirty, rotten change (hack, ptui) from divine, blessed, noble olde-tyme regulations. Code MUST stay! It is "right!" :-) You've really worked yourself into a froth today, old timer. Too much caffeine? More probably a lack of Geritol, Dave...Ot too much? Does it matter? He's a putz either way. These demented rants of his grow more strange by the week. His factual errors are numerous. The legion of lurkers which he claimed would rise to the defense of his ideas never materialized and he's irrelevant to amateur radio in this country. Leonard really needs a new cause. Dave K8MN I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem to be right on the money. Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in the Len Anderson Fan Club. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem to be right on the money. "Satirical comments"...?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! ! Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over the edge". Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R, Alun. Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's pointed out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on. Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar. Period. He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his insults and deceptions. Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in the Len Anderson Fan Club. Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being pretty balanced. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Alun L. Palmer wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in : "Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message ... Michael Coslo wrote in : [snip] It's not particurly difficult, but I can see no need to continue the closed classes. All those who would get a 'free upgrade' have held their licences for some time, so I foresee no impact whatsoever from eliminating those licences and upgrading them. Alun N3KIP Why not simply cancel their licenses unless they take the upgrade exam by a certain date? It gets rid of the closed classes yet gives no one a freebie. Those who are active or care about their license but are inactive due to circumstances in their lives currently will upgrade. Those who don't care won't be any great loss. Let's shake the dead wood out of the tree and find out how many hams we really do have. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Cancelling is a bit harsh. Maybe they could be downgraded at the next renewal after say three years notice up front. Of course, for Novices that would mean cancellation, but I seriously doubt whether there are any active Novices? 73 de Alun, N3KIP I know of three local novices that are on ten meters every night. That's all they want. They have no need for VHF and are just happy with what privileges they have now. |
"K4YZ" wrote in
oups.com: Dave Heil wrote: "Alun L. Palmer" wrote: I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over the top, seem to be right on the money. "Satirical comments"...?!?! BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! ! Lennie left "over the top" years ago and went straight to "over the edge". Lennie Anderson has been REPEATEDLY proven to be a L I A R, Alun. Not "wrong"..."Wrong" is when you make a mistake, and when it's pointed out to you why it's wrong, you acknowldege it and move on. Leonard H. Anderson of Sun Valley Californis is a liar. Period. He's NOT a satirist, and there's nothing comical about his insults and deceptions. Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in the Len Anderson Fan Club. Geeze...I hope not. Alun's previously impressed me as being pretty balanced. 73 Steve, K4YZ Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some here seem to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring of truth to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic way, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong. |
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