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wrote: This Memorial Day I'll do what I think on HONORING the veterans of the United States military. You will "honor" no one until you've published an unequivocal apology for your cowardly and snivveling attempts to use the sacrifices of others in order to embellish what was an unremarkable tour of duty in the Army. Such as: I will mention Cpl Elmer Hardy and Capt Jim Tomlinson, both gone suddenly on the 1st of July, 1950, both members of *MY* Signal Battalion (the one I served in). They were not members of "YOUR" signal batallion, Lennie. You were still in the States when they died. A civilian. I will HONOR them and the other 18 members of MY Battalion who lost their lives in the same crash in Korea...sent there from the "rear-area" of Japan by Gen MacArthur to improve communications after the North Koreans invaded South Korea. And you were STILL not a member of THEIR signal batallion. You were still in the States when they died. A civilian. Stebie is going to say I "dishonor" them by mentioning them. No, I do not state, nor have I EVER stated, that you dishonor them by "mentioning" them. What I DO state is that you try to embellish your own character with THEIR scarifices, just like you did in the foregoing three paragraphs. Just like I've been saying all along.... He has stated that before and that is just as damnably FALSE as anything he has ever babbled. Normally I would have told Stebie ("Mr. Seven Hostile Actions") to Go To Hell. He is already there. Scroom. "Hell" is where people who try to embellish their own meager "service" by trying to associate themselves with MEN who died three years earlier go, Lennie... Put on that NOMEX underwear, Lennie. You did it before...You did it today...Just like I said you had. Thanks for proving me right again... A respectful salute to you, Brian, as one veteran to another. At least Brian got a shot at some real live-fire service...(pun not intended) YOU are just the fire-and-brimstone service... LenIjustTriedToPolishUpMyrecordAgainAnderson@ieee. org Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Ralph wrote: Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home alive instead of in a bag. Steve, K4YZ People everywhere are lucky because others give blood and organ tissue. But Jim says he "served in other ways." What ways? . Give it a rest, old timer. I'm no old-timer. In ham years I'm a young pup. I've been licensed less than 20 years to prove it. What Steve (or any other person) did or did not do in service to this country is none of your business. Nobody owes you an answer to anything. Ordinarily, I would agree. However, Steve has demanded such information from myself and others. What I have done is placed his demands and his rules back on him. He squirms in his new role. It is probably just as well that Steve didn't bump into you at Dayton. You would have had to walk all the way back to your car to change your Relys. Welp, he was the one who set up the meeting. I didn't feel right about meeting up with a disabled veteran; apparently it was his long felt desire. But where the rubber meets the road, he got a flat. |
wrote: From: "bb" on Sat,May 21 2005 5:04 pm wrote: wrote: For years and years the ARRL has emphasized morsemanship over and above all other skills in amateur radio. How, Len? Let's look at some examples... Policy: In 1953, when the FCC opened all amateur operating privileges to all US radio amateurs except Novices and Technicians, ARRL did not try to require more code testing for full privileges. Their very, very last effort at leadership. Fifty two years ago. HALF A FRIGGIN LIFETIME AGO FOR RADIO EXPERIMENTORS!!! Idiot! Jimmie was THERE...in his heart. :-) He may have lusted in his heart, but he is no peanut farmer. Gosh and gee-whilikers...in 1953 I was doing HF communications while in the U.S. Army and didn't have to know a thing about morse code. Reason is probably that NONE of the three dozen high power transmitters at one station (only the 3rd largest in the Army network) used any morse code. NONE of the personnel at that station were required to know morse code to operate all those transmitters (minimum 1 KW RF out, maximum 15 KW but later increased to 40 KW). HF bands, 24/7 operations, nearly a quarter million messages handled each month. Hey, you went through the IGY57/58. Did you notice anything unusual about the propagation? In 1963, in its original "incentive licensing" proposal to FCC, ARRL proposed that full privileges be available only to Advanced and Extra licensees, and that the Advanced be reopened to new issues. This meant that full priviliges would require more written testing but not more code testing. I advocate that full privs be established for 90WPM tested amateurs. Got any??? Privs for those not able to achieve 90WPM will be reassigned to the BPL bands. Idiot! As Jimmie Noserve likes to put it, "that's simply 'untrue'." :-) Brian, you have to understand that Jimmie is the Compleat (amateur) Manchurian Candidate. Fully brainwashed into thinking that the ARRL is the holy grail of "truth" and all good works. These clowns have no problem denying amateur privs to people who cannot attain 5, 13, or 20wpm rates. I wish to set the bar higher than they can attain and deny privs to them. That is all. In 1990, ARRL supported the creation of a nocodetest amateur radio license. Why not 1987??? Idiot! Where was the ARRL's leadership when the FCC made the "Novice Enhancement?" Why did the FCC have to go it alone without the ARRL's """Leadership???""" Extra-wipe! Idiot! I guess "Extra-wipe" was a bit strong. So sorry. Jimmie is WRONG BY OMISSION. According to all the documents PRIOR to the final decision on FCC 90-53, the ARRL was AGAINST that. The ARRL only supported the final R&O on the creation of the no-code-test Technician class AFTER THE FACT. History Prof Jim is a revisionist. Jimmie just can't bring himself to admit that many OTHER parties were trying to cancel the code test PRIOR to 1990. Some time spent in the FCC Reading Room of the correspondence PRIOR to 1990 will show enough support for No-Code-Test that the FCC was lobbied into the 90-53 issuance. Oh, please. You know how these guys are about documentation. Long on demands, short on product. Once the NO-CODE-TEST Technician class was established, the ARRL had no other choice to "support" it...it would have been politically destructive to the League to oppose it AFTER THE FACT. The train was leaving the station. Toot-toot. They had to jump aboard or get left behind. Jimmie wants to OMIT certain details to show that the ARRL is in the "leadership." It isn't. The ARRL still hasn't gotten a membership larger than a quarter of all licensed U.S. radio amateurs. Not only that, but the FCC doesn't appear to be looking at the ARRL in any leadership capacity. The FASTEST GROWING CLASS in U.S. amateur radio - since 1991 - is that very same NO-CODE-TEST Technician class. NO OTHER class has grown so large, so quickly, in the history of amateur radio as regulated by the FCC since 1934. Don't confuse them with the facts Jimmie is going to trot out his outworn cliches' and other statements (nearly all sinning by omission of details) and state "that is simply wrong." :-) He can't think for himself anymore in amateur radio matters, apparently. He is one of the number-one bunting putter-upper and flag waver for the League. The ARRL can do NO wrong in his eyes. Ask him how far it is to the moon. Hi! N2EY is so full of EXTRA excrement that I just can't allow the rest of his original post to be quoted. You offend thinking people unlike any "off color" callsign that you would care to strike. In my view, Jimmie is so brainwashed that he can't help himself. He, like Stebie da Avenging Angle of Dearth, is into such a fantasy that Jimmie really thinks what he writes is "truth" and anything contrary is "untrue." Jimmie just can't conceive of his words being in error, therefore he speaks "truth." Ever since I pointed out that his comment "A morse code exam would be a barrier to morse code use" was exactly our point, he's gotten Extra defensive and ultra-sensitive. As to the "off-color callsign" (Kim's vanity call), that's just his personal morality thing. It's almost like he took Vows and was ordained a Priest in the Holy Orders of the Church of St. Hiram...of the Latter-Day Radio Saints? Or was it Former-Day Radio Saints? Must be that for his wanting to cite all those "leadership" actions happening during and before he was born. Another amateur "role-model" to emulate on seeking the "highest goals" in amateur radio...complete Nirvana in morsemanship. Ho hum. I especially like his vision of an active amateur radio service during WWII. Hi! What a vision! What a revision!!! bb |
K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:29 am The Reluctant Marine! Figures. Even reluctant people serve. So how did Jim serve in other way? Tsk. Stebie was GROUND crew. Steve was an Avionics Technician. MOS's 6612, 6616 and 6323. (And B-Billet 8981...) Care to figure out from what MOS's (among others...) the USMC get's it's Enlisted Aircrews, Lennie? Are those "box-kicking" MOS's? You don't "give" me anything. My service is not up for your approval. Nor mine. I went where I was assigned. Anyone can see where at: Both of your service's ARE "up for approval"...You put it there. You certainly take liberties with "approving" mine. Nope. You've continually denigrated my service and Len's with REMF and box-kicker descriptions. Some of my colleagues weren't so lucky. That bloodmobile donation you just made fun of was their ticket home alive instead of in a bag. "Colleagues?!?" GROUND crew wre exposed to "hostile fire?" If you think that my "maintenance" MOS meant I never left the ground, you've once again demonstrated your complete and utter lack of knowledge and experience on yet another topic, Lennie. Test flight mike? |
wrote: From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:13 am K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have had a clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service". Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the military still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East." Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?! I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services. No, you're not I must be. I volunteered. I kept volunteering. No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck. Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them back? He probably sent them all to the ARRL Truss Fund. :-) I wonder if Stebie has bothered to study recent USA history? He left out FOUR Presidents who served in the military since FDR...and I'm not counting Dubya. He's not too bright. He thought he was heading somewhere with that. You quite obviously have a problem with the society that the Constitution you alleged to support and defend provides. How so? Somebody ought to break the news to Stebie, might as well be me... STEBIE, NOW HEAR THIS... NO CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES ACKNOWLEDGES YOU AS EMPEROR, LEADER, PLENTY-POTENT-ATE, OR EVEN "ANCOIC" OF ANYONE ELSE. CLIK Poor fella thinks the Constitution of the USA has some kind of paragraph saying "everyone has to abide by this wanna-be Dill Sergeant (with the pursed, pickled lips and sour disposition). He needs to be ignored. His shrillness level will go up until he is able to break glass. Tell Jim to let us know how it's going when he gets there. You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Yep. However there's no "enemies" of the Constitution here... So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here? Sorry, Brian, Stebie IS the Constitution! Hi, hi! I guess he thought he was going somewhere with that and for a split-second I thought he might be going somewhere with it, too. But I was wrong. You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off on a new rant tangent. Looks like an internal battle among his personalities...one shouted out of turn... I'd love to watch him do drill, calling out commands to the other hims. Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who live their lives within that same Constitution. Explain. No explanation is necessary. Your on-going support of Lennie's cowardly "Jimmie Noserve"'s rants is evidence enough. You're Quitevague about your newest accusations. Please be more specific. Tsk. Stebie IS the Constitution! :-) Saying anything against Stebie is Sedition, Treason Against The State!!! Flat tire. Hey, while you're at it, why don't you produce authentic documentation of your alleged "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa. Right after we get some of the information we've been asking YOU for for YEARS... So then, you really are a liar. You're the very thing you claim of everyone else. Ah, not quite from Stebie's point of view. In his distorted view Stebie is "always truthful" but everyone who doesn't like him is a "LIAR," "deceitful," "hates ham radio," and/or has underarm odor. I see Steve for what he is. Impotent and angry. So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just some words you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that way. I'm offended that Jim claimed "service in other ways." What other ways? Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting question when YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for YEARS, Brain? Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others. Tsk, now Jimmie Noserve is going to be furious! Jimmie "NEVER" "insults" anyone...all he does is "point out mistakes" that "others do." :-) The record states otherwise. Jim can be just as abusive as his henchmen. (Rhetorical question...we know the answer...you're a coward...) Hi, hi! That's rich coming from the guy who couldn't make Dayton to see me. Seven hostile actions? Hi! Tsk. Readers are still unaware of Stebie's mighty warrior acts WHEN and WHERE of those "seven hostile actions!" They apparently haven't seen his stated desires to see me at Dayton. Maybe they were "special ops" and veddy, veddy "secret" that Stebie can't reveal? :-) [gosh, maybe we can hear one of his "HALO Drop" stories?] Impotent and angry. So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert? He would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck. Jimmie is "serving in other ways" by defending the Constitution of the ARRL...against all enemies, especially the domestic no-coders. Plus he is probably training for another marathon, another "service for his country." Hi, hi! Jim is delicate, gets frustrated when his fascade fades. That and keeping his Time Machine running so he can jump back to times when Kode was King in raddio. "Important national service," you bet! :-) insert eight lines of all-caps hyena laghter here I especially like his trips down memory lane where we had an active amateur radio service during WWII. |
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"bb" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: From: "bb" on Sun,May 22 2005 8:13 am K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: bb wrote: K4YZ wrote: The last five Presidents of the United States seem to have had a clear vision of volunteerism...and also about "service". Indeed. Jim could have volunteered to serve in the Unites States Military. He had other more important things to do like pursue a degree in engineering, and looking out for himself. And the military still needs engineers, even if they are civilians. Go to WWW.USAJOBS.OPM.GOV and select "Middle East." Guess they shudda consulted with you two first, eh...?!?! I'm good with volunteerism in the U.S. armed services. No, you're not I must be. I volunteered. I kept volunteering. No...you keep "volunteering" to collect a paycheck. Hi! I suppose you wrote "VOID" across your paychecks and sent them back? He probably sent them all to the ARRL Truss Fund. :-) I wonder if Stebie has bothered to study recent USA history? He left out FOUR Presidents who served in the military since FDR...and I'm not counting Dubya. He's not too bright. He thought he was heading somewhere with that. You quite obviously have a problem with the society that the Constitution you alleged to support and defend provides. How so? Somebody ought to break the news to Stebie, might as well be me... STEBIE, NOW HEAR THIS... NO CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES ACKNOWLEDGES YOU AS EMPEROR, LEADER, PLENTY-POTENT-ATE, OR EVEN "ANCOIC" OF ANYONE ELSE. CLIK Poor fella thinks the Constitution of the USA has some kind of paragraph saying "everyone has to abide by this wanna-be Dill Sergeant (with the pursed, pickled lips and sour disposition). He needs to be ignored. His shrillness level will go up until he is able to break glass. Tell Jim to let us know how it's going when he gets there. You swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Yep. However there's no "enemies" of the Constitution here... So why are you bringing up the defense of the Constitution here? Sorry, Brian, Stebie IS the Constitution! Hi, hi! I guess he thought he was going somewhere with that and for a split-second I thought he might be going somewhere with it, too. But I was wrong. You really ought to get your stuff in one sock before starting off on a new rant tangent. Looks like an internal battle among his personalities...one shouted out of turn... I'd love to watch him do drill, calling out commands to the other hims. Obviously you have a problem, however, with people who live their lives within that same Constitution. Explain. No explanation is necessary. Your on-going support of Lennie's cowardly "Jimmie Noserve"'s rants is evidence enough. You're Quitevague about your newest accusations. Please be more specific. Tsk. Stebie IS the Constitution! :-) Saying anything against Stebie is Sedition, Treason Against The State!!! Flat tire. Hey, while you're at it, why don't you produce authentic documentation of your alleged "A" NCOIC MARS/Okinawa. Right after we get some of the information we've been asking YOU for for YEARS... So then, you really are a liar. You're the very thing you claim of everyone else. Ah, not quite from Stebie's point of view. In his distorted view Stebie is "always truthful" but everyone who doesn't like him is a "LIAR," "deceitful," "hates ham radio," and/or has underarm odor. I see Steve for what he is. Impotent and angry. So...was your Oath as a member of the Armed Forces just some words you recited in order to get a federal job? Sure looks that way. I'm offended that Jim claimed "service in other ways." What other ways? Why would you expect Jim to answer such an insulting question when YOU have overtly refused to answer questions he's put to you for YEARS, Brain? Why wouldn't he? He has no problem insulting others. Tsk, now Jimmie Noserve is going to be furious! Jimmie "NEVER" "insults" anyone...all he does is "point out mistakes" that "others do." :-) The record states otherwise. Jim can be just as abusive as his henchmen. (Rhetorical question...we know the answer...you're a coward...) Hi, hi! That's rich coming from the guy who couldn't make Dayton to see me. Seven hostile actions? Hi! Tsk. Readers are still unaware of Stebie's mighty warrior acts WHEN and WHERE of those "seven hostile actions!" They apparently haven't seen his stated desires to see me at Dayton. Maybe they were "special ops" and veddy, veddy "secret" that Stebie can't reveal? :-) [gosh, maybe we can hear one of his "HALO Drop" stories?] Impotent and angry. So is Jim checking out the governments needs over in the desert? He would be drawing a nice, tax-free paycheck. Jimmie is "serving in other ways" by defending the Constitution of the ARRL...against all enemies, especially the domestic no-coders. Plus he is probably training for another marathon, another "service for his country." Hi, hi! Jim is delicate, gets frustrated when his fascade fades. That and keeping his Time Machine running so he can jump back to times when Kode was King in raddio. "Important national service," you bet! :-) insert eight lines of all-caps hyena laghter here I especially like his trips down memory lane where we had an active amateur radio service during WWII. ==================== facade: n 1. the front part of a building, especially an imposing one. 2. a false or superficial appearance. |
From: on Mon,May 23 2005 3:57 am
"who can't argue a subject for squat and does the personal insult thing in order to "win an argument." " Oh, oh! Reverend Jim issued a Sermon On The Antenna Mount! :-) Not only that, the poor guy is still furious over NOT "winning" a newsgroup argument THREE YEARS AGO! :-) Not only that, the "argument" wasn't even about RADIO! Hello? This newsgroup is about AMATEUR RADIO POLICY. Military and international socio-political politics are another group. "RADIO" includes all of the HF portion of the EM spectrum. That's where the major international communications networks WERE in the 1950s. I was part of that - for three years - as a volunteer in the United States Army...operating HF transmitters for an Army station. A "small" station, only the third largest in the worldwide Army net at the time, just 36 transmitters ranging from 1 to 15 KW in 1953 (43, up to 40 KW in 1956) and none of them using OOK CW modes. That station was located in Japan, specifically a few miles outside of Tokyo. 24/7 ops attached directly to the Far East Command Headquarters, then in Tokyo...continuous links to Seoul, Pusan, Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco plus local HF nets all throughout the Kanto Plain of Honshu Island. In early 1953 there was still a state of War between the United Nations and North Korea although a truce was imminent (that would settle into a "permanent" Truce in July, 1953). I had voluntarily enlisted in the Army on 13 March 1952...when there was still active warfare in Korea. My assignment to the Far East was ordered by the Army and not subject to my approval or disapproval...one goes where assigned or one goes where the penitentiary is (after a court martial). Army duty required a continuous practice on soldiering skills regardless of one's military occupation specialty. In addition to that, there were continuing updates on emergency and contingency plans plus operational tests of same. Note the location of Japan to the easternmost parts of the USSR, then an adversary in the "Cold War." The USSR then possessed the atomic bomb. Since I was in the Signal Corps and working on/with radio communications, my unit was NOT briefed on the overall military capabilities of the Soviet Union to the detail outlined in the Janes books. We had one simple directive in the case of military conflict: "Close with, and destroy the enemy." We were all reminded of that in the regular training sessions of Provisional Infantry Platoon ("PIP") practice, along with "you are soldiers FIRST and signalmen second." We were NOT given any of the movie-style practice on identifying Soviet aircraft from little models or silouettes...nor were we instructed in operation of anti-aircraft defense (there were other units for that purpose). While all that was going on, station ADA kept on 24/7 operations at a rate of nearly a quarter million messages a month through its facilities...thousands of miles from the United States of America. Was FEC Hq "in danger" from its "rear-area location?" Depends on what you "4F" types want to call "danger" from your safe locations in the states. Now, did I make a "mistake" on calling out Soviet "Bear" bomber types in 1953? Yes. In the 49 years from 1953 to 2002 (date of your target "example" message) I've seen a LOT of statistics and information on Soviet military power. If I needed to be SPECIFIC, then I would go look up the EXACT thing. But...Soviet aircraft was NOT in my "line of work" in 1953 to 1956. Radio was. HF radio...and VHF, UHF, and microwave radio. RADIO, Jimmie. RADIOS that must operate 24/7, "getting the message through." I made NO "mistakes" there. You want to sit safe at your computer and scoff and scoff and show how "expert" you are in military and political matters...and NEVER having served in any government post or military in REAL SERVICE for your country. You want to "tell me how it is" in the military without wearing a uniform, taking any induction oath, or being shipped out of the country to some foreign base. You want to attempt humiliation all because you are still "suffering" from not winning some "message battle" years ago. Poor baby. Jimmie boy, there's NO indication that you EVER worked IN radio...or in aerospace...and you want to be an "expert guru type" on that. You've not worked AT the FCC, you've not worked AT the ARRL, you are NOT in the judiciary, yet you try to speak as if you were all of that. All you seem to have is long "tenure" in amateur radio NEWSGROUP MESSAGING. Hours and hours and hours of that. More than I have. On Memorial Day you WILL be remembered. We veterans all remember the anti-military civilians who like to spit on military people one way or another, SAFE in their un- touched communities expressing contempt for anyone who has served via the Internet. Amateur radio is a hobby activity carried on for the purpose of personal enjoyment. It is, in part, a technological endeavor involving the laws of physics, regulated by the government because ALL radio works by those same physical laws. Amateur radio is NOT a fifth branch of the armed forces. Ham operators are NOT "serving their country" any more than stamp collectors or bird watchers or other hobbyists. Try to keep from translating your amateur radio license form into a DD-214. Here's my "salute" to you, Jimmie Noserve, on this upcoming Memorial Day: middle finger upraised Temper fry... ex-RA16408336, USA, Signal Corps (1952-1956) |
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