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"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... We each must choose our activities based on our personal priorities. Thank you very much, Captain Obvious. But do not whine and cry to change the requirements simply because it's not high enough on your priority list to put some time into it. I wouldn't characterize it as "whine and cry" (unless I wanted to prejudice the audience). Seems more like "this is my opinion on the matter". Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to study the theory either. Is that kinda like when you told your child "if you haven't got room for more green beans, then you don't have room for dessert either" As you said, a person must get started to learn anything. The first ones are difficult for all of us. Like anything else it takes time to get good. "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." ---Bokonon in "Cat's Cradle" Wow, talk about prejudicing the audience! This assumes that those of us who support Morse testing simply do it because we had to. With my problems with it, that would make me the meanest SOB in the valley. Perhaps, just perhaps, some of us believe that it is a good idea simply because it is a good idea, a mode that cant be performed by picking up a mic and talking, or typing on a keyboard, and needs to be learned? "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Extended to all modes? Get rid of those darn satellite mode questions on the tests! I personally have no use for that! For a strict appliance operator who is going to buy everything they use and have someone else install it? No one should have to do anything they don't want to do! Ditch all those unneeded questions. Sunuvagun! Huzzanga! - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Dee Flint wrote: Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of course you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the test to have one set up at that pitch for her testing. Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the modifications that the VE may make to an examination Brian, Dee is a VE..... Steve is a VA. - Mike KB3EIA - Hey, are you going to Dayton this year? I have a batch of what promises to be an awesome Red Ale which should be ready to drink about that time...... Which day(s) are you going? I work Saturday. |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... We each must choose our activities based on our personal priorities. Thank you very much, Captain Obvious. But do not whine and cry to change the requirements simply because it's not high enough on your priority list to put some time into it. I wouldn't characterize it as "whine and cry" (unless I wanted to prejudice the audience). Seems more like "this is my opinion on the matter". It's still whining and crying no matter how you sugar coat it. Besides if you haven't time to study code 15 minutes per day, you don't have time to study the theory either. Is that kinda like when you told your child "if you haven't got room for more green beans, then you don't have room for dessert either" If you don't have room for good food then you don't have room for junk. However I did not have to tell my children this because I never served dessert unless there was company and sometimes not even then. I eat too much junk during the day at work so try to avoid compounding the problem at home. As you said, a person must get started to learn anything. The first ones are difficult for all of us. Like anything else it takes time to get good. "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." ---Bokonon in "Cat's Cradle" I only object to those who wish to change the rules without having the experience to judge for themselves whether they should be changed. You and I do not agree on the code test but I respect your opinion as you have experience in the field (but do not agree with it). When and if the majority of experienced hams say it should go, then I have no problem with that. So far that doesn't happen to be the majority opinion among the experienced hams. "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Sunuvagun! Actually people who are not required to learn something at a basic level too often bypass the activity altogether because they perceive it to be harder than it is. Therein lies the loss. We will be left with only 25+wpm CW people on the bands in that mode and everyone else will be too intimidated to get on. Only the extremely motivated will even bother to try. We will lose the "casual" CW operator who ragchews at the 13wpm level or so. I'd like to see people learn a much wider range of "basics" in life not just ham radio than they do now. For example, personally I believe that everyone should have a year of art class and a year of a musical instrument, among other things, to be well rounded. Yet we insist on eliminating more and more basics in all areas. How is a person to have any idea what they want to do with their life when they have not had an opportunity to gain some basic skill in a wide range of areas? Similarly how is a person to have any real idea as to whether they might like code and wish to pursue it if they do not have a minimal, basic skill level? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
cl wrote: "bb" wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of course you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the test to have one set up at that pitch for her testing. Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the modifications that the VE may make to an examination That's what you ask in here for! There are VEs in here, myself included - who can give guidance to those who ask. cl "Here" is all knowing. Part 97 doesn't define Morse Code, but specifies that it is to be tested at 5WPM. Part 97 is silent on Farnsworth Code. Part 97 doesn't say that the VE's must accomodate variations in testing. Why does a person have to ask RRAP when they should be able to read it in the governing regulations??? |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Extended to all modes? Get rid of those darn satellite mode questions on the tests! I personally have no use for that! Good point, and I agree. If we are going to have incredibly difficult satellite questions on the Extra written exam, like the following verbatim example..... Q: Which of the following types of communications may space stations transmit? A. Automatic retransmission of signals from Earth stations and other space stations B. One-way communications C. Telemetry consisting of specially coded messages D. All of these choices are correct ......then there ought to be similarly incredibly difficult CW questions on the Extra written exam, like: Q: Which of the following alphanumeric characters corresponds to the Morse sound "di-dah" A. A B. B C. C D. All of these choices are correct After all, fair is fair, and the CW mode ought to have test questions just like all other modes. Thanks for pointing that out. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: Sorry, according to many in here you have to approach it as THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN YOUR LIFE!!! Actually, Lennie, YOU are the only one making that assertion. Nope, in-between homosexual and pedophilia inuendo, you have made such assertions. So that makes lie #25. Then here's yet another chance for you to prove yourself, Brain, and provide SOME sample of a post I have EVER made that asserts that ANYthing having to to with Amateur Radio must be approched as the "MOST IMPORTANT THING" in ANYone's life. Good thing you didn't deny the homosexual and pedophilia inuendo. That would have made Lies #27 and #28. You said it exists. Let's see it. Steve, K4YZ Sorry, Steve, but I don't have to show you anything. BTW, you're up to Lie #26 with the "Bwhahaha..." laugh that you claimed you don't use. |
bb wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: bb wrote: Dee Flint wrote: Most of the computer programs let you select a pitch you like. Of course you would have to arrange with the VE team well in advance of the test to have one set up at that pitch for her testing. Dee, not everyone has a ham-husband to tell them all of the modifications that the VE may make to an examination Brian, Dee is a VE..... Steve is a VA. - Mike KB3EIA - Hey, are you going to Dayton this year? I have a batch of what promises to be an awesome Red Ale which should be ready to drink about that time...... Which day(s) are you going? I work Saturday. I should be there al three days. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... Actually people who are not required to learn something at a basic level too often bypass the activity altogether because they perceive it to be harder than it is. Therein lies the loss. I don't buy that line of reasoning at all. I was never "required" to learn to set up a "Lindy Rig", but saw other fishermen doing it and it looked like fun, so decided it must not be too difficult, so I learned how. I was never "required" to learn to swim, but saw other kids doing it and it looked like fun, so decided it must not be too difficult, so I learned how. I was never "required" to learn how to kiss a girl, but saw Clark Gable doing it, and it looked like great fun, so I decided it must not be too difficult, so I learned how. I was never "required" to learn Morse Code, but heard it on the Zenith and was curious about those beeps and boops, so I learned how (a decade before I decided to be a ham). I was never "required" to learn RTTY, but saw other hams doing it, and it looked interesting, so I decided it must not be too difficula, so I learned how. You probably get the drift. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... "Actually, what is being discussed is freedom of choice of modes in a hobby in a free society. There is absolutely nothing prohibiting someone who wants to take full advantage of CW's many advantages from becoming skillful in the mode." --- CAM in RRAP Extended to all modes? Get rid of those darn satellite mode questions on the tests! I personally have no use for that! Good point, and I agree. If we are going to have incredibly difficult satellite questions on the Extra written exam, like the following verbatim example..... Q: Which of the following types of communications may space stations transmit? A. Automatic retransmission of signals from Earth stations and other space stations B. One-way communications C. Telemetry consisting of specially coded messages D. All of these choices are correct .....then there ought to be similarly incredibly difficult CW questions on the Extra written exam, like: Q: Which of the following alphanumeric characters corresponds to the Morse sound "di-dah" A. A B. B C. C D. All of these choices are correct After all, fair is fair, and the CW mode ought to have test questions just like all other modes. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll bet you like those schools where the students determine the curriculum! Especially important is that those who do not know the material MUST determine what the material is that they must learn. That is always the smartest way to do things. The students must educate the teachers. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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