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"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in
:

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in
:

I'm not a lurker, but I will say that Lennie is right. Granted I'm
not sure why he's still here, since he could obviously pick up a
no-code licence any time he feels like it and doesn't seem to want
to get on HF anyway? However, his satirical comments, whilst over
the top, seem to be right on the money.

Noted. You're not a lurker. You support Len's idea for having a
minimum age for entrance into U.S. amateur radio. You join "bb" in
the Len Anderson Fan Club.

Where did you get that I support a minimum age? I don't.

It is one of Len's "over the top" satirical comments (to the FCC). I
take it that you aren't in favor of pedophiles in amateur radio either
then.

What kind of question is that?

"Can't have any pedophiles in ham radio, no sir!"

--Len Anderson March 4, 2005

That kind of question.

I don't think issuing licences to children
makes much difference from that angle. When someone is on the air they are
in a public place.

I don't believe you are keeping up, Alun. I don't see a single problem
necessitating the need for a minimum age for amateur radio licensing.
Len does. His comments to the FCC are there to see.

His latest comment about pedophiles is certainly "over the top".

I'd be careful before writing "Lennie is right" unless you know
everything Len has stated--also because he deplores being called
"Lennie", never mind all the things he has called others.

Dave K8MN

From: Mike Coslo who, unable to quite reach the edges of space
(at least today), inflated the following balloon on Sat, Mar 5 2005
9:50 pm
Alun L. Palmer wrote:

Thankyou. I think the point of Len's little tirade was that some
here seem
to be opposed to change at any cost, and that certainly has a ring
of truth
to it. Of course, he may have expressed that in a very sarcastic
way, but
that doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.

Of course he places me in that group also.

Tsk. I "placed you in that group?" NO.

Coslo was NOT mentioned by name.

Coslo, seeming to be super-sensitive, placed HIMSELF in that
"category." :-)

Solely on my support for the Element 1 test.

Tsk. More over-sensitivity. Uber-sensitivity maybe...

The picture he paints of me is nowhere near the truth.

More tsk. Had I painted your picture, it would be accurate.
Illustrators paint pictures (or draw them) as they are.

But broad brushes paint broad swaths, and apparently if a person is in

favor of a Morse code test, it is then mandatory that they are a
Morsodist, an "Olde Tyme Hamme" and in favor of the "Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Society, right?

Tsk. Lack of knowledge on the tools of the illustrator.
"Broad brushes" (used by illustrators) can, indeed, paint
little lines or points. That's called "technique with the
medium."

Coslo, what you have done is merely to fall face-down
on a palette-plate of wet paint and gotten yourself dirty.
If you can't watch where you are stepping, don't blame
others for your falling. Wipe yourself off and try again.

No other possibility exists?

Not in THIS newsgroup! :-) PCTA fantasy is:

"Real" hams know code! CB is evil, wicked, mean, and
nasty, full of "illegals" and "law violators," every one of
them! NO ONE may say anything against the ARRL for
any reason for feer of invoking lightning from the gods!
The only ones "qualified" to operate radio transmitters
below 30 MHz are those who passed a federal test for
morse code cognition! This newsgroup is a Chat Room
for the PCTA, where they can hang and make a group
blog on the whichness of the what (the what not
necessarily related to radio).

Above all, NO ONE may say anything in here (or to
the government) about amateur radio without a valid
amateur radio license! [the "new" Bill of Rights] That
SO upsets all those olde-tyme hammes who "rule"
the world of ham just from tenure in that lifestyle. :-)

Dave Heil, wearing his invisible royal robes as Archbishop of
the Church of St. Hiram, turned livid with apoplexy and blurted
out the following personal anguish on

wrote on Sun, Mar 6 2005 6:06 am:

Alun, you must understand that Robeson's name-calling is a long-
established habit of his, his own defense against not having a
valid
opinion/comeback on the subject in a thread. He goes for the
Personal Attack and then loses his objectivity in his own insults
while manufacturing "issues" that aren't there.

"Big badass Dave"

Tsk. NO ONE can tell big badass Dave what to do! :-)

"not wearing the SS uniform with twin lightning bolts but otherwise
acting like a downsized Gestapo veteran"

Tsk. The Waffen SS had to go...try to accept downsizing with
SOME semblance of grace and dignity. Return the uniform to
Central Casting...the rental fee is overdue.

"The Avenging Angle"

"concerning the Avenging Angle's further adventures in 'waste of
time'"

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did big badass Dave have "seven hostile
actions, TOO?

Temper fry...

"Jimmy Who and cronies"

You know who... :-)

This sampling from the past couple of weeks of r.r.a.p. were all
written
by Leonard Anderson, the guy who "goes for the Personal Attack and
then
loses his objectivity in his own insults while manufacturing 'issues'
that aren't there".

Poor big badass Dave, another uber-sensitive PCTA extra who
pretends to "rule" in amateur radio. All fully of hissies today.

Can't take return fire like a seasoned combat veteran of
Vietnam in-country? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

It matters not when it was written nor does it matter that you didn't
follow it up. It matters that you wrote it.

Oh, my! "Once written, twice wry!" :-)

There are legal procedures for big badass Dave to take in
forcing the FCC to disregard what I wrote. I would suggest
a good attorney for consultation into filing charges of felony
mindslaughter and violation of the "new" Bill of Rights in
regards to amateur radio! Hurry! The statute of limitations
may run out soon! [statute in this case has clay feet,
doesn't run fast]

You've never disavowed it or asked that the FCC disregard it.

Why should I? :-)

The charge was made because it is absolutely true.

We ARE in agreement! ARRL news featured the story
of two adorable young children becoming, possibly, the
"youngest hams" at age 6. :-)

You tap danced then as you are tap dancing now.

Never professionally! :-) Not even in an amateur production!

I used to date a professional dancer a long time ago
(a "gypsy" in the TV biz). We never danced vertically.

I did get to put on some Haney Plates though, learned
a few time-steps. :-)

Nice of you to remind me of days long ago...

Now you wouldn't want to be presented with any facts that would give
lie
to the statement above, would you?

Irrelevant. PCTA extras in here don't recognize reality or
the real differences between right and wrong...anything
said against any PCTA extra is autormatically a "lie."

Sometimes it looks like PCTA extras bathe in Lie Soap.

I don't know of a single soul here who has ever made that claim or
anything near it.

No need for you to do that. You RULE amateur radio.
Those who RULE need not have any precedent for
their statements. [they are "precedent for life?"]

Don't worry about it too much, Leonard. You don't have an amateur
radio
license to deserve.

Tsk. I have a commercial radio license, had one for a
long time. I've had a long career IN radio-electronics
beginning in radio in early 1953...which is ten years
longer than big badass Dave and his first teen-age
amateure Novice thingy. :-)

I'll grant you that anytime you show up, it is deep.

...and cold, too! :-)

Let me ask you a couple of plain question to see if I can get some
straight answer from you, Len.

What, and take all the joy out of your compulsive-obsessive
behavior in here to attempt word-triumph over selected
writers? :-)

When is the last time that you ever admitted to any wrongdoing
in here?

According to newsgroup RULEZ (written by PCTA extras)
it was the very last posting I made...ANY posting. :-)

ALL postings, in fact. According to those RULEZ,
NO "unlicensed" (in the amateur radio service) poster has
"any business saying anything about amateur radio!" :-)

[of course, amateur radio is, by definition, NOT about
any business, is it? :-) ]

Further, the RULEZ say that ALL PCTA extras can make
any charges, ask questions which NCTAs MUST answer!
The "penalty" for not answering - as the PCTA extras
expect - is seve Many many posts and quotes from
Google DEMANDING answers sufficient to satisfy
those PCTA extra gods of radio. Woe to all when the
PCTA extras' wounds still fester and grow gangrenous!

I don't need the ARRL's input to tangle with the likes of you.

Tsk. ARRL is not involved in my "likes." :-)

Do you believe in your self-righteous attitudes, Len?

Ennumerate those "attitudes," big badass Dave.
Show your work. [which is going to be lines and
lines and lines and lines of Google quotes...:-) ]

I have this funny belief in FREEDOM, a wonderful
thing about freedom of expression and the freedom
of being able to communicate with my government
to make changes. [that must not be in big badass
Dave's world...]

That FREEDOM used to be guaranteed to all U.S.
citizens. However, NOT in U.S. amateur radio
where ONLY the PCTA extras want to RULE. Tsk.

Are you demented?

No. :-) I'm just a work professional in radio-
electronics who has had a hobby of all electronics
longer than I've been a professional. I'm terribly
fascinated by the outrage and hatred presented
by some self-righteous knowitalls who pretend to
RULE an activity - especially a hobby - just
because they think they RULE. :-)

How much of a fanatic would one have to be to spend
years in jousting with participants in an avocation in which you have
no
part?

Tsk. Look in the mirror, big badass Dave. If you
actually have a reflection, ask your image why
he persists in the compulsive-obsessive action
against only certain individuals, trying to attack
their person constantly. :-)

From: Dave Heil , another poor baby
outraged and can't take it anymore shouted into his keyboard on Sun,
Mar 6 2005 1:17 pm:

, picturing another wearing invisible robes,
wrote:

Dave Heil, wearing his invisible royal robes as Archbishop of
the Church of St. Hiram, turned livid with apoplexy and blurted
out the following personal anguish on

Does it please you to think of me wearing something invisible, Len?

Tsk. From the old folk fable of "The Emperor's New Clothes."

The emperor (that's you) got talked into some expensive NEW
clothes (which didn't exist) and in vanity insisted on wearing
them in public to show off his finery. Self-delusion. So YOU.

Tsk. NO ONE can tell big badass Dave what to do! :-)

Can anyone tell you what to do, little wizened Leonard?

Big badass Dave thinks he can. :-)

"Little?!?" "Wizened?!?"

Tsk. Another PCTA Double Standard displayed for all to see.

I don't belong to the Waffen SS, Leonid. First it is invisible robes
and now, make believe uniforms.

The Waffen SS never existed? The Holocaust never existed?

Tsk, big badass dave wants to act just like an SS man,
complete with "show your papers!" orders and other
typical bullying tactics.

Hissies? No, I simply pointed out that you continue to do that which
you accuse others of doing. You do it frequently.

Tsk, tsk. You do it to others and bitch and whine when someone
does it right back on you! Poor baby.

Does it somehow bother you that I'm a Vietnam combat veteran?

"Combat?!?" Ho ho! :-)

You made the statement to the FCC. The Commission has taken no steps
to
implement your idea. It likely never will. Common sense prevails.

Tsk. FCC took no steps to implement what the ARRL wanted.
"Common sense prevails!"

Would you like to be reminded of what you wrote in the wake of the
heat
you took over the issue?

If you want to **** off others with many and varied Google quotes,
go right ahead. [you'd be wasting your time...and others' time]

Tsk. I took no "heat" on that single small part of my Comment
for nearly a year after the FCC filed it. Then it was brought up
in an effort to attack me personally...which is the standard mode
of PCTA extras' so-called "debate."

PCTA extras in here don't recognize reality or
the real differences between right and wrong...anything
said against any PCTA extra is autormatically a "lie."

Well, a lie is certainly a lie. You've lied.

Nope. PCTA extras do the "1984" thing with "Truthspeak,"
turning around Right and Wrong to suit their own
brainwashing.

You RULE amateur radio.
Those who RULE need not have any precedent for
their statements. [they are "precedent for life?"]

That's funny. I don't recall ever making a comment to the effect that
I
rule amateur radio. Can you come up with it from an archive?

You RULE by forbidding open discussion on amateur regulation
issues with the usual bullying tactics against NCTAs. Plain.
No "archives" need be quoted.

You RULE based on the delusion of "seniority/tenure" in
amateur radio, as if those four decades of keeping your
ham license had some regulatory impact. Doesn't work
that way, senor, amateur radio is a hobby, not a job, not
a guild, not an association. Never was except in the
minds of a few.

The FCC doesn't require any Commissioners or staff to
hold amateur radio licenses in order for them to REGULATE
ALL of amateur radio law.

You are NOT an FCC Commissioner. You are NOT an FCC
staffer. You ARE a big loudmouth.

This isn't a commercial radio newsgroup.

True...it's a BLOG for PCTA extras to vent their upset... :-)

I've had a long career IN radio-electronics
beginning in radio in early 1953

How nice for you.

Yes. it was and continues to be nice! :-)

Still profitable. Interesting, fascinating as well!

Nope that wasn't a straight answer. When is the last time you ever
admitted to any wrongdoing in here?

According to newsgroup RULEZ (written by PCTA extras)
it was the very last posting I made...ANY posting. :-)

ALL postings, in fact. According to those RULEZ,
NO "unlicensed" (in the amateur radio service) poster has
"any business saying anything about amateur radio!" :-)

No straight answer here. When was the last time you admitted to any
wrongdoing here?

According to newsgroup RULEZ (written by PCTA extras)
it was the very last posting I made...ANY posting. :-)

ALL postings, in fact. According to those RULEZ,
NO "unlicensed" (in the amateur radio service) poster has
"any business saying anything about amateur radio!" :-)

I don't see a straight answer here. When was the last time you
admitted
to any wrongdoing here.

According to newsgroup RULEZ (written by PCTA extras)
it was the very last posting I made...ANY posting. :-)

ALL postings, in fact. According to those RULEZ,
NO "unlicensed" (in the amateur radio service) poster has
"any business saying anything about amateur radio!" :-)

Not a sign of a straight answer. When was the last time you admitted
to
any wrongdoing here?

According to newsgroup RULEZ (written by PCTA extras)
it was the very last posting I made...ANY posting. :-)

ALL postings, in fact. According to those RULEZ,
NO "unlicensed" (in the amateur radio service) poster has
"any business saying anything about amateur radio!" :-)

Do you believe in your self-righteous attitudes, Len?

Ennumerate those "attitudes," big badass Dave.

Don't you know what your own self-righteous attitudes, little wizened
Len? You've just made an accusation about the "self-righteous
attitudes" of others. You didn't "ennumerate" them.

Tsk. I don't have to list them. They are in plain sight. :-)

PCTA extras have the "truth" (as they believe it).

I have this funny belief in FREEDOM, a wonderful
thing about freedom of expression and the freedom
of being able to communicate with my government
to make changes. [that must not be in big badass
Dave's world...]

You seem to believe in FREEDOM for yourself, but not for others with
ideas
at odds with yours.

Tsk, tsk. I believe in freedom for all.

You must think that is "wrong" in amateur radio...you RULE
it the old-fashioned way, you bully it with others. :-)

You've commented. Nobody applauded. Some laughed. Some ridiculed.
Some argued.

You have no guarantee that those things won't happen. Your freedoms
don't trump anyone else's freedoms. That's just the way it works.

Is it?

Morse code testing remains for amateur radio licenses, long
after it served its usefulness to the government agency
regulating amateur radio. It has been lobbied for by the ARRL
(a minority group) through the insistence of the olde-tyme
board of directors' voting and the tradition of maintaining the
Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society, a living museum of old
radio skills.

That's a dictatorship by a minority group, very UN-democratic.

But, big badass dave managed to pass the "CW" test and
so have other PCTA extras. They LIKE being dictators and
pushing others around. That makes them "somebody" and
that seems to be very important to them.

NOT "freedom." Except to the PCTA extras who have theirs
and screw all the others, the newcomers.

Nice attitude of theirs? No

Nice democratic thing? No.

Big badass dave, you have this nice shiny Orion, don't you? Why
don't you go play with your Orion toy on the radio spectrum,
work DX on HF with CW.

Quit trying to play Boss.

[the best you've done is to do a bad imitation of Boss Hogg...]