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wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 1 2005 5:42 am

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Fri,Apr 29 2005 9:54 pm

I've never seen anyone ask about rear area Army radio
stations
in
the 50's, Lennie, but you sure do let us know about it.

Someone has to do it...poor Stevie NEVER did anything
close to such HF communications...as an amateur or
anything else.

Neither did you, Lennie.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Poor Stebie...still envious AND
FRUSTRATED. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Nope...Not frustrated, Lennie...but just amazed at how much time
you ahd on your hands to try and redirect from your own newsgroup
silliness.

You were a readio mechanic.

"Readio?" Reallio?

Typo. My Bad. You were still only a radio mechanic.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Primary MOS of Microwave Radio Relay
Operation and Maintenance Supervisor.

M A I N T E N A N C E.

As in "mechanic".

Secondary MOS
of Fixed Station (transmitters) Radio Operation and
Maintenance Supervisor...and a few other little duties
such as Carrier Operation and Maintenance (not that
those Western Electric units had either drift or
failure). The VHF-UHF radio relay equipment operation
and maintenance fell under my primary MOS.

Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.

R A D I O M E C H A N I C.

Not one word of "OPERATOR" in there...Thanks for backing me up,
Lennie.

Period. You were not a message
center clerk...You were not responsible for determining operating
frequencies, modes, etc.

Tsk, tsk. The Chief Signal Officer, Washington DC,
did that sort of deciding for ALL involved in ACAN -
STARCOM - DCS and still does for all the alphabet
soup organization evolvement that followed after the
1960s.

You were not a message center clerk...You were not responsible for
determining operating frequencies, modes, etc.

Big snippage of usual stuff.

(1) This forum is about Amateur Radio in the 21st
century...Not
Army communications in the 1950's.

TSK, TSK, TSK, NURSIE!

1. This forum is NOT for Stebie's experiences with
the Commanding General of the First Marine Air
Wing in NINETINE EIGHTY ONE!!! [24 years ago]

Nope. But It was one of SEVERAL assignments that placed me in a
position to OPERATE radios...Something you've not done.

2. This forum is NOT for Stebie's BRAGS of mighty
murine service in 'SEVEN HOSTILE ACTIONS!'

"murine"...What's "murine", other than a commercial eye care
product. You wouldn't be proactively "dissing" the military service of
another, would you, Lennie?

You's emphatically stated in this forum that you don't do that.

3. This forum is NOT for Stebie's BRAGS of prowess
in SUTURING or about his "medical qualifications."

Wasn't bragging, Lennie.

4. This forum is NOT for Stebie's continuing
refusal to admit that MARS is NOT "run by
amateurs." MARS is run by the MILITARY.

However this IS a forum for me to state that you continue to
promulgate a lie by trying to perpetuate that lie, Lennie.

I never said that MARS was not run by the military, Lennie.

Failure to validate that assertion is yet another LennieLie.

I HAVE said, and correctly so, that No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

5. This forum is NOT about MARS at all, although
the ASSIGNED MARS frequencies are OUTSIDE
the ham bands. [sunnuvagun!]

Sunnuvagun! Participation in the MARS program is predicated upon
having an AMATEUR RADIO LICENSE...Remember...The one YOU said you
didn't need to have to be a MARS participant.

(2) YOU are the only one arguing about Morse
Code-vs-teleprinter
traffic, Lennie. The rest of us moved on YEARS ago.

BULL####. Don't you PCTAs give that song and dance.
You PCTAs can't dance and your singing voices are as
flat as the 1930's attempted revival of vaudeville.

Ahhhhhhhhhh....More profanity to fill in the holes...And
Lennie...there you go giving orders again...And you always insinuating
that "PCTA'S are Nazis"...

You MIGHTY MACHO MORSEMEN just CANNOT admit that TTY
was already downsizing manual morse a half century
ago. Sucks to be retrograde recreators of ancient
times, doesn't it?

I wouldn't know...I am not the "retrograde recreator" of anything.

(3) You are still not licensed in nor have any practical
experience in AMATEUR RADIO communications.

TSK, TSK, TSK. I'm a PROFESSIONAL in radio, have been
since 1953.

You are still not licensed in nor ahve any practical experience
in AMATEUR RADIO communications.

You continue to make
significant errors on matters of Amateur policy AND practice.

BULL####. YOU do NOT set what is "right" and
what is "wrong."

No, I don't.

But the fact remains that you continue to make errors, almost on a
weekly basis, about Amateur Radio practice and policy.

Stebie, cut the bull####. I began in HF radio
before you were born. I've both OPERATED and
DESIGNED and BUILT (protoype) radios over MORE of
the EM spectrum than amateurs have been allowed
to in the 71 year life of the FCC.

But the fact remains that you continue to make errors, almost on a
weekly basis, about Amateur Radio practice and policy.

Had you not STARTED
it, perhaps we'd be carrying on a different conversation today.

1. I didn't "start" anything but an opposition to
the morse code test for an AMATEUR radio license.

You are a liar.

You started in on the "Nazi", thugs", etc etc etc. Deja'd,
Googled, filed for posterity.

3. I began and was QUALIFED to operate high-power HF
transmitters in 1953...(SNIP)

You were qualified to MAINTAIN those radios. You were not a
qualified operator.

(UNSNIPhaven't bothered much to
get AUTHORIZATION to do so as an amateur...even
though I've legally operated on HF (last year,
from a sailboat, SSB 20 W PEP) without ANY radio
license. Sunnuvagun!

Actually that was year-before-last, Lennie...Or so your rants have
gone...

No more or no less than you are the role model of today's
electronics engineer.

I do NOT try to be any "role model of an engineer."

It is impossible
to be so ONE-SIDED and stubborn as you've shown
in these "discussions" and still hold a job.

I am not interviewing with you for a job. I wouldn't work for a
habitual liar like you, Lennie...

I've held my jobs, never been fired or "told to leave."

No doubt. But you've not been asked back to at least one.

Probably more.

The name of this newsgroup's game seems to be
junior high name-calling, posturing and
preening over "seven hostile actions" and other
wannabe stuff. [try for "HALO drop" one of the
classic pipe-dreams of Stebie] Makes it even
tougher for any newcomer to show interest in any
hobby radio when all these middle-school drop-
outs wanna be the Dill Instructor, closing the
main gate to all but "their kind."

"Their kind", Lennie...?!?!

I've put far more NCT's into licenses than I have Extras.

I DO know that pleanty of new hams are licensed every day...with
AND without Morse Code skills. I know...I help a lot of them get here.

How many kids have YOU helped into an electronics career or
Amateur Radio, Lennie...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

From: "K4YZ" on Mon,May 2 2005 6:31 am

wrote:
From: "K4YZ" on Sun,May 1 2005 5:42 am

etc...

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Poor Stebie...still envious AND
FRUSTRATED. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Nope...Not frustrated, Lennie...but just amazed at how much time
you ahd on your hands to try and redirect from your own newsgroup
silliness.

"Ahd?" :-)

Tsk, tsk, I'm retired from regular hours, can set my
own hours. [sunnuvagun!]

"Silliness?" :-) Poor Stebie spends much time
on here attacking EVERYONE who doesn't agree with
him. Tsk, tsk, that is visible "silliness" to all
in here.

As to "redirect," you have it backwards as usual.
You must understand that your INSULTS against all
who disagree with you are NOT all your way and
that those who object to your personal attacks on
them and respond is NOT a "redirect" of anything
except your fantasy of being able to control this
newsgroup's content.

Example...you make NEW threads in here with the
sole purpose of insulting and/or attempting to
intimidate others...such as this "new" thread.

You were a readio mechanic.

"Readio?" Reallio?

Typo. My Bad. You were still only a radio mechanic.

Tsk, tsk, tsk..."mechanics" were in the motor
pool doing maintenance on vehicles.

Poor Stebie, never having had the opportunity
of working REAL military communications thinks
that all non-amateur "operating" is done as if
in amateur radio. :-)

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Primary MOS of Microwave Radio Relay
Operation and Maintenance Supervisor.

M A I N T E N A N C E.

As in "mechanic".

W R O N G :-)

O P E R A T I O N and maintenance. That's what
the U.S. Army stated it to be and still does.
The definition for similar MOSs in the USN and
USAF say the same. Stebie, the military of today
and for the last half century have NOT done REAL
radio O P E R A T I O N in an amateur fashion of
one-operator-one-readio[sic]-pseQSL-UR599OM. :-)

Maybe the USMC did it that way? Must be if the
role model of today's murine says so... :-)

Secondary MOS
of Fixed Station (transmitters) Radio Operation and
Maintenance Supervisor...and a few other little duties
such as Carrier Operation and Maintenance (not that
those Western Electric units had either drift or
failure). The VHF-UHF radio relay equipment operation
and maintenance fell under my primary MOS.

Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.

R A D I O M E C H A N I C.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...little Stebie fists his pudgy
hands, pounds on the table, whines like a baby
while REWRITING the United States military radio
experience, definitions, and mission.

Not one word of "OPERATOR" in there...Thanks for backing me up,
Lennie.

Tsk. Stebie must have tears of anger in his eyes
clouding his vision. :-)

Sorry, nursie, but OPERATING IS the name of
the game in REAL, non-amateur radio operation for
REAL communications, military OR civilian. The
military and the civilian communications people
do OPERATING. Regardless of your trying to
control the definitions. They've done that for
over a half century, longer than you've been
alive (loosely speaking on 'alive').

OPERATION to REAL communications folks means
KEEPING THE OPERATION GOING. To me, to them,
it isn't taking recreational pleasure in front
of a ready-built ricebox "tuning the bands" and
diddling a morse key when not skimming pages of
QST and dreaming of pioneer days in radio long
before your time.

But, Stebie, not having been IN the REAL radio
communications activity, just doesn't know what
OPERATING means other than playing with his
readios [sic].

Period. You were not a message
center clerk...You were not responsible for determining operating
frequencies, modes, etc.

Tsk, tsk. The Chief Signal Officer, Washington DC,
did that sort of deciding for ALL involved in ACAN -
STARCOM - DCS and still does for all the alphabet
soup organization evolvement that followed after the
1960s.

You were not a message center clerk...You were not responsible
for
determining operating frequencies, modes, etc.

I "was not a message center clerk?" Tsk, tsk.
You said I WAS, more than once. Have you
forgotten? [of course you have and you will be
demanding I produce the 'quote' from Google
archives, claiming you never said that! :-) ]

Actually, for the one month spent in ADA Control,
I actually could determine which operating
frequencies to use...depending on the signal
reports generated by Receivers for the various
radio circuits...and the permission of the Duty
Officer, of course. There was a selection of
frequencies, all fixed and crystal controlled
back in the 1950s...no ALE then, no synthesizers
and no "VFOs" to diddle in Fixed Station
OPERATION. Signal strengths were HONEST, not
the gratuitous "599" used by too many hams...
too many others could see the same recorder
charts of carrier signal strength out at Camp
Owada (Receiver site shared with the USAF).

"Not responsible for modes..." OF COURSE NOT.
If the Chief Signal Office said that the San
Francisco radio circuit would have a 4-channel
SSB of 4 KW PEP -and- 4-TTY-via-MUX RTTY
circuit of 10 KW RF output, WE - the entire
station - WOULD OPERATE THAT and do it 24/7!
ON DEFINITE, ASSIGNED FREQUENCIES, ALLOWING
CHOICE ONLY BASED ON PROPAGATION CONDITIONS.

REAL communications providers don't "work the
bands" diddling with VFOs (and your alleged
"greatness in tuning ability" - haw - that
you "deserve to be called extra!"). In REAL
communications on 24/7 assignment, one IS
on frequency until ordered to change.

Big snippage of usual stuff.

...because little Stebie REFUSES TO LEARN
HOW *REAL* COMMUNICATIONS PEOPLE DO THINGS.

Little Stebie, the Avenging Angle of Dearth,
wants only to INSULT, DEFAME, DENIGRATE all
those who disagree with him! Poor Stebie.

1. This forum is NOT for Stebie's experiences with
the Commanding General of the First Marine Air
Wing in NINETINE EIGHTY ONE!!! [24 years ago]

Nope. But It was one of SEVERAL assignments that placed me in a
position to OPERATE radios...Something you've not done.

TSK, TSK, TSK. Stebie da wundermurine must give
his "definition" of "operating" readios [sic].

So far, Stebie hasn't shown a single REFERENCE to
ACTUALLY PROVE he did ANYTHING! He keeps getting
things W R O N G on "operating radio in the
military." Tsk, tsk, tsk. He keeps thinking that
all radios are "operated" by acting like radio
amateurs. United States military communications,
the REAL thing, not the MARS recreational/morale
stuff, is done in a PROFESSIONAL manner.

2. This forum is NOT for Stebie's BRAGS of mighty
murine service in 'SEVEN HOSTILE ACTIONS!'

"murine"...What's "murine", other than a commercial eye care
product.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you don't get it, do you? :-)

Robeson is EYEWASH. Sterile solution, "medically
approved" only in that it doesn't harm the eyes.

BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TEMPER FRY little man.

3. This forum is NOT for Stebie's BRAGS of prowess
in SUTURING or about his "medical qualifications."

Wasn't bragging, Lennie.

HOW DO WE KNOW? WHY SHOULD WE CARE?

:-)

Does suture tying have ANYTHING to do with RADIO
OPERATING?!? :-)

Keeping a bedpan handy might be good for all the
"radiosport" contesters who like to rack up points.
[nurses have to handle bedpans...before and after]
Note: Few wastebaskets are waterproof and keeping
one under the desk for those contest days can only
harm the flooring.

4. This forum is NOT for Stebie's continuing
refusal to admit that MARS is NOT "run by
amateurs." MARS is run by the MILITARY.

However this ISpromulgate a lie by trying to perpetuate that
lie, Lennie.

The Avenging Angle of Dearth keeps up his
psychological syndrome of Projection...trying to
project his own acts on those of his "opponents."

Poor guy needs some mental therapy.

Let's take "operator" again. Stebie said "I never
'operated'" a radio. That is at odds with both the
old and new definitions of the USA Signal Corps,
J-6 of the JCS, lots and lots of definitions in
lots of USN publications, the civilian world in
MANY places such as dictionaries (try the huge
IEEE one, all concerned with ALL electronics...
which includes radio). Stebie keeps trying to
REWRITE everything in his OWN image...or fantasy.

I have - most definitely - OPERATED military
radios IN the military as both serviceperson AND
as a civilian. OPERATED - by anyone's REAL
definition - but not in Stebieworld. What's
really bad is that I have both text and photos
of me doing just that, some available on the
Internet for anyone to see. Does Stebie have
that? No? Tsk, tsk. We can all access QRZ and
see a middle-aged male (?) in a flight suit
sitting somewhere at some time. Is he OPERATING
A RADIO? No. He just sitting there, scowling
at the camera. Tsk, tsk. [get those teeth
fixed so you can show a proper smile sometime]

Stebie's "proof" of his military prowess is "in
his wallet" or, in other words, out of sight,
out of hearing. He say we got no business to
see all that, he "doesn't have to show it."
Tsk. Stebie doesn't have to be BELIEVED, either.

Hans Brakob has DEFINITELY been IN the military,
has OPERATED RADIO! He KNOWS what military
radio operation IS. Hans says all the words
which ARE FAMILIAR to the rest of us who HAVE
OPERATED military radio. Stebie don't talk
like dat, he mumble insults an' say everybody
else LIE! Tsk, tsk, tsk.

I never said that MARS was not run by the military, Lennie.

Tsk. You will NOT say that the military DOES
RUN MARS! :-) Department of Defense DOES
DIRECT MARS. You've been shown the link to the
very definition of that DIRECTIVE, visible to
anyone accessing the DoD. You've been shown
the link to OFFICIAL MARS HISTORY from the U.S.
Army that ORIGINATED MARS. You've been shown
the link to access the Army's MARS Headquarters
at Fort Huachuca. Have you checked those
references? No? You still want to flame others
for not agreeing with your - now classic -
"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" :-)

Failure to validate that assertion is yet another LennieLie.

Merde! The Avenging Angle of Dearth keeps up his
silly PROJECTION syndrome!

I HAVE said, and correctly so, that No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie got a bedpan over his
eyes. MARS exists because the DoD has DIRECTED
its existance. MARS has, and continues to run,
exercises WITHOUT amateur volunteers. Try
reading the MARS headquarters' statements instead
of getting all your 'readio' information from
ham magazines.

Sunnuvagun! Participation in the MARS program is predicated upon
having an AMATEUR RADIO LICENSE...Remember...The one YOU said you
didn't need to have to be a MARS participant.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are attempting "logical
wordplay" again and FAIL. :-)

MARS operators (in everyone else's definition of
operator, not Stebie's) IN the military have to
OPERATE their radios according to the commands
they are given to do so. :-)

Hello? The "M" in MARS is "MILITARY." Are you
getting the connection? Yet?

BULL####. Don't you PCTAs give that song and dance.
You PCTAs can't dance and your singing voices are as
flat as the 1930's attempted revival of vaudeville.

Ahhhhhhhhhh....More profanity to fill in the holes...

So...how many times has Stebie used the word PUTZ?

Calling someone a PENIS HEAD (translation of the
colloquial Yiddish pejorative "putz") is NOT
profanity?!?!? Ah, yes, in Stebieworld, such is
profanity only IF it is directed TO Stebie...Stebie
can say ANYTHING he wants. :-) And does! :-)

How about "pathological liar?" How many times has
Stebie used such "civil" (in Stebieland) discourse?
We - us readers - have lost count.

Tsk, tsk, Stebie do his PROJECTION syndrome again
and again, refusing to admit to wrongness and
blaming everyone else for HIS faults.

Tsk, tsk, a "marine" with "seven hostile actions"
becoming disturbed about profanity?!?!?

:-)

TSK, TSK, TSK. I'm a PROFESSIONAL in radio, have been
since 1953.

You are still not licensed in nor ahve any practical experience
in AMATEUR RADIO communications.

Which means WHAT, little man?

AMATEUR RADIO is NOT a business, NOT a guild, NOT a
union, NOT a military service, NOT a civilian
service. It is a recreational hobby pursuit, done
for personal pleasure. Voluntary.

AMATEUR RADIO works by the SAME physical laws as
every other radio. [regardless of what some extras
think it does]

AMATEUR RADIO in the United States is regulated by
the same federal agency as EVERY OTHER CIVIL RADIO
SERVICE in the United States. No exceptions.

Since the U.S. federal government regulates it, that
allows ANY CITIZEN to exercise their CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHTS to communicate with their government on ANY
regulatory matter. [sunnuvagun!]

So, little man, regardless of whether I "ahve" [sic]
an AMATEUR radio license or not (I have a commercial
radio license), it only matters to CONTROL FREAKS
like yourself who can't seem to cow others into
acknowledging their self-defined (unauthorized)
"leadership" over others! :-)

BTW, this is NOT a moderated newsgroup. Try under-
standing (I know that is so hard for you) that YOU
do NOT control the content nor anyone else's
personal OPINION...of anything. You do NOT control
who has access here nor are you "judge" of anything
anywhere but in your own fevered little mind.

But the fact remains that you continue to make errors, almost on
a
weekly basis, about Amateur Radio practice and policy.

NO, sweetie, the "fact" does NOT "remain."

You are W R O N G.

Understand that Stebie's personal OPINION of
anything is NOT law. It is seldom reality.

The Avenging Angle of Dearth and "veteran of
seven hostile actions" does not appear to live
in reality. It may be too harsh for him...
unknown...none of us can appreciate his
psychosis?

Yes, I DISAGREE on many of the things that
the PCTA Double Standard extras think are
"correct" and "right" and "how things should
be." But, that disagreement does NOT mean that
such is "wrong." That disagreement would ONLY
be WRONG to the control freaks who demand
obediance to the control freaks' commands.

Stebie, cut the bull####. I began in HF radio
before you were born. I've both OPERATED and
DESIGNED and BUILT (protoype) radios over MORE of
the EM spectrum than amateurs have been allowed
to in the 71 year life of the FCC.

But the fact remains that you continue to make errors, almost on a
weekly basis, about Amateur Radio practice and policy.

NO, sweetie, the "fact" does NOT "remain."

You are W R O N G.

Understand that Stebie's personal OPINION of
anything is NOT law. It is seldom reality.

The Avenging Angle of Dearth and "veteran of
seven hostile actions" does not appear to live
in reality. It may be too harsh for him...
unknown...none of us can appreciate his
psychosis?

Yes, I DISAGREE on many of the things that
the PCTA Double Standard extras think are
"correct" and "right" and "how things should
be." But, such disagreement does NOT mean
that it is "wrong." :-)

What IS wrong is trying to make everyone
conform to your particular view of things.

1. I didn't "start" anything but an opposition to
the morse code test for an AMATEUR radio license.

You are a liar.

No. :-) Ask Jim Kehler, KH2D. He was in here then.
You were NOT.

You started in on the "Nazi", thugs", etc etc etc. Deja'd,
Googled, filed for posterity.

Noooooo. :-) Only when some ex-Gomer Pyle
jumped in, waving his swagger stick (or was
that swaggering his waving stick?), and
making like a ham version of Chesty Puller.

That's ALL in Google...and saved to put up
your posterior, er, posterity...

Let's see...if someone struts like a Nazi,
shouts like a Nazi, looks like a Nazi, then
might very well BE a Nazi! [sunnuvagun!]

But in Stebie (da Avenging Angle of Dearth)
messaging, he be little more than Hitler
Youth after too many "hostile actions." :-)

3. I began and was QUALIFED to operate high-power HF
transmitters in 1953...(SNIP)

You were qualified to MAINTAIN those radios. You were not a
qualified operator.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Stebie da wundermurine is now
calling the UNITED STATES MILIARY A LIAR.
Official orders said what I wrote in here.
Orders of the Signal Corps, United States
Army. Official pictures taken by an official
Signal photographer state that I was
OPERATING a big radio transmitter...all in
the official officialese of mimeo on the
photo back, along with ID of the USA.

"Qualified." Who is to judge of things in
1953 to 1956? Stebie da wundermurine? Noooo.
That was before/during/just-after Stebie
was born (probably with a congenital scowl).
Stebie born with "qualifications" to judge
who is "qualified?" :-)

Maybe Stebie wanna call the FCC a LIAR!?!
Got First 'Phone in Chicago office of FCC
in 1956. FCC say I was "qualified," but,
more importantly, gave me AUTHORIZATION!
[sunnuvagun!]

I am not interviewing with you for a job.

Tsk. You aren't QUALIFIED to hold a Human
Resources job. Personnel folks have to be
human first...

I wouldn't work for a habitual liar like you, Lennie...

Sweat not, little man. I wouldn't even
process the paperwork sent up by Personnel
for your interview. I'd stick a little
Post-It note on there and define you as
"fulla****" for applying as a Purchasing
Agent.

I've held my jobs, never been fired or "told to leave."

No doubt. But you've not been asked back to at least one.

WRONG. Worked for Hughes Aircraft Company
twice...Missle Division in Canoga Park, CA,
the second time, first time at El Segundo
Division.

Probably more.

Oh, and in case you are going to try that old
"NADC thing" again, let me remind you of the
REAL facts: I was there as a field representative
FOR RCA Corporation on their SECANT R&D contract
for system flight tests. Allatime getting paid
by RCA, not the USN, and remaining with RCA
afterwards. Never, ever "tried to get a job
there" as you kept saying for years LONG after
the fact. :-)

"Their kind", Lennie...?!?!

I've put far more NCT's into licenses than I have Extras.

Show the proof. :-)

Are their names logged in with your famous
"seven hostile actions?" :-) Was one of them
the Commanding General of the First Marine Air
Wing in 1981? :-) Maybe their names are in your
box of medals? :-)

I DO know that pleanty of new hams are licensed every day...with
AND without Morse Code skills. I know...I help a lot of them get
here.

Again, SHOW YOUR PROOF of your "help."

Tsk, tsk, if you "help" like you carry on
in here, you would NOT be authorized to be in
any ham radio recruiting office...you'd have
your portrait on the Post Office walls...as
one of the "most wanted."

How many kids have YOU helped into an electronics career or
Amateur Radio, Lennie...?!?!

I don't know about "kids," Stebie, but anyone who
asked me about electronics as a hobby or about
electronics as a PROFESSION would get a courteous
explanation, information sources, and pointers on
where to get more information. I am in both and
have been for a long time...a hobbyist since '47
and a professional since '52.

Radio is only a part of the entire, huge field of
technology called electronics. I am a member of
the Institute for Electrical and Electronics
Engineering (IEEE) which is a worldwide professional
association and has about a quarter million members
(I could get the exact number but some flamers
want to quibble about minutae). I find the whole
huge field of electronics and electricity fascinating
and never regretted getting into it. It has been
rewarding to me both personally and financially.

Like any association, the IEEE has its own self-
promotion agenda and programs. I don't always
agree on those agenda, perferring to promote
interest at my own level with others in my group
of professional acquaintences. That isn't
restricted to "kids" or schoolchildren, either as
a hobby or as a profession. Some in here like to
say "the right" way to get into either is THEIR
way. Not so. The only "right" way is to show an
interest and become educated in what it is about.
There are NO "requirements" to "show dedication
or committment" in a HOBBY...that's an
artificiality imposed by certain membership
groups...largely to wave their own self-patriotic
flags.

I've never kept a "body count" on "recruitment."
Neither have I attempted to brainwash any kiddies
(teen agers, actually) at a couple of magnet
schools. Straight talk, no group-self-patriotic
bull****. One MUST have the personality and
sense of speaking-and-being-understood in such
efforts. Without it the audience, whether teens
or adults, will listen if one can present a point
about the subject. I have experience in that and
some good, praised qualities for that but it's not
my favorite thing to do now. Heh, I used to teach
others how to do presentations...including having
a "hostile" audience. Not hecklers, those that
didn't want to learn anything. The best one can
hope for there is that they got some information
and - maybe - changed their minds. It doesn't
hurt to know a few actors in the acting
profession (I do) who can give pointers. :-)

Now, give the rest of us Stebie's definition of
OPERATING...and keep saying that everyone who
doesn't agree with Stebie is a "LIAR." Nobody
should expect otherwise... :-)

From: bb on May 7, 9:38 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

Now, give the rest of us Stebie's definition of
OPERATING...and keep saying that everyone who
doesn't agree with Stebie is a "LIAR." Nobody
should expect otherwise... :-)

What hasn't Steve/K4YZ crapped on?

Steven J Robeson K4YZ K4CAP suffers from excrementia.

K4CAP is not an active callsign, Brian.

Probably never was. Just some Bozo collecting cool callsigns.

LOTS of them. Credentialism. Good substitute for
being able at something...

Why do you conntinue to make such glaring errors?

Typical Robeson Slant and Rant.

I said no such thing. You assume that I said that K4CAP was an active

callsign, or you just lied. I think the latter.

Active or not, it was issued to you, Bozo.

True enough. Note that it HAD to have "CAP" in the callsign.
Very Important for the pudgies in poopy suits.

However, Robeson has NOT stated what he thinks "operating"
is. Tsk, tsk, I will accept what the United States Government
has described, especially the U.S. Army who said I was at
least three different kinds of OPERATOR during my years of
military service. Stebie disagrees with the United States
Government. Tsk, tsk.

It's making
foolish errors that has made you the fool you are today.

Steve, K4YZ

Your misredirection failed miserably. I've just shown you to be the
fool that I say you are.

Poor Stebie, once again with Projection on others what his own
faults are. I don't know why he keeps that up. It doesn't work
and annoys all the readers.

Such misdirection (onto "personal faults" of others) might get him
away from defining what Stebie thinks as "operator" is, but I doubt
he has the courage (or conviction) to state that. Even if he did,
it
would be something about ham radio style "operating." :-) The
United States military communications groups are PROFESSIONAL
in all aspects, not amateur radio hobbyists. shrug

wrote in message
ups.com...
From: bb on May 7, 9:38 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

Now, give the rest of us Stebie's definition of
OPERATING...and keep saying that everyone who
doesn't agree with Stebie is a "LIAR." Nobody
should expect otherwise... :-)

What hasn't Steve/K4YZ crapped on?

Steven J Robeson K4YZ K4CAP suffers from excrementia.

K4CAP is not an active callsign, Brian.

Probably never was. Just some Bozo collecting cool callsigns.

LOTS of them. Credentialism. Good substitute for
being able at something...

Why do you conntinue to make such glaring errors?

Typical Robeson Slant and Rant.

I said no such thing. You assume that I said that K4CAP was an active

callsign, or you just lied. I think the latter.

Active or not, it was issued to you, Bozo.

True enough. Note that it HAD to have "CAP" in the callsign.
Very Important for the pudgies in poopy suits.

However, Robeson has NOT stated what he thinks "operating"
is. Tsk, tsk, I will accept what the United States Government
has described, especially the U.S. Army who said I was at
least three different kinds of OPERATOR during my years of
military service. Stebie disagrees with the United States
Government. Tsk, tsk.

It's making
foolish errors that has made you the fool you are today.

Steve, K4YZ

Your misredirection failed miserably. I've just shown you to be the
fool that I say you are.

Poor Stebie, once again with Projection on others what his own
faults are. I don't know why he keeps that up. It doesn't work
and annoys all the readers.

Such misdirection (onto "personal faults" of others) might get him
away from defining what Stebie thinks as "operator" is, but I doubt
he has the courage (or conviction) to state that. Even if he did,
it
would be something about ham radio style "operating." :-) The
United States military communications groups are PROFESSIONAL
in all aspects, not amateur radio hobbyists. shrug

Hello, Len

It just might be what a particular operator is familiar with. Back when (in
the 60s) the military used a lot of HF point to point communications, they
(the radiomen) were familiar with having to change frequencies, how to set
crypto gear, and many other things. One thing they were *not* familiar with
was how to handle a strong signal.

When the communications station attempted to re-establish communications
with Saipan, Hans, K0HB, was sent to Saipan. The communications station
kept telling him he was "loud, but garbled". Big hint - too much signal for
the local oscillator injection to properly demodulate the ssb. I called
Hans from the hamshack (KG6AAY) and we (the hams) ended up not only
establishing communications but got orders to pass traffic from Saipan to
Commander, Naval Forces Marianas directly.

I also recall whilst aboard ship we lost the "broadcast" - multiplex signals
for many channels of teletypes. The problem was that we were getting to
close to the station and we were in a skip zone. I suggested to the chief
that we try LF (low frequency). He didn't think it would work, but said to
give it a try as everything else was out. On LF, the signal was
overpowering. In a few minutes, the broadcast was back up and running.

In both of these instances, it was the hams that had the proper experience.

I shan't go much further than to say that one day whilst aboard ship, we
received an SOS on 500 KHz. It turns out that only *two* of us could
actually copy Morse at any reasonable speed. I don't know about the other
guy, but I was an amateur extra and also had a commercial telegraph license.
The military radioman were *supposed* to be able to copy 16 words per minute
to graduate from A school.

Sorry to shoot your "professional" theory down. You aren't totally wrong,
of course; it is what happens when the *unexpected* happens.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Hello, Len

It just might be what a particular operator is familiar with. Back when
(in
the 60s) the military used a lot of HF point to point communications, they
(the radiomen) were familiar with having to change frequencies, how to set
crypto gear, and many other things. One thing they were *not* familiar
with
was how to handle a strong signal.

When the communications station attempted to re-establish communications
with Saipan, Hans, K0HB, was sent to Saipan. The communications station
kept telling him he was "loud, but garbled". Big hint - too much signal
for
the local oscillator injection to properly demodulate the ssb. I called
Hans from the hamshack (KG6AAY) and we (the hams) ended up not only
establishing communications but got orders to pass traffic from Saipan to
Commander, Naval Forces Marianas directly.

I also recall whilst aboard ship we lost the "broadcast" - multiplex
signals
for many channels of teletypes. The problem was that we were getting to
close to the station and we were in a skip zone. I suggested to the chief
that we try LF (low frequency). He didn't think it would work, but said
to
give it a try as everything else was out. On LF, the signal was
overpowering. In a few minutes, the broadcast was back up and running.

In both of these instances, it was the hams that had the proper
experience.

I shan't go much further than to say that one day whilst aboard ship, we
received an SOS on 500 KHz. It turns out that only *two* of us could
actually copy Morse at any reasonable speed. I don't know about the other
guy, but I was an amateur extra and also had a commercial telegraph
license.
The military radioman were *supposed* to be able to copy 16 words per
minute
to graduate from A school.

Sorry to shoot your "professional" theory down. You aren't totally wrong,
of course; it is what happens when the *unexpected* happens.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

My gosh, I never knew. It is nothing short of a miracle that the today's
active military forces can still attain any level of readiness, with you and
Hans no longer on active duty.

73,

Sparky

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

Steven J Robeson K4YZ K4CAP suffers from excrementia.

K4CAP is not an active callsign, Brian.

Probably never was. Just some Bozo collecting cool callsigns.

More idiocy. Why do you keep doing this to yourself, Brian?

By "more idiocy" are you claiming that the callsign was never issued
to
you, or that you never activated the callsign, or that it wasn't a
cool
callsign, or that you're not Bozo?

By "more idiocy" I am claiming that you are an idiot. Was it
really that hard to figure out?

And I am not "collecting" callsigns. callsigns are an
admistrative tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Be specific, but precise. Limit your answer to 200 words or less.

OK.

Brian P Burke is an idiot. He's a habitual liar who must find
ways to hide his cowardice and inadequacies. His current
"documentation" rant in the face of verifiable references is proof.

He makes assinine assertions that are easily disproven with
information from third party sources. He is inept at telling the truth.

There...that was 54 words. Beat your "200 words or less"
challenge by almost 75%.

Next.

Why do you conntinue to make such glaring errors?

Typical Robeson Slant and Rant.

"Slant and Rant"..?!?! A new spin to hide your failed efforts
to
hide yuor own mistruths and cowardice, Brian P...?!?!

So why did you attempt to diss your K4CAP call? Convenience?

I didn't "diss" it. You are appending it to current threads as if
it were current.

It's not. But doing so when anyone else can check QRZ for
themselves DOES make YOU look like the idiot I am claiming you to be,
so please...be my guest...

I said no such thing. You assume that I said that K4CAP was an
active
callsign, or you just lied. I think the latter.

You're attaching it to your posts as if it were an active
callsign. That's not factual. Anyone who accesses "QRZ.COM" knows
you're off base, Brian.

K4CAP was not issued to you? You didn't tag tour RRAP posts with
K4CAP?

It's not my current callsign...Anymore than T5/N0IMD is yours.

Slant and Rant is your trademark.

Oh...?!?! I've never filed for trademark protection.

Why are you making yet another public lie, Brain?

Active or not, it was issued to you, Bozo.

"Bozo" now! Getting a bit miffed that your attempts to get
around
the fact that you've been bested again, eh, Brain...???

If K4CAP was not issued to you, and if your never posted to RRAP with
the tagline of K4CAP, then you indeed have bested me.

K4CAP was issued to me. It no longer is.

Your use of it aas if it were makes you look foolish.

Do you enjoy looking foolish, Brain?

(That was a rhetoical question...we all know you do....)

But the archives say you lie.

No they don't.

But they've sure got you by the short hairs, Brian....

It's making
foolish errors that has made you the fool you are today.

Steve, K4YZ

Your misredirection failed miserably. I've just shown you to be
the
fool that I say you are.

You've shown nothing,

I've shown your to be a fool and a liar. Again. It's so easy - I
don't know why you keep coming back for more? You must love
humiliation.

Still waiting for you to show where a lie on my part occured,
Brain...

On the OTHER hand, we're still waiting for your reference as to
what unlicensed devices play a "major role" in emergency comms".

And who was that anonymous Air Force officer who allegedly
approved your T5 operation...?!?!

And P-U-H-L-E-E-E-Z-E tell us where all those Techs got run off
to. Maybe they are hiding with all those ARES guys wo aren't
responding...?!?!

except that you are making a fool out of
yourself by addressing me with a callsign that I've not held for 2
years.

You've made that callsign infamous with your never ending Slants and
Rants on RRAP. Idiot.

There's an idiot here, alrught, Brain...your wife kissed him
good-bye this morning...

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote

callsigns are an admistrative tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Darn! For over 40 years I've been using mine as an operating and identification
tool. Silly me!

de Hans, K0HB

K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

callsigns are an admistrative tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Darn! For over 40 years I've been using mine as an operating and
identification
tool. Silly me!

They are that too, Hans...But no different than your telephone
number, Zip Code or ip address...

73

Steve, K4YZ

From: "Jim Hampton" on Sun,May 8 2005 4:26 pm

wrote in message
oups.com...
From: bb on May 7, 9:38 pm

K4YZ wrote:
bb wrote:
wrote:

would be something about ham radio style "operating." :-) The
United States military communications groups are PROFESSIONAL
in all aspects, not amateur radio hobbyists. shrug

It just might be what a particular operator is familiar with. Back
when (in
the 60s) the military used a lot of HF point to point communications,
they
(the radiomen) were familiar with having to change frequencies, how to
set
crypto gear, and many other things. One thing they were *not*
familiar with
was how to handle a strong signal.

[heh...I could see what was coming before reading further]

When the communications station attempted to re-establish
communications
with Saipan, Hans, K0HB, was sent to Saipan. The communications
station
kept telling him he was "loud, but garbled". Big hint - too much
signal for
the local oscillator injection to properly demodulate the ssb. I
called
Hans from the hamshack (KG6AAY) and we (the hams) ended up not only
establishing communications but got orders to pass traffic from Saipan
to
Commander, Naval Forces Marianas directly.

So...an anecdote from USN days is suddenly a Standard
Operating Procedure? Or a professional dissertation on
how certain others are "completely 'wrong'?" :-)

Two things, perhaps three, come to mind here.

First of all, the HF military receivers of the 60s era,
typified by the R-388s and R-390s, all had RF GAIN
controls. NOT a problem to handle the alleged "overloads"
of strong signal length. There are ADDITIONAL controls
for attenuation, not only on the receivers but on their
outboard Converters for TTY or SSB separation. Were
all the "S Meters" on those receivers inoperative?

Secondly, a transmitter could have been deliberately
mistuned (without damage to itself) to reduce the
signal power output. Non-standard, but that would have
been a possibility...such as toss a wire out the window
(porthole?) and tune that up. :-)

Third, how did YOU "know" the garble WAS "intermodulation
distortion" if you didn't have any way of determining
the incoming signal strength? I'm familiar with the
characteristics of U.S. military receivers of the 60s
(through testing to spec. and for other, specialized
applications)...and those have a rather wide dynamic
signal strength range with or without the deliberate
attenuation via RF GAIN setting.

I also recall whilst aboard ship we lost the "broadcast" - multiplex
signals
for many channels of teletypes.

Sounds like the common "commercial format" SSB that's
been around since the 30s...12 KHz wide modulation
spectrum, the outer 6 KHz carrying 4 to 12 TTY tone
pairs. One needs the Converters (outboard) to
separate them and all the Converters I've seen all
have separate level-setting controls...as do the
"carrier" equipments that separate out the individual
TTY signals.

The problem was that we were getting to
close to the station and we were in a skip zone. I suggested to the
chief
that we try LF (low frequency). He didn't think it would work, but
said to
give it a try as everything else was out. On LF, the signal was
overpowering. In a few minutes, the broadcast was back up and
running.

What are you saying there? Are you saying that LF
is "immune" from IM effects? [ain't so...]

The USN was running 12 KHz SSB on LF? Capable of it?
Doesn't sound likely. Please explain.

In both of these instances, it was the hams that had the proper
experience.

"Proper?" :-)

Your tale, oriented for the "lets all give each other high-
fives as hams for saving the world again" crowd in here is
a nice story. But, without some revealing details, it seems
little more than a STORY.

In that same era, in the USA, it was not uncommon
to have Field Radio AN/GRC-26 huts-and-trucks at
sites as close as 15 miles. They never had any
reported "overload to the point of garble" on their
single-channel TTY with AM voice communications
locally. "Angry-twenty-six" was typically 400 W
(CW) output carrying dipole and half-rhombic wire
antennas, using either R-388 or R-390 receivers.

Could it be - gasp, choke - that the Army guys
were "better" at communications than you sailors? :-)

I shan't go much further than to say that one day whilst aboard ship,
we
received an SOS on 500 KHz. It turns out that only *two* of us could
actually copy Morse at any reasonable speed. I don't know about the
other
guy, but I was an amateur extra and also had a commercial telegraph
license.
The military radioman were *supposed* to be able to copy 16 words per
minute
to graduate from A school.

There ya go! Another tale of "hams make the world
safe and show the pros how to do it via CW." :-)

Ho hum.

Why is it that the ENTIRE maritime world of radio
REJECTED morse code messaging for distress and
safety in favor of GMDSS? Tsk. I've heard all the
tales of "GMDSS won't work!" from all the retired
navy morsemen...but GMDSS continues to work...with
the approval of the maritime community. Tsk.

Field Radio MOSs in the Army of the 60s era ALSO
had to demonstrate morsemanship. Ho hum. The
Army field commanders insisted on using TTY
messaging just the same. There's NO need to
demonstrate morsemanship in ANY branches' radio
communications specialties today. NONE.

Sorry to shoot your "professional" theory down.

Just WHO were you aiming at? Wasn't me. I wasn't
hit by any "fire." :-)

Your airborne "spotter" must have been that TN CAP
ace, Stebie Robeson, former "ANCOIC" of Okinawa
MARS and PR Field Agent for ARRL recruiting. :-)

HE should have his wings clipped.

You aren't totally wrong,
of course; it is what happens when the *unexpected* happens.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Us ex-Army types just never had
"emergencies" or "weren't as good as hams?" :-)

Best you hike on down to the nearest office of
BuShips or whatever and inform THEM that they
are "all wrong" or even "partly wrong" and
re-insitute all that morsemanship training (to
keep the world safe through use of Sam's wonderful
code). Think of it as a "holy mission."

Peace be unto you. Amen.

wrote:

So...an anecdote from USN days...(SNIP)

Nothing about Amateur radio there.

Two things, perhaps three, come to mind here.

None of them about Amateur radio, I bet.

First of all, the HF military receivers of the 60s era...(SNIP)

Yep...I was right.

Secondly, a transmitter could have been deliberately
mistuned (without damage to itself) to reduce the
signal power output. Non-standard, but that would have
been a possibility...such as toss a wire out the window
(porthole?) and tune that up.

About radios...getting closer...

Third, how did YOU "know" the garble WAS "intermodulation
distortion" if you didn't have any way of determining
the incoming signal strength? I'm familiar with the
characteristics of U.S. military receivers of the 60s...(SNIP)

...and very little else...

I also recall whilst aboard ship we lost the "broadcast" - multiplex
signals
for many channels of teletypes.

Sounds like the common "commercial format" SSB that's
been around since the 30s...12 KHz wide modulation
spectrum, the outer 6 KHz carrying 4 to 12 TTY tone
pairs. One needs the Converters (outboard) to
separate them and all the Converters I've seen all
have separate level-setting controls...as do the
"carrier" equipments that separate out the individual
TTY signals.

Whoa...got through a whole paragraph without using the words "..in
the 1960's"...way to go Lennie! Think ya can make it to, say, 1973
anytime soon...?!?!

What are you saying there? Are you saying that LF
is "immune" from IM effects? [ain't so...]

The USN was running 12 KHz SSB on LF? Capable of it?
Doesn't sound likely. Please explain.

In both of these instances, it was the hams that had the proper
experience.

"Proper?"

Your tale, oriented for the "lets all give each other high-
fives as hams for saving the world again" crowd in here is
a nice story. But, without some revealing details, it seems
little more than a STORY.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...back to dissing anyone ELSE'S "story" as being
just that...a story...Now you'll give us YOUR version of a "true
story".

In that same era, in the USA, it was not uncommon
to have Field Radio AN/GRC-26 huts-and-trucks at
sites as close as 15 miles. They never had any
reported "overload to the point of garble" on their
single-channel TTY with AM voice communications
locally. "Angry-twenty-six" was typically 400 W
(CW) output carrying dipole and half-rhombic wire
antennas, using either R-388 or R-390 receivers.

Dang I'm good!

Could it be - gasp, choke - that the Army guys
were "better" at communications than you sailors?

...and even managed to throw in a "diss" to give it some polish!

There ya go! Another tale of "hams make the world
safe and show the pros how to do it via CW."

...and a "diss" for Amateur Radio.

Ho hum.

You got that right.

Why is it that the ENTIRE maritime world of radio
REJECTED morse code messaging for distress and
safety in favor of GMDSS? Tsk. I've heard all the
tales of "GMDSS won't work!" from all the retired
navy morsemen...but GMDSS continues to work...with
the approval of the maritime community. Tsk.

Here we go with the "jump off the cliff" mode of why Amateur radio
should be like Maritime or Armed Forces communications.

Field Radio MOSs in the Army of the 60s era ALSO
had to demonstrate morsemanship. Ho hum. The
Army field commanders insisted on using TTY
messaging just the same. There's NO need to
demonstrate morsemanship in ANY branches' radio
communications specialties today. NONE.

This forum is about A M A T E U R R A D I O....

Wishe we could get that across to ya, Lennie...

Sorry to shoot your "professional" theory down.

Just WHO were you aiming at? Wasn't me. I wasn't
hit by any "fire."

Guess that solidifies my opinion on your "professionalism"....

Your airborne "spotter" must have been that TN CAP
ace, Stebie Robeson, former "ANCOIC" of Okinawa
MARS and PR Field Agent for ARRL recruiting.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...THERE it is!

HE should have his wings clipped.

Not by a gutless punk like you, Lennie...At least I got the wings!
Still got your "student pilot certificate" locked away with that GROL
that you alleged expired...?!?!

You aren't totally wrong,
of course; it is what happens when the *unexpected* happens.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Us ex-Army types just never had
"emergencies" or "weren't as good as hams?"

Gee...All the other branches have "emergencies"...Maybe your LACK
of "emergencies" was due to a lack of proximity to any danger...?!?!

Best you hike on down to the nearest office of
BuShips or whatever and inform THEM that they
are "all wrong" or even "partly wrong" and
re-insitute all that morsemanship training (to
keep the world safe through use of Sam's wonderful
code). Think of it as a "holy mission."

Peace be unto you. Amen.

Diss, diss, and more diss.

Steve, K4YZ

From: "K4YZ (self-official Nett Kopp)" on Mon,May 9 2005 1:27 pm

wrote:

So...an anecdote from USN days...(SNIP)

Nothing about Amateur radio there.

Nothing about CAP...nothing about "SAREX," nothing
about Stebie at all!

Tsk, tsk, Stebie MUST make this thread HIS with
his immoderate MODERATION! :-)

Two things, perhaps three, come to mind here.

None of them about Amateur radio, I bet.

Nothing about Nursing...nothing about MARS on
Okinawa. Tsk.

First of all, the HF military receivers of the 60s era...(SNIP)

Yep...I was right.

Let's all hear it for Stebie's famous "seven hostile
actions" and his LAW-GIVING on Somalian radio! :-)

Whoa...got through a whole paragraph without using the words "..in
the 1960's"...way to go Lennie! Think ya can make it to, say, 1973
anytime soon...?!?!

No problem. In 1973 I became a full member of IEEE
while working on design of the RF section of a 1.6
GHz transponder, part of the RCA Corporation SECANT
R&D program.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...back to dissing anyone ELSE'S "story" as being
just that...a story...Now you'll give us YOUR version of a "true
story".

No "story" of mine. We are NOT talking about stebie's
"appointment as 'ANCOIC' of MARS on Okinawa in 1981."

Jim Hampton was NOT talking about Stebie's stupendous
technical wizardry and wondrous adventures on Guam.
Disappointed? You should be. Imagine...a whole
thread without Stebie heckling and jeckling like a
crow in a cornfield. :-)

Dang I'm good!

At WHAT?!? Acting like an ASSHOLE in public? Yes,
you do a credible job of that.

Here we go with the "jump off the cliff" mode of why Amateur
radio
should be like Maritime or Armed Forces communications.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You've forgotten the "memorable"
snarlings of the (late?) W0EX in here on how
GMDSS would NEVER WORK! :-)

This forum is about A M A T E U R R A D I O....

Wishe we could get that across to ya, Lennie...

"Wishe?" :-) You "wishe-washe?" :-)

Stebie needs to be reminded of something: This
newsgroup is NOT about the USMC, CAP, "SAREX"
whatevers, or being an "ANCOIC" on Okinawa in
the 1981s. It is NOT about "calling the VA to
get the real info on Stebie da wundermurine."
It is NOT about Stebie's "battles" with his
"opponents" and how "bad/wrong/ignorant" they
are. It is NOT about Stebie at all!

Not by a gutless punk like you, Lennie...At least I got the wings!
Still got your "student pilot certificate" locked away with that GROL
that you alleged expired...?!?!

"Gutless punk?!?" :-) :-)

You have "wings?" Gosh, we all thought you were
flapping your keyboard jaw in here... :-)

I got my FIRST CLASS RADIOTELEPHONE (COMMERCIAL)
RADIO OPERATORS LICENSE in 1956 in the Chicago
field office of the FCC. Had Stebie been toilet
trained then? No? Tsk, he still needs that
training...

The FCC turned the Commercial 'Phone classes into a
single General Radiotelephone Operator License many
years later. FCC also decreased the NECESSITY of
requiring any "GROL" for most NON-amateur radio
transmission. I keep my last COMMERCIAL license in
the safety-deposit box...hardly worth keeping now
except as a memento.

Gee...All the other branches have "emergencies"...Maybe your LACK
of "emergencies" was due to a lack of proximity to any danger...?!?!

Okay, Last Action Hero, let's all hear about the
When and Where of YOUR "seven hostile actions!"

Let's all hear about how you fought the enemy as
a mighty murine being aircraft ground support at
the airstrip! Get lots of wounds in that "front-
line" FIGHTING? How many medals for "heroism?"

Tsk, tsk. All I got was a Good Conduct ribbon,
didn't even get the medal...and being stationed
in Tokyo, Japan. NOT front-line duty like mighty
murine Stebie. :-)

Diss, diss, and more diss.

Poor Stebie. Thought the thread was HIS, had to
snarl and growl and heckle and jeckle his
"opponents." :-)

Good luck on your new appointment as U.S. Amateur
Radio Extra recruitment representative. Let's all
hope you get customers at your post office office
and NOT your picture on the posters at the post
office. :-)

Temper fry...

"Sparky" wrote in message
...
Hello, Len

It just might be what a particular operator is familiar with. Back when
(in
the 60s) the military used a lot of HF point to point communications,
they
(the radiomen) were familiar with having to change frequencies, how to
set
crypto gear, and many other things. One thing they were *not* familiar
with
was how to handle a strong signal.

When the communications station attempted to re-establish communications
with Saipan, Hans, K0HB, was sent to Saipan. The communications station
kept telling him he was "loud, but garbled". Big hint - too much signal
for
the local oscillator injection to properly demodulate the ssb. I called
Hans from the hamshack (KG6AAY) and we (the hams) ended up not only
establishing communications but got orders to pass traffic from Saipan to
Commander, Naval Forces Marianas directly.

I also recall whilst aboard ship we lost the "broadcast" - multiplex
signals
for many channels of teletypes. The problem was that we were getting to
close to the station and we were in a skip zone. I suggested to the
chief
that we try LF (low frequency). He didn't think it would work, but said
to
give it a try as everything else was out. On LF, the signal was
overpowering. In a few minutes, the broadcast was back up and running.

In both of these instances, it was the hams that had the proper
experience.

I shan't go much further than to say that one day whilst aboard ship, we
received an SOS on 500 KHz. It turns out that only *two* of us could
actually copy Morse at any reasonable speed. I don't know about the
other
guy, but I was an amateur extra and also had a commercial telegraph
license.
The military radioman were *supposed* to be able to copy 16 words per
minute
to graduate from A school.

Sorry to shoot your "professional" theory down. You aren't totally
wrong,
of course; it is what happens when the *unexpected* happens.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

My gosh, I never knew. It is nothing short of a miracle that the today's
active military forces can still attain any level of readiness, with you
and
Hans no longer on active duty.

73,

Sparky

Down at the legion hall, you see them daily, rear echelon typists and
cooks. After a few beers, they all turn into Green Berets and Navy
SEALS, with more medals than Audie Murphy and Chesty Puller
combined.
ROTFLMAO!

wrote:
From: "K4YZ (self-official Nett Kopp)" on Mon,May 9 2005 1:27 pm

wrote:

So...an anecdote from USN days...(SNIP)

Nothing about Amateur radio there.

Nothing about CAP...nothing about "SAREX," nothing
about Stebie at all!

Nothing still about Amateur Radio, I see...

Tsk, tsk, Stebie MUST make this thread HIS with
his immoderate MODERATION! :-)

Two things, perhaps three, come to mind here.

None of them about Amateur radio, I bet.

Nothing about Nursing...nothing about MARS on
Okinawa. Tsk.

And still nothing about Amateur Radio.

First of all, the HF military receivers of the 60s era...(SNIP)

Yep...I was right.

Let's all hear it for Stebie's famous "seven hostile
actions" and his LAW-GIVING on Somalian radio!

I've given no "law" on "Somalian" radio, and the rest...well...you
know about the rest...I love watching you get twisted, Lennie...Seems
you do it a lot thse days.

Whoa...got through a whole paragraph without using the words
"..in
the 1960's"...way to go Lennie! Think ya can make it to, say, 1973
anytime soon...?!?!

No problem. In 1973 I became a full member of IEEE
while working on design of the RF section of a 1.6
GHz transponder, part of the RCA Corporation SECANT
R&D program.

But what were you doing with AMATEUR RADIO in 1973?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...back to dissing anyone ELSE'S "story" as being
just that...a story...Now you'll give us YOUR version of a "true
story".

No "story" of mine. We are NOT talking about stebie's
"appointment as 'ANCOIC' of MARS on Okinawa in 1981."

Too bad. It's factual.

Jim Hampton was NOT talking about Stebie's stupendous
technical wizardry and wondrous adventures on Guam.
Disappointed? You should be. Imagine...a whole
thread without Stebie heckling and jeckling like a
crow in a cornfield.

And not a word from Lennie about Amatuer radio.

Dang I'm good!

At WHAT?!? Acting like an ###HOLE in public? Yes,
you do a credible job of that.

And the "professional" breaks out the big guns again.

Here we go with the "jump off the cliff" mode of why Amateur
radio
should be like Maritime or Armed Forces communications.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You've forgotten the "memorable"
snarlings of the (late?) W0EX in here on how
GMDSS would NEVER WORK!

I don't care about his ramblings about GMDSS.

I care about your deceit, mistruths and "snarlings" about a radio
service that you are not a participant in and have no practical
experience in.....

This forum is about A M A T E U R R A D I O....

Wishe we could get that across to ya, Lennie...

"Wishe?" :-) You "wishe-washe?"

Still doesn't change a thing, Lennie.

You're still an outsider looking in with no prctical experience.

Stebie needs to be reminded of something: This
newsgroup is NOT about the USMC, CAP, "SAREX"
whatevers, or being an "ANCOIC" on Okinawa in
the 1981s. It is NOT about "calling the VA to
get the real info on Stebie da wundermurine."
It is NOT about Stebie's "battles" with his
"opponents" and how "bad/wrong/ignorant" they
are. It is NOT about Stebie at all!

Well. Lennie...YOU are the only one who typically needs to bring up
the USMC. Brain's failed attempts at "dissing" my alleged overweight
status vis-a-vis my pic on QRZ is usually the only references to CAP.
and Okinawa only came up as a result of discussing MARS which IS a
Amateur Radio related topic.

None of those topics are ones in which YOU have any prctical
experience.

Not by a gutless punk like you, Lennie...At least I got the
wings!
Still got your "student pilot certificate" locked away with that
GROL
that you alleged expired...?!?!

"Gutless punk?!?"

Yep. G U T L E S S P U N K. As in "too afraid to take a test
that gradeschoolers can pass..."

You have "wings?" Gosh, we all thought you were
flapping your keyboard jaw in here...

Got wings. And the license and PRACTICAL EXPERINCE to back them
up.

I got my FIRST CLASS RADIOTELEPHONE (COMMERCIAL)
RADIO OPERATORS LICENSE in 1956 in the Chicago
field office of the FCC. Had Stebie been toilet
trained then? No? Tsk, he still needs that
training...

I doubt that I had...However that 1956 Commercial license still
isn't worth a hill of beans for Amateur Radio use.

The FCC turned the Commercial 'Phone classes into a
single General Radiotelephone Operator License many
years later. FCC also decreased the NECESSITY of
requiring any "GROL" for most NON-amateur radio
transmission. I keep my last COMMERCIAL license in
the safety-deposit box...hardly worth keeping now
except as a memento.

Ahhhhhhh yes...the infamous GROL. The one you claim "expired in
October
2000...BBBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A...
! ! ! ! ! !

Gee...All the other branches have "emergencies"...Maybe your
LACK
of "emergencies" was due to a lack of proximity to any danger...?!?!

Okay, Last Action Hero, let's all hear about the
When and Where of YOUR "seven hostile actions!"

Nope. Just to twist your nipples, Lennie.

Let's all hear about how you fought the enemy as
a mighty murine being aircraft ground support at
the airstrip! Get lots of wounds in that "front-
line" FIGHTING? How many medals for "heroism?"

I wasn't always "ground support", Lennie. Aircrewmen come from
maintenance MOS's, you know!

Tsk, tsk. All I got was a Good Conduct ribbon,
didn't even get the medal...and being stationed
in Tokyo, Japan. NOT front-line duty like mighty
murine Stebie.

Gee, Lennie...I got the USMC Good Conduct medal SEVERAL times...Got
the medal AND the ribbon AND the attaching stars to prove it.

Diss, diss, and more diss.

Poor Stebie. Thought the thread was HIS, had to
snarl and growl and heckle and jeckle his
"opponents."

You're not an "opponent", Lennie...

Good luck on your new appointment as U.S. Amateur
Radio Extra recruitment representative. Let's all
hope you get customers at your post office office
and NOT your picture on the posters at the post
office.

Speaking of "recruits", Lennie...You've been asked before how many
people YOU have "recruited" into electronics, Amateur Radio, etc
before, but have never answered the question.

Temper fry...

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote

callsigns are an admistrative tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Darn! For over 40 years I've been using mine as an operating and
identification
tool. Silly me!

They are that too, Hans...But no different than your telephone
number, Zip Code or ip address...

73

Steve, K4YZ

How can it be "They are that too, Hans...," if, "Nothing more, nothing
less," is true?

More lies? Ayup.

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" Hi, hi!!!

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