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April 13th 05, 01:28 PM
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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: wrote: From: N2EY on Apr 12, 4:20 pm wrote: What does it matter whether I served in any military or not? Tsk. Go talk to a REAL WW2 veteran. I've done that - many times. From several branches of the US military. It would have difficult to grow up in the times we did and not encounter larges numbers of World War II vets. My dad was a U.S. Navy veteran of the Normandy Invasion. A great-uncle was at Bataan. He survived the Death March and was held by the Japanese until the end of the war. I've known many, many WW2 veterans. Many I got to know quite well. Some didn't want to talk, others had lots to say. Just for starters, I know/knew a B-24 navigator who bombed Japan (gave me some of his maps), a USN submarine torpedoman, a USN radioman (gave me some of his books - he also served in the Korean War) and a B-24 pilot who bombed Ploesti three times and spent 18 months as "a guest of the Luftwaffe". I don't think the latter would find Len's "Kolonel Klunk" insults to be very funny. Better yet, visit a VA hospital and keep some of them company. That's a good idea! It is a great idea but it isn't necessary to visit just a VA hospital. I can visit any number here who live quietly with spouses, who are living alone as widowers or who are in nursing homes. Remember that WW2 ENDED BEFORE you were born. Why is that of any significance? If anything, it is more important that those of us who weren't alive then keep the history alive. I live just up the hill from Valley Forge, where Washington's army survived a terrible winter. Also down the pike from where the Paoli Massacre took place. That war ended long before *you* were born, Len. You don't quite have the hang of it, Jim. I'd have used, "That war ended LONG BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, Len". Oh yes. And, you've NEVER served in any military. How do you know for sure? And what does it matter anyway? Notice how Len avoids direct questions? Yet you make this BIG THING about morse code in a window display... Is it wrong to mention an interesting architectural feature? I read your post and looked in vain for the portion in which you made it a BIG THING. It's not a big thing - except to Len. Does it bother you, Len? You read his lengthy post and saw the style he used. You bet it bothered him. Here's a hint: The Canadian military forces used Morse Code in WW2. If I did talk about any military service I had, you would be certain to make fun of it. It's just what you do, Len. So typical. I've seen how you talk to those who *have* served in the US military, and for various departments of the US government. I haven't dissed Bill Sohl about his USN service. Because he doesn't disagree with you about Morse Code testing in amateur radio. In fact, he pretty much ignores you. I haven't dissed Brian Burke about his USAF service. Because he doesn't disagree with you about Morse Code testing in amateur radio. In fact, he pretty much idolizes you. It's only those who disagree with you about Morse Code testing that get your disrespect, abuse, name calling, and general jackass behavior. To be fair, Len has exhibited jackass behavior toward K0HB and Hans does not support retention of morse code testing. Then I guess what bothers Len is when someone says anyhting good about Morse Code. I HAVE dissed those that want to LIE about their big heroic military "actions" such as Stebie the wonder murine There you go - calling names. So typical. ...and utterly predictable. about his famous "seven hostile actions" Do you know what they are? Where *you* involved in any of them? He doesn't have any idea what they were. It kills him. Sure seems to. Is there any reason to doubt that Steve, K4YZ, was involved if he says he was? and his failure to acknowledge that the DoD really does direct MARS. I see. His mistake somehow justifies *your* behavior? To my knowledge, Steve has never stated that DOD does not direct MARS. His claim is that if there were no radio amateurs, there'd have been no MARS program. In that, he is correct. Am I supposed to "respect" the infamous Kolonel Klunk There you go again - calling names. Did you really expect otherwise? No. Utterly predictable. Godwin invoked. You lose. Why not use the person's name and callsign? about his very NON-SPECIFIC "service" in Vietnam? Just because he brags without revealing any details? What difference would details make? Your behavior when details are given doesn't change. In fact, you simply use the details as a source of more insults. That's pretty much why I've left details out. As with Steve's military service, Len doesn't know what I did or where I did it and it kills him. The important fact is that no matter what you actually did, Len would dismiss it. We've seen that over and over and over. That's why I don't mention my employment. Len would simply make fun of it. OTOH, Brian, N0IMD, refuses to give any details about his claimed amateur radio operation from Somalia, but that doesn't bother you a bit. Isn't this about the point at which Leonard or Brian would begin some litany about a double standard? Well, they should know ;-) Just because he was in the State Department? Do you mean Dave, K8MN, who served in the US State Department at a number of foreign posts as a communications officer? His service to our country was much longer than your, Len, and in many more foreign countries. ...and Len has invariably demeaned that service. He has always known more about my job that I did. Foreign service tours were dismissed as tropical backwaters, places of insignificance and Cashew capitals. It wouldn't matter where you were or what you did, Len would demean and insult your service. I recall when he was transferred to right around the same time the US Embassy in the country he was transferring to was bombed. We didn't hear from him for weeks. Luckily he was OK. Luckily, he was on holiday between the assignments and was comfy right here in West Virginia when the news broke. I arrived in Tanzania three weeks after the embassy bombing. The embassy was in ruins. Operations were carried out from a residence for six months while a new temporary embassy was constructed. It was my busiest assignment. I doubt the bombers waited for you to leave when scheduling their attack. Yet you argued with him at length about communications facilities that he used - even though you've never worked for the State Department. Don't leave out his attempts at insult by stating that my name never appeared in any lists of embassy staff. That blew up in his face when I produced a couple of urls in which I was listed. Len's response was to dismiss the lists as some sort of telephone directory. Oh yes - I do recall that now. Of course I "should." Yes, you should. Perhaps you have forgotten the US Coast Guard radio operator who used to post here? You made fun of his service in that capacity, in your now-famous "sphincter post". Why? Because Len is all about Len. That isn't the important part though. The important part is where Len's sphincter post speaks of what it is like to be in battle. Len was never in battle. I think the important part is that Len demeaned and insulted the services of a skilled military radio operator, for no good reason at all. That behavior speaks volumes. All those infamous types are pro-coders and YOU love morse code, so much so that you think ham radio is all about morse- manship... Len - lest we forget - you're not a radio amateur. You've never been a radio amateur. Yet you see fit to tell all how amateur radio should be. You're not and never have been part of the FCC, either. As far as I'm concerned, amateur radio is about operating any mode I choose on any band I choose. Len isn't involved on any level. That's right. If the person disagrees with you on almost any issue, you treat them *and their service* with little or no respect at all. Tsk, tsk. Better contact the Department of the Army of the United States and DEMAND my Good Conduct medal be given up and sent back! :-) I don't demand anything like that, Len. You make fun of them and their service for no apparent reason other than a failed attempt at what you consider "humor". Tsk, tsk, tsk. Those "veterans" (at least one with "seven hostile actions") have all been about as disrespectful to me FIRST. No, they haven't. At least not to anyone rational. No, they haven't. You apparently see any disagreement with your cherished beliefs about Morse Code testing in amateur radio as "disrespect", and then proceed in your completely predictable manner. They got what is known as "return fire." For saying good things about Morse Code, apparently. Poor things. Thought they could pull a snow job on everyone else and make themselves real "big" in others' eyes. They should have stayed down at the Legion Hall bar. Len knows more about what others did than those involved. Len knows more about the military. Len knows more about communications. Len knows more about radio operation. Len knows more about the U.S. Department of State. Len knows more about your work. Len knows more about Brian Kelly's work. Len knows more about Steve's work. Len doesn't know anything about my work. He could not do my job. That *really* bothers him. You mean like somebody who tells us the same story, over and over and over and over again, about his service at a big radio facility 50+ years ago? Then gets mad because people point out his underestimation of distances, and mistakes about Soviet aircraft deployment dates? Whatever Len did at ADA more than a half century ago impacts amateur radio not in the least. Len tells it because he wants to be sure that everyone knows of it. Except it isn't funny. Not to you. But, you've NOT served in the military. How do you know for sure? Do *you* think it's funny, Len? Why? Those whom you make fun of don't seem to be amused. Besides, the point is that you make fun of the military service of those who disagree with you about Morse code testing in amateur radio. Even though you're not an amateur radio operator, never have been, and probably never will be. Your body too precious to get it harmed in REAL service for your country? Why, no, Len. I don't think that at all. Never have. Is military service the only REAL service, Len? I guess all those police officers, firefighters, EMTs, and other uniformed people who go in harm's way don't count, do they? How about the utility workers who keep the lights on and the water flowing? Or the highway, airline, transit, railroad and maritime workers who keep transportation running? Or health care workers, exposed to who-knows-what every day on the job? Guess they don't count either - to you. Couldn't get a dinner date with the Captain because the King of the Katapults was already booked on that aircraft carrier? More name calling - so typical of you. Let's all stand up and salute this brave "member of the service." There you go again! So typical. I served. YOU did NOT. How does that give you the right to insult others' service? How does it give him the right to insult those who never served? Good question! You want to see more of what I did in ARMY service? No. You've told us over and over and over again. That's enough. Now you've done it, Jim. You've denigrated a veteran. How? I simply don't want to read Len's story about ADA again. He's posted it here so many times I can recite it from memory. But he never explains why it has any bearing on amateur radio policy today. I don't want to read it again. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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