K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Thurs,May 5 2005 6:51 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 4 2005 4:13 pm

wrote:
From: "K0HB" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm

etc

It's awful. Those olde-tymers just CAN'T understand
why all the newcomers DON'T worship the olde-tymers'
ideals of long ago.

Hell, I'm OLDER than most of them and I STARTED on
HF...but NOT doing a bit of "CW." :-)

And so they still search for the answer.

So far, all I see is RATIONALIZATION for the
alleged efficacy of morse code. LOTS and LOTS
of old-style BS that went invalid around 1950
or so.

So far the only two people I see beating anyone up over it is
you
and Brian. And no one is likely to want to talk to either of
you...in
ANY mode...

The rest of us moved on.

Hi!!!

Looks like Steve can't take any more of Steve-Style Abuse. Poor thing.

Wonder why he thinks the rest of us like it?

"Dee Flint" wrote


Have you noticed how the majority of participants in non-repeater VHF/UHF/and
up activities are NOT the Technicians.

The Northern Lights Radio Society here in Minnesota is an organization of
operators who are active in weak signal (SSB/CW) work on the VHF, UHF, and
Microwave bands. I'm sure your OM has heard of the club. A significant number
of the members are Technician licensees.

May be different where you live, but in this area the Technicians do a lions
share of the work in Skywarn, Grandmas Marathon, Twin Cities Marathon, and a
host of public service events. During disaster recovery (floods and tornados)
events they are major contributors of time and talent.

Contrary to common sentiment, they are extraordinarily engaged in the local ham
scene and not just "shack-on-a-belt-repeater-lizards" as some like to
characterize them.

The sooner ARRL membership has Technicians as members in numbers proportional to
their population, the sooner ARRL will truly represent the full spectrum of
amateur licensees. My PBI seeks to make that happen.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote


Have you noticed how the majority of participants in non-repeater
VHF/UHF/and up activities are NOT the Technicians.

The Northern Lights Radio Society here in Minnesota is an organization of
operators who are active in weak signal (SSB/CW) work on the VHF, UHF, and
Microwave bands. I'm sure your OM has heard of the club. A significant
number of the members are Technician licensees.


And half our members are Technicians also. And almost half our officers are
Technicians. We've been very successful in getting them engaged in the
club.

May be different where you live, but in this area the Technicians do a
lions share of the work in Skywarn, Grandmas Marathon, Twin Cities
Marathon, and a host of public service events. During disaster recovery
(floods and tornados) events they are major contributors of time and
talent.



As they do here.

Contrary to common sentiment, they are extraordinarily engaged in the
local ham scene and not just "shack-on-a-belt-repeater-lizards" as some
like to characterize them.


The Technicians here are also quite engaged in all the public service,
community, and club activities. What the participation seems to lag here is
in the wide range of on air activities.

The sooner ARRL membership has Technicians as members in numbers
proportional to their population, the sooner ARRL will truly represent the
full spectrum of amateur licensees. My PBI seeks to make that happen.


I thought that I had seen a statistic where close to half of the ARRL
membership were Technicians. If so, then it simply means that the Techs
need to get more involved on the management side to make things happen.
Afterall there is no reason that a Tech couldn't be President.

Perhaps if this PBI were more aimed at expanding the membership at all
levels it would be more fruitful. Very little change would be needed to
what you propose other than seeking out non-members of all classes.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

bb wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: "bb" on Thurs,May 5 2005 6:51 pm

wrote:
From: "bb" on Wed,May 4 2005 4:13 pm

wrote:
From: "K0HB" on Tues,May 3 2005 5:59 pm

etc

It's awful. Those olde-tymers just CAN'T understand
why all the newcomers DON'T worship the olde-tymers'
ideals of long ago.

Hell, I'm OLDER than most of them and I STARTED on
HF...but NOT doing a bit of "CW." :-)

And so they still search for the answer.

So far, all I see is RATIONALIZATION for the
alleged efficacy of morse code. LOTS and LOTS
of old-style BS that went invalid around 1950
or so.

So far the only two people I see beating anyone up over it is
you
and Brian. And no one is likely to want to talk to either of
you...in
ANY mode...

The rest of us moved on.
..
Looks like Steve can't take any more of Steve-Style Abuse. Poor
thing.

Wonder why he thinks the rest of us like it?

There's a small difference there, Brian.

When I make a mistake, I admit it.

When you ask for information (other than about non-radio aspects
of my military service), I tell you.

You, on the other hand, are a habitual liar. As is Leonard H.
Anderson.

It really is THAT simple.

Steve, K4YZ

Dee Flint wrote:



And half our members are Technicians also. And almost half our officers are
Technicians. We've been very successful in getting them engaged in the
club.


The Technicians have been kicked around by the 'higher class' licensees
or some time for some strange reason. There seems to be some elitists
attitude among some holding higher class licenses towards the Techs,
that they haven't quite attained the status of being a 'real ham' yet.
However, it seems that the Techs are doing one of the very things that
hams have long been noted for and helps justify our existance, that of
using ham radio for public service. They seem to be a class of folk who
aren't much interested in setting in front of an HF rig just to chat
with someone in the next state or country, but had much rather put their
energy into using ham radio to benefit others. Hooray for the Techs.

Dee Flint wrote:
"K=D8HB" wrote in message

.. . . .

The sooner ARRL membership has Technicians as members in numbers
proportional to their population, the sooner ARRL will truly
represent the
full spectrum of amateur licensees. My PBI seeks to make that
happen.


I thought that I had seen a statistic where close to half of the ARRL

membership were Technicians.

This thread was started by Hans who stated in so many words that Techs
are under-represented by the ARRL because they don't join in the
quantities other class licensees join that some changes need to be
made, etc., etc. ~Half the hams in this country are Techs. If, as you
state, half the Techs are also ARRL members then what's the point to
this whole thread?? Or is it me again?


If so, then it simply means that the Techs
need to get more involved on the management side to make things
happen.
Afterall there is no reason that a Tech couldn't be President.

Perhaps if this PBI were more aimed at expanding the membership at
all
levels it would be more fruitful. Very little change would be needed
to
what you propose other than seeking out non-members of all classes.
=20
73, de Hans, K0HB

=20
Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv

wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:

"Senior moment . . . "

This thread was started by Hans who stated in so many words that Techs
are under-represented by the ARRL because they don't join in the
quantities other class licensees join that some changes need to be
made, etc., etc. ~Half the hams in this country are Techs.

Change to:

If, as you state, *half the ARRL members are Techs* then what's the
point to this whole thread?? Or is it me again?

w3rv

From: "Dee Flint" on Sat,May 7 2005 5:08 am

"K=D8=88B" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote



Contrary to common sentiment, they are extraordinarily engaged in
the
local ham scene and not just "shack-on-a-belt-repeater-lizards" as
some
like to characterize them.

The Technicians here are also quite engaged in all the public service,

community, and club activities. What the participation seems to lag
here is
in the wide range of on air activities.

We can be sure some of your best friends are Technicians...

The sooner ARRL membership has Technicians as members in numbers
proportional to their population, the sooner ARRL will truly
represent the
full spectrum of amateur licensees. My PBI seeks to make that
happen.

I thought that I had seen a statistic where close to half of the ARRL
membership were Technicians.

Whose pipe smoke were you gazing at for that factoid?

The ARRL remains silent on demographics of its
membership. On the QST "Publisher's Sworn
Circulation Statement" [www.arrl.org/ads/circ.html]
page marked "last revised 17 March 2005," the
ARRL membership as of 31 December 2004 was 151,727.
The "individuals who are ARRL members" is given
as 138,127. Obvious discrepancy there. ARRL
does not clarify what seems to be a glaring error
in arithmetic...

That's about ALL that is given BY the ARRL on their
membership...or any other demographics.

According to www.hamdata.com, the total licensees
for U.S. radio amateurs was 733,080 on 7 May 2005.
Of those, 310,455 were Technician classes...which
works out to 42.35% of the total. If the ARRL
membership is really as high as 151,727 then that
represents only 20.70% of the total number of
licensed U.S. radio amateurs.

If so, then it simply means that the Techs
need to get more involved on the management side to make things
happen.

Long jump of a conclusion. Tsk, tsk. What
would your class say about that?

Afterall there is no reason that a Tech couldn't be President.

Quite true. The only requirement is that they
are natural-born citizens of the United States,
are at least 35 years old and been a resident of
the United States for at least 14 years.
- Article II, Section 1, Constitution of the
United States of America

Oh, you meant the ARRL? The ARRL laready has TWO
Presidents...Sumner and Haynie. Are you suggesting
they try for THREE? [incroyable...]


Perhaps if this PBI were more aimed at expanding the membership at all

levels it would be more fruitful. Very little change would be needed
to
what you propose other than seeking out non-members of all classes.

ARRL membership is dropping. [go look at older
BoD Membership reports] Dropping with essentially
NO change in their requirements. That is NOT good
for the League.

What is "seeking out non-members of all classes?"

First you say that "half the ARRL membership is
Technicians," then you want more attraction for
all classes? You aren't being clear in what you
are saying.

BTW, how DID the cake taste?

wrote

ARRL membership as of 31 December 2004 was 151,727.
The "individuals who are ARRL members" is given
as 138,127. Obvious discrepancy there. ARRL
does not clarify what seems to be a glaring error
in arithmetic...

No "discrepancy" exits; no "glaring error in arithmetic" exists.

QST circulation numbers will always be lower than ARRL membership numbers
because multi-member households recieve a single copy of QST.

Sunuvagun!

The ARRL laready has TWO Presidents...Sumner and Haynie.

Glaring error in arithmetic, Kindly Old Sir. There is only ONE President of
ARRL, Jim Haynie. Dave Sumner is Secretary and CEO.

Sunuvagun!

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB
--
The moving cursor prints, and having printed, blinks on.

From: "Dee Flint" on Sat,May 7 2005 5:08 am

"K=D8=88B" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote



Contrary to common sentiment, they are extraordinarily engaged in
the
local ham scene and not just "shack-on-a-belt-repeater-lizards" as
some
like to characterize them.

The Technicians here are also quite engaged in all the public service,

community, and club activities. What the participation seems to lag
here is
in the wide range of on air activities.

We can be sure some of your best friends are Technicians...

The sooner ARRL membership has Technicians as members in numbers
proportional to their population, the sooner ARRL will truly
represent the
full spectrum of amateur licensees. My PBI seeks to make that
happen.

I thought that I had seen a statistic where close to half of the ARRL
membership were Technicians.

Whose pipe smoke were you gazing at for that factoid?

The ARRL remains silent on demographics of its
membership. On the QST "Publisher's Sworn
Circulation Statement" [www.arrl.org/ads/circ.html]
page marked "last revised 17 March 2005," the
ARRL membership as of 31 December 2004 was 151,727.
The "individuals who are ARRL members" is given
as 138,127. Obvious discrepancy there. ARRL
does not clarify what seems to be a glaring error
in arithmetic...

That's about ALL that is given BY the ARRL on their
membership...or any other demographics.

According to www.hamdata.com, the total licensees
for U.S. radio amateurs was 733,080 on 7 May 2005.
Of those, 310,455 were Technician classes...which
works out to 42.35% of the total. If the ARRL
membership is really as high as 151,727 then that
represents only 20.70% of the total number of
licensed U.S. radio amateurs.

If so, then it simply means that the Techs
need to get more involved on the management side to make things
happen.

Long jump of a conclusion. Tsk, tsk. What
would your class say about that?

Afterall there is no reason that a Tech couldn't be President.

Quite true. The only requirement is that they
are natural-born citizens of the United States,
are at least 35 years old and been a resident of
the United States for at least 14 years.
- Article II, Section 1, Constitution of the
United States of America

Oh, you meant the ARRL? The ARRL laready has TWO
Presidents...Sumner and Haynie. Are you suggesting
they try for THREE? [incroyable...]


Perhaps if this PBI were more aimed at expanding the membership at all

levels it would be more fruitful. Very little change would be needed
to
what you propose other than seeking out non-members of all classes.

ARRL membership is dropping. [go look at older
BoD Membership reports] Dropping with essentially
NO change in their requirements. That is NOT good
for the League.

What is "seeking out non-members of all classes?"

First you say that "half the ARRL membership is
Technicians," then you want more attraction for
all classes? You aren't being clear in what you
are saying.

BTW, how DID the cake taste?