Question for N8UZE
 

Is 10 meters in the HF portion? If it is then what is wrong with this
picture?
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/03/28/2/?nc=1

Jim wrote:
Is 10 meters in the HF portion? If it is then what is wrong with this

picture?
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/03/28/2/?nc=1

I'm certainly not Dee, but I was trying to figure out where you
might be going with this, espeically since I couldn't find any
reference to 10 meters in the article.

However I think the article itself is misleading and will
misdirect potential HF operators.

I realize the INTENT was to provide some encouragement to those
who might be interested in HF operating but are intimidated by the
Morse Code exam.

The PROBLEM, however, is that when you approach ANY learning curve
with the idea that "I only need to know 'this much' to pass", you
usually wind up having to spend even more time IN the training curve
because you wind up having to re-do a lot to get to where it is you
want to be.

There has to be a dozen different learning "systems" out there to
learn Morse Code...One of them is going to work "for you"...Just sit
down, devote some effort to it, and get it done. Trying to "get by"
with only half or less of what you need to know, Morse Code or any
other topic, will just leave you ill-prepared, frustrated and short of
your goal.

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

Jim wrote:

Is 10 meters in the HF portion? If it is then what is wrong with this


picture?
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/03/28/2/?nc=1


I'm certainly not Dee, but I was trying to figure out where you
might be going with this, espeically since I couldn't find any
reference to 10 meters in the article.

However I think the article itself is misleading and will
misdirect potential HF operators.

I realize the INTENT was to provide some encouragement to those
who might be interested in HF operating but are intimidated by the
Morse Code exam.

The PROBLEM, however, is that when you approach ANY learning curve
with the idea that "I only need to know 'this much' to pass", you
usually wind up having to spend even more time IN the training curve
because you wind up having to re-do a lot to get to where it is you
want to be.

There has to be a dozen different learning "systems" out there to
learn Morse Code...One of them is going to work "for you"...Just sit
down, devote some effort to it, and get it done. Trying to "get by"
with only half or less of what you need to know, Morse Code or any
other topic, will just leave you ill-prepared, frustrated and short of
your goal.

73

Steve, K4YZ

I don't know where I was going with 10 meters either, talking before I
think.
This is what I saw that was wrong.
" In the United States the General class license is the minimum
requirement for an amateur to have HF privileges."
Novice and Tech plus both have HF privileges, don't they still?
Maybe because of 10 meter voice was my reference to 10 meters, I don't
remember why I said that? Brain farct, doing too many things at once,
operating appliances, oops there goes the toaster.

Jim wrote:

I don't know where I was going with 10 meters either, talking
before I
think.
This is what I saw that was wrong.
" In the United States the General class license is the minimum
requirement for an amateur to have HF privileges."
Novice and Tech plus both have HF privileges, don't they still?

Yes Sir...they still do...The author might have made some comment
acknowledging that.

See what I mean about cutting corners? The author didn't mention
that currently licensed Novices and Techs with 5WPM have access to 10M
and it brought a bit of confusion with it!

Maybe because of 10 meter voice was my reference to 10 meters, I
don't
remember why I said that? Brain farct, doing too many things at once,

operating appliances, oops there goes the toaster.

Like the 'toasters' on the new "Battlestar Gallactica"...?!?! =)

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

Jim wrote:


I don't know where I was going with 10 meters either, talking

before I

think.
This is what I saw that was wrong.
" In the United States the General class license is the minimum
requirement for an amateur to have HF privileges."
Novice and Tech plus both have HF privileges, don't they still?


Yes Sir...they still do...The author might have made some comment
acknowledging that.

See what I mean about cutting corners? The author didn't mention
that currently licensed Novices and Techs with 5WPM have access to 10M
and it brought a bit of confusion with it!


Maybe because of 10 meter voice was my reference to 10 meters, I

don't

remember why I said that? Brain farct, doing too many things at once,


operating appliances, oops there goes the toaster.


Like the 'toasters' on the new "Battlestar Gallactica"...?!?! =)


Like the toaster is one of the appliances I operate! :)

Speaking of appliance operaters, this is a nice looking Danish made
appliance, just a strange color.
http://www.danamps.com/dual_band.htm

73

Steve, K4YZ

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Is 10 meters in the HF portion? If it is then what is wrong with this
picture?
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/03/28/2/?nc=1


Actually he is overlooking the Tech with code who is then allowed to access
10m voice, 10m cw, 15m cw, 40m cw, and 80m cw.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jim wrote:
Is 10 meters in the HF portion? If it is then what is wrong with this

picture?
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/03/28/2/?nc=1

I'm certainly not Dee, but I was trying to figure out where you
might be going with this, espeically since I couldn't find any
reference to 10 meters in the article.

However I think the article itself is misleading and will
misdirect potential HF operators.

I realize the INTENT was to provide some encouragement to those
who might be interested in HF operating but are intimidated by the
Morse Code exam.

The PROBLEM, however, is that when you approach ANY learning curve
with the idea that "I only need to know 'this much' to pass", you
usually wind up having to spend even more time IN the training curve
because you wind up having to re-do a lot to get to where it is you
want to be.

There has to be a dozen different learning "systems" out there to
learn Morse Code...One of them is going to work "for you"...Just sit
down, devote some effort to it, and get it done. Trying to "get by"
with only half or less of what you need to know, Morse Code or any
other topic, will just leave you ill-prepared, frustrated and short of
your goal.

73

Steve, K4YZ


The author of the article made a major error in that he stated General is
required for HF where as in reality, Techs with code have CW on several
bands plus voice on 10meter.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Is 10 meters in the HF portion? If it is then what is wrong with this
picture?
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/03/28/2/?nc=1


I zipped the author off an email after reading it and he has already
acknowledged it and thanked me for the feedback.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jim wrote:
Is 10 meters in the HF portion? If it is then what is wrong with this

picture?
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/03/28/2/?nc=1

I'm certainly not Dee, but I was trying to figure out where you
might be going with this, espeically since I couldn't find any
reference to 10 meters in the article.

However I think the article itself is misleading and will
misdirect potential HF operators.

I realize the INTENT was to provide some encouragement to those
who might be interested in HF operating but are intimidated by the
Morse Code exam.

The PROBLEM, however, is that when you approach ANY learning curve
with the idea that "I only need to know 'this much' to pass", you
usually wind up having to spend even more time IN the training curve
because you wind up having to re-do a lot to get to where it is you
want to be.

There has to be a dozen different learning "systems" out there to
learn Morse Code...One of them is going to work "for you"...Just sit
down, devote some effort to it, and get it done. Trying to "get by"
with only half or less of what you need to know, Morse Code or any
other topic, will just leave you ill-prepared, frustrated and short of
your goal.

73

Steve, K4YZ


The author of the article made a major error in that he stated General is
required for HF where as in reality, Techs with code have CW on several
bands plus voice on 10meter.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


OOPS! I forgot about the Novices.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...

Is 10 meters in the HF portion? If it is then what is wrong with this
picture?
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/03/28/2/?nc=1



Actually he is overlooking the Tech with code who is then allowed to access
10m voice, 10m cw, 15m cw, 40m cw, and 80m cw.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


That's what I thought, as well as some still existing Novice class. And
I guess thats why I thought of 10 meters, Novice and Tech both have
voice, I wasn't thinking about all the cw segments they have.
Thanks

Dee Flint wrote:

The author of the article made a major error in that he stated
General is
required for HF where as in reality, Techs with code have CW on
several
bands plus voice on 10meter.

It's these "Which way did he go?" screw ups that form my opinion
that there ought to be a stabilizing of the licenses and grandfathering
of existing Advanced and Novices into one of the three existing
classes.

He was fundementally correct that a General class license is the
"basic" HF license...NOW. Of course we still have the "loophole" for
Techs who pass the 5WPM being allowed to use the Novice sub-bands, and
the Novice class license itself...

Waddanitemare!

73

Steve, K4YZ

The author of the article made a major error in that he stated General is
required for HF where as in reality, Techs with code have CW on several
bands plus voice on 10meter.


Maybe he forgot to mention that the only way today to get
on HF from no license at all is to get the general or an
extra? Or can an old tech still take a code test and
become a tech plus?

"robert casey" wrote in message
.net...




The author of the article made a major error in that he stated General is
required for HF where as in reality, Techs with code have CW on several
bands plus voice on 10meter.


Maybe he forgot to mention that the only way today to get
on HF from no license at all is to get the general or an
extra? Or can an old tech still take a code test and
become a tech plus?

Any Tech, old or brand new, can take the code test and get the HF
privileges. It is not called Tech Plus since the code credit, while
permanent for operating, is only good for one year for upgrading purposes.
The old Tech Plus was & is good for code credit even for upgrading even if
it has been more than a year since passing the code.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Any Tech, old or brand new, can take the code test and get the HF
privileges. It is not called Tech Plus since the code credit, while
permanent for operating, is only good for one year for upgrading purposes.
The old Tech Plus was & is good for code credit even for upgrading even if
it has been more than a year since passing the code.


Part of the reason I upgraded from tech plus to extra was to
"lock in" the credit I'd have for passing the old tech (general
written) and 5wpm I had from 1976. Also getting access to
all of ham radio privs was nice too.... HF turned out to be
more fun than 2m ever was.