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K=D8HB wrote: "bb" wrote The ARRL may not be just about HF radio using Morse Code, but the Technicians think it is. I think that's probably a reasonably accurate statement. But why should they? Almost every aspect of ARRL policy and practice is focused on getting MORE people into Amateur Radio and USING those people in their programs, ie ARES. There's not one sentence, nay one letter in any ARRL policy or program that "disses" anyone because of their level of licensure. And it is what my PBI is intended to address --- putting ARRL back into "mainstreet amateur radio" where the Technicians live, and connecting with them in the activities that are relevant to them. ARES isn't? Special Services Clubs? They've accomodated NCT's at almost every turn...Even most of the League's long time awards have been adapated or modified in some form to accomodate them. I just don't see it. I didn't see it when I was a Novice. Nor when I was a Tech, General, Advanced or Extra. The ARRL is a NATIONAL organization. I think they do the best that they can to help promote Amateur Radio, and if they were to do anything more for the grass roots level, it would be with getting more air-time/print in national media. Several years ago we all got into a turn over how it seems like there are certain mindsets drawn to Amateur Radio...EMS-types, experimenters, "gadget freaks" and competitors. Instead of trying to "recruit" persons from other (most likely disinterested) demographics, why not just capitalize on the ones that seem to have a large drawing? EMS, Aviation, "orienteering" and outdoors types, engineering, etc. Steve, K4YZ |
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"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com... Almost every aspect of ARRL policy and practice is focused on getting MORE people into Amateur Radio.... My PBI isn't concerned with "getting more people into Amateur Radio". Instead of trying to "recruit" persons from other (most likely disinterested) demographics, why not just capitalize on the ones that seem to have a large drawing? My PBI has nothing to do with recruiting persons into Amateur Radio. It deals with a program aimed at putting ARRL back on mainstreet where is was when over 50% of "1 year Novices" were card carrying ARRL members. de Hans, K0HB |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Robert L. Giggles (Mrs.)" wrote in message groups.com... "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... The growth in numbers of Amateurs over the past decade has been overwhelmingly via the Technician license. This segment of the Amateur population does not seem highly attracted to ARRL membership, nor affiliate with the "national association" nature of ARRL. That's because most new hams can recognize a garden variety classic New England "mutual admiration society" of wannabe blue-bloods who's only reason for existence is to maintain their monuments to the past which nobody cares about anymore and to keep a magazine going which is composed of 80% advertising. The ARRL has fought and continues to fight to protect our spectrum, hardly the action of a "mutual admiration society". They might be able to do a better job if some of you non-members would get off YOUR high horses, join the group, and start working towards what you would like to see them doing. So long as you stay on the outside, they have no reason to represent you or your views. You obviously have not investigated their various classes for all levels of interest in areas of ham radio activity such as the many emergency courses, etc. It is all too apparent that you speak from preconceived notions and haven't bothered to get involved. You simply sit there on the outside and whine and complain. You want it to be different? Get in there and do the work to change it. Oh, that's too hard you say. Then you are just a parasite waiting for some one else to do the work so you can benefit without having contributed. Face it boys. the ARRL blew it BIG TIME when they had the chance to eliminate the dammed Code for HF way back in the early 1980's with the "Plain Language" rewrite of the amateur rules. Today most of the ham fossils who opposed this are either in their graves or waiting to expire and we're stuck with an obsolete hobby as a result. Do a better job of reading up on history. The ARRL had NO chance of eliminating the code in the 1980s as the US was signatory to an international treaty that mandated code for HF privileges. And, for what it is worth the code test will be gone for General sometime down the road. It isn't a matter of if, it is simply when at this point. ARRL's proposal recommends ending code and ONLY retaining a code test for Extra. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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From: "bb" on Wed,May 4 2005 4:13 pm
wrote: From: "K0HB" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm "bb" wrote The ARRL is about HF radio using Morse Code. Bull****. In the face of REALITY of years of published fact that Brian is right, I "hurl your opinion aside with great force!" Yup, everyone just got through saying that there's a problem attracting Technicians to the organization. No one seems to be able to put their finger on exactly why, only because they reject the -correct- answer (reminds me of the OJ case). And they still wring their hands and bite their knuckles and ask, "Why?" It's awful. Those olde-tymers just CAN'T understand why all the newcomers DON'T worship the olde-tymers' ideals of long ago. Hell, I'm OLDER than most of them and I STARTED on HF...but NOT doing a bit of "CW." :-) OK, I'll rephrase the answer. The ARRL may not be just about HF radio using Morse Code, but the Technicians think it is. Hi! Sheds a whole new light on the subject. How about that for fair play? Works for me. :-) Does definitely NOT work for those olde-tyme morsemen locked into the standards and practices of seven decades ago...they're still scratching their balding heads wondering why the rest of the radio world gave up on "CW." Well, they have their imaginary universes locked up in their heads. They seem to be happy in their status quondam... |
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wrote Does definitely NOT work for those olde-tyme morsemen locked into the standards and practices of seven decades ago...they're still scratching their balding heads wondering why the rest of the radio world gave up on "CW." Armenian judges gave it a 9.8 on the Olympic Troll-O-Meter, but they were over-ruled by the umpires in instant replay, who award it a 2.1. The Armenian judges lodged a formal protest! It was sufficiently trollish, of course, but way too obvious. It was poorly written, poorly executed, and was so incredibly lame as to lack the true drawing power of a really masterful troll. Maybe as high as a 2.3 for the sheer stupidity of the premise, but a 9.8? Never! The Armenian judges tear their hair out, throw their balalaikas down in dismay, and perform the traditional Armenian Dismay Chant! They demand a recount! Regards, Hans, K0HB Lord High Keeper of the Troll-O-Meter 0 2 4 6 8 10 \ \ \ \ \ \ TROLL-O-METER |
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Where is the PBI at now, Hans?
- Mike KB3EIA - |
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"Michael Coslo" wrote Where is the PBI at now, Hans? It's here and at QRZ.COM forum for open-comment. It's in the hands of W5JBP and the Dakota Division elected leadership for feedback. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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From: "Dee Flint" on Wed,May 4 2005 8:00 pm
"Robert L. Giggles (Mrs.)" wrote in message sgroups.com... "K=D8=88B" wrote in message ink.net... The growth in numbers of Amateurs over the past decade has been overwhelmingly via the Technician license. This segment of the Amateur population does not seem highly attracted to ARRL membership, nor affiliate with the "national association" nature of ARRL. That's because most new hams can recognize a garden variety classic New England "mutual admiration society" of wannabe blue-bloods who's only reason for existence is to maintain their monuments to the past which nobody cares about anymore and to keep a magazine going which is composed of 80% advertising. The ARRL has fought and continues to fight to protect our spectrum, hardly the action of a "mutual admiration society". Tsk, tsk, tsk..."protecting [your] spectrum"... The 40 meter issue then sounds like the "24 years war" in "fighting to protect" since it went UNresolved from 1979 to 2003... Look at 60 meters...ARRL "fought" to get FIVE CHANNELS? Dee, you did NOT address the main point: ARRL is NOT "representative" of the MAJORITY of licensed U.S. radio amateurs...by anyone's count, including the demographics published by the ARRL itself. They might be able to do a better job if some of you non-members would get off YOUR high horses, join the group, and start working towards what you would like to see them doing. Oh, my, the LECTURE on How To Behave again. Tsk. So long as you stay on the outside, they have no reason to represent you or your views. As long as the ARRL does LITTLE to attract Technician class licensees, it will REMAIN the "mutual admiration society" seen by SO many others. You obviously have not investigated their various classes for all levels of interest in areas of ham radio activity such as the many emergency courses, etc. Tsk, tsk, tsk. YOU "obviously" have not investigated what the ARRL is NOT doing for the largest group of licensed U.S. radio amateurs. Why else would there be such enmity by so many? Marie, are you saying that eating cake is BETTER for all than bread? [don't lose your head about that] It is all too apparent that you speak from preconceived notions and haven't bothered to get involved. Tsk, tsk, tsk. My "preconceived notions" are the result of about 55 years of observation, talking to many other radio amateurs, seeing/hearing what others have to say, etc., etc. There's NOTHING "preconceived" about the MASS opinion that EXISTS. You simply sit there on the outside and whine and complain. Shut them out if it disturbs your royalness. Can't have you Elitists getting all hot and huffy about the masses out there. You want it to be different? Get in there and do the work to change it. Oh, that's too hard you say. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you are getting a mite hostile. ARRL is IN CONTROL of what the ARRL DOES...and, by all the possible objective observation, the BoD acts like they are the Elite who Know What Is Good For All ...because that is what the BoD likes. Then you are just a parasite waiting for some one else to do the work so you can benefit without having contributed. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you ARE getting hostile! Ooops, I forgot...the Elite KNOW What Is Good For Everyone! All should OBEY the Elite... How does the Elitist position of the ARRL "encourage" anyone to enter amateur radio? Learn morse code?!? Dee...I was WORKING IN HF 52 years ago and NEVER had to know any morse code then, nor in all the years that followed in my engineering career. In EVERY other radio service in the USA, government included, morse code is GOING or was NEVER CONSIDERED for ANY communications. The ARRL still champions morse code as the "requirement" for "working below 30 MHz" as a radio amateur. Hello? Can you NOT recognize how OUTMODED the notion of "requiring" morse code testing as a "qualification" is? If you can't, then you have NO business of being so Elitist and Knowing What Is Good For All. Face it boys. the ARRL blew it BIG TIME when they had the chance to eliminate the dammed Code for HF way back in the early 1980's with the "Plain Language" rewrite of the amateur rules. Today most of the ham fossils who opposed this are either in their graves or waiting to expire and we're stuck with an obsolete hobby as a result. Do a better job of reading up on history. Dee, YOU "read up on history" and be sure to include all the recent documents from WRC-03. :-) The ARRL had NO chance of eliminating the code in the 1980s as the US was signatory to an international treaty that mandated code for HF privileges. That is SUCH crude nonsense that I almost want to use Hans' method of dealing with it...i.e., "hurling it aside with great force!" Hello, Dee, are you with the sentient beings again? Did you think the revision of S25 (almost entire) was "done by the ARRL" at Geneva in 2003?!? Dee, the ARRL got aced out in 2003 because of pressure mainly from their "buddies" at the IARU and the largely- extra-class-movers-and-shakers at No Code International. The ARRL OPPOSED almost ALL the revisions that made S25 MORE modern for the international community of radio amateurs. The revisions were done by VOTE...of the INTERNATIONAL radio community. Back two decades, the ARRL was OPPOSED to CHANGE. They did LITTLE if anything to effect change. WARCs didn't bring it up because the ARRL was "fighting" to preserve the status quo...to stop change anathema to the elders at the Newington admiration society. The International Amateur Radio Union finally got tired of that stick-in-the-mud, stick-it-up-somewhere attitude of the ARRL and began their OWN lobbying for changes in S25 about the year 2000. ARRL could have joined with the IARU to be a part of PROGRESSIVE LEADERSHIP. It did not. The ARRL continued its opposition for at least three years into this new millennium. They still can't take a positive position, remain in the ineffective We Know What Is Best For All vacillating state. The ARRL could have taken a position of MODERN LEADER- SHIP a decade ago. They could have pressured the administrations to change S25 THEN. They didn't do that. They haven't done that since. They've only promoted themselves, their products, and their olde-tyme members. The olde-tymers are pleased. THEY "know what is good for all" yet they don't. They don't understand that such Elitist tunnel-vision viewpoints do NOT attract newcomers, nor does it do any good for all but the olde-tymer minority. |
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From: "K=D8=88B" on Thurs,May 5 2005 9:44 am
wrote Armenian judges gave it a 9.8 on the Olympic Troll-O-Meter, but they were over-ruled by the umpires in instant replay, who award it a 2.1. The Armenian judges lodged a formal protest! I HURL YOUR "UMPIRES" ASIDE WITH GREAT FORCE... premise, but a 9.8? Never! The Armenian judges tear their hair out, throw their balalaikas down in dismay, and perform the traditional Armenian Dismay Chant! They demand a recount! CAN YOUR "UMPIRES" COUNT PAST SEVEN? Or do they need permission to stay up late? I didn't know you knew ANY Armenians. Lots and lots of them living here in bordering Glendale, CA. Don't know of any that have "balalaikas." Do you have a "balalaika" or are you just pulling your strings? Get a rag and wipe up all that condescension collecting on your pipes...makes you look all drippy... Lord High Keeper of the Sanity Clauses |
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wrote I HURL YOUR "UMPIRES" ASIDE WITH GREAT FORCE... Yawn |
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